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The parade commander invites the two presidents to inspect the guard of honour during welcoming ceremonies at The Great Hall of The People.

About 45 minutes ago at The Great Hall of The People.

1) The Nigerian and Chinese presidents inspect the guard of honour.

2) The Nigerian and Chinese presidents receive the national salute.

supaeagles: while that is true, they should at least send somebody bigger than the houseboy to receive our leader

Usually the dignitary is received by the minister of state for foreign affairs (equivalent of the chinese assistant foreign minister), the foreign affairs minister or the vice president (Obama was received by the vice president). However, Obasanjo once sent the permanent secretary in the foreign affairs ministry to receive a head of state.

But it doesn't really matter. I'm sure Goodluck Jonathan will inspect the guard of honour, receive the national salute and 21 gun salute and see the chinese president at the Great Hall of The People.

Babangida staged welcoming ceremonies at State House Marina (the dignitary would be received at the airport by the foreign minister or the Chief of General Staff).

The Queen often holds welcoming ceremonies at Victoria Station or Buckingham Palace.

It happens all the time. Not all welcoming ceremonies are held at the airport. Obama's welcoming ceremony in China was not held at the airport.

I think in China it's usually held at the Great Hall of The People (or something like that).

Ola Johnson: Each time I'm sent a private mail, what I see is :" . . . would like to send you an email message, but since you're not connected, you'll need to contact . . . to reply this email." What connection are they talking about?

CONNECTIONS.

1) You need to follow the person and get the person to follow you back in order to send an e-mail to the person.

2) Send an e-mail with the following text in it to the person:

" . . . would like to send you an email message, but since you're not connected, you'll need to contact . . . to reply this email."

You can then e-mail the person once he replies your e-mail.

Horus: What about the future of transportation in Lagos?

Parts of that are already there (the cable car system hasn't been built yet) and there was more in the draft that got lost (trams at Eko Atlantic and on the 4th Mainland Bridge, etc).

By the way, I forgot to answer your other question. We operated the 1989 constitution between 1991-1993. I still have a copy of the constitution (a yellow booklet).

kutchs: Under which constitution did that diarchy operate? You just described what we had aptly as diarchy and not republic, so where‘s the confusion? The millitary has no business in a republic, that‘s why I disagree we had a republic then. The 3rd republic started in 1999 and is ongoing.

Oh! Ok, the point of difference is in the definition. There are many definitions of the word republic.

1) A country in which the head of state is not a monarch.

2) A country in which the head of state is bears the title "President" (a king rules a kingdom, a prince rules a principality and a president governs a republic).

3) A country in which the leaders are elected by the people.

I see you subscribe to the 3rd definition.

kutchs: And you conviniently overlooked the 4th republic reference in the post you quoted. Is that how cunning you are? Nobody is saying that Stella is the best ever but in relation to the 4th republic (I believe this should be 3rd republic as we never had a 3rd before now) she has done a lot to deserve the ‘best‘ tag. Anyway the Works and Agriculture Ministers will have a lot to say there.
So dear sis, read and understand b4 commenting, don‘t be in a haste to criticize.

3rd republic = 1991-1993. It was a diarchy (military and civilian). We had a military president and elected National Assembly, state governors and local government councils.

Iyorcha Ayu was senate president, Agunwa Anekwe was the speaker of the House of Representatives, Sir Michael Otedola was Lagos State Governor, etc.

ITbomb: Is like this whole argument is coming down to 'since the almighty US President does not wear Military uniform so Nigerian President should not'.
You may not know other countries that are watching quietly and say 'ok, since the Nigerian President wears a military uniform then let's try it as well.'
We can pioneer something, let's not wait till we see others do it first.

+100

This is a very interesting article that looks at the issue from both sides. It's also got pictures of lots of democratically elected heads of state who have worn military uniforms. I didn't want to post it earlier out of fear of the anti-spam bot. The link will be in my next post and I'll post the pictures when I'm free.

http://www.filibustercartoons.com/pictessays_leaders_democ.php

Lol. We agree to disagree.

[size=14pt]Governor-General embraces military uniform[/size]

Bill Curry

Ottawa — From Thursday's Globe and Mail

Last updated Thursday, Aug. 23 2012, 12:23 PM EDT

Governor-General Michaëlle Jean and Prince Charles lay wreaths during Remembrance Day services at the National War Memorial in Ottawa. (Adrian Wyld/The Canadian Press)

Michaëlle Jean stood at the National War Memorial Wednesday in full army uniform, the first time in her four years as Governor-General that she'd worn military garb to Remembrance Day ceremonies.

It was a senior Canadian Forces official working on leave at Rideau Hall who convinced her earlier this year that donning an army uniform would be a fitting way to show respect for the men and women under her formal command, the Governor-General's office said. And now she in intends to wear one to all major military events.

Ms. Jean's sudden embrace of the Forces uniform is in keeping with other developments this week that further cement the military at the heart of Canada's identity - from new Sacrifice Medals for killed or wounded soldiers to new citizenship questions announced by the Conservative government.

"For the Governor-General, wearing the uniform is a way of paying tribute to the Canadian Forces," said Marthe Blouin, a spokesperson for Ms. Jean.

She has every right to do so as commander-in-chief of the Canadian Forces. The uniform was created for former governor-general Edward Schreyer, and on the shoulder substitutes the governor-general's office insignia for a formal military rank. The tradition had been abandoned by Ms. Jean's two predecessors, Romeo LeBlanc and Adrienne Clarkson.

Commander Hubert Genest, a spokesman for the Forces, said he was not aware of any request made to Ms. Jean regarding uniforms. However, he said he was pleased to see her in uniform for Remembrance Day.

"I think it's great," he said.

The country's eight years of fighting in Afghanistan - including the deaths of 133 soldiers, two aid workers and a diplomat - have heightened Canadians' awareness of the Forces' role. Remembrance Day in Ottawa is Canada's most solemn national gathering, but after the tears were shed and the last cannon fired, many of the military men and women surrounding the National War Memorial beamed at the massive show of public appreciation.

Chief of the Defence Staff Walter Natynczyk, after completing a tour of events tied to Remembrance Day, told The Globe and Mail he was struck by the rise in support among Canadians. He pointed to the large turnout in Toronto on Tuesday night for the True Patriot Love Foundation charity event - attended by Prime Minister Stephen Harper - to raise money for Canadian military families in need.

"This truly is the culmination of an emotional week," he said after Wednesday's ceremony. He said a new phrase is popping up to describe the generation of soldiers with experience in Afghanistan. "I heard a term from a warrant officer [at CFB Petawawa]talking about 'the new veterans.' "

General Natynczyk said Canadians now better understand the Forces' international role. "I think we've come a long way since the ice storm and the floods," he said. "People realize our functions at home, but also they're realizing that what we're doing abroad - in places like Afghanistan, or Congo or aboard HMCS Fredericton on the Horn of Africa - is we are defending Canada from 10,000 kilometres away."

Thousands of Canadians gathered in the bright sun around the cenotaph at the centre of Ottawa. The monument was first unveiled by King George VI in 1939 to commemorate Canada's response to the First World War. References to the Second World War and the Korean War weren't added until 1982, expanding the cenotaph's meaning to include all those who served Canada in times of war.

Prince Charles, George VI's grandson, was at Ms. Jean's side in Ottawa, also wearing a green Canadian Forces army uniform as lieutenant-general of all three services of the Canadian Forces.

Parker Kennedy, who was visiting Ottawa from Halifax, said the size of the crowd at the monument was spectacular. "It's great to see the turnout. It's great to see the Prince of Wales here. … I think [the Afghanistan mission] has brought a great awareness to us Canadians who didn't live through either of the great wars or the Korea War."

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/governor-general-embraces-military-uniform/article4294310/?service=mobile

wow! Canada is a "banana republic" !

Ramadan Kareem!

I'm off to search for that picture of the Governor General of Canada. I really hope someone has posted it online.

Do you know that the Brigade of Guards is the only unit of the Nigerian Army that has it's own distinct command structure (independent of the army)?

The Chief of Army Staff has operational command of all the units of the army except the Brigade of Guards. The Commander of the Brigade of Guards takes his orders from the President.

That's why during the 1990 coup (will I ever forget that coup), the commander pointedly asked General Abacha "where is the President" when Abacha issued instructions to him while he was trying to regain control. Sani Abacha had to send his son, Ibrahim, and some guards to bring Babangida to Flag Staff House.

Some people were alarmed that units of the Brigade of Guards were deployed when Yar'Adua returned from Saudi Arabia. They blamed the Chief of Army Staff, General Dambazzau for the deployment. The truth is that Dambazzau might not have had anything to do with it. Yar'Adua's ADC, Colonel Mustapha Onoyivetta might have called the Brigade of Guards Commander and informed him that the Commander in Chief was on his way back and needed security. The Chief of Army Staff does not have operational control of the BOG.

[size=14pt]Governor General of Canada as Commander in Chief.[/size]

You asked and I shall oblige, though God may still punish me for what I've done to my library. The uniforms below are not the uniforms I would have liked to show. In the 1980s I had a book with a picture of the governor general in a fantastic military uniform. He was seated on the throne. It was amazing.

[size=14pt]Wearing the Canadian Forces Uniforms[/size]

As Commander-in-Chief of Canada, the governor general may, in this capacity, wear the uniform at events.

The Canadian Forces Publication (CFP) which regulates the wear of military uniforms for the Governor General is CFP 265, the Canadian Forces Dress Instructions manual.

The governor general wears a flag/general officer uniform with special flag/general sleeve braid, embellished with the governor general’s badge, and a large embroidered governor general’s badge on the shoulder straps or boards.

A number of Canadian governors general have worn the military uniform including Vincent Massey (1952-59), Georges P. Vanier (1959-1967), Roland Michener (1967-1974), Edward Schreyer (1979-1984), Jeanne Sauvé (1984-1990) Ramon Hnatyshyn (1990-1995) and Michaëlle Jean (2005-2010)

http://www..ca/document.aspx?id=14616

His Excellency, The Governor General of Canada, David Johnston. (Question: is Canada a "banana republic" ? )

debetmx: @ naptu, kindly revive this thread with new stories pls. God bless you

Thanks. I still have a lot more to post, but I'm constrained by time.

[quote author=N_girl]WOW!
@naptu2; thanks! [/quote]Thank you

Symphony007: President abraham lincoln visited his troops during the civil war and the generals were urging him to wear military uniform before he addressed the troops. And he said.
"i am your commander in chief but i am not part of you. I represent the millions of civilian americans when i command you so how does it bode constitutionally if i dress like you? If i had serve in your distinguished ranks, i would have considered it but it's in bad taste to brandish this uniform great men have died for on me because i won an election"....enought said all. Jonathan and his defense minister better stop this banana republic mentality, generalissimo goodluck jonathan.

What do you mean by "banana republic mentality"? Each sovereign nation is free to choose its traditions, ceremonies and values. It does not have to follow the traditions, ceremonies and values of another. Doing that would be what Fela called "colo mentality".

[quote author=Symphony007][/quote]Why didn't you make any comment about Zik's uniform?

Symphony007: what is a salute? Anybody can salute. We are talking about uniform. And no u.s president who has'nt served is insensitive enough wear a uniform with decoration, men have died for because he played good politics and was elected president.

That is a military salute.

Symphony007: sir james roberton is not wearing military uniform. He is wearing the official atire of the representative of the british monarch(governor general). Note the feathered hat. He is wearing his sash an officer of the british empire(OBE) and the medals on his chest are not military but coronation,anniversary and jubilee medals presented to him and other governor generals by queen elizabeth ii and king george vi. Show me a pic of quentin bryce, gov gen of australia or david johnson of canada wearing a military atire.

1) That's a military uniform. Note the exchange of salutes between him and Prince Philip in the video below.

2) The decoration worn by the President Goodluck Jonathan is hiss GCFR medal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e75cgmKEF0

[quote author=N_girl]NICE!!! [/quote]Thanks very much

Goodluck Jonathan in the uniform of an admiral of the fleet.
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Goodluck Jonathan in the uniform of a marshal of the air force.
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Goodluck Jonathan in the uniform of a Field Marshall (note that the Minister of Defence, Erelu Obada, is also in uniform, but her uniform has no ranks).
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From last year's argument.

naptu2: This has been the practice of civilian and military heads of state of Nigeria, right from the first republic.

The head of state belongs to all Nigerians. When the head of state visits a state (state visit as opposed to working visit) he usually wears the host state's traditional attire. This is done for the psychological effect of showing affinity with the people of the state.

Similarly, the commander in chief belongs to all arms of the armed forces. When he performs his military role as commander in chief (eg, presenting colours, overseeing military exercises, reviewing parades), he could wear the uniform of any of the armed services.

For this reason, Nnamdi Azikiwe wore military uniforms (see pic above). Yakubu Gowon, an army general, wore the uniform of a navy admiral. Ibrahim Babangida, an army general, wore the uniform of a navy admiral (I think this was @ the 1987 independence day parade) and the uniform of an air force marshal (at another event). General Abubakar also wore the uniform of an admiral. Shehu Shagari and Olusegun Obasanjo (both civilian presidents) have also worn military uniforms.

The only case that I still do not understand is the case of Sir Winston Spencer Churchill. He had retired from the armed forces before going into politics. He was never commander in chief (a position reserved for the monarch), yet I've seen pictures of him in military uniform when he was prime minister during World War Two. I hope someone can explain this to me.

Besides, it's not only civilian presidents that wear military uniforms. I've seen vice presidents, ministers of defence, state governors, etc wear military uniforms. The difference though, is that the uniforms of the others have no ranks on them. The (civilian) Commander in Chief always wears the uniform of a 5 star general.

I watched the 1986 independence day parade. The service chiefs (Abacha, Koshoni and Alfa) entered the arena and received the general salute. Then General Bali entered the arena and received his salute. The next motorcade entered the arena and we obviously thought that it was Commodore Ukiwe's motorcade. I looked through the window and saw a man in a navy uniform. It wasn't Ukiwe, it was Major General Babangida in the uniform of a rear admiral. He is the commander in chief, so he can wear the uniform of any of the armed forces!

General Gowon also wore a naval uniform on independence day.

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(From memory while I search for the link).

President Ronald Reagan had served in the military, so he knew of the problem that military personnel had in determining when to end a salute to the President (usually you wait for your superior to finish saluting before ending your salute). He asked the Commander of the Marine Corp if he could return the troops salute. The Commander said, Mr President, you are the Commander in Chief and you can salute anyone you want to salute.

Usually, armed forces personnel only salute when they are in uniform, so the president asked if it would still be ok for him to salute. The commander replied that the "President's uniform" (that is, the blue suit, white shirt and red tie) could be considered as his uniform.

Every US president since then has returned the salute. Barrack Obama was recently criticised for shaking armed forces personnel, rather than saluting them (he forgot).

The Princess Royal, Princess Anne.

Note that Princess Anne never served in the armed forces and she is not even the commander in chief.