₦airaland Forum

The truth about the unbiblical nature of church tithing is gradually being established.

CC: Seun lalasticlala

Daddy freeze is clearly my man of the year.

intruxive:

I just knew one of u jobless people will do this comparison.
Op as u obviously know nothing, lets try and teach u. Cows are usually leaner during dry season up north (due to low availability of grass) but bcom better looking during and immediately after the rains
Its not like u care tho, the hate has eating u deep
Abi the grass wey buhari cows dey chop don hungry u ni

Your analysis even buttresses the point further. The previous picture was taken during the raining season in April just after the 2015 elections and the current one was taken over the weekend in the middle of the dry season. Going by your analysis the cows should have been fatter in the older picture taken in 2015 but the reverse is the case leaving us to conclude that the cows must have benefited from their owners 'change' agenda.

Lalasticlala come and see the 'Transformation agenda' working on Buhari's cows.

DONFASZY:
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Bossforeva:
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laudate:
I don't know why he was not made a Minister under GEJ.
The guy has the ideas, skill and expertise to turn things around in any arm of govt.

Fact is that Nigerian politics is based on patronage and not competence. We need to change the narrative.

ProjectNaija:
You are absolutely correct. If the succeeding administration had managed it properly, calabar would have become another dubai by now.

Yes Tinapa was a solid master stroke, unfortunately the succeeding administration lacked the vision and the clueless Nigerian custom conspired to kill the project. I believe it can still be resuscitated though, the potentials are humongous.

^^^
Very good question

HeavenIsSoReall:
There was consequences for what Abraham did, God wasn't pleased with him but the tithe he paid was accepted by God.

Which yeye consequences It's on record that God even blessed the product of that union even though he wasn't the covenant child. And stop adding to scriptures were did you read that Abraham tithed to God or that God accepted his tithe Abraham's tithe was to Melchizedek who was the king of Salem, there is no suggestion in the bible that he was tithing to God.

ofai:
See how obviously INCOHERENT you are, attempting to relate tithing to sleeping with a maid.... Your itching ear is quite obvious.... You cant stop tithing because it comes with its own blessing. No body is forcing you to pay tithes. Your noise will soon fade.

See your double standards, if you can justify tithing because of Abraham's one off voluntary tithes then you should be able to justify sleeping with house maids going by your dubious logic.

ofai:
So be it to you. Your opinions are inconsequential. Tithing is scriptural. It started with Abraham. Deal with it.

Abraham also slept with and impregnated his house maid which makes it scriptural. Going by your twisted logic, as Christians we should be free to sleep with whoever suits our fancy. That is apart from the fact that the version of tithes preached and practiced today is different from the obsolete biblical type.

Shameless fraudster.

casualobserver1:
This is true, but taking that option would be dangerous. We operate a first-past-the-post electoral system and that system usually produces 2 major parties in any given contest.

Breaking this duopoly is always tough.

Yes it should be tough to break the duopoly but truth is that both parties have failed Nigerians and many Nigerians will embrace another party that can capture their imagination and present itself creditably.

ofai:
even you know that your response was empty and shallow.

Study Hebrews7:1-3 and tell us who Melchizedek king of Salem was.

If you don't get this, then you lack the revelation of who Melchizedek was.

All this revelation you are shouting upandan is at best a fraudulent manipulation to me. Fact is that Melchizedek was a King priest and Kings used to collect a tithe as taxes in those days.

ofai:
Tell me who Melchizedek, king of Salem was and stop dillydallying....

Keep shifting the goalpost and be ignored for good.

He was a King priest and Kings in those days use to collect a tithe as a form of taxation.

casualobserver1:
I know he wants to go for President but with the ticket zoned to the north by PDP and Buhari planning on second term in APC it will be tough. Only way I see him clinching the top job is to settle for vice now and wait till tickets are zoned to the south to push for the Presidency.

I still admire his focus on tourism during his tenure. Cross River is beautiful and he took several steps to boost the tourism industry. I think he pushed too hard with Tinapa but that is just my layman's opinion.

PDP and APC are not the only political parties in the country. there are always other options.

ofai:
Who was Melchizedek, king of Salem? Tell me what the bible stated about Melchizedek. Tell me please.....I want to know, So we can from there deduce whether it was about customs or by revelation that Abraham tithed to Melchizedek.

Your appealing to this "revelation" rhetoric is at best dishonest to me and any discerning person. The bible never said that it was by revelation so stop committing the sin of adding to scriptures. We know from history that tithing was a custom were Abraham came from so that was clearly the reason he tithes. Does it even make sense to have a revelation of what was already commonly practiced in an area. What kind of yeye revelation is that

casualobserver1:
Duke is free to run, but his Vice Presidential ambitions are going to be tough to realize. His method of highly leveraged debt to finance projects will certainly be used against him.

All things considered, I still wish him the best of luck.

His ambition is to be president and not the vice. Yes some people might want to use the debt overhang of Tinapa against him but fact is that it was a very brilliant project which was capable of paying it's way but some retrogressive elements conspired to kill the project after he left as governor.

ofai:
Tithing to Melchizedek, a priest (who had no beginning nor end) who wasn't from Ur WAS BY REVELATION my brother.

That said, your position on customary tithes of different lands who practiced theocracy in some form still helps in further buttressing my point.

I just provided evidence to you that Abraham tithes based on the customs of his people and you are still insisting it was by revelation without any evidence to back your fables. Stop making up stories and appealing to a fictitious"revelation" to justify the tithe scam. Tithing is an ancient pagan custom of the people from Mesopotamia were Abraham came from and that's why he tithes to the king of Salem. He didn't do it based on any imaginary revelation.

Donald Duke is by far the best performing governor in this political dispensation to date. It will really be a disservice to the nation if he is not allowed to run for president.

ofai:
My brother, TITHING does not have two meanings. Go through various Bible commentaries and study it further. Abraham's tithe was the beginning and the first evidence of pre-law tithing.

Abraham tithed, obviously not by compulsion as done in the mosaic law era. He did his by REVELATION. and this attitude of his is exemplary. We should tithe by revelation.

Abraham's tithe was not by revelation but based on the customs of his people. Abraham came from the land of Ur in Babylonia and tithing was a part of their custom then. If you doubt this just google the phrase 'babylonian tithe ' and you will get your answers. The Egyptians also had a pagan tithing tradition that predates the Jewish tithes so and Abraham visited Egypt so stop deceiving yourself that he had a revelation to tithe.

hardasan:
I'm not a pastor. Even if I am, it's not me that will receive the tithe of anyone reading this. I felt a burden to write and I am grateful I did. Apart from the bliss from the knowledge that I have impacted in not one, not 2, not even 10 lives, I feel like an apostle already
If you have followed up to this point, the summary is : tithing is biblical and it doesn't have to be money.

Yes tithing is biblical but it's not applicable to Christians. That said the type of tithing preached and practiced today (monetary tithe from income) is certainly not biblical but derived from twisting scriptures.

hardasan:
Agreed. That law has been annulled.

But the same passage talks about a new law being in place

Heb ch 7
vs 12: For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law
vs 18: For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
vs 28: For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore

Heb ch 8
vs 7: For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
vs 10: For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
vs 13: In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away

It goes on and on
Via the highlighted verses, you can see that there is a new convenant and an old one. The word "convenant" and "law" were used interchangeably thoughout the highlighted verses.

Yes there is a new covenant and tithing is not a part of it.

hardasan:
Why not go to their church and ask intelligent questions that will expose them ? Or erect a sign post opposite their church with your tithe ?
Someone preaches a false doctrine, you come here to point out that the doctrine is wrong is a typical example of: I slap you, you slap my car tyre and run away.
Tithing can be commodities, tithing can be money. Tithing is between you and God. You shouldn't be forced or blackmailed to pay neither should you wait to be told to pay. You call it annulment, I call it amendment. The summary is that the first commandment concerning priesthood has been changed. Priesthood isn't by the bloodline of Levi but after the manner of Melchizedech

It's the bible that called it annulment not me and it's wrong of you to amend what God has annulled. That's rebellion.

hardasan:
It's the same thing I am saying.
By law, only the levitical priests receive tithes, but now a priest after the manner of Melchizedech will receive tithes. The first law wasnt perfect, now that law has changed.
Heb ch 7vs 5
5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?


12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Why should there be a change of the law ? Because by law, only the lévites can receive tithes. For Melchizedech or Jesus to lawfully receive tithes, the levitical law must change


13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.


Read verse 8 again:
8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

Here the bible explains that the levitical priesthood isn't perfect so there ariseth another priest after the manner of Melchizedech the priest that predates the levitical priesthood. The law brought about the levitical priesthood. Now, to switch back to the manner of Melchizedech's priesthood, the law that brought about the levitical priesthood must be changed. So instead of dying men receiving tithes, eternal priests will receive the tithes so therefore, the law is changed. that's why only the pre levitical tithing is being practiced. The tithe of feasts, the once in 3yrs tithes for the widows and orphans are stopped. Only the type Abraham and Jacob gave stands because it is from the Melchizedech era.

Are we clear now ?

No we are not clear. First of all the law was annulled and not amended as you are trying to pass off. That aside what we are practising today has no semblance to Abraham's one off voluntary tithes or Jacobs conditional promise to tithe. The tithe our pastors preached today is based on the annulled levitical tithes albeit in a twisted format. That they preach it as mandatory shows that they are preaching the obsolete law tithe and that they preach it as money from income is fraudulently twisting the word of God to extort believers as there is not one single example of monetary tithe from income in the bible despite the fact that people were on record to be receiving monetary income as far back as the book of Genesis in the bible.

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hardasan:
Highlight where I implied that the Apostles solely took the 100%.
The money was re shared immediately, will the initial contributor receive up to 50% back ? Weren't the Apostles also beneficiaries of the sharing ? Weren't they being catered for through that means ?
Where do you think the money for the mission trips across the world came from ? Who sustained the Apostles even while they were away on those trips ?


Hebrews 7:18-19King James Version (KJV)

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

So how does this mean don't pay tithe ? This chapter 7 of Hebrews was talking about the switch from the levitical priesthood back to that of Melchizedech with Jesus this time instead of Melchizedech.

If you read that passage in context you will realize that it was the commandment to tithe in verse 5 that was annulled in verse 18. It's very clear except you choose to ignore it and even if you want to argue that it was the whole law being talked about in verse 18, tithing was still part of the law and it was specifically mentioned in verse five.

Donald Duke is certainly by far the best man for the Job. He will not only have my vote if he decides to contest, I will also campaign massively for him.