Mkenya2019:
Nigeria is zoo. But at least Nigerians are hardworking and educated compared to Tanzanians. Tanzania is peaceful and functional state. Nigeria is complete chaos with power blackouts, endless traffic, crazy hawkers and informal flea markets, loud and chaotic. Let not add insecurity - from urban to rural areas - it almost like DRC - it's either kidnappers, cattle rustlers, jihadist or boko haram.

If you told me to choose btw TZ and Nigeria - TZ wins every day.

TZ problems are fixable. It's a problem of primitive agrarian economy that needs to be transformed to modern industries and services. It's like China of 1978.

They just need to embrace capitalism like China did in 1978 - allow private ownership of land, reduce gov involvement in business, reduce gov interference in private sector, change education policy - either go fully Kiswahili or English, remove forex controls and allow firms to repatriate profit at will.

Once they do that private domestic and foreign investment will flow - to take advantage of TZ peaceful large population, natural resources - and friendly people - and their economy will start firing on all cylinders.

All the changes in TZ do not require any money - just a change in attitude from their primitive gov and people.

Nigeria is a complicated mess - like DRC - it first need to be split into 2 or 3 countries - definitely the muslim north and christian south do not have a shared vision.

Something that Tanzania is not going to do is allow private ownership of land. The system that we have in Tanzania help reduce land conflicts by a mile. In Tanzania if you buy land technically you buy the rights to lease land from the gvt and the title deed is provided in a 33yrs or 99yrs basis. When the title deed expires you just go and renew the title deed and so on and so on. And if you title deed expires the gvt not kick you out of your land. Only Tanzanians are allowed to own (lease land from the government) and after get a title deed you have 3 yrs to develop the land(you can even just plant trees in your land and it is considered land development) and if not the gvt will inform you that you have to forfeit the land (which rarely happens).
The upside to this system is that if an investor opens a company in Tanzania and acquires land (that is the only way that foreigners can own land). They have to utilize the land as intended and if not the gvt can take the land and redistribute it back to the local village authorities. This has helped prevent conflicts over land such as with the white farmers in SA and Zimbabwe.

Mkenya2019:
See the communist Tanzania still blocking Kenya investment to their backwater. The same Kenya that lifted it from it's communism morass

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/financial-standard/article/2001431215/magufuli-ghosts-return-to-haunt-kenyan-firms-as-bid-to-crack-tz-flops
Last week, Tanzanian authorities threw into disarray KCB’s bid to acquire African Banking Corporation Tanzania (BancABC Tanzania) following what the lender said were delays in approval from regulators.

But this is not surprising. Over the last five years, there has not been any major merger and acquisition by a Kenyan company in Tanzania, according to Kunal Ajmera, the chief operating officer and international business centre director for Eastern Africa at Grant Thornton Kenya, an audit company.

An increase in East African Breweries Ltd’s stake in Serengeti Breweries is the only notable deal in the recent past.

“The only other deals that happened are by private equity firms. They just invest in Tanzania because they have to balance their portfolio,” said Mr Ajmera.

Normally, when foreign money comes into the East Africa Community (EAC), private equity firms are expected to find deals across the trading bloc’s member states.

Elijah Munyi, a lecturer of international relations at the United States International University-Africa, reckons KCB has been given a taste of Tanzania’s protectionist policy that pervades nearly all the sectors of the economy.

“I think there was definitely going to be frustrations, even though [President Samia] Suluhu is a bit more open,” said Dr Munyi.

President Suluhu, who replaced the late John Magufuli, has said she is open to foreign investments, especially from Kenya.

Kenya are the biggest c%ckblocker when it comes to trade and you have the audacity to complain. Rostam Aziz one of Tanzania's biggest businessmen has been struggling to enter the Kenyan LPG industry since 2015. Kenyan companies have over $1B in Tanzania while Tanzania has only $30M and you dare say we are blocking you.

Mkenya2019:
Lame excuse - war ended in 70s - famine in 75 - dude kenya has drought almost every 2-3yrs. The problem is ingrained communism ideals that still persist to date.

You have to look at the economic state before the war, during the war and after then you will see the impact it had. Plus the war with Uganda ended in 79.

Mkenya2019:
Tanzania Ujamaa Policy versus Kenya cooperative - both were socialism - Tanzania had bad outcomes - Kenya cooperative movement is still a roaring success.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9JKZWgGB5I

You can't say that Ujamaa was the only reason that Tanzania is where she is. Tanzania being were she is, is a multivariable equation with some of the factors that led to this is was the war with Uganda (Tanzania allocated all her resources to the war), the famine of 1975 the nation just came from a war and was unprepared for such a phenomenon (90% of Tanzania economy was dependent on agriculture) and also communism which didn't facilitate individual creativity and free market.

Shma:

Meanwhile, Tanzanians are viewing Nairobi as Europe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj7NzB0cxvY

For those who don't understand Swahili... These guys are saying Dar es salaam needs 25yrs at max to reach where Nairobi is.

Watched the whole video. First, the guy saying that is a comedian in a day time radio show how went to Nairobi for the first time and was impressed by the super highway being built saying Dar es salaam doesn't have anything like that (and that was the only thing he was talking about), the gentleman on his side went on and told him that Nairobi doesn't have propel BRT like Dar es salaam nor Bridges like the Tanzanite bridge or a buzzing business district like Kariakoo in short apples and oranges.

Mkenya2019:
Tanzania has zero potential. Absolutely zero. I was talking to a kenya lady uber driver yesterday and she told me she has met Tanzanian kids (14yrs) looking for jobs around - and when he asked why they are not in school - they said in TZ - after primary education - most people leave school. In meantime kenya has Africa's only 100 percent transition from primary to secondary - and there is a lot of effort to get vocational colleges working.

People who think TZ has potential look at minerals (natural) resources - they don't look at their hopeless HUMAN RESOURCES.

Kenya is good example of what investing in Human Capital does to a country.

Until TZ takes HCI seriously - it's going nowhere. It's another Nigeria.

You are taking a small percentage of the population to describe the state of the whole nation. Over 400,000 students sit for their Form 4 (High school) exams with over 75% pass. So for a boy or 2 not going to school doesn't mean we lack educated people.

Just30:
Yep

Ivory Coast is fast rising...I just hope their tribal political nonsense don't slow it down

How much of her GDP is she collecting in taxes?

mtisQ:

the bolded true but folks been saying that for more than 10 years now but the gap is widening instead ...

I'll tell you why. As a Tanzanian, the gvt has for some years been more interested in FDI that actually improving the economic conditions of the citizens since FDI better translates to GDP figure. After the 2015 election the nation went to a more indoor production and supply mechanism and to push for more exports than import especially for agricultural goods. This led to the increase in infrastructure projects that will decrease overall cost of production and manufacturing and had a positive result on the economy and the lives of people. There for, the expectation was as the GDP figures rise so does the live and economic condition for the citizens. Come 2021 and Magufuli dies. As a nation most of the people don't actually know the direction to which we a headed as a country but after a year or 2 well tell you.

kikuyu1:


We use nominal to compute true national wealth. PPP, power purchasing parity is more useful for national comparisons.

GDP comparisons using PPP are arguably more useful than those using nominal GDP when assessing a nation's domestic market because PPP takes into account the relative cost of local goods, services and inflation rates of the country, rather than using international market exchange rates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)#:~:text=GDP%20comparisons%20using%20PPP%20are,which%20may%20distort%20the%20real

Tinfoil:


If people are not used to paying taxes getting them to start would be very hard. If done wrong it can cause conflict

True. But what if we automate everything. If someone buys something money goes directly into a business checking account and the bank creates a software that caps the amount of money someone is able to withdraw depending on their respective tax bracket so by the end of the month if someone made $1000 and maybe income tax is 25% they can only withdraw $750 and the rest sent to the state, the same way the bank deducts money for their banking services.

RiceProducers:


This means Uganda is slack at collecting revenue. This problem should not be viewed with a one track mind. You should be collecting at least 20% of your GDP as revenue. For Uganda this should be $6bn every year

You know I was thinking about this the other day and it kinda came and struck me a bit. For this lets take Tanzania as a case study. The GDP ppp of Tanzania in 2019 was $150B. If Tanzania was effective at collecting taxes she should be collecting at least $30B per year. Also taking account that 40% of the Tanzanian economy is informal (unregistered and unregulated) her true GDP ppp figure should be something like $210B in 2019.
So what can she and the rest of the continent do for better tax collecting? Going fully digital and ditching paper money for Transactions. And with my rough estimation this could be a game changer for a lot of countries. I did a rough number analysis of the public transportation in Dar es salaam. About 4M people use public transport in Dar es salaam, with Tsh.800 as the go and return fare on average, is the state had a complete digital payment system, also collecting 30% of the total revenue (1USD=Tsh.2300 average) the state could be collecting close to $150M per year in revenue.
The average cost of building a tarmacked road in Tanzania is $500K and Dar es salaam having approximately 600km of unpaved road, they could have enough money to pave all roads in 2 years. Imagine if we did this in every sector of the economy, with good money managment Africa could have better infrastructure at 0 debt compared to first world countries.

For designated marksmen not assault rifles carried by most of their infantry

jl115:
politics?? You do know that 7.62x51 is a NATO round??

Just30:


No thats not what you meant

What you meant was the bullet 1.9mm or Cm exit wound

But I'm glad you are coming to around

Between 5.56 and 7..62, 5.56 has the biggest cavity because of it secondary cavity.

AT what range, cause doing my research it shows that it forms that kind of cavity at 200-250m

The reason is one politics. Every metric there is says the 5.56 is inferior. The US is replacing the 5.56 with the Remington 6.8mm special purpose cartridge.
Go reasearch on why the US adopted the 5.56 the you'll see.

jl115:
the bottom is the exact reason why the SANDF to this day hasn't got rid of the R1(7.62) however my point still stands... The 5.56 is the ultimate infantry calibre for a number of reasons

jl115:
the fact that militaries around the world have adopted it instead of 7.62 and Russia adopted a very similar calibre to the 5.56(5.45×39mm) instead of the 7.62 is proof enough

Read the full article.
https://tass.com/defense/1043299

gallivant:


You can't handle the truth.

I think it's about time we stop taking you seriously cause clearly you ain't.

jl115:
jeezez I know bru!!! Read my sentence and you'll see I didn't once even mention the AR15 and was specifically talking about Assault rifles and using AR as an abbreviation for that.

Ohh! My bad.

gallivant:




Let's not forget that Tanzanian Army is not a fighting Army!

What makes you say that? Any evidence to support your statement?

jl115:
AR.... As in Assault rifle

ArmaLite Rifle, the name of the company not Assault Rifle

Baliv254:


an army with scar H's battles with an army with m16s at battlefield ranges, who do you think will score more accurate hits, who will suppress the enemy, who will punch through light cover like walls, barriers, vehicles, who will penetrate body amour,
who is at an advantage.

Kenya uses all: AKs, M4 and SCAR H and has real ground experience in Somalia , it has chosen to adopt the scar as the standard infantry weapon

Depending on the training and distance. M16 is an assault rifle designed to deliver semi auto shot at effective range of 500m (during WWII they found out that the average distance of engagement was 500m) while the SCAR H is a semi automatic battle rifle designed to deliver rounds at distances of up to 800m. The two rifles were designed for different purposes that's why countries using SCAR H usually deploy SCAR L for other troops while the H is reserved for troops acting the Designated Marksmen role.

And about who score more accurate hits, depends on the training the soldiers have on using a certain system. Suppressing the enemy, most militaries have a machine gunners on their team who lays heavy cover fire. Punching light covers RPG are more effective and are more commonly used. Body armor, depends on the type used. The NATO 7.62 isn't effective at penetrating all body armor and is not that effective against level III body armor.

NTSA:

True .. another reason is because the company that make the rifle( FN Herstal ) has some stake at KOFC factory at Eldoret.
So we basically had earlier Access.

Thanks, now I understand why they picked the SCAR.

NTSA:

SCAR H is chambered in 7.62 x 51 mm same as the G3

What is was trying to say is that the cost of fn scar h is high. The Kenyan gvt should have looked at other rifles that could offer the same type of performance at a lower cost.

Mkenya2019:
GSU is paramilitary - they have military training - with few units specialized - SWAT team including presidential escort and recee squad - otherwise the bulk of GSU can take on many army .

In kenya, GSU was formed to counter the Armed forces because Jomo Kenyatta was afraid the army would overthrow him like many in Africa those days as he didnt have much control. Later the APs were also trained as paramilitary unit.

Within GSU and AP are specialized units - to provide VIP protection, SWAT like Recce company that you saw in Nairobi terror attack, Cattle rustling unit, and Anti-Terror unit.

But are they trained for prolonged fighting against a near per opponent? Their total number and logistic to support fighting

Mkenya2019:
Precisely. Kenya doctrine is not fight with Tanzania. We reserve GSU and APS for such a job. We might fight proxy wars in DRC Congo but I dont see a direct conflict happening. In fact we prefer to trade than fight you.Maybe we can fight Ugandans - because unlike TZ - they are normally led by crazy military heads - but obviously our biggest problem remain Somalia irredentism - and maybe in distant future Ethiopia or whatever will come out of Ethiopia - maybe Oromia or Ogaden will eventually become countries.

If you check all our military bases and barrack - none really is near Tanzania or even Uganda - all are pointed north towards Somalia and Ethiopia - because we are likely to fight with them.

GSU is a SWAT team and do not have any convectional warfare training so they wouldn't be sent to war with a near peer adversary.

Zfree:


Poor ghanian cane rat eaters with a defense budget of a measly 200m can only dream of coming into contact with elite rifles like the FN Scar only on call of duty.

A picture of KDF SOF currently on duty in the DR Congo , donning the FN Scar, one of the most elite, most expensive rifle that money can buy.

I'm starting to greatly believe that the Kenyan military with choose flashiness over practicality.

NTSA:


Kenyan forces prefer 7.62 x 51 round due to it's shear stopping power & range as compared to the less powerful 5.56 round which would be inaccurate at ranges beyond 400 meters
The HK G3 & FN SCAR H ..are some of the best battle rifles .
We are in the process of making The SCAR standard issue for all military personnel over the next few years, replacing German HK G3s and American M4 assault rifles.

If the main issue is having 7.62 type of ammunition, the Kenyan government should have opted for alternative firearms than scar h which was primarily designed as a designated marksman rifle rather than infantry rifle. Galil and Kalashnikov do have good firearms with almost same performance, kit and at a cheaper price (around $1200 per rifle without accessories compared to scar at $3200).

mtisTheQubit:

Actually, it is quite hard for Tz to go to war with Kenya. People underestimate how much we share. The only battle would be an economic one, and Tz would lose tremendously.

Elaborate.....

Biafrarep:


Look at these rankings and where they placed Kenya. After talking about Egypt, South Africa, Nigeria and a few others they considered worthy, they now lumped the rest together, in such a passive way

Check all African rankings based on military strength, and you would never see Kenya in the first 10 while while Nigeria is always in first 3!

Even you yourself knows that Kenya is not in same league with Nigeria, military-wise but you have allowed emotions to becloud your sense of logic.

Rankings are usually provide a partial picture of the real situation. Eg. The US is number one with the best equipment and training but the could not win in Iraq and Afghanistan. The true strength of a military comes in what can't be ranked and that is training and military doctrine.
Kenya is ranked better than Tanzania in that ranking, but Tanzania's doctrine is acting as defensive force and train extensively in convectional and unconventional warfare, so if Tz was to fight Kenya (something that would not happen) their J-7 are better at dogfighting and have better range than the f-5 Kenya uses thus air superiority would go to Tanzania and what would follow most likely Tz would fight in a more guerilla style than convectional means. I don't know about Kenya's doctrine but what I'm trying to say is the effective of the military at executing their doctrine is more important than their budget and ranking.

Joint Tanzanian and US special forces training in Dar es salaam, Tanzania.

Tanzania defense budget just crossed $1B. It has been growing steadily over the years maybe due to the unrest in the region.

lebuhsi:

were the drones used against Israel?

rvp20182:
After meeting the president what stopped him. The Rostam Aziz maybe was blocked by Magufuli...not Kenya. Magufuli refused kenya it's LNG gas. If he was coming to set up LPG - it's free for all.

Rostam joins Dangote - people who come to see the president to start a business - WHY? Kenya is not banana - come to Nairobi - register your business online - buy land or lease warehouse - import machinery - and be in business.

Seriously nobody can block you in our liberalized free democratic country. But if you want favours - forget it.

It was under Magufuli that the negotiations for the pipeline started, Samia just cemented the work that was started by Magufuli.
And about Rostam, if you listed to his address in front of both our presidents, he mentioned that K gov officials have been the ones stalling him. That in translation means that even your own president doesn't have power over his subordiantes. This video was posted in October 2020 way before Magufuli's death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irQnhaE_WIA