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greatnaija01:
Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker... need i say more? quote all u want but even Jesus didnt turn water to intoxicating wine.... read your Greek translations and find out yourself... the wine was not fermented.


so stop PERMITTING what God didn't

Evidently you didn't read or understand the OP else you won't have posted this rubbish. Anyway you have a right to stick to your delusions.

�� Below is an excellent piece written few months ago on the subject of Christianity and Alcohol. This piece was in defence of Pope Benedict XVI who recently celebrated his 90th birthday and was pictured sharing a glass of beer with friends. A certain Protestant pastor took to Facebook to calumnize the ex-Pope, condemn Catholic and advance his anti-catholic rhetorics which necessitated this response from Rev Justin Chinaka Mbaeri. Rev Mbaeri was ordained a Catholic priest on March 17 at St Mary's Catholic Church Isolo, Lagos.

DOES THE BIBLE CONDEMN ALCOHOL? AN OPEN RESPONSE TO “PASTOR PAUL RICHARD”
(Chinaka Justin Mbaeri)
Dear senior pastor Paul Richard, with respect to the post you published on your Timeline on the 27th of June at 10:30am, in which you openly insulted the Catholic Church, and tagged me, thereby, drawing my attention, I hereby write an open response.
It is unfortunate, grossly unfortunate that a pastor – a senior pastor like you would come up openly and act sardonically in writing, attacking other people’s Church. Is that what your Bible teaches you as a pastor of souls? Let me recall what you wrote on your timeline as contained in the image below; you said:
“Just take a look at them!!! Shame on you all, even the Pope? Taking alcoholic substance, while Jesus warned us not to drink it. Later, you would say that your Church was founded by Christ. Let me see how you would defend this. WHAT A DISGRACE!”
Dear senior pastor, those were your very words above which generated hundreds of likes, sarcastic reactions, and hundreds of comments, among which were mine. Immediately I commented on your post, you read and deleted it because I refuted your erroneous claims. I commented again and you decided to block me permanently. For this reason, I have decided to come up openly and publish my response against your post, for the sake of the hundreds of souls you may have misled by your false teaching.
Now, you claim that Jesus warned us not to drink alcohol… My dear “man of God”, you are ABSOLUTELY WRONG! Jesus never said anything of such, and even the entire Bible never condemns the consumption of alcohol, but condemns the effects of its excessive intake – drunkeness, etc. I see that you are seriously lacking in theological studies, with a quack knowledge of the Scripture; thus, I recommend a comprehensive study of theology for you, at least for 6years (Bachelor and Masters degree), I hope you accept my suggestion in humility. While you reflect upon taking a theological course, I invite you to journey with me across the pages of the Bible on this issue.
Here comes the question:
WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT ALCOHOLIC CONSUMPTION?
Many religious people believe that God has forbidden any use of alcoholic beverages — that any use of alcohol is wrong and sinful. They claim that the Bible supports this prohibition, just like you claim too. Wine/alcoholic drinks are frequently mentioned in the Bible. If something sinful or beneficial exists about these beverages, then the Bible will show it. What does the Bible really say about wine and alcohol?
WINE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT
One of the first mentions of wine in Scripture is by Melchizedek, priest of the Most High God at Salem (Jerusalem) during the time of Abram, whose name was later changed to Abraham. Melchizedek “brought forth bread and wine” for Abram and his companions (Genesis 14:18). Since the scriptures was born out of the Jewish context, it is better we consider the “sitz im leben” (life setting or cultural context) of the words of the scriptures in relation to the Jewish culture in order to aid better understanding. In this vein, language comes into play. From the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament), the Hebrew word for wine in Genesis 14:18 is “yayin”. This word is used over 130 times in the Hebrew Bible to mean “FERMENTED WINE”, not grape juice as you may think. This same beverage (yayin or alcoholic wine), when used excessively, causes drunkenness. Genesis 9:21 says that Noah drank too much yayin and became drunk. Lot also became drunk on this beverage (Genesis 19:30-36), and so did Nabal (1 Samuel 25:36).
Nevertheless, God told his people to enjoy yayin at the yearly festivals (Deuteronomy 14:26). In addition to using wine as a beverage, God also commanded the Levitical priests to include in the sacrifices a portion of wine (yayin) as a drink offering (Exodus 29:40). These scriptural passages make it clear that there can be a right and a wrong use of wine.
Naturally fermented wine is between 10 percent and 14 percent alcohol. Higher alcoholic wines are fortified wines. On special occasions, God even allowed use of what is translated as “strong drink.” This term comes from a different Hebrew word — “shekar” — which is used 22 times in the Old Testament, and refers to alcoholic drinks made from dates and other fruit. The Bible says that God gave wine to make men glad (Psalm 104:15). Why have some people turned this blessing of God into a curse? The answer is that many people do not follow God’s instructions. A blessing of wine was prophesied as a heritage to the chosen people in Genesis 27:28: “May God give you heaven’s dew and earth’s richness — an abundance of grain and new wine (tirosh).” The Hebrew word tirosh, meaning “new wine”. People sometimes conclude that this word means grape juice, or fresh-pressed juice of the vine. However, Hosea 4:11 states: “Old wine (yayin) and new wine (tirosh) take away their understanding.” Grape-juice do not possess this effect. Put differently, Tirosh is an intoxicating wine if used in excess.
Having journeyed through the Old Testament, let us take a look at the new Testament.
WINE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
While the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, the New Testament on the other hand was entirely written in Greek. Hence, we shall focus our mind on the Greek language in which the New testament was written. John the Baptist did not drink wine (oinos in the Greek) or any other form of alcohol because it was prophesied that he wouldn’t (Luke 1:15). However, Jesus Christ drank oinos (wine) (cf. Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:34). Jesus did not preach against the use of wine; instead he drank like most other Jews of his day. He drank wine in moderation. In ancient times it was normally diluted with water for drinking, and was one of the principal beverages at that time — as it is today.
According to the Greek Bible, Jesus’ first miracle was to change water into wine (oinos) NOT grape juice. Some people who preach total abstinence claim that this miracle was to turn water into grape juice. LOL… This is because, they tend to interpret the Scriptures based on their “myopic understanding”. Can you imagine a Jewish wedding banquet where everyone drank only grape juice?! (which is very difficult to imagine). The ancients did not have refrigeration or any other method of preventing grape juice from fermenting. On this occasion, Christ turned six jars of 20 or 30 gallons each into wine (oinos). This was no small miracle. This wine was of the finest quality — “You have saved the best wine till now” (John 2:10). At wedding feasts, the hosts normally started with the best wine, and they would bring out lesser-quality wines later.
Jesus gave a parable involving the fermenting process of oinos (alcoholic wine) in Matthew 9:17. At that time, instead of having metal or glass bottles to enclose wine, the skins of animals were used. The fermentation of the wine could burst an old skin, but it would not break a new stretchable skin. Another proof that oinos is fermented wine is the fact that the apostle Paul said, “Do not get drunk on wine (oinos)” (Ephesians 5:18). Paul did not mean to avoid getting drunk on grape juice! Paul instructed Timothy, “Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine (oinos) because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses” (1 Timothy 5:23). He said to use only a little wine, not a whole lot. The purpose of this wine was Timothy’s frequent stomach ailments; small amounts of wine can help some stomach problems.
Some of the Corinthian Christians were getting drunk at the Lord’s Supper (1 Corinthians 11:21). They were using fermented wine, following the example that Christ had set for them. Paul did not tell them that they were using the wrong kind of wine. He simply told them to eat and drink at home, and to participate in the Lord’s Supper in a respectful way. In Romans 14:21, Paul says that it is good not to drink wine or eat meat if it offends a weak brother. He is referring to fermented wine; grape juice wouldn’t offend anyone. The implication is that there’s nothing wrong with the wine in itself, except when it is abused.
Therefore, Scripture does not necessarily forbid a Christian from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol, like the beer Pope Benedict XVI (emeritus) drank on his 90th birthday. Alcohol, consumed in moderation, is neither harmful nor addictive. In fact, some doctors advocate drinking small amounts of red wine for its health benefits, especially for the heart. Consumption of alcohol in moderation is a matter of CHRISTIAN FREEDOM.
If you’re weak, then do not consider drinking it. Drunkenness and addiction are sinful; and this is exactly what the Bible condemns.
Above all, I am not proposing that alcohol must be consumed by all; if you maintain that intake of alcohol is bad for you, ok! That is simply your opinion; as pointed out, It is a matter of “Christian Freedom”, hence, do not look with disdain on someone who consumes alcohol in moderation or consider him/her a sinner. Besides, not only excessive intake of alcohol is a sin, the bible also condemns gluttony (such as excessive intake of food etc.) Hence, if you consume an excessive amount of soft drinks or other foods, it is also a sin!
So, my dear friends in Christ, senior pastor Paul Richard, my dear “born-again Christians”, and all those reading this article, do not be scandalized when a fellow Christian, or even the Pope consumes alcoholic drinks.
Shalom!

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GoroTango:
So? Does that mean you must put two southerners on the same ticket?

The sooner we stop this tribal/regional politics, the better for Nigeria. We should be choosing our leaders based on their competence and not were they come from.

GoroTango:
Forget it. No southerner can be president before 2023. Its the turn of the north

Who says it's the turn of the north Is that what is in your constitution Continue deluding your self.

FriendNG:
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HomeOfMe:
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maasoap:
Looks like you're consoling yourself.

Evidently you have no clue about the high level political permutations and re-alignment currently going on. Or you think political strategizing is done on social media? Just watch and learn, I can assure you that the next six months will be very politically explosive and interesting.

To those thinking that a weakened PDP will favour Buhari, I am sorry to say you are out of touch with current political realities. Very soon a clear leader will emerge amongst all the several opposition candidates and platforms and 90% of the opposition will align behind this leader to wrestle power from the dullaard in 2019 and change the face of Nigerian politics forever.

PS: Even several APC members are warming up to dump the party and join the Coalition movement before the 2019 elections.

godliman:
It seems obj is tacitly detroying pdp and helping APC.

APC is even more divided and fractionalised than PDP and in the months ahead several APC members will also dump the party. Both APC and PDP are sinking ships. The Coalition movement is the new beautiful bride.

Adekdammy:
Ok agreed, will you use the bridge? If yes and you are here castigating them, sie you are wrong.

The truth is that the bridge would not have been necessary if deeper life had not breached urban planning regulations and connived with Lagos government officials to approve the building of a massive church building in a strictly residential area. What the bridge will do is to help reduce a problem caused by deeper life in the first instance. Those of us that live in the area are actually dreading the day the church will be opened as that will signal the beginning of heavy traffic in our area and will constitute a big nuisance to us.

neezar:
lies, I stay at gbagada, I know u are 1 of those that try so hard to criticise churches

The church did it so as to ease traffic, not only for members, Then why did they also donate those street lights if they did it for members

Stop saying trash if u don't stay close or live around that area......They have already started the plan before the petition was made

I also stay in Gbagada and I can testify that the OP is 100% correct. If not for Fashola, deeper life would not have constructed these structures. It was imposed on them as a precondition for allowing them to open the church.

DonALdep:
Imposed or not... A bridge was built... Some Churches would just wait for another government to take over so they can forget about it. But that was not the case here. When something good is done, it deserves recommendation. Also I don't think Deeper Life came online to post their accomplishment. It's not their style, and I'm pretty sure you'll utilize the bridge as well. I'm sure they are many other Big Churches with large congregation causing huge traffic without caring. Trust me if they didn't care about you people, they wouldn't listen to the government. In the sands of time, fact and history will carry it that Deeper Life built a bridge and a park. Other big Churches shd learn.

What kind of twisted logic is this Deeper life built those structures because they were forced to. Left to them they wouldn't have given a damn thanks to Fashola who imposed it on them. They don't deserve any credit for it as they were forced to build the structures else their church won't be allowed to open. They built it strictly for their own selfish reasons and not out of care for the public.

#Duke2019

biggie73:
If Obasanjo is a member, I will never be a member of that group.

Obasanjo is merely promoting the group, ultimately it is going to be run and owned by the youth.

Kingwizzy16:
Frz again


For the fact that frz listen to these men preaching. He will surly repent one day



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Amen

Stop talking rubbish, it's bishop oledepo that needs to repent.

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Seun, Lalasticlala, Mynd44

I think you should post the response to the letter here as well.

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