tctrills: I don't get you, are you saying the beating is right or wrong? What exactly is your point? And don't play the religious bigotry card because in Nigeria, Christians are about the most accomodating group. But really are you supporting the evil actions of the teachers.
effort1: Are you saying Islamic schools are not following Quran?
What that guy is saying is really very simple and I can't understand why you can't see it. He is saying that the flogging is not about Islam, rather it is rooted in Nigerian (probably African) culture and he's wondering why you condemn what happened at the school, but refuse to condemn the same type flogging elsewhere.
He has said that the school violated the Quran. See here:
Empiree: now you just asked reasonable question. No, the school violated Quran unless you can quote Quran that says to beat unruly students like that.
He even made it more explicit that this type of flogging is a cultural issue that is done all over Nigeria (see the post below).
✓ Quote me where I said flogging like that was appropriate?
✓ Show evidence that the school based their judgement on Islamic verdict?.
Now, the reason I asked for your country and tribe is, is this kind of flogging outlandish to you guys?. If not then why are you guys act like it is new?. Every household in Nigeria is familiar with this kind of thing. This is why I insisted that I have nothing to explain to you people because each and everyone of you had different reasons for condemning the flogging. Majority of you don't care about the students but an avenue to attack Islam and Muslims. Interestingly, the same day this incident happened, the same barbaric act was committed in Onitsha. Why did media turn blind eyes?.
This is why I said I owe no one explanations on the school issue because such treatment in Nigeria is norm. Until you clowns are ready for rational criticisms, only then I take you people seriously. But for as long as you only intend to attack a religion we will continue to drag this.
And for further reference you can check out OgunLaakaye's posts on this thread. He says that the flogging is justified in African culture and those that oppose it do so because they've become westernised.
Y’all just using religious sentiments to attack issue
It’s rooted in the African culture and such discipline has produced the best of brains and people.
Why you can easily use manners and etiquettes to distinguish between people born in the 80’s and 90’s from the 2000’s
It’s fast becoming a mannerless world
When to parties at that age and be canvassing they should be pampered and giving an award.
My daughter at that age in a party with boys , and I had access to that video. She is finished! When I am done with her, she might not attend parties in her life time due to the trauma
OgunLaakaye: I will boldly say it again, flogging was westernized and renamed abuse. The cane works! Holy books mentioned the importance of cane. It’s a tool to reset a brain that wants to get lost. That took instills that fear of the penalty of doing wrong. Now look in this case, girls in a party….? In the 80 and 90’s this was like suicide, cos you automatically aware of the consequences. And now we advocating they should not be flogged for gross indiscipline.
What would you have done in such circumstances considering their age? Many of us could not try it at the age of 18. We knew what was coming
If I go by your logic, 90% of kids born in the 80’s and 90’s were abused. Do you know those resetting slaps our mothers dished on us? Slaps that if you try today, they will say it’s abuse. New generation kids will die or forever go dumb if those slaps were replicated. When our mothers can use just eyes to control us, how much more hand.
That discipline made us excel also, cos we knew failure was not an option
I'd Fight If Any Cleric Flogged My Children Like Kwara Arabic School Did To Students– Islamic Preacher
He advised other clerics particularly the heads of Arabic schools to be careful with the way they give punishments to other people's children.
BY SAHARAREPORTERS, NEW YORKOCT 15, 2021
An Islamic cleric, Imam Idris Olayinka Qomarudeen has condemned the brutal flogging of some madrasa (a college of Islamic instruction) students in Kwara State as a form of punishment by some senior students of the school on the order of their cleric.
In a video shared online, the cleric stated that it is unlawful for the headteacher of the Musbaudeen Islamiya Arabic School to order the beating of the students in such a manner.
He advised other clerics particularly the heads of Arabic schools to be careful with the way they give punishments to other people's children.
He said: “My brothers in Islam particularly those who tutor children in Arabic lessons, let's take things easy. A video had gone viral on social media. The way the students are being flogged is not proper. Islam has not stated that we should beat them this way. Even the love of God will not allow you best them like this.
“The issue is complicated. Even if parents ask you to help them discipline their children, you're not meant to beat them like you're flogging mad people. Even the shameless cleric was saying 'beat them well'. This cleric, this is too much.
“God only commanded that you should teach them Islam, not this. You're not the one who created them, even the parents that asked for punishment for their children, you're the one who gave birth to them, not their creator.
“Can you see that these children are smarter than you? They took the phones and recorded everything and posted it online. Now, NGOs and every other person is calling for government intervention. See how you flogged these students. What have they done?
“I listened to know what they did. I thought the lady committed fornication but when I listened to the Alfa, this dark Alfa that shouldn't even be talking, that ought to cover his face in shame, Alfa, would you have allowed anyone to beat your child like that. He said they went for a birthday party and took alcohol. One said they gave them Maltina, the Alfa even lied. Did he attend the event with them?
“Look at the lady that was beaten. If you flog my daughter that way, I swear I will fight you. Do you know the stress I passed through to train my daughter? You claimed the parents asked you to torture their children. What if you flogged the child and he passes on? God forbid! Do you know you are in trouble? Alfa, what you have done is bad. Some old men and women explained that they couldn't attend Arabic school because their Islamic teachers scared them with their canes.
“If you were to be in Lagos, by now you'd be jailed. A child in Lagos here told his mum, ‘Mummy, Calm down na’, the boy was taken to Government House, his mother had not beaten him yet.
“If you had beaten the child to death, the parents will turn their backs on you. The rest of you who beat kids, you will be exposed.”
Meanwhile, the governor of the state, Abdulrahman Abdulrazaq had set up a 10-man investigative committee headed by retired Justice Idris Haroon, to probe the circumstances around the issue.
The principal of the school is on suspension pending the conclusion of the investigation into the matter.
pacespot: Now that governments have barred all the entry to EndSARS anniversary, which other locations do they have in mind for the event?
naptu2: The event was scheduled to hold at Landmark Event Centre, but the owners of the centre have revoked permission for the event to go ahead there. The event will now take place online.
The event was scheduled to hold at Landmark Event Centre, but the owners of the centre have revoked permission for the event to go ahead there. The event will now take place online.
Some activists, protesters and opposition figures have complained about the fact that Salihu Tanko Yakasai, popularly known as Dawisu or Peacock, has been listed as a speaker at the Soro Soke Summit, an event that has been put together to mark the first anniversary of the End SARS protests.
Salihu Tanko Yakasai is a son of former politician and elder statesman, Tanko Yakasai, who was active in the politics of the First Republic, served as a commissioner in the military government of Kano State in the 1970s and was special adviser on National Assembly affairs to President Shehu Shagari.
The younger Yakasai (Dawisu) was until recently a special adviser on media to Kano State governor, Dr Abdullahi Umar Ganduje. He was suspended from office last year for criticising President Muhammadu Buhari's handling of the End SARS protests. He was reinstated a few days later, but he was eventually dismissed and arrested by the DSS in February this year for once again criticising President Buhari over the security situation in Northern Nigeria (this was after some school children were kidnapped by bandits).
The activists believe that Dawisu should not be allowed to speak at the event because he spoke on behalf of the government until very recently. They believe that it will set a bad precedent if someone who was on the side of the government so recently, is given a platform and validated by opposition figures. The complaints were so much that the name "Dawisu" trended on Nigerian Twitter yesterday night and this morning. Here are screenshots of their reactions.
Sir David Amess: Police declare murder of Conservative MP a terrorist incident
The Metropolitan Police says the early investigation has revealed "a potential motivation linked to Islamist extremism".
Sharon Marris Saturday 16 October 2021 02:54, UK
The fatal stabbing of Conservative MP Sir David Amess has been declared as a terrorist incident, police say.
Sir David, who represented Southend West in Essex, was stabbed on Friday afternoon during a surgery at Belfairs Methodist Church in Leigh-on-Sea.
Police officers and paramedics tried to save him but he died at the scene.
The Metropolitan Police said that the early investigation had revealed "a potential motivation linked to Islamist extremism".
The Met said the incident had formally been declared as terrorism by Senior National Coordinator for Counter Terrorism Policing, Deputy Assistant Commissioner Dean Haydon.
A 25-year-old man - understood to be a Briton with Somali heritage - was arrested on suspicion of murder.
He is in custody at an Essex police station.
Police said in the early hours of Saturday that they are not seeking anyone else in connection with Sir David's death but inquiries are continuing.
Two properties were also being searched in London as part of the investigation, they added.
Earlier on Friday, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge were among those to express "shock and sadness" following Sir David's death.
The father-of-five had been an MP for 38 years, and while he never held a ministerial role, he was known as someone who took on the causes of his constituents.
He was socially conservative, an early Eurosceptic, and a campaigner for animal rights and against fuel poverty.
He also spent years raising awareness of endometriosis after being approached by a constituent who suffered from the painful condition.
The 69-year-old is the second MP killed in their own constituency in little more than five years, following the 2016 murder of Labour's Jo Cox.
Home Secretary Priti Patel has asked all police forces to immediately review security arrangements for MPs, while House of Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle has also pledged to "examine" safety measures.
He told Sky News that he had gone ahead with his own constituency surgery on Friday, despite the news of Sir David's death.
"Nothing will stop democracy, nothing will stop us carrying out our duties," Sir Lindsay said.
In 2003 a Swedish minister, Anna Lindh, was stabbed to death while she was shopping at a department store. The minister was trying to buy clothes to wear at a televised debate that she was scheduled to take part in later that night.
In 2016 a British MP, Joe Cox, was stabbed to death outside a library where she was about to meet with her constituents.
Education › Re: I'd Fight If Anyone Flogged My Children Like Kwara Students - Islamic Preacher by naptu2(op): 4:47am On Oct 17, 2021
