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I see you, Mrs. Livedit.

Wislet:
If this is really how men SHOULD BE, the Bible wouldn't have said,'' A man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his WIFE''. I did not see more than one woman there. If this is really how the mentality of men have become, then am sorry, but the level of foolishness is remarkable.

Please allow me to say you ma'am are so truthfully genius!   Foolishness is too polite, how about dog poo as Whoopi would say?

HIV/AIDS infections are prominent in the black communities all AROUND THE WORLD and the others are sitting back watching with a grin. Hmm.

bizking24:
The question of accepting the man's surname or not after marriage depends to some
degree on her age. By the time most single ladies hit 40, that question is no longer an issue.
I'm just wondering, if faced with a choice of either accepting the guy's surname or staying
single their whole life, what will most ladies prefer?  Sisters, go ask your moms.

Not all women are desperate and if the man is an asshole a sensible woman will not marry him regardless if she is old or not.

Only a dummy would marries an asshole who thinks surname is more important than the compatibility and durability within marriage.

Iyineda:
And I thought I was a troll. https://i50.tinypic.com/2vv85fd.gif https://i50.tinypic.com/2vv85fd.gif

Mrs.Chima, you have a new fan in me.

You got love for us lesbians?

MzDarkSkin:
[color=#993300]OMO TOO DUMB,

Up until this present moment, I have shown you nothing but respect. I have answered all of your questions and then some being sure to let you know that i respect you and your opinion. So for me to log on just now and see you refer to me as a dog after having accused Chima of taking this too serious FURTHER let's me know you are far beyond a male chauvinist, you are a punk. It kills you that not only were you 'sonned' and out debated by females, but FOREIGN ones at that.

I am not YOUR woman, YOUR daughter, YOUR pet, YOUR possession nor YOUR WIFE. GOD FORBID! I would rather live in an Ebola hot-zone than be married to a guy who believes because I belong to one s3x, my duty is to take heed to his opinion and live my life as according to how he sees fit ignoring my rights as a fellow human being. You cry and btch when you are attacked and now you want to drag me into this; angry because you do not have the balls to stand your ground and get your message across. Do not blame me for your failures. You can kill yourself if it bothers you that much. I suggest you use the wasted balls you were born with and the testosterone that is SOMEWHERE in you, and be a man. Grow up and quick!

For the record unless your name is Princek12, I was NOT talking to you when I mentioned that 'using God's name' line. Congratulate yourself
for volunteering to look like a jack arse for free!  [/color]

Damn. LMAO@ebola hot zone

That's gotta hurt! These lads are getting too emotional about this thread and it isn't even that serious. SMH.

darqly:
Interesting opinions, but thats all they are and are subject to being accepted or not. Amazing how many women 'claim' they would keep daddy's name, whatever it takes- has much to do with all these women lib talk that we can never get enough off. I'd say a man that accepted a 'name-sharing' arrangement with his wife probably stands to gain an undue advantage somehow; men are cunning. In few instances though, the man might actually be lily-livered and kowtow's to wifey's apron strings. A name is an identity; that u accept mine @ marriage in no way annihilates your lineage but affirms that we're willing to chart OURS. If she loves daddy's name that much, she bloody well better remain daddy's girl then.

Then you better marry a girl that isn't a daddy's girl that if you are single. It is that simple.

adconline:
Ahaahaha ^^ what does a pre-nup have to do with anything?
You talk like in every marriage, the man is always the bread-winner. Look around you, hun. It's 2011.


You are giving an illusion of everyone retaining their individuality and preference. Maybe I should rephrase: If a woman wants to retain her name, it's OK, the same woman should also be OK that the man wants a prenup or doesnt want to open up his bank account for her . The premise of retaining your name should also be extended to owning  properties, and financial matters.

BTW, in Naija, most men are breadwinners

I wonder why.

[quote author=omo_to_dun link=topic=657963.msg8255370#msg8255370 date=1304480545]@MrsChima

This issue seems to be so close to your heart and it is obvious you are hurting somewhere, seeing as you overwhelming have the most posts on this thread; heck, you have the most posts on any threads that you have decided to spread your ignorance. It does not take much posts to articulate yourself, but given your level of expression and composition, we understand why you would think that more posts are equivalent to better expression. No one is using Jehovah's name in vain; explicitly stating what the Father has said by referencing His name is not using His name in vain. Of course, it'd be unrealistic of me to think your second-hand middle-aged brain will process anything that is written by anyone, or even written by you(as evidenced from your previous posts); nevertheless, your whining for the better part of the day is nothing short of a comic relief. Please, keep bitching, and put your dog---MrsDarkSkin---in its cage. That shouldn't be too hard, should it?[/quote][size=44pt]Womp, womp, womp, and womp!  You sucks! [/size] 

(digging finger in arse and smearing excretes all over the thread)

MzDarkSkin:
[img]http://deansomerset.files./2011/01/demotivational-pay-attention.jpg[/img]

[color=#993300]CONTINUE TO KNOCK YOURSELVES OUT!!
to the other ppl on this thread who are aware that "Live and Let Live" is the best method to achieving peace on
this Earth, pat yourselves on your back  .

TO THE 'BEAT CHEST CREW': When the woman you love slip from your fingers because you want to exert some sort of 'male dominance'
to feel like you are somehow special, that is when it will be too late.
MY ADVICE? Grow up!

AND LET ME SAY THIS ONE THING. . .LEAVE GOD OUT OF THIS ISSUE! NEITHER ONE OF YOU ARE THE CREATOR AND THEREFORE HAVE NO RIGHT USING HIS/HER NAME TO PUT YOUR VIEWS ACROSS! If you were a true Christian like you pretend to be, you would repent for what you all call Blasphemy. Grow up. [/color]

Fake Christians and fake prophesies accelerating as we speak.   Using their Creator names in vain is the fake christian way.  Many of them prolly ain't stepped a foot in church since they were shitting in diapers and if they were to drink some holy water that water will catch a fire. 

Growing up is a hard thing to do on this forum.   

Princek12:
It is a man's world; we just need women to support men in their world. Why is that so hard to grasp?

You cannot fight nature. We have the screwdriver and you guys have the receptacle. God made it that way. If you have a problem with it, go and talk to God.

As it is a man's world, that is why most women who marry change their names to their husband's names. While some women may choose to do otherwise, those women are in the minority and are the exception to the rule.

Sugarless kool aide anyone?    And you can't fight evolution no matter how hard you quote scriptures married women with hyphenated names and different surnames exist. You are powerless in your man's world.

Nekai:
LOL!

Still don't know what the preservation of a woman's last name has to do with submitting to her husband. If the husband agrees then there is no problem. If he disagrees, one should know long before planning to get married. If this issue wasn't discussed during the courting period, what was? It's important to discuss topics that are important before the engagement.

Are people really effectively courting these days?  You know some people are in a hurry to get married and do not take the time look over the things of importance instead of stressing over surnames which is astounding.  

I was expecting to see something like quality, substance, decency, and compromises but I guess I won't get that in this forum.  

[quote author=omo_to_dun link=topic=657963.msg8255176#msg8255176 date=1304476521]Ladies, we cannot live in this world by ourselves, we do need your love and support! The very reason that Jehovah created Eve for Adam![/quote]You contradicting yourself again, you said your God created Adam and Eve and you need women love and support but this is the man's world?

Hmm. Sounds like you making koolaide without sugar.

chiogo:
Exactly. In that case, the pre-nup they keep yelling about won't be helping a broke-a/s/s 'man'.
Man, you guys kill me. I'm sure men would love to live in this world of theirs by themselves.

Yeah, it is a man's world alright and they are crying because a woman said she will keep her surname and won't cook meals.  

They say that if women were to live in another planet by themselves we weren't last long I am willing to bet the men will be the first to buck if we were to separate worlds.  

[quote author=omo_to_dun link=topic=657963.msg8255160#msg8255160 date=1304476263]It doesn't matter what you choose, you are still choosing a man.[/quote]Who said my name belongs to man?  People do change their name that does not belongs to either the mother or the father and you do not have to be married to do so.  

And women still choosing do as they pleases in the "man's world".   

Thank God for the family courts that allow name changes without having to be married.

chiogo:
Ahaahaha ^^ what does a pre-nup have to do with anything?
You talk like in every marriage, the man is always the bread-winner. Look around you, hun. It's 2011.

They wants to believe that and in fact there are more women breadwinner ever before and yet they wants to beat their chest about surnames. Smh.

Stone Cave Age in 2011.

chiogo:

Typical.

Araboy:
Of course  I can still marry her  In Muslim tradition most women   keep their last name intact

Yes, they do and some of them hyphenate their surnames with their husbands. I still believes that Muslim marriages last longer than Christian marriages for obvious reasons.

adconline:
Hope Kate Middleton Keeps her  surname too.  If you want to  keep your surname fine, but you should be ready to sign a pre-nuptial agreement too. In that case, whatever you bring in, you will take with you whenever the marriage crashes --including your name.

That why I advocate women to get their STABILITY before marriage and that way they will leave with whatever they brought into the marriage including their name.

Prenuptial agreements are encouraged especially in this day and age. People fuss over stupid shit and divorce for the dumbest shit.

Princek12:
I guess if your name has no value, then there is nothing to it. For people who value their name and ancestry and culture, then they know the value of a name.  When men have prayed for sons to carry down their name, and when people pay to be identified with a name, you are here saying what is in a name.

Sorry if you do not know the value of your own name, assuming you are a man, but recognize that there a real man out there who know the value as well as the importance of their name.

The bullshit continues. SMH.

tennyinfo:

Mrs Chima,

Even if you don't have houseboy in the States, you sure have scrubs and attache dudes. Those are the ones you will marry.

Mrs Chima Chukwuemeka-Oyakhilomen
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Thank God for giving me the acumen to balance a multicultural experience

Why would she adulterate my name @ Mrs chima. It is better as Mrs Chima Chukwuemeka Oyakhilomen. No hypen let your name be as first and middle name not adulterating the husbands name.
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I am a lesbian and my wife is Mrs. Rokiatu.  So this question doesn't pertain to me.  Hope you get your answers though.  

anfanio:
from : princek12
There are men who do not care about name change, so consent is not necessary if you find one.

That what I and a few other women have been saying for the last two days. But those men who do not care were called wimps, suckers, limp dicks, no balls having, stupid, not a real king, and houseboys. SMH.

[quote author=omo_to_dun link=topic=657963.msg8254727#msg8254727 date=1304466977]@MrsChima

LOL. Seriously? What is the point of having a discourse about such an interesting topic if you know that, regardless of the facts which are clearly presented to you, your opinions would never be swayed? This is just tantamount to pouring water into a basket. Chei, MrsChima, I feel cheated. [/quote]Gotcha. Moving on.

MzDarkSkin:
[color=#993300]My father's name will come first. I pray my marriage will last just as long and longer but anything is possible.  I am sure things like financial obligations and building a family/having kids and raising them would be more of a concern and not my name.

and I love your siggy  [/color]

Yes, Oguga said that back then real love was easy to find compared in this era however I believe that people place wrong importance on superficial things for which why some people divorce, cheats, and kill their spouses because they are not happy.

Compatibility should be what important because the worst thing is to have someone's name you can't even stand or hates. That is bleeped up.

MzDarkSkin:
[color=#993300]HEY! HEY! HEY!   I am going to patten that line!   jk.

Right, I am not on a crusade to change them or their minds. i respect them however had there been NO 'pea brain women' comments the 'debate' on my end would have been done with my second reply. I do see why I should be chastised or labeled for my views.

OMO TO DUN, no sir. I am not a Christian.[/color]

You like my siggy? I have a question sis, are you going to use your father's surname first or husband's surname first when you hyphenate the names?

I know a girl who is latina and she have her grandfather, father, and husband names next to her first name. She is happily married for 25 years and she is not a Christian.

[quote author=omo_to_dun link=topic=657963.msg8254695#msg8254695 date=1304466168]You have finally proved my point. Please read the above and analyze it. If you meant your forefathers(like you claimed), I'd want you to know that your black ancestors did not fight for the rights of all women in America. No, they didn't. It was white women who fought for your suffrage and for equality and are still continuing to do so. So how have I twisted your comments? You are so damn right, a dictionary section is needed. But I fail to see how that will help you since you lack the mental capability to comprehend even the statements that you wrote.[/quote]My opinions still remains.  Your opinion about me doesn't mean anything to me and I am still going to be me.   Thanks for sharing though.  

MzDarkSkin:
[color=#993300]Girl, they don't know about the Jamo Journalism/History Major!!!  
I do NOT ramp or play around. So many misdeeds and disgusting things happened in the name of
preserving 'THEIR NAME''. smh.  

Don't get me wrong, I'm not ANTI-MEN, I am just anti-bull.  

If our ancestors in the Ancient Africa we know of wore straw skirts, women talking topless was a tradition and 'traditions are to be honored and kept' why wear cover up garments? why not pray to and Idol instead of the Holy Ghost? why speak English? Why even wear a dress and tux? why not lay down a mat and have 50 meetings with the men of the future bride's family, give the cows/goats/chickens and take your 'prize' instead of going before a preist and doing the 'holy matrimony' thing?

WHY? BECAUSE THINGS AND TIMES CHANGE! Ppl get wise and learn it is not a MUST to do things the same always, there is always room for change and individuality. I have yet to be struck by lightening for driving a car rather than walking or banished to hell for piercing my nose or getting my tattoo on my 'bodily temple' so why would a name change cause such a riot?   [/color]

I'm not ANTI-MEN, I am just anti-bull. I will use this as my signature. This is priceless.

It is clear that some people aren't used to change and can't accept change. A Nigerian woman on this site that the reason why her black people do not get ahead because they are still stuck on what is not important. She was on point when she said that.

Change is for those who can accept and those who can't.

[quote author=omo_to_dun link=topic=657963.msg8254671#msg8254671 date=1304465449]@MrsChima

Still, your rights were mostly secured by white women than they were by your forefathers. Re-read your history. If it wasn't for those women I mentioned you would not be able to vote. LOL: A feminist thanking men for her rights. You are just a monkey see monkey do type of gal. [/quote]Okay.  Keep twisting and my opinions will still be the same.  Guess what, you don't have to agree with it.  

Seun need to create a dictionary section for real though.

MzDarkSkin:
[color=#993300]Omo, Chima basically answered your question in a sense when she said "back in the day women were forced to marry anything and accept that person's identity.  They had no voice back in that time. . .".

In other words around the time the bible was written, and rewritten   by MEN with ulterior motives, a woman even being in a room with men, much less looking them in the eye was considered disrespectful. Women's rights? COMICAL.

So we are talking about an era in which women were not even second class citizens on a cross cultural scale. They came after their children, who came after the men. In essence they had no legacy to build because they were bred to be side kicks and to tend to a man's wants and needs from birth. they had no chance to achieve anything but a reputation at being good at doing menial/vocational jobs as domestic wives and house girls. Nothing honorable in that much less being a girl, evident in how ancient societies even permitted men to kill their baby girls is they did not desire them. The same laws also gave them rights to find and impregnate concubines to have sons who can CONTINUE THEIR NAME.

So what I am getting at is, women HAVING A NAME was impossible. So how would we choose our mother's names when they are using SIR. . .i mean SURnames from their fathers?

this goes back to what I said as well as Chima that the concept of taking a man's name meant female to MALE submission. Submitting and being the property to a suitor that back then they could not choose, but their fathers. Hence the 'slave' reference.[/color]

[size=55pt]Gbam![/size] Priceless.

[quote author=omo_to_dun link=topic=657963.msg8254618#msg8254618 date=1304464830]@MrsChima

My bad. I thought you were one of those blacks who always showered praise on the founding fathers. Don't get me wrong, they laid the foundation for this country, and most of what they put in place have been instrumental in the shaping of this country; however, we must always remember the mess they created and nursed for centuries, a mess which later generations had to shed blood to clean.[/quote]Yeah it is your bad.

chiogo:
And how about non-Christians? Or people in whose culture the woman keeps her name? They're not unified?
I'm taking what you wrote literally now: so what if the woman already moved out of her parents' house before getting married?

Still boils down to choice and you cannot force down your opinion on others with all these excuses/justifications. Not like women have not been hyphenating their names anyway so it's not a new concept.

Exactly.  Oguga!  The women are kicking arses and it is refreshing to see such tangible comments from someone who is supposedly pea brain and stupid.  

That was my point since the first page, women ALL OVER THE WORLD NOT JUST THE WEST keeping their father's surname and/or hyphenating their surnames with their husband's since forever.  They act like women woke up today and decided to say we are choosing to do what we pleases when women been doing it since women had the right to choose!

[quote author=omo_to_dun link=topic=657963.msg8254587#msg8254587 date=1304464433]@MrsChima
Fúck the American forefathers. Those sons of bitches not only had slaves, but they called blacks 3 / 5 humans and they treated women as properties. It wasn't the forefathers who fought for your right, they were selfish, racists,  and hypocritical pigs. Please read about Lydia Taft, Susan B. Anthony, and Elizabeth Stanton. The first was the front-runner for women suffrage and the latter were instrumental in forming the National Woman Suffrage Association. As for me, I am grateful to the Almighty God and Civil Rights Movement because without them I wouldn't be where I am today. Forefathers my black áss.[/quote]Who said anything about black forefathers?  I said my forefathers.   I am glad you are grateful and you should be.

emmatok:
And who label them "PROPERTIES"?

You Of course! Mrs Know-all Independent woman i will take no poo from any man   .

So because they don't flow with your ideology they are "PROPERTIES".

I am not the one crying about women keeping their father's surnames and bitching about women hyphenating their surnames with their husband's.  I even applauded the women who changed their husband's so what ideology are you referring?  Unlike you, I can accept opinions that varies from mine and do not get upset because their views are different than mine.  

Try it and you will feel better.  

Someone ate your yams?