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Janosky:
Awitness41 & Brocab,your fellow Trinitarian devotees disagreed with your FALSE claim using your Bible.
The same oly ghost is giving you and them conflicting revelations

when we say same person we mean both are God Almighty
God Jehovah showed himself as the Father, then as the son, then as the holy spirit.
The same way
Man is body, soul, spirit.
So if some one ask you is your soul part of a man the answer is yes, is your spirit part of man the answer is yes.
Hope you see why we say Jesus and Jehovah is the same person.

achorladey:
@ Bishopkingsley concerning whether they read the bible or not.

They do read the scripture but na to fit their IDEOLOGY and DOCTRINES already set. For example:

How will they explain the below from the NWT dey carry sef

Watchtower of November 1,1917

“A Tribute to the Seventh Messenger.” In part

it said:
The great drama of the Gospel Age opened with the apostle Paul as the chief messenger, or angel, to the Church. It closes with Pastor Russell as the seventh and last messenger to the Church militant. For the other five epochs of the Church, the Lord provided messengers in the order named;

*St. John, Arius, Waldo, Wycliffe and Luther*.

Each in his turn bore the message due to be understood during the epoch he represented.(such messages includes you guess right (TRINITY, HELL FIRE IMMORALITY OF THE SOUL e.t.c )

The two most prominent messengers, however, are the first and the last: St. Paul and Pastor Russell.

Apostle Paul words dey for Bible. What about Mr Russell his books? They are classified as APOSTATE materials not fit for consumption by the same organization he used his money to build and establish.

Even John wey write part of the Bible no get mouth reach pastor Russell paapaa.

Pastor Russell as the seventh and last messenger to the Church militant
Is that not what Muslims say that Mohammed is the last messenger. Lol

GardenOfGod:

DappaD, MaxInDHouse, Janosky

Let's study the name Jehovah, LORD, JESUS Lord etc in the Greek and Hebrews Bible of Jehovah's Witnesses

teach me the website where you get all your evidence from that interliner some thing too.

DappaD:
Thank you for your input but you mean to tell me you didn’t see this part in my post?



Now if it’s about the old/new covenant, that’s a different ball game altogether but the rest assured that the introduction of the new covenant doesn’t render the Law given to the Israelites worthless, after all Paul said the Law was righteous and holy(Romans 7:12), only that we are not under obligation to carry with the same worship procedure as the ancient Israelites did(Romans 10:4) nevertheless there is a lot to learn from the Hebrew Scriptures(Old Testament) 1Corinthians 10:11
Since it forms part of God’s inspired Word. 2Timothy 3:16-17

When talking about the covenant God had with fleshly Israel(Exodus 19:5) and the one he now has with the spiritual Israel of God(Romans 9:6-8, Galatians 6:16) that’s a totally different topic!

this is the question I asked you.
From the new convent Jehovah said which is the the new testaments Bible, who can save you?
But since you are afraid to say Jesus or since you don't like to pay honour to Jesus no problem.
Bible already told me the spirit of those who don't like to acknowledge what Jesus did the spirit they carry in them.
Now just like achorladey said, Both you and MaxInDHouse didn't bother to choose Jehovah’s organization. Dem Don throw Jehovah’s organization under the trailer.
Am so happy that you DappaD, have accepted that Jehovah's Witnesses organization is not our Savior.
Saying Jehovah is the Savior is truth but we that know who this Jehovah is already known he is one with Jesus that is why you see him as a man, the scriptures saying in many places just like Bishopkingsley pointed out, you see every Apostles of Jesus saying, Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the Savior.
Thanks for accepting that Jehovah's Witnesses Organization is not our Savior it is not easy to say the truth in this life.

DappaD:
1. Yes! Jehovah is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. John 20:17, 2Corinthians 1:3,4, 1Peter 1:3,4
Jehovah is referred to as the living God(Jeremiah 10:10) while Jesus is referred to as the Son of the living God. Matthew 16:16


2. New/Old testaments as in you mean the two parts of the Bible or the old covenant God made with the nation of Israel or the new one he made with the anointed Christians?
I guess you mean the former and well in that case, none is superior to the other, the entire 66Books of the Bible was produced as a result of God’s holy spirit. 2Timothy 3:16, 2Peter 1:19-21

This is what Romans 15:4 says on this matter.
“For all the things that were written beforehand[in the Old Testament] were written for our instruction, so that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope.”

Surely without the Old Testament, the New Testament would not have come into existence from what Paul is saying because the Law and the Prophets led the Jews to the Christ. Galatians 3:24

So once you begin to cherry pick parts of the Bible to apply in your life, it simply means you want to grieve God’s holy spirit(Ephesians 4:30) which is a serious sin. Matthew 12:31,32

no matter how much you try to twist it like they say JW lov to do.
Let see what Jehovah want after Israel were misbehaving and after the blood of animals was not doing the work well.
Now if you continue to say that animals blood was better than Jesus blood then I would know how evil your heart is.

Jeremiah 31:31
“The days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.


“The day is coming,” says the Jehovah, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah.


“Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,

Now if Jehovah can say this things that simply show which Bible among the two is on the better promise and which blood is the real covenant hinged on.
Next question.
From the new convent Jehovah said which is the the new testaments Bible, who can save you.

DappaD:
Apart from my brother Max, two other hobnockers replied to my comment but I chose to reply to you because I’ve seen you’re been caught in the crossfire between truth and falsehood.

Jehovah is the only one who can save those who search for him and do his will. Isaiah 43:11, Zephaniah 2:3, 1John 2:17
That’s why you must exercise faith in Him first before his Son. John 14:1

Anything other than that, I’m sorry Jehovah and his Son have no business with you.

I have two questions for you.
(1)Is Jehovah the father of Jesus.
(2)the new testaments and the old testament which is more powerful which is the one Jehovah said is the current covenant Bible.

DappaD:
According to Jesus, the only way to salvation is to exercise faith in him and obey his commandments. John 3:16,36
So can Jesus save those his fleshly brothers who refused to put faith in him? John 7:5

if I ask you what must I do to be saved that is a different question from who can save you. Trying to play smart is nonsense. Even at the end MaxInDHouse refused to accept Jesus can save him do you know what he did he moved to old testament which Paul said is a shadow of things to come and he said Jehovah can save you. I accepted that and he was shocked I told him why Jehovah and Jesus can save you he began to wail.

Bishopkingsley:
No one is talking about the condition for Jesus to save you

The question is simple

Who can save you

Bishopkingsley don't mind them they think that they can expand the question.

Acrobatics01:
Nice one!
I try to respond to you because I still feel you have the wrong notion.
I have said this earlier, if you have a question about me, it best to ask me and not my enemy, of course my enemy cannot give you a truth or positives about me.
I guess someone (an enemy of JW) told you a lot of lies about JW and the GB. Please erase them from your mind. Maybe it's also fine to tell you, that we can have the bragging right in terms of reading and studying the bible worldwide.
There was a time we had a bible reading schedule that esure we read it cover to cover every two years, not the time has been extended for more thorough study. Why not attend our meeting just for a month, then we can continue from there.
Notable to say, this GB you are calling out are as humble as the earth but again, as I said earlier, you have your mind made up. Open it up and good things will flow.

Why not attend our meeting just for a month, then we can continue from there.

Can you attend my church.

Acrobatics01:
I may not have brains but are you referring to the child baptism when the child knows nothing

But I dont like abusive words though

we are talking about numbers of people who are Baptised the population now if you want us to move to who are meant to be Baptised that is a different topic. First acknowledge our numbers are more than yours. But your pride won't want to accept the truth. No church is even saying they can match us in any thing so if JW wants to claim this area it shows how blind they are. I will admit going from house to house on looking for who to preach to JW are good on that area than any church. But trying to claim baptism population shows how your character is.

Acrobatics01:
Nice one!
I try to respond to you because I still feel you have the wrong notion.
I have said this earlier, if you have a question about me, it best to ask me and not my enemy, of course my enemy cannot give you a truth or positives about me.
I guess someone (an enemy of JW) told you a lot of lies about JW and the GB. Please erase them from your mind. Maybe it's also fine to tell you, that we can have the bragging right in terms of reading and studying the bible worldwide.
There was a time we had a bible reading schedule that esure we read it cover to cover every two years, not the time has been extended for more thorough study. Why not attend our meeting just for a month, then we can continue from there.
Notable to say, this GB you are calling out are as humble as the earth but again, as I said earlier, you have your mind made up. Open it up and good things will flow.

my friend even if you read Bible each second and the foundation of the Bible you read is from the pit of hell how can you understand what God is saying. There are multiple proves each day about how they twist your Bible.
God say in revelation don't add don't remove.
That is why you read the wrong thing and end up believing the wrong thing.
That is why you don't believe God is on earth.
That is why you don't believe holy spirit is a person who can speak that is why you don't believe in Jesus.
MaxInDHouse say Jesus can't save any one. If he had said what was in the Bible I would have believed in his message but lying against Jehovah many times shows JW is indeed a cult.

Acrobatics01:
Easy to say. Do you have the number? is there a record anywhere?

if you have brains then Google will help you with the biggest church population. Like I said your Jw can't match us in the daily baptism if that is your vain mark.

MaxInDHouse:
The funny thing is when you decide to take your leave they think they've won the arguments, that's why i often ask them the question that always pains them to the marrow.

Where are the disciples you've gathered with your faith arguments?

Then next is STORY! STORY!! STORY!!!

the population of my church only in one state is more than the population of JW in the whole world. And we baptize children as they are born so calculate the number of children baptized. You are a child a baby in the faith if this is your weak evidence. Lol

Acrobatics01:
Are you also open to the fact that you can be in that position too or you believe that you have know it all with regards to God and Christ?

now let look at the heart of Jehovah let see his declaration.
Hebrews 8
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Acts 17:11
New International Version
Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

New Living Translation
And the people of Berea were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, and they listened eagerly to Paul’s message. They searched the Scriptures day after day to see if Paul and Silas were teaching the truth.

Two things Jehovah
wants to give his children :for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Next
They searched the Scriptures day after day to see if Paul and Silas were teaching the truth.

You must search the Bible for yourself to see what JW GB says or pope says is true by doing this the declaration of God for all shall know me will come to pass
Only Jesus can save only Jehovah can save you. Looking for GB or pope it shows you don't have sense or you don't read the Bible.

Acrobatics01:
Well, I wish you were doing what you had in mind.
I pointed out earlier hat would help you understand the scriptures, but unfortunately, that's not the case.

Heat? There's not heat here. I have been a Jw for about two decades, I haven't seen it all though, but I have seen a lot. This is definitely not up to half of what I have seen while preaching from house to house and on the streets. But, surely, I dont argue when people have made up there minds. The time left is reduced.

Peter walked with Jesus and did not understand that those who were not Jews or Israelite will be able to receive the holy spirit too. So you can be a JW and still not understand that the power of God is still working on earth as it did in the days of the Apostles. God does not respect people age is not a determining factor.
You can be a pope and still not know God too.

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Acrobatics01:
Oh, I see y'all are still having a good time here. Well done. I washed off my hands when I saw it is no longer a reasonable thing to continue to argue with red eyes.

All the best to you

this is a discussion group we exchange views here we compare what people say with the holy Scriptures.
Maybe you can't stand the heat.
The truth hurts hope you know.

MaxInDHouse:
Oh Nancy please stop amusing me!

You that typed Matthew 87:77-88 the last time is now trying to be the judge even after telling you that what i said is "a comprehensive summary of God's word"

Please go and sit somewhere!

I told you once you tell me who can save you in the new testaments I will show you those verse. As long as you refuse to accept Jesus I will never show you those verse.

Barristter07:
May I point out that While Jesus called the Father " My God" ( personal God ) . The Father never use that expression ?

this is the father speaking.

Hebrews 1:8
New International Version
But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.

New Living Translation
But to the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever. You rule with a scepter of justice.

English Standard Version
But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

Berean Study Bible
But about the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom

MaxInDHouse:
That is just a comprehensive summary of God's word!
But if you want me to pick it verse by verse i'll do that!

pick it, no where will you see any hint like that in the Bible. Before you say things of God read the Bible. Because what you did now is a grave sin but because you don't fear Jehovah God that why you lie against him.

Janosky:
When Trinity robbed your SENSE, it is so luminous.

trinity and GB which is actually better to worship among the two.

Janosky:
Matthew 4:3,7,10
3
And The Tempter approached him and said to him, “If you are The Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
7Yeshua said to him, “Again it is written: 'You shall not tempt THE LORD JEHOVAH your God.' “

10Then Yeshua said to him, “Depart Satan, for it is written: 'You shall worship THE LORD JEHOVAH your God and him alone shall you serve.' “

3 questions for Nancy:
@ Matthew 4:10, Nancy ,who is your God?

@ Matthew 4:10,who did Jesus say "you shall worship and serve alone?

@ Matthew 4:7 did Satan tempt Jehovah God?

Bible shows that Jesus is lord and God so Jesus said only your lord God that you are to worship is the same as saying only me you are to worship.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted!

Have you forgotten that your own Bible pass my own?

You that quoted Matthew 87:77-88!

Please quote or cite whatever you say in the Bible o!

What God's word said is clear, only those who believe in Jesus will be saved {John 3:16} if everyone is to be judged according to their past deeds then why was the thief granted Paradise? Remember if we're to go by his past deeds the guy is a complete criminal! Luke 23:41
So what happens to all the thieves in the world that pastors do go to tell them to accept Jesus during execution? Will they also be judged by their past deeds or go to Paradise like the other criminal?

Devil idea below:
Show me this in the Bible
JEHOVAH singlehandedly chosen Jesus for that position and declared saying "do you want to enter PARADISE and live forever? Then at the name of Jesus of Nazareth you must bow..........
I will show you all those places once you accept that this above statement from you is not in the Bible.

MaxInDHouse:
The question is simple:
If everyone bows before Jesus why will some be destroyed?
Please few sentences with scriptural backings is enough!

people are judged by what they did not what they say.
That is why Jesus said not every one who calls me lord lord will enter the kingdom of God.
Now there are two last days one the day we die and the day of the lord which is the last day of the earth and the day of judgement.
No repentance on the last day.
Because you will be judged according to your work according to what you believe.
That is why until the gospel is preached to every one before Jesus comes.
All the statements I made I hope you know where they are in the Bible.

Janosky:
Matthew 4:10 is NOT rocket science.
Wear your goggles see Jesus instructions very clearly.
John 7:16 & Matthew 4:10, is the doctrine Jesus was taught by God his Father.

just like Bishopkingsley said no place in the Bible shows in that verse that Jesus said don't worship me.
But I can show you where they worship him in Bible many places just like they bend the knee.

MaxInDHouse:
So i understand that JEHOVAH is the Almighty God! Exodus 6:3 compare to Psalms 83:18

JEHOVAH is the only saviour! Isaiah 43:11

JEHOVAH sent his son on a mission in order to save mankind! John 3:16

So believing in what JEHOVAH taught his son to teach us is what can save mankind! John 17:8-9

I think i'm OK with that!

Devil idea below:
Show me this in the Bible
JEHOVAH singlehandedly chosen Jesus for that position and declared saying "do you want to enter PARADISE and live forever? Then at the name of Jesus of Nazareth you must bow

MaxInDHouse:
If everyone agrees to bow before Jesus then who will be destroyed and why? John 3:16

Why Will Every Knee Bow?
In the midst of Paul’s exhortations to the church of Philippa, we find a verse stating that every knee will bow to Jesus. It begs the question as to why all heavenly beings and humanity will bow before Jesus.

This verse is speaking of a future time, specifically, when the second coming of Jesus happens. This timeline adds understanding as to why every knee will bow. When Jesus returns, this visible coming will force all to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord. There will be no doubt, no debate, and no question when Jesus comes a second time that he truly is who he said he was.

Although there are people of every generation who have doubted who Jesus was, or rejected the Gospel message, when Jesus returns, there will be no disputing who Jesus is. No one will be able to deny who Jesus is once he returns. Therefore, every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess that Jesus is indeed the Lord of all.These verses declare that, “those in heaven, and those on earth, and those under the earth (v. 10)” will kneel before Jesus and profess he is Lord. Those in heaven refers to the heavenly and angelic beings. Those on earth refers to humanity. Those under the earth most likely refers to demonic beings.

Essentially, this part of the verse conveys in the most comprehensive way possible that all will bow to Jesus, not just human beings. To be clear, this passage is not conveying that all people will come to be saved. On the contrary, it affirms that even those who chose to not make Jesus their Lord will one day kneel before him and acknowledge who Jesus is.

Ultimately, whether saved or not, all will recognize upon Christ’s return that he is the only Lord and Savior.For those who believe, this verse means we anticipate the day when Jesus returns and that we will affirm our faith in Jesus as our Lord and Savior. This moment when believers kneel before Jesus and confess that he is Lord will be a culmination of their faith.

Believers will do this as a form of adoration and an acknowledgment of Jesus as Lord of all. Believers will bow before their King who died for them and saved them. This will be a glorious and humbling moment for believers.

Non-Believers

For those who rejected the Gospel and did not accept Jesus as their Savior – those we consider non-believers – this will be a moment where they will face the reality of who Jesus is. It will be a moment when they realize their grave error in not choosing to repent and turn to Jesus. It will be the incredibly sobering moment when they realize they were wrong about who Jesus is.

There is no escaping the truth about Jesus and the reverence he is due as Lord. Non-believers will bow before the King whose salvation they chose to deny.

Janosky:
Continue to DECEIVE yourself.
90% of JWs in Italy were former worshippers of one bag of cement like yourself.

show me in the Bible where Jesus refused people to worship him.

MaxInDHouse:
For your information,
At the mention of the name of Babajide Olusola Sanwo Olu every knee in Lagos must bow!
At the mention of Muhammad Buhari every knee in Nigeria must bow!
That's the reason why this people were elected as Chief Executive in the places they were given to administrate.
If anyone should disobey Olusola Sanwo Olu it simply means such a person is disobeying the entire population of Lagos State who elected that man in office! Likewise whoever disobey Muhammad Buhari undermines the entire population of Nigerians who voted that man as the Commader in Chief of all the armed forces of Nigeria!
That's why God's word referred to all these people as Gods {Psalms 82:6} but they will all die without a hope of resurrection because the position they held wasn't ordained by JEHOVAH!

Jesus will also rule as a mighty God but his own ordination is not from human source, nobody voted Jesus in, JEHOVAH singlehandedly chosen Jesus for that position and declared saying "do you want to enter PARADISE and live forever? Then at the name of Jesus of Nazareth you must bow!"

Well all those who bow to Jesus' wise counsel will be permitted to live forever {John 3:16} but all those opposing his wise counsel will not have life in fact JEHOVAH is angry with them! John 3:17-18

So don't get it twisted Jesus is just a God and ruler like your elected officials, the difference is that while your elected officials have portions on earth where their authorities are limited Jesus' authority is both heaven and on earth {Matthew 28:18} while your elected officials will die without a hope of resurrection Jesus paid for his own crown with his life, was resurrected and will live forever {Hebrews 1:8} while your elected officials need humans to enforce their rulership Jesus' force are angels so they need not search before catching a culprit! Matthew 13:39

So bowing to someone's orders totally differs from WORSHIPING the person, God got annoyed with certain Israelite chieftains who disregarded Moses {Numbers 12:8} Jesus is the prophet coming in the manner of Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18} just as JEHOVAH will not tolerate anyone who dishonour Moses's orders the same way JEHOVAH will not tolerate anyone who disregard Jesus' orders! Deuteronomy 18:19

That's the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what you're quoting Ma!

Babajide Olusola Sanwo Olu Is it the one that ran out when end Sars was on.
No one bows to buhari it is not in Nigeria laws.
I don't understand your comparison
God states how worship is and you are hell bent on arguing about it.
Just because you hate Jesus
God is saying here that every one including the devil will willfully admit that he is God Almighty
And every one in the whole world will do the same to Jesus.
Yet devil blind your eyes to this fact
Argue with the word of God as you do other scriptures.
At the end we shall see if you will refuse to bow down and worship Jesus.
Devil idea below:
Show me this in the Bible
JEHOVAH singlehandedly chosen Jesus for that position and declared saying "do you want to enter PARADISE and live forever? Then at the name of Jesus of Nazareth you must bow

Bishopkingsley:
Probably an occultic name

have you Googled it.

Kingsnairaland:
Antichrist is he who fails to acknowledge the son that is why MaxInDHouse refuses to accept that only Jesus can be saved.

exactly.

Bishopkingsley:
Very correct, some will read Bible and yet find it hard to see God inside Bible

am thinking of opening my own thread to teach these things.