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gohf:
you have no business with my humility, you are not my God not my Lord

When Jesus called them brood of vipers he was humble, for our humility is not to men especially those who reject God's word.

I never asked you to be humble to me, but to submit to God and His word, will I save you will your humility do me any good. If you lack fruit will you not be cut off.

If I seem humble thank God for the holy Spirit but it was never for you as well.

Even the Devil and Pharisees could quote scriptures.

But in all, they didn't know.

gohf:
I said you were blind and if you want your blindness to remain that is your choice.

Refusing to see the truth revealed doesn't deny the existence of it.

Alright, please help me remove my blindness.

What does John1:1 say?

According to your bible, and according to the original greek.

gohf:
go away, I was never here for you.

You showed from the beginning you were stubborn to the truth, you avoided it, you ran from it. Did you think I spent time going through the Bible to bring those verses out just for you.


Others will read this and it will be a record that the truth was shared and some believe and some rejected it.

But baselessly as from the beginning you have only accused what is written as being inaccurate and so please do not think it was written just for you.

Just as there are vessels made unto honor and those not so, I used your errors to teach the truth.

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You seem to want to appear humble but it's not humbleness I tell you.

Don't worry, since you have a bible and you won't stop studying it. You'll come to the truth, keep on studying.

Cheers.

gohf:
go away, I was never here for you.

You showed from the beginning you were stubborn to the truth, you avoided it, you ran from it. Did you think I spent time going through the Bible to bring those verses out just for you.


Others will read this and it will be a record that the truth was shared and some believe and some rejected it.

But baselessly as from the beginning you have only accused what is written as being inaccurate and so please do not think it was written just for you.

Just as there are vessels made unto honor and those not so, I used your errors to teach the truth.

Constant inaccuracies, that's what you bring up.

That, I don't want to see.

gohf:
you say, "It is inconsistent with his character replete in scriptures." As though you know the character of God, well if you did wouldn't you actually know the scripture than you random claim of doing so.

Ps.2.11 - Serve the LORD with reverent fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Ps.2.12 - Submit to God's royal son, or he will become angry, and you will be destroyed in the midst of your pursuits--for his anger can flare up in an instant. But what joy for all who find protection in him!

Even David was bowed to as one representating the son of God, who will seat upon the throne of David
Then David said to the whole assembly, ‘Praise the LORD your God.’ So they all praised the LORD, the God of their fathers; they bowed low and fell prostrate before the LORD and the king." 1 Chronicles 29:20

And here is a prophecy
In that day,’ declares the LORD Almighty, ‘I will break the yoke off their necks and will tear off their bonds; no longer will foreigners enslave them. Instead, they will serve the LORD their God and David their king, whom I will raise up for them.’" Jeremiah 30:8-9

But how will you who doesn't understand the gospel and revelations that is revealed understand scripture that speaks in shadows

For God said I will make him a king not a god
Ps.89.27 Also I will make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.

Even if I quote anymore will you accept it, when I asked you what is worship you never answered.

If you keep rejecting the truth, will the truth accept you

You are tiring.

There are so many inaccuracies in your conclusions here.

Please don't quote again, go away. You win.

gohf:
Father God have mercy on him, I submit to you and to you alone so that in the face of those who corrupt your word I will not be weak nor silent but the bold.

But I would be foolish to not learn from God's word and learn from you, who is your error refuse to accept what.

You attack me with no justification from God's word because I said the truth even when you do not even understand what is written.

Your ignorance is a proof of your arrogance.

JW's always have been like the Sanhedrins; they honour God with their lips but their hearts are far from him.

What you're typing, we see honour. God sees what we don't see.

SIRTee15:
Very good.
So U can see from the bible that the FATHER, THE WORD OF GOD AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS ONE EXISTENCE NOT 3.

AT THE SAME TIME THE BIBLE ALSO MAKES IT CLEAR THAT THE FATHER, HIS WORD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE 3 DISTINCT PERSONS.

SO WHAT WE HAVE IN THE BIBLE IS ONE GOD WITH THREE PERSONS.

ONE BEING AND THREE PERSONS.

gohf and janosky, black Jews- somvinya and hackerman, U people should allow the bible to speak. The scripture can defend itself when it comes to trinity. Both the old testament and the new testament speak boldly about the trinity.

U don't need any Nicene council or church fathers to believe in Trinity. Trinity is in the bible, only intellectually dishonest people will deny the trinity is in the bible.

If U don't want to use the term God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit, that's fine.

But simply accept and believe that There's one essence/one divinity/one being called God but manifest in 3 persons of the Father, his word and his spirit.

This is the truth from our bible. Believing anything else is rejecting the scriptures

They always blame the Nicaen men or the translation process for their lack of sight.

Scripture is clear.
Study to show yourself approved. That's the way, study.

gohf:
you say you see yet what you see is a lie, if the light in you is darkness how great is that darkness.

I am speaking life you are writing logic

Yes, it's God's logic/reasoning.

gohf:
but you believe God is 3 different persons whileas God doesn't not change, He is YHVH

I see the problem.

You are having a hard time comprehending one "What" (Essence) and three "Who's" (Persons)

Yes, this logic still maintains that God is YAHWEH or the Tetragrammaton YHWH or YHVH. And that God is one; singular.

gohf:
your bolded let's read it shall we

1Tim.2.3 - This is good and pleases God our Savior,
1Tim.2.4 - for he wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth.
1Tim.2.5 - For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and people. He is the man Christ Jesus.


Yet you speak against this very word and irrespective of your mistakes and errors you refuse to change. God may desire a man's salvation but if such a man rejects it, then destruction is at work within him.

I have nothing more to say to you.

I have told you severally that I don't serve 3 Gods, I don't believe in 3 Gods.
Go and study the scriptures better and honestly.

Steep:
The word of God says try every spirit, on the other God would hold you responsible for turning people away from the truth.

People like to associate God with threats more than love.

Even Christians, leave that brother alone.
He's zealous. Let him study more.

SIRTee15:
Good, that means they are not beings.
So that automatically disqualify the notion of 3 gods.
God is one existence, one being not 3.

Next question

Does the bible depicts the spirit of God as a person or just a substance
Does the bible depicts the word of God as a person or just a substance.

Knowing that being a person doesn't necessarily mean "physical", but having a personality, and relational attributes.

The Bible portrays the Spirit of God as a person with will, intellect, and emotions, playing an active role in creation, guidance, and redemption.


The Bible portrays the Word as both a person (Jesus Christ, the eternal Logos) and God’s message to humanity.

gohf:
If I did not explain this clearly then let God the Father be displeased with me but if I have and you refused to listen then let God hold you to it.

You will not have an excuse when you are called to account the words you have written

God's will is that all men be saved and come to the knowledge of truth.

He is going to ensure you learn, because his will is that you are saved and that you learn.

gohf:
Even if you are taught would you still not fail? If you listened would you not learn.

Your heart is stubborn so can it be helped?


Even when you read they worshipped God as God
And they worshipped the Lamb for who is he and the sacrifice he paid, which was permitted by God.

If you were in Abraham's place you would kill Isaac because God said take Isaac and sacrifice to me.

God forbids us from worshipping another other god because even Jesus the son is not God. God cannot contradict Himself.

But who claim Jesus is God suggest that God contradicts Himself by commanding Jesus be worshipped as another God.


So your teaching proclaims God a liar even when God never lied.

Why would God even command for the lamb or Jesus to be worshipped at all, whether as God or whatever?

It is inconsistent with his character replete in scriptures.
His character has always been not to worship any other besides him, no other, no one else.

God had never permitted anyone to worship anything else but himself, so this would be the first time in scripture as per your inference.
This is odd.

Scriptures clearly says he will never yield his glory. Yet he's permitting his creation to worship Jesus.

Nachmonides:
Neither.

It can only mean one thing, there is more than meets the eye.

Gohf, I said neither.

gohf:
Luke.12.12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you what needs to be said even as you are standing there."

John.14.26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

1John.2.27 But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don't need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you all things, and what he teaches is true--it is not a lie. So continue in what he has taught you, and continue to live in Christ.

But you are wise, right?

True teachers from God depend on the Holy Spirit

1Tim.4.1 Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from what we believe; they will follow lying spirits and teachings that come from demons.


You are wiser than Jesus, than John, you are so wise in your own eyes, like Job mocked, if you left wisdom would leave with you.

What you have said shows why you are in error. John said let him that has ears hear what the Spirit is saying, but you cannot hear because you are not of God like Jesus said.

Haha, typical arguments.

Luke 12:12 and all the scriptures you have mentioned will be touched on altogether.

The holy spirit teaching you what to say will be because you have learned already. So, what you have learned, he will bring to your remembrance.

Who was he speaking to? — his disciples.
What was he doing to his disciples? — teaching them.

The holy spirit works with knowledge, he is a helper, a comforter; think of the meaning of helper or comforter, a helper would come to assist you in what you are doing, there's something available already, a comforter will come to comfort you or remind you with words, words you have learned already, that is available.

Honestly—how does the holy spirit teach a man? : in his dreams?, one on one encounter with the spirit?, by visions?

That's why he said he has given them the word of the Father. That is how they will know what to say.
Just like how Peter spoke about Jesus and he replies that flesh and blood did not reveal it to him but the Father in heaven. How did the Father in heaven reveal it to Peter? — Peter had learned about Jesus from Jesus himself; a teaching.

Peter could not have had any knowledge of the father or communication with the father except by/through Jesus.

Nachmonides:
Either God changes his ways or he has lied in commanding his angels to worship Jesus.

Neither.

It can only mean one thing, there is more than meets the eye.

gohf:
🤣 that is what I am doing and I do it for my life.

Understood, fail-safe mechanism.

gohf:
you speak in error like your father the devil, because if you had known the truth of God's word who the lamb of God is, even without my quoting them merely reading revelations would answer your question.

But being blind isn't a reason for you to be proud and look down on others, after all let him that boast, boast that he knows the Lord. But for you to be both blind and deaf, is a shame

Did I not say God who is worshipped commanded them to worship Jesus, who is the lamb of God as revealed in the revelations of Jesus.

But you refuse to listen, no, why because you have been fed lies all your life but also because you are not a sheep of his pasture, if you were you would have known that what I have said is from from myself but from the Holy Spirit who testifies of Jesus the son of God who came in the flesh and rose in his body and is at the right hand of God who exalted him and crowned him with glory and power.


Yet you read and no life comes into you because you do not believe, so the death at work in doesn't leave you, it remains because you choose to believe a lie rather than the truth God revealed.

For God sent his son that those who believe may have life.

Even if I contradict myself by God's grace I will never contradict God nor His Son.

So, in Matthew 4, Jesus refuses to worship the devil and says one is to worship only the Lord God


And then God commands his angels to worship Jesus.

What I see is:
Both of them pointing to each other for direction of worship.

What do you see?



Deuteronomy 6:13-15:

"Fear the LORD your God, serve Him only and take your oaths in His name. Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you; for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a jealous God."

- He is commanding exclusive worship to himself only

Isaiah 42:8:

"I am the LORD; that is My name! I will not yield My glory to another or My praise to idols."

- He says he will not yield his glory, yet he commands angels to worship Jesus.


Exodus 20:3-5:

"You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God."

- He is forbidding any other worship, only he is to be worshipped.



Either God changes his ways or he has lied in commanding his angels to worship Jesus.

gohf:
If you do not rid yourself of the spirit of assumptions and false accusations it would destroy you.

Here you claim without proof, that "since you are JW" yet admitting it was nothing but your assumption do you seek to justify your nonsense and wrong conclusion.

Only the blind cannot see their own errors in the presence of light. Like Jesus would say, in Matt.7.5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

You are to tell me about bible theology, if I were to speak like Paul who called himself Pharisee of Pharisees, would you understand some were even lecturers of the said nonsense you believe because they read the books of men and taught them while neglecting the word of God.

When you lack and don't listen to the Holy Spirit it is normal to believe and proclaim a lie.

You're being emotional again, please go and study scriptures well, honestly.

Nachmonides:
How does the holy spirit teach you, don't be unwise.

He will use a man, that's why you have teachers.
Even Jesus taught his disciples so they could teach the world.
He even instructed them to go and teach others. Mark 16:15-17, Matthew 28:18-20

He should have said the holy spirit will teach others, don't go and teach and preach.

Don't be unwise, the holy spirit teaching will be through man, signifying that the indwelling of the spirit in a man. Ephesians 1:13 clearly says after you believe, you are sealed with the holy spirit of promise.

Don't be unwise, God will always use a man.
Jesus had to teach his disciples. Jesus our great example showed us how the holy spirit will teach us. Through our teachers.

The word "theology" comes from two Greek words:

1. "Theos" meaning "God"


2. "Logos" meaning "word," "reason," or "study"



Thus, theology literally means the "study of God."


Christian theology therefore means the Christian study of God.


There's Islamic theology, Jewish theology.


Don't be unwise. No one is importing human philosophy when they say Christian theology.

gohf:
you keep mentioning theology like the Holy Spirit isnt the one who teaches us who God is and who the son of God is.

I don't believe in Christian theology, I believe in God's word and in God Himself.

Assumptions are dangerous ask Eve, even Jesus didn't listen to the devil's assumptions on the application of Psalm 91.

Is the Holy Spirit taught ANYONE IN THE BIBLE to be God? No

Does the Holy Spirit even testify of himself? No
None does he reveal himself to be God


If we can't accept what Jesus has revealed and what God has said, the devil will help us and add sugar, spice and poison

How does the holy spirit teach you, don't be unwise.

He will use a man, that's why you have teachers.
Even Jesus taught his disciples so they could teach the world.
He even instructed them to go and teach others. Mark 16:15-17, Matthew 28:18-20

He should have said the holy spirit will teach others, don't go and teach and preach.

Don't be unwise, the holy spirit teaching will be through man, signifying that the indwelling of the spirit in a man. Ephesians 1:13 clearly says after you believe, you are sealed with the holy spirit of promise.

Don't be unwise, God will always use a man.
Jesus had to teach his disciples. Jesus our great example showed us how the holy spirit will teach us. Through our teachers.

gohf:
a fool says in her heart there no God (but gods), for she doesn't understand nor does she seek God.

But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus' sake.

For Instead of believing what is the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies...

So, Jesus Christ is the image of God. According to the scripture you posted.

And Genesis 1:26-28 says

26 And God said, “Let us make humankind in our image and according to our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of heaven, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every moving thing that moves upon the earth.”

27 So God created humankind in his image, in the likeness of God he created him, male and female he created them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it, and rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of heaven, and over every animal that moves upon the earth.”


Could it be that, mankind was therefore created in the image of Jesus?

If yes, that would mean, Jesus was in the "Us" setting in Gen1:26

gohf:
you are talking about Achad not ECHAD, Achad unify same spelling with echad unite and unity when looking at a whole. Echad could be said to mean whole

Now yachid that you mentioned doesn't just mean only as in solitary is also means united from it's root word yachad to unite, to join, to be. And it used for a child

While ECHAD shows position as first, as one as above all, it is used and explains not that God is alone but that He alone is God and is above all.

Echad is mainly used in scripture to mean ONE
even when used in Genesis 2:24 it is used with as well as the word dabaq to signify becoming one. But God doesn't become for He is, so we cannot say God becomes whole but that God is whole.


You shouldn't be teaching others Hebrew when you understand Elohim to mean many gods, should you?

I never said anything contrary about Deuteronomy 6:4.

I, in fact, said Deuteronomy 6:4 confirms that God is one. Emphasizing the singularity of God.

Our God is one, we don't serve 2 or 3 Gods.

Let me not go too far.

Gohf, please look at the original greek of John 1- 14 and tell me what the English translation is.

gohf:
"The word for God there is Plural, not singular." This again shows you need to listen and learn what is true

Now because the seas or the ocean is plural does it mean it is a countable term?

I asked you to show what isn't there and you couldn't but showed your wrong understanding of Genesis 1:1 then how can you even understand Genesis 1:26 that you added

Now how does "naaseh" meaning let us mean there are three gods?
First of the term is used to form an agreement which agrees with oneness and unity of the Father, the word and the Spirit

Now who was God speaking to, well to the Spirit of God who moved upon the waters in Genesis 1:2, do not assume that naaseh is a request to His Spirit, but it shows that His Spirit that came from Him in the beginning plays a role in making us in God's Image

And this we see that Lord Jesus Christ who seats at the right hand of the Father is both the image and the likeness of God, in whom we were created and are now been made and established by the Holy Spirit he sent to us.

We weren't told his spirit came from him.

Yes, I understand it doesn't mean a request, in the way a son (in the traditional sense) would request something from his father.


Okay, now we can agree God spoke to the spirit of God that was upon the face of the waters. 2 beings are seen to be of equal status. No angels here, as you have pointed could have been involved.

How then is man in the image of God if God is spirit and man isn't spirit? — but flesh.

gohf:
When I told you before did you understand?

I will repeat it JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD he is not God the Son or God.

If you can't accept what is revealed as the truth then you accept what is a lie.

Anyone who doesn't understand what I say is because they do not understand God's word, a bunch of bible verses you say, did you read them and study them. Did you invest your time and pray for the Holy Spirit to teach them to you.

The words Jesus gave they are spirit and they are life. Jesus said in John.8.31 - Jesus said to the people who believed in him, "You are truly my disciples if you keep obeying my teachings.
John.8.32 - And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."


If you reject what Jesus said, you are not his disciples and if you are not his disciples then you do not know the truth and if whatever you know is a lie how can you be set free?

Have you asked yourself how Jesus is the Son of God?

By who's standard is he called son?

Man's standard (accepted beliefs) knows a son to be the child of his father, born of a woman through sexual means in Jesus' day (no modern science as we know it)

If this was the way as we know it, of having a son, why then would Jesus have claimed to be the Son of God, and accepted the title given to him by men?

Perhaps, there's a deeper meaning to what it means to be a son?, perhaps we are not to look at it from the carnal perspective?, perhaps there's a Jewish meaning to who a son is?



Asking me earlier, by who's standard, is a trap of wanting me to say it is man's standard so you can clap back that we ought to use God's standard — which I wholeheartedly agree.


Logic fails, if one refuses to realise that God's standards is meaningless to man if man doesn't use his (man's) own formulated standards to understand what God's standards are.

It is because of our attempt to understand how the world works, hence fields like Biology, Chemistry, Physics, man's standards of understanding God's standards/ways. It is simply to help understand.

Nachmonides:
You have not asked any question here.

You have simply made statements.

John used the narrative of Genesis to build his theology and attach it to Jesus.

He connects the light that was called in Genesis to Jesus in John1

That is his interpretation of the Genesis story.

gohf:
I have several translations play Greek and Hebrew

This is what NLT syas

John.1.1 - In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was God.
John.1.2 - He was in the beginning with God.
John.1.3 - He created everything there is. Nothing exists that he didn't make.
John.1.4 - Life itself was in him, and this life gives light to everyone.
John.1.5 - The light shines through the darkness, and the darkness can never extinguish it.


Not because I agree with all of NLTs translations but I do agree that He being with God in the beginning is Jesus and the He mentioned in verse 3 is God.

Jesus was in the beginning with God and God created everything, now in God was life, why WAS and not IS

Why WAS that life the light of men, why WAS

Because Jesus said in John.9.5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world." (NKJV)

And it is this light that John the Baptist testifies of, did John come to testify about God or about the Messiah?

John.1.6 - God sent John the Baptist
John.1.7 - to tell everyone about the light so that everyone might believe because of his testimony.
John.1.8 - John himself was not the light; he was only a witness to the light.
John.1.9 - The one who is the true light, who gives light to everyone, was going to come into the world.

For the world was made through Jesus.


So in WHO was the life, in God and that life was Jesus who came from God and became flesh, and not become an incarnation!


When did God call forth light
Gen.1.3 Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

The very first word God spoke in the beginning

You have not asked any question here.

You have simply made statements.

gohf:
my post wasn't about whether or not angels knew everything, don't be cunny

Is that your attempt to answer or rebuff what I said here
"if only God is to be worshipped then why does God need to command the angels to worship a being who being God already deserves worship. Why then was God and the lamb of God worshipped in revelations. You assume that because he is worshipped he is God, yet even while he is worshipped he is never called God."

The declaration of worship is NOT tied to any silly incarnation logic of yours but a command from God. Whether you choose to undermines it as, "a general declaration or not a general declaration" is a reflection of you continuous rejection of what is written as it regards what your opinion is.

Stop sprouting your personal nonsense we decided to go scripture, so what is this, "The idea of worshiping Jesus is tied to His dual nature: He is both fully God and fully man. As God, He is deserving of worship. As a man, He received worship to reveal His true identity, the God-man, to both the angels and humanity."

While I continue to use even the very verses you quote you ignore them later blatantly

Hebrews 1:6 states: “And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, 'Let all God’s angels worship him.'”


And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says

, 'Let all God’s angels worship him.'”



His saying is tied to the fact that he brings the firstborn into the world

Is it that hard?

gohf:
Nachmonides be patient and hear God's word, insisting on your own wisdom while refusing it will not save you

John 14:16-17: Jesus speaks of sending another Advocate, the Spirit of truth, who will dwell with believers forever. Jesus’ words in this context imply that the Holy Spirit is the continuation of God's presence in the world after His departure.

Jesus and the Apostles Never Called the Three Persons 'Gods'

The word “God” is used in scripture, especially in the Old Testament, to emphasize the unity of God (Deuteronomy 6:4). However, in the New Testament, the distinction between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is clear, and all are ascribed divine attributes."

When you quote Deut.6.4 "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD alone. (NLT)
Deut.6.4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one! (NKJV)




The Hebrew word ECHAD DOES NOT MEAN UNITY.





my argument isn't that they don't just mention it, THEY DONT EVEN INFER IT NOR REFER TO IT, THERE IS NO ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION except in the imaginations of men who twist scripture to cause confusion

I have talked about the Hebrew word ECHAD; one, unity.

Other words like YACHID means; only, unique




Like I said, always refer to the originals

gohf:
Nachmonides do listen, you wrote again
"The Holy Spirit's Role (Not Listed for Worship)

The argument that the Holy Spirit is not listed for worship in the same way Jesus is is understandable but misses the point. In biblical theology, the Holy Spirit is understood as part of the Godhead. While Jesus, as the Son, receives direct worship (Matthew 28:17, John 20:28), the Holy Spirit is worshiped through the worship of God as a whole. The Bible does not suggest that the Holy Spirit is less divine or not to be honored, but rather that the Spirit’s role in the world is often to glorify the Father and the Son (John 16:14). This does not exclude worship, as the Spirit is integral to the divine action in the world and salvation."

Who ever you copied this logic from that, "In biblical theology, the Holy Spirit is understood as part of the Godhead." Why not state in the Bible? What the heck is biblical theology, is sounds more like the teachings and traditions of men taking precedent against God's word, for Jesus corrected their many erroneous assumptions which contradicted God's word just like this one saying, "the Holy Spirit is worshiped through the worship of God as a whole." You leave out that he is sent to fellowship with us, to aid us to worship and speak to God.
"The Bible does not suggest that the Holy Spirit is less divine or not to be honored" and neither does it stay that we honor him by worshipping him, even when you state his role is to glorify the Father and the son, you still deny his role by suggesting that he is equal to God. Even though Jesus says another comforter, of which he was our comforter while with us before ascension, yet in revelation what we hear of the Spirit is, the Spirit and the bride says come. When you ignore God's word for human imagination you end up in error.

"Jesus Never Revealed the Holy Spirit as God

The argument that Jesus never explicitly referred to the Holy Spirit as God is based on a misunderstanding of biblical revelation. While Jesus did not always explicitly say, "The Holy Spirit is God," He did reveal the Holy Spirit's divine role in many ways:

Matthew 28:19: The Great Commission, where Jesus instructs His disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, places the Holy Spirit in the same position as the Father and the Son, implying full equality."

The name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is one name that the three of them witness to, the name of Jesus, it is not about position nor title. Is the name of the Holy Spirit Jesus? But we baptize in the name of Jesus because that's the name revealed by the Father through works, the name beared by the son who died for us, and the name the Holy Spirit testifies of


Do you understand?

I understand you.
Since you're a JW (you have not dismissed my assumption), I'd advise you always consult the Hebrew when reading the O.T, the Greek when reading the N.T and do proper study on the words therein.


Bible theology simply means the proper explanation of the Bible contextually; culture, grammar, location, e.t.c

Not the tradition of men.
It's more like reading a book and coming to a conclusion that this is what the author is saying.