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absoluteSuccess:
Baba, the teaching of Christ is one, the doctrine of the church is another. if you have an institution founded and you just step aside for a while, by the time you leave and come back, you will not recognize what you have left behind with men and "improvements" that would have happened to your teaching in the hand of "learned men".

None of these people created the universe, how do they understand interplanetry transportations this much because of the death of Christ? If what we are to get from the Jew, according to Christ is salvation, at what point does "rapture" becomes "salvation"? mind you, "the kingdom of God" that Christ was preaching on his own after baptism is the salvation that he's talking about. Salvation is salvation.

Salvation is not rapture.

Salvation is the hope of the fathers of faith and the promise of God for mankind. That's exactly what Christ came to redeem. if we can base our faith in Christ on salvation as "promised" (through prophets) before "redemption"(through Christ), we will look into the prophets (promises) to accept the doctrine of our redemption (Christ), or else we are simply creating "religion" after our passion.

for instant, if you go back to the passage of the trinity, you have something like, "there are three that beareth record in heaven, the father the son and the spirit" Okay, that said. But to whom do they bear this records, who is, (or are) their witness(es) and why are they bearing this records? You can't mystify God as much as you can't describe God. let Him be God alone.

Then, why is it important that we know they are bearing records?

Now immediately after that was said, another line follows where we have people bearing record "in" the earth, the blood, the water and the spirit. If the first set of record bearer parallel with the second set of record bearers, and we were told about this too in no clear terms the contents of their records and the purpose of our knowing these details, then its "the ultimate creation of mystery", and then the final evidence of a parallel universe.

since that's not what "christendom" intended to push, we then have this mystery as "Trinity". So its not God-made trinity but man-made doctrine mystified by that bible passage. Now before we can actually do justice to this, we both have to start off from the same launchpad, that possibly in the oldest christian manuscript, this passage does not exist. If it does, it means there's an enclave outside the earth like the heaven where God is, the universe is just two planets, heaven and earth, from this analogy, with parallel divinity.

Trinity: Enter Islam

From this mystification of deity, we (christendom) are the ones who created "Islam". What the church fathers tried to settle (Arianism) at the convention of Nicaea returned back as "Islam" much later from Arabia, this time around with bloody prosecution of faith and vengeance till this day. Let God be God, let Christ be Christ. Let the Spirit of God be the Spirit of God, but we said no, they are one but three.

Let's say the bible said we will be all caught up in the sky, how many old manuscripts have we checked to validate this was the position of the church at the onset of time? how many disciples of Christ hold this belief as what Christ taught his disciples and how many times did Christ preached this as sermon and prayed about it?

Is rapture the "salvation package" that God have for mankind? So, the prophets does not matter, only the word of Paul will do. That's creating an imaginary universe and telling God to do as you wish. We can only think as men, we cannot think for God with our limitations.

1 i) Please kindly explain John 8:42, John 16:27-28, John 15:26
ii) And convincingly tell me how its different from Trinity.

2) i)When Jesus says "one shall be taken and the other left" what does it mean?
ii) When Paul says "and we shall be caught up to be with him in the air". What does that mean?
iii) How is that different from the Rapture?


Fyi, I never said Rapture means salvation.
Salvation is the redemption of the soul from sin.

CANNABIS IS VERY MEDICINAL AND THE SOLUTION TO MANY HEALTH ISSUES PEOPLE ARE SPENDING MILLIONS IN HOSPITAL FOR.

FDA CATEGORIZING AND BANNING CANNABIS SATIVA WITH OTHER SYNTHETIC DRUGS IS CRIMINAL PHARMACOLOGICAL/POLITICAL INTEREST.

Nigerians should better get educated. OTHER NATIONS WE COPIED HAVE ALREADY LIFTED THE BAN.

Simdyofficial:
Weed should be legal with control

Most people calling it weed is one of the reasons the medical benefits of Cannabiz has not been disseminated properly to the population.

A sexually immoral god or prophet tempting people with sexual rewards.

Muslims run out of Islam. It's a promise of a false heaven that doesn't exist.

Handsomejok:
I had done everything for the marriage to work but all my effort were in vain because my wife refused to amend which she had made it clear to me that after our first separation she did came back to me because she had nowhere to stay with the children and I keep having reccuring dreams of her wanting me dead since she is not ready to work on the marriage and I had decided to put an end to the marriage for the sake of our children I will not send her packing neither will I take custody of the children I will let her and the children to stay in the rented house and I will move out of the house and I will be sending upkeep money 15k every month I hope I had made a good decision for my own sanity ?

If you can come to the Lord's Chosen Church at Ijesha and receive prayers from GOD's anointed servant then the situation will change.

So many broken marriages and problems God has intervened when they came to the Lord's Chosen Church.

So whether it's a spiritual or physical problem, God of Chosen(Jesus) is up to the task.

Athena6:
Last week I created a thread talking about how my japa plans have been crushed due to the increase in dollar.

Many adviced me to invest in dollar, this was the advice they gave me months ago but I did follow through because I wasn't sure.
My last thread hit front page and 90% of the comments were advising me to invest in dollars, one even quoted that in the past 10 years, the dollar haven't fallen but it increases every year.

One even called me a weak minded person and I am scared to take risks.
After everything I thought to myself, since so many people felt this dollar will keep on rising, maybe I should invest afterall life is all about risks.

Well guess what, dollar have decreased, I invested 3M in buying dollars and now in today exchange rate. I have 2.6M now and I either cash out now or hope it will increase.

Right now, I am very angry.
Those giving me advice should come and contribute the 400k for me o

Another thing, do you think the dollar will increase or should I just cut my loses.
I am so tired 😫

Who told you dollar is rising. Hahahaha.
It's crashing gradually. And Biden is inflating and spending carelessly. When the Dollar crashes or bubble bursts it will be sudden. And alll currencies pegged to dollar will be worthless.
Go for gold and silver.

let him come to The Lord's Chosen where anointed Serant of God will pray for him and he will be healed.
What doctors cannot do, God of Chosen has done countless times.

absoluteSuccess:
Rapture, in layman's language is when two people are in farm, and one man is taken, and the other is not, at the sound of the trumpet of the archangel.

That "taken" like it was in the case of Enoch, is "rapture" in the personal sense of the word to whom it is pertained.

Recall, Christ was not raptured. He went into the sky in his resurrected body to heaven.

Christian "rapture" is mass movement of faithful Christians to heaven. It has not yet been, so we can't say it's like what we have read of.

You said it's not biblicaland it was forged by a group of Clergymen.
But there you are, using the words of Jesus "one taken and the other left".

Well, I'm glad to inform you it's not only Jesus who spoke about it. Paul spoke two times about it with clear description. And John insinuated it by talking about the wedding of the Bridegroom taking place before Jesus Second coming to Earth to stop the Antichrist. Revelation 19:7-9

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 '15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

1 Corinthians 15:51 "51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

There is no word called RAPTURE therein. But it is strongly expressed. So is "TRINITY"

absoluteSuccess:
The last passage of the book of revelation said it all. Moreso, RAPTURE is less than 300 years.

But the concept of rapture itself is Hellenistic infusion into Christian doctrine by early church fathers.

It's ultimately from Plato, dear brother. The early church fathers interpreted the Christian canon from platonic philosophy, from where we came about rapture in it's pristine form.

Right after the destruction of Jerusalem and at the end of the era of the Apostles of Christ, the headquarters of Christian faith moved from Jerusalem to Alexandria, Egypt, the citadel of learning all over the world at this phase in time.

There's were you have the fertile imagination of great teachers and ecumenical processes going on, and you must have heard of St Augustus of Hippo and so on and so forth, these are examples of church fathers.

How did they tried to explain Christianity philosophically? That explains partly what shaped some of the things we believed.

What does the Rapture mean? Can you define it

absoluteSuccess:
Thanks for your feedback, I'm not a witness, I'm a Christian with no sentimental attachment to any dogma, I don't want to justify any doctrine or dogma, let's just see how some of the claims we make today really evolved.

Just try and read up on the argument that led to Trinity. So also, keep an open mind and do not invent a word to simplify the doctrines, let the word of God comes to you as you have it in the scripture.

You can read up on church history for this.

You mean read up on Church history for the truth about Trinity?

But it is sufficiently expressed in the Bible already, only that the terminology Trinity isn't there.
Just as the word "THE RAPTURE" isn't in the Bible. But we all know it's severally expressed there.

absoluteSuccess:
Very true, they pushed the early Christians to the catacombs, prisonyards, arenas, not until their emperor, Constantine eventually succumbed to Christianity when he had a dream in which he saw a flaming sword in Cross form and a voice said "in this, conquer".

I think the Christendom owes the adoption of symbolism of the cross to this man, and to subvert arianism, the Trinity at the convention of Nicai. It's this line that resonates with the claim that the Bible is tampered with, the Jehovah witnesses resolves this complications in Christianity.

The almighty Rome equally succumbed to the Vandals who ultimately overran her empire afterwards.

As a non-member of Jehovah witness I think we will disagree on many matters. But on the foundation of Islam and Roman Catholism we seem to agree.

Trinity is expressed in the Bible. Just as Rapture is also expressed. The terminologies were later coined to give the expression a name.

Trinity simply means Jesus and the Holyghost are inside God and came out from him. Just as your Soul and Spirit comes out from your body.

John 8:42 "I proceeded forth and came from God"

John 16:27-28 "I came out from God neither came I of myself, but he sent me'

John 15:26 '....even the spirit of Truth which proceeded forth from the Father'.

Matthew 28:19 "Baptise all men in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holyghost.

John 1:1 "The Word was with God and was God
All things were made by him".

There is also 1 John 5:7 KJV but that is controversial because many translations removed it from the Bible. But they didn't know to remove John 8;42, John 16:27-28, John 15:26

I hope this can make front-page. Seun

TenQ you're doing well.

absoluteSuccess:
The true Palestinians were the original Philistines of the Bible. They were seafarers. The people of that time have moved countless times like the entire people of this same region, including the Israelites of the northern kingdom that the Persians completely removed and scattered, planting another people in their stead 720bce.

Then the little stump of Judah, comprising of Jerusalem and Lachish was taken to captivity by the Babylonians much later. The Muslim interest in Jerusalem was after the first caliphate Uthman captured what is left of Jerusalem in the 6th century AD.

Lands don't move, people do and they can always retrace their steps homeward. Quran was collated much after the prophet of Islam like you have rightly said. Palestine was how Roman choosed to call Israel to obliterate the stubborn Jewish nationalism of the Roman age, which ultimately led to the final destruction of the nation of Israel 72 AD.

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Romans* the same empire that subverted Christianity because they could not completely stop Christianity through genocide and persecution. John 11:48, acts 8:4

absoluteSuccess:
Are you a Muslim?

Can you stomach this as an Arab man who heard something like this, prior to Islam?

The reason for my question is this: Allah never spoke before the advent of Islam, how then did he became ruthless against the Jewry all of a sudden?

The Arab and the Jewry lived as close neighbors without any ranour or strive, the bani kurayza and two other tribes lived in Medina long before the Hegira.

I think if you want to punish someone for killing the prophet, you first have to agree that the prophet truly died, why punish Jews when you know Isa was not killed?

Lol I actually sounded like muslim.
I'm a Christian.

Majority of the masses don't know that almost all Muslims support Israel's removal from the land/Jerusalem or destruction because of Islam.

That's why all the Arab media automatically go into LIE MODE to defend Hamas and defame Israel. .

Actually, the writer of the Quran was Mohammed or one of his Companions. Who claimed that the Quran was given to him by Angel Gabriel in a cave.

huptin:
Keep deceiving yourself, go and establish a mosque in China first. Then try India, Japan, poland etc.

The prophecy you quoted happened about 2000 years ago when the Romans surrounded Jerusalem and burnt it to the ground by the way.

So if it has been fulfilled, why is Israel still compassed about enemies seeking to destroy her, and threatening world war.

So where is this part in the prophesy?
Or what is happening now is not in the Bible?

Exceed15:
This is what Hamas have brought upon them . Stop shielding terrorist.

The destruction of Israel is a responsibility bestowed by Allah on the Muslims.

Not only does Allah claim he has disowned and cursed Israel for killing their prophets but also prophesies that in the end the Muslims will eliminate all the Jews in the return of Mahdi.

...the tree will say to the muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.

Cc: Absolutesuccess

huptin:
Israel is overrated, but it will take the unified Arab nations to bring it down? What an irony. So if the Arab nations unify to bring it down, other nations will stand akimbo and watch?

You guys have no capacity to think. Let me tell you the truth, there are many jews scattered all over europe and America, if all arab nations try nonsense, then the whole world will decide to put an end to this nonsense religion bringing terrorrism, violence and poverty every where it goes.

Its already happening, most asian and east european nations are already very hostile to the islamic religion, you will only succeed in making western europe and America to join them.

This is not true. In fact, the globalists of WEF which have infiltrated the leadership of nations are directly/indirectly promoting the growth of Islam. Including the Vatican Pope.

Jesus said "And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the (her) desolation thereof is nigh." Luke 21:20

The church will be raptured. Israel will be subdued/desolated.(Jews flee to the wilderness etc).
It's Jacob's Trouble or the Great Tribulation. Then Jesus will return to Earth to restore/save Israel from total destruction. (Armageddon)

Righteousness09

She looks like that character in 'enchanto' movie. .
The big sister. And similar attributes

somehow:
Has dollar ever come down since the past 20 years?

Wondering where your fear came from.

See you. US dollar is gradually falling. And the fed is inflating the currency with Trillions of dollars that will ensure its sudden collapse.

Anyone holding dollars during collapse or any currency pegged to us dollars will hold worthless currencies. BRICS and other nations have abandoned the US dollars for China's yen.

Don't you remember that it was Buhari that manipulated the Justice system and got those people like Tanko into power?

mrvitalis:
Didn't you people see the signs?

Tinubu of 1999 would have jumped at any chance to debate Peter Obi... Tinubu of 1999 would have jumped at any chance to sale himself

Yes he is a socialist like Awolowo and I am a capitalist like Michael Okpara ....

But the signs was there... You all were blended by Igbo man must not rule that you gave your supports to tinubu that gave INEC the confidence to rig him in

Yes, I've been doing the little I could to warn people that TINUBU is a socialist agent of the World Economic Forum. WEF, which seeks annihilation of democracy, aggressive human depopulation in the name of Climate Change/Pandemics, total control of all aspects of human live.

A popular quote of WEF says "Welcome to you year 2030. u will own nothing and be happy"

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kestolove95:
The votes Tinubu don't need to become president :
Urs and the igbo votes..

Do yourself a favour and know who the WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM are and their global agenda.

Because Tinubu is working for them against humanity. Wether you are Yoruba or Igbo or Hausa is meaningless to this agenda.

Thepeoplesvoice.Tv

I warned those who cared to listen, about Buhari, Tinubu, Biden before they became president. And everything I said happened.

Yourprick:
Yeah dollar at 1200 but why do they keep buying it, aren't you scared Naira might start gaining,our highest imported item is petroleum products and the fg promised a refinery in December, what happens when we stop importing fuel and start refining won't the Naira start gaining? What's the essence of saving in dollars?or you think dollars would keep gaining for the next 4 years lol

Because Tinubu is a WEF agent whose agenda is to destroy Capitalism, global economies to justify the enaction of a global One world system.

Lesgupnigeria:
Pkc and pk oil can be easily be processed
You are throwing away money o.

EASILY*

PLease chairman tell me how it is done.
or What kind of machines are being used?

Marynwachukwu21:
Eeya so sad 😓he has sold his kidney for free.
Never trust anyone,he has been deceived with lot of lies.He prayed for him and rubbed oil on his head,but once the boy lave he might be praying for him not to remember all the promises he made to him.
People are so wicked and heartless💔

Actually my thought is that he touched him with 'believe whatever I say'.
"Do as I say" charm.

He could also be using it in his business.

Lesgupnigeria:
If you fall within these categories of people then this is very important for you

1.if you are currently employed/working and want to diversify your income.

2.if you don't want to work for money even after you retire

3.If you want consistent income coming in for you for decades from your farm then you need to own and start a cash crop farm.
And I will recommend cashcrops such as oilpalm farm because it produces for up to 70 years,it has good value addition index...Most people believe palm oil to be the only product derived from the processing of oilpalm fruits but you can derive palm kernel oil,PKC, etc which generate more than thrice the revenue you get from crude palm oil.

Good morning

But can palm kernel oil and pkc be easily processed?
I don't think we have such facilities.

And most of us throw away the palm kernels after extracting the oil for benga soup lol

Uzodinmma betrayed Igbos by colluding with Buhari and his Islamic agenda to cause economic insecurity and uncertainty in the State.

Munzy14:
😌
Small testing wey Israel do, casualties come be like when them spray insecticide on soldier ants..

By the time ground Invasion start, the whole of GAZA will turn to cemetry..

In this life, no go fight who pass you..Na suicide mission.

For decades, The Jihadists having been launching thousands of bombs against Israel. But Israel's advanced military defense system have saved them numerous times.

Now they decided to stand down for a brief moment to let the Jihadists briefly have their way to justify a Gaza-raid.

Bible says when you see Jerusalem surrounded with armies, know the time is near(rapture).
Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles nations, greatly consumed. But God will hide 144,000 Jews in wildermess from this event.

Raj10:
Don't comment on what u don't have knowledge about

You don't have knowledge of what he is saying.so how can you claim to be the knowledgeable one?

For decades, this has been the fighting strategy of Hamas and other Jihadists. They always used civilians as their shields in wars.

Stockpile and Fire weapons from hospital bases and dense population.
And the civilians are either supporting jihad for Allah or being manipulated

APCNig:
Jews are killing Christians in Palestine, and Nigerian Christians lead by a PhD in Mathematics holder are celebrating. What a set of nincompoops!

I am solidly and liquidly behind any of the two terrorist nations that can wipe out the other from the Planet. We will take care of the other one later.

Is not him that laugh now but he that laugh last that laugh the best.

So you think killing Christians and Jews will take you to heaven ehh?? I just dey laugh.
Jesus prophesied that people like you who kill in the name of God will come.

Also, God has sworn that he will never cast-off Israel forever. They are still GOD's people.
Though the prophesy says in the last days, Israelites will be trampled down by the Gentiles but Jesus will return to destroy all their enemies.

You claim Jesus is your prophet yet you kill and retaliate. Which is against his teachings. You claim you believe the prophets but go against their laws.

Bunch of deceivers.

Kingsnairaland:
I challenge you to find three things that everyone on earth can agree on..

All of you are ignoring the main terrorist = The United States of America and her puppets (NATO).

They do not blow up one or two buildings, they blow up countries.

They do not kidnap one or two people, they kidnap thousands (Guatemo bay)

They do not kill two or 200 people, they kill thousands to millions of people

They do not steal oil tankers, they steal oil blocs and even a whole country.

They do not belong to one or two terror groups, they create and fund terror groups (Taliban, Isis, al aeda, hamas, boko haram etc).

While you lot are here deceiving yourselves calling small flies terrorists, the main terrorist is out there constantly causing death and misery all over the world.

They steal lands and give to whoever they like.

Only few understand the above..


Israel should find a way to live side by side with Palestinians.

You are 101% right.
Leave people who are brainwashed by mainstream media. Who have no clue.

World Economic Forum is the other devil.

Mercisharelove:
The scripture comfirm one male and one female relationship!

Not one male, more females as wives, no, not so from the beginning. How do you know?


Genesis 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

The man is the specie, the male and female! The spirit being, the creature of ELOHIM, THE CREATOR!

A man isn't a boy, no, it's the combination of male and female.


2:24 Therefore shall *(a) not two or more)* man leave his, not their) father and his mother, not their mothers), and shall cleave unto his *(wife) not wives* : and they shall be *one flesh, not many flesh, but one.* Pure spiritual! Follow the truth!

His rib, his wife and they shall be one flesh. Now if you want to relate physically, I am talking about marriage, romantic relationship, living together.

So, stop hurting yourself, be free, pray you meet the man you can meet their needs.

You know the female is like God, like THE HOLY SPIRIT, she has and is built to display all the attributes of GOD ALMIGHTIEST, the help meet for him, the man is greatly help, the same way Isaac was comforted, when Rebekah arrived, that's what THE CREATOR , GOD ALMIGHTIEST SAID before unveiling the most beautiful of HIS creations, while Adam was deep asleep, yet Adam was aware, through revelation that she was taken from the bones of his bones and flesh of his flesh, he said "she shall be called a woman", because she was taken from a man that THE LORD HAD CREATED AND MADE!

Ladies fly...Proverbs 31:29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.

Delete all those junk you posted and paste these verse Mark 10:11-12, 1 Corinthians 7:10-11,39. Romans 7:2-3.

These verses prove to deniers/naysayers without doubt that Polygamy is unacceptable in the gospel.