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MaxInDHouse:
Nobody can save you neither Jesus or any Church!
The only way you can be saved is by putting on the New Personality Jesus laid down as a legacy for all honest hearted and sincere individuals. Once you're able to do that the next thing is keep talking to God in the name of the role model He gave you (Jesus Christ) by so doing God will wipe out all your sins and if you later commit a blunder due to imperfection God will forgive you because you're fully prepared to live the rest of your life in harmony with the role model He gave you "Jesus Christ" John 3:16

Failure to do so there's nothing anyone can do to save you because you're a sinner through your great ancestor Adam! Romans 5:12

22jumpstreet:
I understand your ignorance,
NO DOUBT TORAH KNOWS EVERYTHING GOING ON EVEN 2000 YEARS AGO AS IT DID PREDICT JESUS…. Even Jesus the Nazarene who imagined he would be the Messiah and was killed by the Court was prophesized about by Daniel Or was handed over to the Romans who killed him as a revolutionary because he proclaimed himself the Messiah, King of Israel. It says: and also the children of the violent among your people will lift themselves up to establish the vision, but they shall stumble (Daniel 11:14).
14And in those times, many will rise up against the king of the south, and the sons of the renegades of your people will exalt themselves to bring about the vision but they will fail. If one can say tzvi and bar Koba than one can also say Jesus….
All the Prophets spoke of the Messiah, Redeemer of Israel and Savior and Gatherer of the Exiles and Strengthener of the Commandments. But this one caused the ruin of Israel by the sword and the dispersal of its remnant and its humiliation and reversed the Torah, and caused most of the world to err and worship a god other than HaShem (The one true living God). at the beginning of the days of the Messiah there will be the War of Gog and Magog. Before the War of Gog and Magog, a prophet will arise to correct Israel and prepare their hearts , as it says, Behold, I will send you Elijah (Malachi 3:23). If the NT truly says Elijah introduced Jesus and Elijah in fact came as they claim than a king should of arises from the House of David who is versed in Torah and engages in Commandments, as did David his forefather, in accordance with both the Written and the Oral Torahs, and he enjoins all of Israel to follow in its ways and encourages them to repair its breaches, and he fights the Wars of God, then he may be presumed to be the Messiah. If he succeeds in his efforts and defeats the enemies around and builds the Sanctuary in its proper place and gathers the dispersed of Israel, he is definitely the Messiah. If if if… that’s how we know… there is no second coming on the Torah sorry. As much as you would live to make it so it’s very far from the prophecy outlined in the Torah. if he does not succeed in these matters or is killed, we will know that he was not the one Torah has promised. He is (merely to be considered) like all the (other) exemplary and qualified kings of the House of David who have died. God set him up only to try the masses, as it says, “And some of the wise will stumble, to refine among them and to purify and to make white, even to the time of the end, for it is yet for the time appointed” (Daniel 11:35).
The world is now already filled with matters of the Messiah and matters of the Torah and matters of the Commandments. Knowledge of these matters have spread to the distant islands and to the many nations of those with uncircumcised hearts. They discuss these matters and the Commandments of the Torah. They say it’s no longer in effect and they are confused… But when the true King Messiah will rise and succeed, and he will be lifted up and raised aloft, they all will immediately return and will know that their fathers left them an erroneous legacy, and their fathers and prophets led them astray. And the wolf will live with the sheep and the leopard shall lie down with the kid” (Isaiah 11:6) when messiah comes! Israel will dwell in safety with the wicked of the world who are compared to wolves and tigers, as it says, “a wolf of the deserts spoil them, a leopard watches over their cities” (Jeremiah 5:6). In the days of the King Messiah everyone will understand to what these matters were compared and to what was hinted. Let’s talk Elijah of the NT and see if he accomplished what was said of him to do in accordance to the word of god; (just to make sure if your Jesus did make the cut) Behold, I will send you Elijah (Malachi 3:23). He will not come to make the pure impure, nor purify the impure, nor disqualify people who are presumed to have legitimate lineage, nor qualify those who are disqualified. He will only come to bring peace to the world, as it says, “And he shall turn the hearts of the fathers on the children” (Malachi 3:24). So you tell me! Did the Elijah of the NT accomplish this? If not than you know Jesus was not the prophet/messiah spoken of. So did he? WORD OF ADVICE; a person must never busy himself with the Torah and dwell on the Midrashim regarding these matters or similar issues. A person must not look into the Torah trying to fit a name on the messiah. Why you ask? For these do not result in either love (for God) nor fear (of sin).
Crying over him and putting him up high does not help anyone in this world and it surely won’t help you be more righteous. You know it! One shouldn’t even calculate the time for messiah… they should just wait. During the days of King Messiah, when he will be secure in his monarchy, and all of Israel will gather about him, everyone’s genealogy will be clarified by him by means of the Holy Spirit which will rest upon him, as it says, “And he shall sit as a purifier and refiner…” (Malachi 3:3). So did he?
until a Kohen will arise with the Urim and Tumim” (Ezra 2:63). You have now learned that those with a pedigree will be confirmed, and lineage will be made known, by means of the Holy Spirit. He will not ascertain the ancestry of Israel except regarding which tribe they are from, and inform us that this one is from such and such a tribe and that one is from such and such a tribe. But, he will not tell us whether someone presumed of legitimate pedigree is a bastard or a slave. For the Law is that the family which had someone assimilate within it, assimilates him…. The world will only be engaged in knowing God Then, there will be very wise people who will understand the deep, sealed matters. They will then achieve knowledge of the Creator to as high a degree as humanly possible, as it says, “For the Earth shall be filled of knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea” (Isaiah 11:9).
Blessed be Hashem who helped me not see Jesus in my holy truthful Torah.

MaxInDHouse:
The truth is Jesus can't save you if you're not ready to practice what he taught!
He had a mother, four brothers and sisters perhaps two or more. None of them he can save if they failed to live by the standard Jesus set!
Go and publish this anywhere but don't change the subject matter, I'm still saying it that JESUS CAN'T SAVE YOU IF YOU FAILED TO LIVE BY HIS TEACHINGS!
The only way he can save you is when you live by the things he taught! Matthew 15:8-9

Janosky:
Bishop LIENUS, feel free to console yourself one more time.

Kobojunkie:
Again....Well, i don't instruct or advice people to believe anything different from that which comes out of the Mouth of God, Jesus Christ. If you feel I do, show me this.

Neither do I ask people to believe in me, instead I ask them to believe in God and His Word, Jesus Christ. So I am not certain what you are complaining about.

I believe only that which comes out of the Mouth of God. This is simple !

Kobojunkie:
Well, i don't instruct or advice people to believe anything different from that which comes out of the Mouth of God, Jesus Christ. If you feel I do, show me this.

Neither do I ask people to believe in me, instead I ask them to believe in God and His Word, Jesus Christ. So I am not certain what you are complaining about.

I believe only that which comes out of the Mouth of God. This is simple !

Kobojunkie:
That statement in bold amounts to you declaring the Almighty God of Heaven and earth a fool and a liar.
Again.... I believe in Jesus Christ... why do you folks have a problem comprehending that simple statement?

Ofcourse believing in Jesus Christ is not same as believing in Paul as that would amount to going against God Himself- Jeremiah 17 vs 5

Kobojunkie:
I believe in Jesus Christ... why do you folks have a problem comprehending that simple statement?

Ofcourse believing in Jesus Christ is not same as believing in Paul as that would amount to going against God Himself- Jeremiah 17 vs 5

Kobojunkie:
Now you are simply adding your own twist to to is clearly stated there in the Bible. Paul's letters , and that of the other disciples, were not considered scripture while he was alive. Instewd it wasn't until hundreds of years later before his letters were canonized by the Catholic church which gave you what you call the Bible today.

Stop wasting my time and yours with these round about arguments. If you have something else to add, do so or move on.

Bishopkingsley:
And in John 2:19 Jesus predicts that He will raise Himself from the dead (see also John 10:18).

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John 2
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.


John 10
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.


Jesus is God that why
Jesus said many times he will raise his body up again

It is clear that Jesus proved to have the power to resurrect Himself. Jesus said he is resurrection himself and he is life himself.

The Bible also shows that God the Father raised Jesus from the dead, (see Acts 5:30, Galatians 1:1 among others)

and that God’s Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (Romans 8:11, 1 Peter, 3:18).

So we have all three persons of the Trinity involved in Jesus’ resurrection. Given the crucial aspect of the Resurrection to God’s plan, that is no surprise.

Bishopkingsley:
Any Bible that back up JW beleive is what he uses but when you tell him to confess that the Bible is completely correct he will run away because he knows some of the part are wrong

Bishopkingsley:
The Bible indicates that all three Persons of the Trinity were involved in Jesus’ resurrection

In Acts 2:24, Peter says that “God raised [Jesus] from the dead.” So that’s the basic answer. God resurrected Jesus. As we read more Scripture, that basic answer becomes more nuanced.

The Bible indicates that all three Persons of the Trinity were involved in Jesus’ resurrection. Galatians 1:1 says that the Father raised Jesus from the dead.

First Peter 3:18 says that the Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (see also Romans 1:4, and note that Romans 8:11 clearly says that God will resurrect believers “through His Spirit”).

And in John 2:19 Jesus predicts that He will raise Himself from the dead (see also John 10:18).

So, when we answer the question of who resurrected Jesus, we can say God did.

And by that we can mean it was
the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
(Trinity.)

Who resurrected Jesus from the dead? God did, and by that we mean all three Persons of the Trinity were involved. All three Persons of the Trinity participated in creation
(1 Corinthians 8:6; Genesis 1:1–2).

All three are involved in salvation (John 3:6, 16). And all three are responsible for the resurrection of Christ Jesus.

Jesus is God that why
Jesus said many times he will raise his body up again

It is clear that Jesus proved to have the power to resurrect Himself. It is clear that Jesus proved to have the power to resurrect Himself. Jesus said he is resurrection himself and he is life himself.

The Bible also proved that God the Father raised Jesus from the dead, (see Acts 5:30, Galatians 1:1 among others)

and that God’s Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (Romans 8:11, 1 Peter, 3:18).

So we have all three persons of the Trinity involved in Jesus’ resurrection. Given the crucial aspect of the Resurrection to God’s plan, that is no surprise.

Bishopkingsley:
That is a man

Betscoreodds:
So what you are now saying is that
ideology of Adam, Eve, God & Satan really makes sense to you.

PeaceJoyLove:
Bro, everything in this life is about accepting others' view. Those JW guys failed in this area too. Same with my friend Eviana. And you are exhibiting same. The same with muslims too. They want to impose their own conviction on everyone else.

Now matter how you say you have proven yourself right, there is one thing about me, I still listen to the opposite view cos I want to hear what they say. Even everyone has called the opposite view a failure, I still want to listen. I have listened to JW and read all what they are saying, but now, its noise they are making here. I used to tell people not to bombard them, but right now, I too know they deserve what they are getting.

But see, those who dont talk, I want to listen to them. Not to tackle them, but to hear their side. If you know me well, I listen to atheists too. But when an athiest is the kind showing hatred cos of disappointments. It's a NO for me. Some atheists are bittered cos they felt used in the past. They felt betrayed too. Yes, I have been there.

But let me tell you one thing I know which is right and accurate, and this is what I look for. If you quote the bible like Jesus, I dont care. If you explain eloquently, I dont care.

My only criterion is "tolerance". Simple. Cos in this attribute called tolerance, there is patience. Tolerance is what Paul learned by fire by force. He was brilliant, energized, and highly motivated. But he had to argue his case by tolerating others. I slam people who cant tolerate. I dash them off. And I will look for a point to use. That's me. It doesnt mean you dont have words to say...infact, you as a person .....very good explaining. But when you cannot tolerate others but what you know is the right way ..that is wahala.

It took me time to learn to tolerate others too. Sir, knowledge comes with a strong spirit. You want to curse others for not getting it. Come on! Are they dumb? Are they stupid? You start asking yourself. But if you can tolerate others, you will learn more. This is a big secret that will shoot you to another level. Trust me.

And then, there is one thing I need to let you know. Only Holy Spirit can give one the spirit of tolerance. You dont force the real truth out. I dont want to call someone, but the fellow knows what I am saying. You cannot force the truth out and cause violence. No. God doesnt want it that way.

God is spirit, those who worship Him do so in spirit. How can you prove Spiritual stuff? No way. Only those who are already relaxed, totally broken and
tolerate others can worship God in the spirit. And they can prove to each other the truth. Let two people with different views study the word together, they will see the light. They will get the truth together. God will lead them both to the truth. Not that if the Holy spirit is leading towards the direction which one doesnt accept, and the fellow scatter the fellowship. Lol. See, if any of these people can teach well woth the word and show me Jesus is Michael, Jesus will reveal Himself to me as Michael. But can they tolerate it that it is possible Jesus is not Michael? Nope. Yet, theybwant me to accept their view. Lol.

Ok. I dont need to fight you. If you are not the four sided person, I will know. Cos I know how to do my consultation. But I have been accused of same too. I did all I could do. No way. Let me mention a case. And two monikers are involved. I came to tell Ba.Reeves or so to allow Eviana explain...but he took it wrongly. See...many things even happened. And then, the Eviana I was supporting came online cos she was banned which I was a victim too... said i planned with the person. I was really shocked. While I was busy defending her, she said I was the bad guy. That was when I said no....if this person who had accused me many times of many things I didnt do....and now doing it publicly, I must say NO. It was why I blasted her. And i said...those things which i have been trying to let her know which she sees as she is a god who knows all, i will point them all out. Today, can she explain that Jesus is not Michael? That's the same person who attacks MFM the fire and die prayer church. Lol. Now, her own church has some issues too she cannot defend openly cos the issue is unpopular. Do you get me? She knows she cannot say Jesus is Michael and people wont bombard her. Let her try it na. It is why she avoids the issue. But I will like to hesr why Jesus is Michael. But does she know if Jesus is truly Michael or not? I dont know, and you dont know. This is the truth. We all dont know. Except the spirit reveals it to us. You can quote all you want to...I dont care. They too will quote and counter you. And you will quite again. They too will return. And on and on. But what did Jeus do to satam when they were both quoting the word? He rebuked him. Get behind me Satan. So, there is no point to argue. We must fellowship together to get the truth.

Yet, the church she attends is with positive attributes which I shared openly. So, we are not all perfect. If you check me well, there are faults in me too which people can use against me. Why? All our righteousness are rags before God. So, its with grace we can survive. Why then are we going against each other? This was my early intention. But they would attack me that I am afraid of saying the truth. Now, I am saying the truth...yes....and I will continue. How can an idiootaaa who I take as a friend continuously doubt me? I had to show the person why I cannot trust her also. And I started. Today, I see no good in her. Many things I ignored, i paid attention to. Exactly what she accused me of, she is guilty of. I keep getting many cyber attacks...but I dealt with the issues.

This is a community filled with demonic activities and for us to prosper, the holy spirit must reign.

Even if Max, Dappa and Eviana believe Jesus is an angel....and so what? Let us be realistic here. Does it make them bad people? I dont think so. Even they say secret rapture is not going to happen.. and so what? I just wish they can listen to the HOLY spirit and not to theirnchirch doctrines and leaders only.

Listen to me. There is one thing we must do. We must be together based on the foundation of our salvation. John 3.16. For God so loved the world, that he gave His Son, who ever believes in Him must not perish but have eternal life.

Facts:
1. Accept Jesus
2. Accept Him as the Son of God.

That's all. Did this part say we must accept Jesus is God? Did this part say Jesus is Michael?

Here is my believe....fine...we can fellowship together and discuss the Bible based on Jesus is the son of God. No need to argue at the elementary stage. Fine, we all believe the word and commandment of Jesus:

1. Be born of water
2. Be born of the Spirit (Holy Spirit)

So, no matter our believes, trust me, when we fellowship together peacefully, God will reveal Himself to us. The Word will come to us as life. And we will surely see the truth. Jesus will reveal to us if He is part of the Trinity or not. He will reveal if He is Michael or not. He will also reveal of the secret rapture is true or not. This kind of revelation is private. Holy spirit will teach us everything if we dont allow argument and strife to separate us.

Why? Cos these things we argue on are assumptions made from the Bible. Some are truth, but some parts counter the truths and some believe them. And they are fed in their denominations these things. Or, I may be wrong and the one fed wrongly. It is not possible for me to argue my way out and make them follow what I believe. The issue is we will never accept who is right. No matter the bible verses you quote. This is my point to Eviana all along. She asked me to preach the Bible.. I did. It got to her turn, she ran away. All for her to start pointing me to Ellen White's teachings. Even my teaching was wrong (which I know was not), at least, she should have gained the boldness to preach also. Must it be with what your pastor or bishop wrote? Can you not reexplain and use modern scenarios to buttress your point?

These issues are applicable to you too sir. You just quote. But I need to see the evidence of the spirit. People should fellowship together. See...if you know Christ and someone steals your money, the Holy spirit will teach you what to do and show you the truth. I know the truth to something...and someone was not correct...and I appealed to the person that the fellow should ask Jesus. Everytime I ask the person, the fellow hasn't spoken to Jesus. Thank God the person is truthful. So, the person started avoiding me cos I will ask the questions again. Have you asked Jesus? Of course the person doesnt know Jesus. If the fellow knows Jesus, the answers would have come out. Yet, the person gained confidence to still accuse me again on the same issue. Same person who cannot ask Jesus and get reply calls me many names. Lol..That was when I bombard the person with Holy anger. And then, the whole world is against the person through me according to the person. Shell started saying I am attacking her. Lol. I laughed. Yeye dey smell.

So, relax. Let the Holy Spirit do His work. Tell the Holy Spirit to teach you how to show you are not the monikers. That's all. And if you are, just stop it. I have been accused too , and when they accuse me, I always say....yes I am if I am. And if I am not, I will say NO.

At this stage, if I call anyone a friend and the person pressed me 3 times and the same thing come out of my mouth, and still the person doubts me.....then, I need to cut off the useless fellow. How can you doubt me and say you respect me? It is an insult on my intelligence.

When I was been hacked back to back, I vexed. The Holy Spirit just pointed to where I can pick cyber security. And I started dealing with them all one by one. And I'm not done.

Go....and prosper sir.

I am leaving this thread again. Take care!

Betscoreodds:
seek and you will find so yes it can.

Kingsnairaland:
Interesting and scary

Kingsnairaland:
how are you coping with JW

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ urged us indeed to make use of the understanding we have if we intend to have more understanding given to us from God.

Betscoreodds:
your username is strange do you actually hate Jesus

Bishopkingsley:
they are waiting to see the word trinity in Bible they can't use their brains to see when Bible said do this in the name of the father the son the holy spirit
They don't know it trinity

Kingsnairaland:
God's wrath is what burns the flames of hell

Boni77:
Good one

Janosky:
Was God a spirit when he created the Spiritual realm called heaven?

Bishopkingsley:
Who is Jesus Christ?

This question is one of the most critical religious and philosophical ones ever asked. It automatically leads to other equally crucial issues. Just who was this Man, Jesus, historically? What did He accomplish and why? And most important, what does His life mean to an individual?

The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society—also known as the Jehovah’s Witnesses or the Watchtower Society—is one religious organization that claims definite answers to all questions about Jesus Christ. This unusual religious movement, founded in 1884 by Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916), and now led by a small committee of supposedly inspired biblical interpreters claims to have the final word about the person and work of Jesus, as well as all other theological issues. Millions of Jehovah’s Witnesses believe confidently that the Watchtower Society’s positions indisputably are correct and any opinions to the contrary are wrong.

The more significant issue for Jehovah’s Witnesses and those outside that organization is how one’s relationship to Christ is affected by Watchtower views.

Jesus’ Prehuman Existence

The Watchtower Society teaches that Jesus Christ was the first created being of Jehovah God. Jehovah God created Jesus as a divine-like spirit at some point in ancient, pre-creation time. “This means that he was created before all the other spirit sons of God, and that he is the only one who was directly created by God” (You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth [Live] [Brooklyn: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, 1982], p. 58).

In His preexistence, Jesus was known as “the Word” (John 1:3,10,14) because He was God’s spokesman, according to the Watchtower Society. He is also identified by Jehovah’s Witnesses with Michael the archangel. “Reasonably, then, the archangel Michael is Jesus Christ. So the evidence indicates that the Son of God (Jesus) was known as Michael before he came to earth” (Reasoning from the Scriptures [Reasoning] [Brooklyn: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, 1985], p. 218).

The Watchtower teaches that through the agency of the prehuman Christ, Jehovah created all other things in the universe. “He is also God’s ‘only-begotten’ Son in that he is the only one directly created by Jehovah God; all other things came into existence through him as God’s Chief Agent” (The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life [Truth] [Brooklyn: Watchtower Bible and Tract society of New York, 1968], p. 47).

This Agent, however, is not to be confused as being a Co-creator with God. “The Son’s share in the creative works, however, did not make him a Co-creator with the Father. Rather than a Co-creator, then, the Son was the Agent or instrumentality through whom Jehovah, the Creator worked” (Aid to Bible Understanding, [Aid] [Brooklyn: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, 1971, p. 918).

Christians maintain there is no scriptural evidence to equate Michael the archangel with the prehuman Christ. The Watchtower Society’s assertion that they are the same person is based on their incorrect assumptions about Christ’s creation and misinterpretations of Daniel 10 and 12, Jude 9, and 1 Thessalonians 4:16, none of which identify Michael as Christ. Also, Christians contend that Christ was not merely a created being, but eternally preexistent as God the Son with the Father. He was indeed the Creator, with the Father and the Spirit, of all things (see John 1:1-14; Phil. 2:5-11; Col. 1:15-20; Rev. 3:14).

Janosky:
Even though she read John 3:16 & 1John 4:14, she prefers to type GIBBERISH.

Janosky:
I have given you John 3:16 & 1 John 4:14 "God sent His Son as Saviour of the world".

Nancy, you are proven that SENSE far from you.

Bishopkingsley:
The reason is they can write John 2:1
And tell you we are JW we abide by it now they don't know what that place says or they will not write it for you to see their error the reason is so that you will think they actually believe in the Bible which they actually don't

Janosky:
The Devil doesn't believe in John 3:16 and 1John4:14, God sent his son as saviour of the world.

Nancy2020, your claim is FALSE.

Janosky:
You are very immature.
Nancy 2020, learn like the Bereans in the Bible.

Janosky:
You believe what 1 John 4:14 and John 3:16 tells you or you believe Bishop LIENUS fictitious claims.
Make your choice, Nancy.