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Esss: I just thought to point out the highlighted..

Why is there such a rule for Islam and none for Christianity?! So I can go into a Christian thread ad say 'Mary the mother of Jesus was a 'hoe'" and get away with it because its in the christian section.. But I can go into the 'Muslim section and say Prophet Mohammed was a child molester and wife beater'.. Hmmmm!! Double standards in play here.

I think whoever wrote these rules is a person! No offense. [/b]

Why =

1) Someone writes Seun telling him that, although he is doing a good job with nairaland, he is the only identifiable member of nairaland and that, with the way people are saying offensive things about nairaland, someone might put a fatwa on his head.

2) Seun bans the use of the words islam, muslim and any discussion of islam on nairaland.

3) Nairalanders protest against the ban (that it would be discrimination against good muslims who want to discuss their religion) and come up with alternatives. Someone says that Seun should hide any comment that's offensive to islam. Seun asks, "how would I know what's offensive to islam? I'm not a muslim."

4) Someone else suggests that a section that's exclusively for muslims should be created. Non-muslims and those who are against islam should not go there. That will be the only place where islam is discussed.

5) Questions arose: how would you know who is a muslim and who isn't? How would you know what's offensive and what isn't? The final solution was to make a known muslim the moderator of that section.

To be continued. . . .

dominique: I sometimes think of the pioneers of nl like hot angel, z4m4ever, rhodalyn, chxta, snazzydawn etc and wonder what they're up to now. Odunnu and Chaircover have also been AWOL since last month, hope they're ok sha.

Snazzydawn's on twitter.

aceTS: nobody is saying nairaland would not survive. all we are saying is some of the rules are ridiculous.imagine stopping peeps using pidgin english.the jokes section is powered by it.....n the front page is fun becos of the variety in language

Yes. Seun made the language rule, then someone protested against it (circa 2006), so he downgraded it to an advice. The point is that for the forum to work properly (as a discussion forum), people need to be able to understand what you are saying. But I do agree that it should be an advice/suggestion and not a rule.

yuzedo: Good eglish? Oh god am I troble. Seun have brake my hat! Am cryin in to my espensive mowet shampain in my Banana Island mansion. Good buy niaraland becose I know dey will banned me for ever soon. Not even 7 sweet babe can comeforth me. Am dis trut.


Well, this-regad d last statment, can 7 sweet babe PM me so I confam if I can be come foted or nut!

And this is one of the funniest things I've seen on nairaland. Taks heart bro.

mathskill: Typical Nigerian,u r given new rules and regulations n all u can think of is suggest that he is imposing commands on u. U even have the audacity to demand an apology n to actually think some even liked ur post goes to show the number of underage and un-matured pple accessing this forum.Infact u r d kind that seun is supposed enforce a ban on.Silly very silly indeed.

Even if they create a new site, there'll still be rules, because they'll have to enforce rules on the new site. The wider world has rules and even nairaland will have to obey them.

crusufixo: Please help me tell them oh !!!!!. Dont know wat the fuss is all about, insulting the dude anyhow. I just dont get this insults on this guy, a ah !!!

I doubt that the insults will bother him. He has seen it all before. This is just another chapter in a long running story.

There was once a time when Seun was the sole mod. People kept breaking the rules and Seun couldn't enforce them. Things got so bad that he had to shut the site down for a day or so. Then Muki volunteered to moderate the site.

There was almost a riot when Seun introduced the word filter (again people threatened to leave the site).

People threatened to leave when Seun banned some popular stock market analysts.

Someone even created a website with a similar name (I won't mention the name, because I don't want to get banned).

There was the 2007 civil war (Diaspora vs Home).

There was the rebellion when Seun threatened to ban the use of the words "Islam" and "muslim" on nairaland.

There were the "get rich quick", multi-level marketing and wonderbank scams (Seun even had to create a thread to warn people about them).

There was the garri rebellion.

Nairaland has survived all of them and will survive this one.

Seun has to enforce rules to ensure that there's order and because he is the only publicly known member of the forum.

Another thing I agree with is that the rules are too abrupt, which makes them seem dictatorial. The previous one had explanations and smileys that were very helpful and customer friendly.

I just remembered Seun's questions on the previous occasions when rule 17 was debated.

"How would I know what's offensive to islam?"

"How would I know what's offensive to christianity?"

Mintayo: Please let the same thing be done to the christain forum...

"Don't post anything that could be considered offensive to christains especially in the christain forum.''

this is not okay-have you been to the christain forum and c what 'pple' post there too?

So ppl can post offensive things in the christain forum? I SEE.

My original suggestion was that we should have a christian section, an islam section, the main religion section and an atheist section. Things offensive to christians should not be posted in the christian section and things offensive to muslims should not be posted in the islam section, etc.

However, some people countered that we would need to also create a judaism section, a traditional religion section, etc. Some christians said that they would not want those rules to apply to christians because it portrays christianity as an intolerant religion.

mollytinrox: only 21 makes sense to me o. Now i want to ask how single mothers cope, and there's a thread to that effect already, but i still feel its peculiar, so i shouldnt create my own abi? and please, is it all those your 2003/1999 threads whose ops are now dinosaurs that you want me to be following now?

abegi.

if you like, ban me. administrator ko, generator ni.

just kidding o. dont ban me o. my life depends on NL o.

Yes, this is my only complaint about this edition of the rules and regulations. It is not as explanatory as previous ones. In the previous post, it was made clear that you could create a new thread if the previous one was over a year old. This current version of the rules doesn't say anything about that.

It's fun and nice to scream "no internet censorship", but like the guy that advised Seun made clear, "this is an anonymous forum. We don't know who a member is. But the only person that is not anonymous is you Seun".

If you contravene these rules and something happens, you might go scot free, but the law knows Seun. Therefore, Seun must protect his interests.

I think people would have a better understanding of the problem if they could read the person's letter themselves, but in the light of recent developments, I'm not sure it would be safe to post the link.

Reasons for rule 17

naptu2: Let me see if I remember correctly (I can't find the thread at the moment). Years ago someone threatened Seun. He had had enough of the attacks, criticism and insults against Islam/muslims and reminded Seun that, although nairaland is an "anonymous forum", Seun can be easily identified in real life.

After this incident the Islam for Muslims section was created and insults, attacks and criticism against Islam/muslims were banned in that section.

Apologies if my memory is inaccurate.

naptu2: Haven't found the thread yet, but I found a blogpost that referred to it. The blog post brought back some memories.

I believe the person actually sent a direct message to Seun. Seun then created a thread titled "Why I may forbid the discussion of Islam on nairaland" and posted the person's message on that thread.

Nairalanders came up with many suggestions on what Seun should do about it. One of the suggestions was that Seun should create an exclusive section for muslims.

I hope pyguru doesn't ban me. I'll post the blog address while I keep searching for the actual thread.

Some parts have been deleted.

1) "otherwise desist from sending information via The Nairaland"

2) Do not announce the death of a nairalander without the express permission of the Admin.

Those two sections are gone.

Also, I think many debates will be revived. Most of these rules were created because of incidents that occurred in the past (eg "do not announce the death of a nairalander" which has become "do not post false information", "Don't post anything that could be considered offensive to Islam, especially in the muslim section" and ". Don't promote MLM schemes, HYIPS, or other questionable schemes on Nairaland"). They were created because of things that happened years ago. People who do not know about these events will soon arrive to question these rules.

I see a reversal in one of the rules. Nairaland was created at the height of the text speak madness. People created indecipherable posts. So Seun made the rule about "proper english". Someone complained about that rule, so Seun downgraded it to an advice. It's now back as a rule (and after my experience this morning, I'm glad its back).

Finally. I've always said that the rules should be posted in a prominent place where members can easily see them.

It's not really new. Most of those rules where in Seun's original post in 2005 and Ogugua's follow up thread from early this year.

However, I don't think this current post is as well organised and explanatory as the previous ones.

I'm going to provide pictures, links and articles this evening, but let me provide some background before then.

A lot of people say that Lagos was not planned, but I disagree. Lagos was planned and there were green areas, flood plains, zoning laws, etc in place in the past. The military came and destroyed everything. They sold land to every and anybody in any available space (even where there was no land). This is the problem that the government is currently trying to tackle.

There are some natural flood plains in which people should not build (eg Ijora). These are low lying areas where water from other parts of Lagos drain into. If the government decides to remove those people from those places, what will critics do?

Some people have brazenly built over storm drains and canals. If the government decides to remove them, what will critics do? I remember one classic case. The MacGregor Canal is one of the biggest and most important canals in Lagos. It was built by Governor MacGregor. Without that canal the whole of Lagos Island would be flooded. Someone went and built a church across the Dolphin end of the canal. When government decided to demolish it, critics complained that Fashola is anti-christian. "He is demolishing a church because he is a muslim". Right now, you can see that the government is trying to free up the storm drainages around Akoka, Onike and other areas of Yaba by removing illegal settlements at Makoko; but they say that he is anti-poor.

I remember when my best friend got that notice from the government. I told her to quickly comply. She didn't. Her wall was demolished and the government billed her for the demolition.

I'll be back with details of drainages across Lagos.

vanunu: Yoruba people na waaa for una, we the Ijaw people, use to think that you are our friend.

What does this have to do with "Yoruba people"?

Perhaps you haven't been to Makoko, because I also wonder what drainages you are referring to considering the fact that most of those houses are built on stilts above the lagoon.

wesley80: Those images and ideas are impressive - granted, but of what effect are they on the majority of the poor populace? sadly, very little. The Niger Delta region has got loads of these Skill acquisition and rehabilitation centres dotting the entire region but they're are nothing but prestige and chest thumping structures for state govts and the oil companies that built them, nothing more - ala Lagos.
Perhaps you guys haven't been to these areas - these slums to see first hand how non-existent govt presence is. Perhaps you're yet to understand how immense govt assistant would transform the lives of thousands just by constructing say non - existent drainages, these areas are a complete mess purely out of neglect. The irony is that same govt. is painting roads , planting flowers and fixing street lights in the opposite side of town while in areas with millions crammed in, have not even the most basic facilities.
Those are the issues I expect you guys to be addressing not pictures of rehabilitation centres for area boys that are a menace to the elite - yes, I've not failed to notice. Impressive non-theless.

And is it not because of those drainages at Akoka, Onike, etc that the government is clearing the shanties at Makoko? You want drainages? I'll give you drainages!

By the way, how do you lift someone out of poverty without giving them skills and a job? Which is better, to fish for someone, or to teach him how to fish?

I'm trying to decide whether I should post a lecture on "Importance Of Protocol And Dress Code In Administration And Management Of Public Service" by the former Chief of Protocol in the Bendel State Civil Service (he was lecturing senior civil servants in the Edo State Civil Service). It addresses issues of appropriate dress, order of precedence, anthems to be played, etc. It's quite long and I fear the anti-spam bot.

Although I deeply hate military rule, one thing I liked about them is that they didn't joke with protocol.

At a national event not too long ago, they brought out the national colours before the president arrived. They even dipped the colours for the general salute! I witnessed this abomination with my own eyes.

The national colours should only be dipped for the national salute (President, Governors or their representatives).

I wonder why some people are still arguing. Didn't they take part in the NYSC scheme? Which anthem is played first, the national anthem or the NYSC anthem?

mapet: Honestly Naptu beat me to this topic and you've done justice to the topic with sound envidences. I'm too sleepy tonight but tomorrow I'll add some few things.

Thanks very much. I've still got tonnes more to post.

IOMN: Not in a single statement did he mention the creation of AFFORDABLE housing and AFFORDABLE communities. If people from Makoko village were offered a viable alternative to living on the water, most would take it and then it would not be seen as a move for the mass eviction of people from the area. There are plenty of people from fishing villages all around the world that do not actually live on the water. Also, Fashola is attempting to just be strategic and keep tensions low amongst the people in Makoko, which is why he was so careful with his words. It's an attack on the poor. There are scores of community development professionals teaming to create viable and sustainable solutions to Nigeria's social problems, which include initiatives geared towards poorer people, but let's face it, the poor is not his focus. He is only preoccupied with displacing these people because that is the easiest and most immediate thing he can do.

Please check the other thread. You'll see tonnes of evidence of affordable housing, employment programmes, etc. I didn't want to keep reposting, but maybe I'll have to. Please check the other thread. We've thoroughly thrashed this issue (and I still have more to post). Come one, come all to this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1280369/why-eko-atlantic-legal-makoko

Come find out about Lagos HOMS, the YES programme, the destitute's home, LASMI, the urban regeneration programmes, the skills acquisition centres, Katyeri Market and many more (Mapet has promised to make his contributions today).

sweetcheecks: Wishing both presidents well, may they represent their countries with intergrity and selflessness. This is what brotherhood should look like.

And please stop insulting your president if you do go ahead leave our president out of your insults. I sometimes do not understand Nigeria at face value is a very religious country but in action its very different. The bibble says submit to authority not clever or great authority.

South Africans are not happy with Pres Zuma beecouse he continues to make the most horrible decisions but we will not curse and insult him at every turn, he is still the country's president and a representative of our country to the outside world, disrespecting him would be asking the world to disrespect us.

Word!

May South Africa and Nigeria have fruitful discussions that would see Africa through! Nkosi sikelela iAfrika, God bless Africa!

Amen!

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ebenezer4o2: ofcourse,havn't ¥♡̨̐υ̲ seen his son before?

What language is that? Please can you define obess for me? I've never seen that word before, I thought it was a person's name.

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Press Releases

Fashola Hands Over Mushin Skills Acquisition And Vocational Centre
…Says 13,422 men, women have so far been trained through them

Feb 15, 2011 - Lagos State Governor, Mr. Babatunde Fashola on Tuesday handed over the 17th Skills Acquisition and Vocational Centre in the State located at Mushin, revealing that the State has so far trained about 13,422 men and women.

Governor Fashola who spoke at the official commissioning of the Mushin Skill Acquisition Centre said from Amuwo Odofin, Badagry, Egan, Egbeda and Ejigbo, through Eredo, Iba, Ibeju Leki, Igbooye, Ikorodu and Kosofe to Lagos Island, Shibiri in Ojo, Surulere and Agege, the State has continually turned out thousands of young men and women with productive skills with which they are putting food on thousands of tables and contributing to the economy of the State.

The Governor said apart from the sustained support which the State gives to the ordinary people, Government has evolved a people oriented policy of facilitating training for the young people to acquire skills and granting them access to credit to start their own businesses, Government has also created a database for them to establish their location and for them to relate with themselves through the compilation and publication of the Lagos State Business Directory which is similar to "Yellow Pages".

He said beyond all the support for ordinary people, the State has evolved a people oriented policy of patronizing the local manufacturers and entrepreneurs over the foreign producers.

He recalled that the 2010 Lagos Carnival is a clear testimony of the practice as the over 93, 000 pieces of costumes used for the carnival that could have been imported much cheaper was commissioned for local production.

He stressed that the decision to site skill acquisition centres in different parts of the state was part of the administration's resolve to encourage young people to acquire vocational skills and create an avenue to make money and sustain themselves.

Governor Fashola expressed his worry at the recent policy shift by the Federal Government which allows importation of furniture, toothpick, textiles and vehicles of 15 years into the country.

He described the step as an economic tragedy for the nation which is not defensible and called for its reversal.

Governor Fashola stressed that the frenzy of importation has killed the local economy leading to high rate of unemployment and noting that smuggling could be tamed by well structured security mechanisms rather than throwing the flood gates open of goods to all sorts.

"This policy decision is not the answer to the problem of smuggling. The answer to the problem of smuggling lies rather in a methodical and multi-dimensional response. It includes the strengthening of the Customs through technology such as scanners, to improving the local productive capacity of our people and reducing dependence on imports and its attraction", he added.

He said if the Federal Government reverses the policy on importation and concentrate on stimulating the growth of the local industry through accelerated electricity supply, "our freight forwarders, our customs and our ports will become busier from a positive reversal of fortunes that is driven by an export oriented economy rather than an import driven economy".

He urged the people to vote massively for all the candidates of the Action Congress of Nigeria in Lagos because it is the only party that can deliver the goods which is very visible for everyone to see.

He urged the people of Lagos State not to give the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) any chance to rule in any part of the country anymore, adding that it is a party that is rebranding on a vision that is giving Nigerians insecurity and inflicting a nightmare on the people.

Earlier, the Commissioner for Women Affairs and Poverty Alleviation (WAPA), Mrs. Adejoke Orelope-Adefulire, said the location of the centre in Mushin is informed by the administration's policy of tackling poverty and women empowerment at the grassroots.

She said the numerous skill acquisition programmes of the Ministry has offered diverse opportunities to all classes of Lagosians to learn various vocations after which they are provided with needed capital and conducive environment to start practicing their trade.

Mrs Orelope-Adefulire said that so far, over 60,000 grassroots women and youths have been trained in year 2010 alone through the Acquisition centres.

In his welcome address, the Chairman of Mushin Local Government, Mr Babatunde Adepitan said the construction of the Skills Acquisition Centre in Mushin at that particular spot is another miracle of the century which could be better compared to what happened at Oshodi.

He said as a responsible Government the Council received the gift with both hands and has complimented the efforts of the State by immediately constructing all the roads leading to the centre.

In a message of solidarity Commissioner for Environment, Dr Muiz Banire who is also an indigene of the area commended Governor Babatunde Fashola and his team for a job well done in transforming Lagos State.

He said the site of the project was hitherto a major security risk for the residents of the area just as it also constituted an environmental disaster spot, saying through the resourcefulness of the present administration, it has been transformed.

The ceremony was attended by the Deputy Governor, Princess Sarah Adebisi Sosan, members of the State Executive Council, members of the National Assembly and State Assembly representing Mushin and political leaders as well as enthusiastic residents of the area who trooped out to receive the Governor witness the event.

https://www.nairaland.com/606262/fashola-hands-over-mushin-17thhttp://www.nairaland.com/606262/fashola-hands-over-mushin-17th

Akiika: Shouldn't the host be introducing the visitor to his people and not the other way around.

The usual protocol is that the host introduces the visitor to members of his team, then the visitor introduces the host to members of his delegation.

ebenezer4o2: Can someone confirm fO̶̲̥̅̊Я̩̥̊ ♍ε̲̣ if his obess son followed him τ̲̅ȍ south Africa?

Obess

They were simply hugging (that's the way heads of state, particularly on the African Continent, greet each other).