Shma2023:


THANKS FOR PROVING NOTHING!
All these doesn't disaprove my assertion.



Nothing dissaproved either!


Irrelevant Question.


Yes. It means a lot. British being a dominant colonists and having the edge among other English speaking nations speak volumes. Look at Africa regional influencers: SA, Nigeria and Kenya. All of them are British colony.



For you to have influence; your language must be amongst the most influential languages. English it is. Unless you're CHINA or GERMANY... Or just a country which has established itself way above any English speaking nation _ UAE for instance .



You can't influence by translation ; unless you're China or Germany who have made several strides Ahead. You see how hard it is for Tz to influence anything? Tz economy as you have rightly put it, is something not to go by. Tz infrastructure is miles behind Ethiopia, talkless of Kenya. Tz military can't say anything in EAC. Tz sports can't hold water in the international arena. How many international events has Tz hosted as compared to Kenya? That is influence.

Okay, let me take a step back for a sec and maybe ask you this. Since you say that Kenya has more influence than Tanzania, what has the Kenyan government done or influenced that has given her an advantage over Tanzania? Meaning that, what has Tanzania and Kenya competed at that Kenya got because of her influence and English? Ukitaja vitano nakaa palee, niite mbwa......

Shma2023:

If you can't see facts from comments coming out of EAC, then you're undoubtedly a DUNDERHEAD. I can't be a SAn acknowledging Kenyan influence in EA for no reason. Egypt is influential in North because we know that; we don't need to go to nitty gritty OR seek Egyptian to tell us that!


Secondly, TZ is a lazy infested country ; I mean this. Tzn are too slow for regional integration plans. Just check the number of Kenyan expertise in TZ for instance. Or, check the dominant Kenyan firms in Tz and contrast with the vice?

Thirdly, Tz was colonized by Germans, Kenya was colonized by British. If you don't know the meaning of this, go and sale your head.

Fourthly; Kiswahili didn't originate from Tz. Going by this logic, Congo is the real deal, right? Deep history suggests so! Kenyan Swahili is more loved across the glove. People associate Swahili with kenya, despite the massive Tz Swahili speakers..

Fifthly, kenyans are more vocal.
95% of Tanzanians can't speak English. How do you expect TZ to influence anything? The hell! You need to be good in both language to even thing of becoming influential.

Sixth, your Economy last I checked was nearly half kenya's. If we make an average of economic dominance; from the early 90s to date; Tz has never been relevant. Kenya has had resilient growth despite climate change and terror attacks! Kenya is in the fore front to ensure peace in EAC! We have more refugee camps than any country around: Sudanese, Ethiopians, Somalia, Tanzanian beggers, Ugandans name them.

I can go on and on.... If your president gets sick, he will be rushed to Kenya before being taken abroad... Or just get treated in Kenya and released home. We have direct flights to Newyork and many places, your bigwigs (including the president) have to jet into Kenya before Catching a flight with KQ.

We have designed Dar! Kenyan architects are the pioneer of the most overhyped blue towers in Dar that has ballooned your Ego.


The list is endless. Tz is nothing.

I think there needs to be extensive classes about economics in this forums so as to avoid this kind of gibberish. GDP is a very improper way of measuring an economy because it goes on the basis of everything produced in a country has to be sold and if its not being sold thus production is low. If you have a land and produce 10 bags of corn and sell five it is considered you produce 5 bags in terms of GDP and if it happens you increase production from 10 to 15 but still sell 5, it is considered no production increase has occurred. But if you still produce 10 and sell 7 instead of 5 it will be considered that production has increased.
Now since we have gotten that out of the way lets make a careful break down of the two economies. Kenya is more of a cooperate economy while Tanzania is more of a mommy and daddy shop kind of economy meaning most Kenyas on a large scale work for cooperation or someone else while most Tanzanians work for themselves and most of them in Agriculture. With vast areas of land most Tanzania make enough for themselves and sell the extra to meet monetary requirements (thats 70% of the working population are in agriculture). With a more cooperate form of doing business raw material pass though various industries to reach the final product and in all those stages in a monetary transfer happens that contributes to the gdp whereas in Tanzania its more as from the farm to the sell to consumer without major processing requirements.
So if you look at the GDP PPP pf the two nations (which is a bit more accurate in describing the economies) Tanzania is 2/3 of Kenyas economy which is not half by any metric and for a country that was still socialist till the early 2000s its fair in African standards. But although you have a larger economy in terms of monetary transactions Kenyas still pay way more in taxes and cost of living is higher thus its much better to be poor in Tanzania than in Kenya.
While you guys take pride in working hard Tanzania believe life in meant to be enjoyed so forgive us if we dont want to kill ourselves for money that when we die are not going to take anywhere.
P.S. Kenyan politician like this grandiose gestures, showing that they are working that is why they are pushing for rapid regional intergration but let me ask you this, If you add Somalia to the EAC and half of Somalia move to Kenya which is safer do you have the resources to accommodated and build all the infrastructure needed to support them or are your leaders going to go to Washington with their tails between their legs to beg for aid?

Kenya as colonized by the British, what does that have to do with development? The Germans lost the first world war and its colonial territories where transfered to the British and other allied powers (Most colonies didn't make profit except for France and Belgium Congo) so I do not see any relevance to the matter apart from the British had more investments in Kenya than Tanzania since TZ was a protectorate meaning they where just overseeing things in Tz and had no intentions for mayor investment especially after fighting a major war.

Language, Second largest economy in the world speak Chinese, largest economy in Europe speak German, the entire North Africa speaks Arabic, you point being what exactly about language?

You asked how is Tanzania going to influence anything? Simple by having translators in international meetings just as the Chinese, Germans, Russians and the French do. You dont need to have the whole country speaking English only those whole represent us in International trade.

Stormtrooper11:


Just because the F35 JSF is a poorly maneuverable and dogfighter, doesn't mean that art is dying. The F22 raptors are gonna be in service past 2060 they're not getting retired any soon.

We talk as we don't remember what happened in the Vietnam War. How the first F 4 phantoms to arrive came without cannons. How the United States airforce presumed that the advent of the jet fighter had killed the dogfight culture.
We're presuming again. We're thinking that sixth gen fighters will change the battle field totally.

We don't get to understand that regardless that BVR warfare is being advanced day by day, BVR is just a part of air battle itself. It's just the first stage. What happens when an F35 misses his missile launch on a J20 and gets in contact? What happens when the missile won't launch because it's close range?
The F35s get toasted like F4 phantoms at the early stages of the Vietnam war.

I don't believe there was any air to air missile with atleast 70 to 80 percent success rate. The probability of combat to only stay at the BVR level is totally unassured.

I have noticed that people are confusing between the future state of areal warfare and how the US plans to fight future warfare. The heavy emphasis on BVR is how the US plans to fight future warfare not how the future of warfare is going to be. To better understand this lets look at the US and Russia development of it 5th gen fighters. The US is banking on making their fighters as stealthy as possible to greatly reduce detection range and the reaction time by the enemy. And from what we have seen in previous wars, they greatly rely on achieving air superiority before committing boots on the ground on any large scale so the ability of not being detected is very important to them. Russia on the other hand has a very defensive oriented fighting doctrine which they adopted after the fall of the USSR, unlike the US which relies on jets for deep penetration strikes, Russia is using long range missiles instead. Thus, Ru is building jets that have great dog fighting ability and some stealth characters that they will be stealth enough to the distance that BVR won't have a great impact on the battle field. Also development of long range AAM to be able to take out large slow targets such as AWACS to reduce the amount of information that the modern US fighters can have and tankers to reduce the amount of reach that US fighters will have. Plus, Russia has a large network of L- Band radars that can spot incoming f-22 and f-35. After spotting the f-57 will be sent and since it will be stealthy the distance untill detection by and incoming f-35 will be greatly reduced to the point maybe and I i insist maybe the SU-57 IRST can make and impact. That's I sometimes get bothered when people say that the SU-57 isn't as stealthy as the f-35 or f-22 cause they are built for two completely opposite purposes.

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Tanzania Air Force in training exercise code named "Operation Dragonfly"

rvp2018:
Very insightful comment. I never thought about it like that. It makes sense. Nyerere of course was a great nationalist, but TZ made it easier for him.

What's happening in Tanzania is the same as what is happening in China in regards of Mao. Tanzania is by far the easiest country with a large population to govern compared to other countries since there is no enough numbers in the ethnic and religious sense to cause problems that a lot of nations are facing. Even when it comes to religion, most of the Muslim population is located at the coast but with Dar es salaam having over 6M people and almost evenly split in between, its difficult to divide people on the basis of religion too cause no one group is predominantly located in one area. If we dig deep and put aside the propaganda of the CCM (Which I'm a fan for. Don't judge me) Nyerere wasn't quite an exceptional leader in any sense. He handled the economy and the nation as a whole poorly. He gets praised because of the political apparatus that he set up in place that's why its very rare even in Tanzania to hear people criticizing him which is strange for a country what has all the potential she has and which he ruled for over 20 yrs being in the current position its in right now.

rvp2018:
Of course it could work in small countries but remember Somali is one tribe/language/religion - and they still fight. So this has to go in tandem with other things. Tanzania has less tribalism than Kenya but is less progressive or developed than Kenya. Basically you need to fix all the aspect - social, political, economic

If we be really honest, like really really honest. Tribalism wouldn't be a major issue in Tanzania based on how the tribes in Tanzania are. There are 120 tribes with no major tribe(s). Tanzania has 6 geological zones (Northern, Southern Highlands, Coastal, Western, Lake Zone and Central Zone) with each having a what we can call prominent tribe in the region and the with a lack of a better word lesser tribes having more in common and with tribes from other zones so a majority tribe to rise will be difficult since most of the major tribes has less that 20% of the population. So for tribalism to be an issue in Tanzania was really hard since the numbers weren't there.

kabe1:


The FIB was formed in 2013, are you saying that it's the fault of the UN that the FIB achieved no tangible results in 9 years?

The had significant wins against M23. But after the death of Tanzanian soldiers, the UN decided to take it slow.

kabe1:
Kenyan Special Forces mobilizing into the Eastern DRC.

The UN FIB comprising of Tanzania, South Africa and Malawi has failed, prompting regional bloc countries including Uganda, Kenya and other member states to form another intervention force.

The FIB had a mandate and at the begining of their campaign was very succefull but the problem with the FIB is that it is still under MONUSCO and the UN calls the shots when it comes to the FIB. The UN ordered the FIB to move from an offensive to a more traditional peacekeeping role leaving most of the fighting to the Congolese military.

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The Russian don't need to use guided bombs since they have the svp-24, a computerized bomb sight. The SVP-24 is said to have the same accuracy as a guided munition. On the economics of things, it is more logical to use unguided bombs that guided since a JDAM can cost more than $15000 a piece while a dumb bomb cost like $2000 to make depending on the country. Plus, the SVP-24 has shown great success in Syria and the Russia is adding it to all of her fighter jets.

lionel4power:
Someone posted this picture a while ago. I've been looking to identify the drone and the country but no luck.

Any help?

The country is Kenya. The drone, no idea.

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Tanzania Marine Special Forces unit combined training exercise with US Army Special Forces in Dar es salaam, Tanzania.

jl115:
They have a poor economy my bru!! and guess what 40% of there imports and exports are to and from the EU!!

The remaining 60% is with allies like China who can opt to import Russian to help a friend that cushioning Russia's economic hardship. P.S. 40% of exports does not mean 40% of the economy.

kabe1:


I've seen hundreds of Ukrainian POWs, some simply abandoned their posts and fled.

I don't think Sweden can defeat Russia. We haven't seen Russian EW capabilities thus far in this conflict, to their credit they have also minimized attacking areas with high civilian populations. A conflict with Sweden would be a different game entirely. They would employ more stand off munitions in that scenario.

We haven't also seen a lot of Russian UAV's in this conflict either.

I also think it is easier to attack a position than to defend it. Look at the war in Armenia.

On the matter of being easier to attack a position than defending it is very true and core of the Russian military doctrine. Most people when judging the capabilities of Russia do so using Western Defense doctrines while Russia has a different defense doctrine to which they believe making your enemy incapable of attacking you is the best way to defend yourself.

Nemesis4you:


To project power on a overwhelming scale US has capabilities

Chinese on paper , in near future yes , though needs to be confirmed in action

Russians it's limited

I might be wrong and late but i never thought that Russia had any plans of projecting power far out of the motherland. Thats why they have a strong submarine force as a determent but invest heavily on perfecting their doctrine for prolonged regional conflicts.

Tanzania paraded the Chinese VT-2 main battle tank on her 60th Independence celebration. A lot on military analysts where actually surprised that Tanzania had such a system in the first place. This reminds me 10 years ago when Tanzania also displayed the A-100 heavy rocket system, the reaction was the same as people didn't know in the first place that she had such a system. Make me wonder what else she has up her sleeves...
1.Tanzanian VT-2 MBT
2.Chinese VT-2 MBT
3. Tanzanian A-100 HRT

jl115:
Lurker isn't even Kenyan.............and nothing he said was in anyway an insult towards TZ but simply a legitimate question.

These guys have been battling out on a thread called "Kenya if far ahead the Nigeria" (correct me if I'm wrong) and they bring elementary school level pettiness to this thread also which for some is a break to the scuffles of the other thread. Everything is competitive on the basis of my country is better than yours.
In this thread i have seen simple answers to questions to which someone points a light to were someone get all the needed answers to the topic at hand but since people bring competition to a thread that wasn't intended for nationalistic pride but rather an update to Africa's intelligence, military and strategic situation is just wrong.

The issue of SADC and EAC is different from the reasons they were created. SADC was created as a way to buy pass and remove dependency on the apartheid government of SA at the time while EAC after its break was intended to create a stepping stone to one nation the East African Federation that's why there are plans for joint currency, judiciary, parliament, passport and even standardizing the entire education system to meet the requirement for one nation. The same can't be said about SADC. Its more on we cooperate on an economic and military level but not so that SADC can dictate social policies that have to be adopted by member nations.
If someone did due diligence to read about both the structure and functions of the two brunches the would understand that SA can not use URT or DRC to move products to Kenya and vice versa.

gallivant:


Don't lie to people. This is the status of your electric SGR, fastest in Africa and beyond!!

1. The train head has the writing yapi malkez which is the contractor of the project, all Tanzanian trains are own by TRC. If it doesnt have TRC its not Tanzanian.
2. The head was brought in to try out the new built rail not intended to be the final locomotives.
3. The Tanzanian trains are being built by a firm in South Korea and the trains are not yet delivered.
So relax, the movie is yet to start.

kikuyu1:


There are some things you may not know about our southern neighbours: Tzns are still communists at heart! They don't understand the function of biz is profit. Also years of politically induced stagnation have affected their socioculture-getting them to accomplish anything however insignificant is a minor miracle. Finding an efficient coder/software engineer/hotel manager even a fkn shoeshiner is such a Herculean task many just head north and find the nearest Kenyan. I've stories for days incl a true tale of a Kenyan woman in a Dar es Salaam internet provider a decade ago when a laptop went missing. A local 'expert' recommended the slaughter of a cat: not just any cat,a kitten less than a month old,grey in colour. It was produced and duly slaughtered but my informant didn't stay to see the results;but I digress!
They know they need us but fear us which explains a very real schizophrenia on their part. Many people,Ugandans especially have called for them to be expelled from the EAC. Knowing my neighbours I honestly don't think they've consiedered the issue!
The latter though have tried to screw us over the LAPSSET oil pipeline but scored a massive own goal they're yet to appreciate. It was agreed in 2013 Ug would send their own waxy oil to Lokichar in Turkana to our upcoming Lamu pipeline.


https://www.the-star.co.ke/business/kenya/2020-09-20-ugandas-exit-from-pipeline-project-slows-kenyas-oil-export-hopes/

A year later M7 and the late Magufuli decided to go it alone. You tell me-who would fund a 3.5 bn$ investment a mere 600 km from another major oil infrastructure investment at a time when the world is envisioning a post oil economy? Ug discovered oil 7 yrs before us in 06 but it may never leave the ground!

The problem with most Kenyas is that you take your old campfire stories about Tanzania and you run with them as if it is fact while not paying any due diligence.
Tz and Kenya currently are more similar than different and the communism you are talking about is just how we Africans have lived for the time of creation, the society takes care of the people. Oil is not going anywhere in the next 10 yrs and Uganda can easily get back the investment they made for the pipeline. Also the pipeline can be used to transport natural gas to Ug, so if it fails for oil it will be used for gas, hell Tanzania is also planning on building a pipeline to Kenya for gas. So stop being short sited cause the agreements on the EAC are different to SADC and there are somethings Tanzania will do with SADC and won't with EAC because of the charter signed. Read bro, cause the truth will set you free.

Tanzania Air force showcasing Air Defense systems and F-7G low flyby

Tanzania Independence celebrations. Army Special Forces in Combat green holding IWI Uzi while Marine Special forces in Black holding IWI x95 with grenade launchers.

Mkenya2019:
When we banned your afloxtin maize - you came back crying. I have done Maize import business - as return cargo in my trucking business - NO miller will accept TZ and Uganda maize. You have to buy Kenya hybdrid maize - blend it - then even bribe to have it bought. But you can sell to animal feeds manufacturers.

You need to have something like Kenya Seeds company - Simlaw and name it - almost all hybrid seeds in east and central africa come from kenya.

Once you have quality seeds - then you can produce uniform maize - in size/shape/colour.

The same with dairy and cattle keeping - BREEDING is everything. Kenyans have 4m high quality dairy breeds - that is why we overtook South Africa in dairy sector.

Start by building a seed company - so you can develop hybrid seeds.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo7wefUZxJ8

But you took and bought the same maize. You the bigger fool

Mkenya2019:
You're not food secure. You suffer serious malnutrition. Kenya will never lack market to import maize from - in fact cheaper maize is grown in Mexico and US. We use Tanzania and Uganda maize for our huge dairy sector - they are mostly use to feed cows.

Fine import from Mexico, we'll just switch to soybeans and export to China or you forgot Tanzania is the only African country with license to export soy to China.

Mkenya2019:
You see how small minded you are. You think there should be equality in numbers of companies..while you completely KILLED your private sector by nationalizing all private companies.

You woke up recently with ZERO private companies.

Kenya has more advanced economy. We have South African companies come here and we compete with them...and send them back home.

Kenya companies helped Tanzania in late 90s after you re-joined EAC - and we moved to Tanzania - and helped build your private sector.

You got jealous as always- run to SADC- and now you are blocking kenya companies - and welcoming South Africans.

I have done maize business myself - Tanzania and Uganda maize are of such LOW quality - they have to be blended with Kenya Maize for them to be sold to millers. It's not just afflotixn - it's lack of hybrid maize varities - so you have low quality maize and beans of different shapes, sizes and colours - and millers reject them.

Those accepted are used mostly for animal feeds.

Tanzania feels comfortable trading with South Africa because they are people who will uphold there commitment and do what we agreed to do unlike Kenya when you see someone making more money you start plotting behind their backs.

Mkenya2019:
How is that land helping you when you're poorer than Kenya that is half your size and 89 percent semi-arid.
Land is a resources that need to be optimally used.
Kenya is freehold - with leasehold of 99yrs for foreigners.
Nobody can take your land in kenya without rigours court process.
This ensure people can put heavy investment knowing they can sleep well.
Kenyatta doesnt own even 1 percent of kenya land - or even 1 percent of kenya arable land.
Kenya is 58Million hectares...Arable land is about 6M HA or 10 million acres.
Kenyattas largest land holding is 100,000 acres in dry Taiva Taveta where they do minning.
The rest in arable areas ranges btw 10K-20K acres.

The land is helping us not starve while also keeping you guys from starvation, that's how its helping us. And FYI, no one can just take your land in Tanzania. Even when the gvt want to do a project they compensate the owners according to the cuurent market value of their properties.

Mkenya2019:
Now, he is just using lame excuse to lie to the usual petty TZ gov official, to block kenya companies from investing in Tanzania. That is what TZ companies do to shield themselves from kenya competitors. Influence gov with fitina and you swallow hook, line and sinker. End of day - you remain poorer than Kenya despite having so much more potential.

Kenya economy is FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE for all. You can come today, register your gas company, and will be in business tomorrow. If a regulator blocks you - just rush to nearest court - get an injuction.

Numbers don't lie. There are Kenyan companies in Tz than Tz companies in Kenya. You guys are just greedy. A couple of month ago you blocked Tz maize on the basis of high aflatoxins while the truth is that your Deputy President wanted to sale maize from his farm so he ordered blocking of Tz maize.

Mkenya2019:
Nonsensical. What difference would a leasehold and freehold make on land conflict? What is important in attracting investment is very STRONG property rights because you want investors to put down their money - and they in turn do not want to worry about some gov officials coming to their land - and declaring it forfeited for any reason.

This is why semi arid kenya is kicking your butt. Basic stuff like those...discourage domestic and foreign investment...and hence you remain agrarian economy just planting maize and beans.

For TZ to transform into modern industralized economy like Kenya is just starting - it's need to fix it's communism hang-over - and embrace capitalism and free market ideals.

The 4 factors of production - land, capital, enterpreunership and labour - you have good expansive arable land that is rich in minerals (youre up there with DRC, Nigeria and South Africa) - but the rest you lack - capital both from domestic and foreign is absent with your tiny banks - here KCB is coming to help but your regulator is refusing. Labour - how will your poorly educated kids hack - most companies would rather hire kenyans if they had a chance. Enterpreunership...with your anti-money and anti-progress attitudes - it will take some time before you dump your communist hangover to see wealth as genuinely acquired - not witchraft.

Tanzania land belongs to Tanzania. Period. If you want to come to Tanzania to invest, we lend you land when you are done we take our land back. Kenya has private land ownership that's why the Kenyatta's own half of your arable land. That's why buying land in Kenya is such a big achievement to people.

Mkenya2019:
That Rostam dude is crazy or like Dangote thought he would get favours. Kenya LPG like many sectors are free for all. Let him show evidence like KCB that some regulator blocked him.

Who in Kenya would even block a TZ company? I mean we dont block strong companies from South Africa, Nigeria, Egypt or India or UK or US - how can we reduce our self to TZ pettiness?

Kenya companies will dispatch any TZ company back in a week with brutal competition.

Rostam is investing in SA. He knows what is required for international trade. He successfully invested in SA, what's stopping him from investing in Kenya? Oohh! I remember its your tribal corrupt officials...

rvp2018:
How modernized is their fish considering the enermous lakes..I think they definitely lead the world in fresh water lakes..huge portion of lake Victoria, lake Tanganyika and Malawi are in TZ..don't be surprised if Kenya export more fish than them

Fishing industry for export is mostly located in Lake Victoria Mwanzan region. The gvt already entered a deal with Boeing to buy a cargo plane for exports. The rest of fishing done in Tanzania is mostly for export.

gallivant:


Listen dumb dumb, it's called trade. We buy their maize and beans and everything manufactured in East Africa they buy from us. From shoe polish to mattresses. I know you wouldn't understand because your country only trades in oil and illegally mined gold. The concept of trade is alien to bonobos hence the 16 IMF bailouts every time the price of oil and gold drops.

Bro, what manufactured good do we buy from you?