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I'm sure Ben Bruce would be happy. He has been attacking the Lagos State Government over this keke issue for the past 3 years. "How can you provide a 19th century solution in the 21st century? If the Lagos State Government believes that the auto-rickshaws are a viable transport solution, then the Lagos State Governor and Transport Commissioner should ride to work in auto-rickshaws".

Damn! I've been so busy! I would have loved to participate in this thread. However, I'm going to give a summary.

I agree with the government's decision to limit the tricycles to the minor routes (that is, within districts). My only misgivings is the timing. They should have allowed all the alternatives to fully come on stream first.

Now to the alternatives: the government has provided alternative job opportunities for the keke and okada riders. It is also providing alternative means of transport. I don't know if I should just provide links to the other threads, or quote my posts from the other threads.

B-EAU-TIF-UL!

It is against the rules to insult a nairalander, but you are permitted to insult public figures.

By the way, it wasn't a mod that changed your words. Your words were changed by the word censor, which is a piece of software. It is against the rules to bypass the word censor.

and another person copies my photo and posts it on the Nigerian Nostalgia Project (he's not aware that it's been done before).

Mr Ford: The use of noisy generators at night should be banned.

It has already been banned.

Click here too read about the Dantata/Dangote Dynasty (Al-Hassan Dantata, Aminu Dantata, Sanusi Dantata, Abdulkadir Sanusi Dantata, Mariya Sanusi Dangote, Aliko Dangote, Tajudeen Dantata and Sayyu Dantata) https://www.nairaland.com/891985/dantata-dangote-story-how-create

A little correction. Dangote was not given a loan by his grandfather (Sanusi Dantata), but by his uncle Abdulkadir Sanusi Dantata (the founder of Asada Farms and Dantata and Sawoe Construction Company). Dangote worked for him before branching out on his own.

(Just the same way Sayyu Dantata worked for Dangote before setting up MRS Oil and Gas).

koruji: Old or not old, these are the kind of statements that paint us as less than human.
If a person with this kind of thought process could rise that high in the echelons of power, imagine what the rest of the populace looks like.

[size=14pt]Kill 20 million people, so you can enjoy the oil under their feet in peace?[/size]

I agree (although he said "enjoy peace", not enjoy oil). People who make these kinds of comment are usually suspended from the house. Although he might have said it as a joke, it is a rather tasteless, insensitive and offensive joke. He would have been picked up by the SSS if he had made these comments outside the chamber. The Cool FM journalists that were arrested in Kano did not say anything as bad as what Ibn Na'Allah said. I think the only reason he wasn't suspended was because he withdrew the statement.

Afam4eva: Was this one arrested when he made such an assertion?

He can't be arrested for that statement, because it was said on the floor of the house (parliamentary immunity).

kunlekunle: thats what they are currently doing, investing the looted funds into the economy through him

Evidence/proof?

Al-Mustapha's lawyer at the Oputa Panel.

The comments are shocking, but the report looks very much like a hatchet job, so I have to ask the obvious question; did he really say those things or is the report made up to tarnish his image?

The Aliko Dangote interview


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx_H_LrZ1DE

Read more (about the source of his wealth, including his great grandfather, uncles and cousins) here https://www.nairaland.com/891985/dantata-dangote-story-how-create

skfa1: @ Seun

21. Always post in proper English. The use of correct spelling, grammar and punctuation is compulsory.

What if I dont know how to speak proper English or dnt know English at all? Wont I be able to post on NL?

You would/should be able to post in the culture section.

[quote author=nu-well]Oga, welcome o! it's been a while we saw you here. What have you been up to?[/quote]I've been alternating between politics section and the real world. How are you?

esere826: *eyes him*

Hahahahahahahaha!

Our author will update the thread this afternoon (in a few hours time). Please stay tuned to this thread.

https://www.nairaland.com/1205583/iyawo-nylon-bag/24

HumbledbYGrace: While your at it....Bring Cuddlemii back.

+100

Mustay: The points I agree with you here are highlighted!

For those who had been on NL at the seed stage, they would understand why the section "Islam for Muslims" was even created.

I have also avoided going to such sections for even in politics too, both sides enjoying bashing others' religion + tribes.

Davidylan would be reading this - his posts circa 2007 till date are & were all about attacking anything Islam. Eventually, such threads end up being detailed denying those who want(ed) to have sincere discussions the opportunity to do so. Even here, you already see posters saying they know Seun has received threats from the "violent ones", haramists and such unsavoury terms.

Sincerely, I would advise the religion section be closed. Moderating this forum to check against bigotry is necessary. People want freedom without responsibilities and respect to others. The major problem of the internet is being anonymous + weak controls.

Until a strong framework is designed for religion to be discussed, close it!

+100

The whole thing started because of Davidylan vs Olabowale. I think we should go back to Seun's initial decision and ban all discussions of religion/atheism on the forum.

Last year's discussion about rule 17 https://www.nairaland.com/959186/christianity-christians

How it all started.

[size=14pt]re – why Seun may forbid the discussion of islam on Nairaland[/size]

The good and bad thing about the internet is that a user can just be anybody, anytime and anywhere. This ‘user’ can decide to be a ‘he’, ‘she’ or whatever, since no one sees the typist behind the computer screen. The internet is definitely the definition of the freedom of speech.

As the premier, prime-time, first and foremost online meeting place for Nigerians all around the world, ‘Nairaland‘ is not a stranger to the average internet user – especially in Nigeria. Discussions on various issues all litter the place and its really a Nairaland. I myself just manage to keep up, catch up and read through various discussions etc., and at the end of it all, i’m still far away from the latest gists while I burst into mode: laugh, at least to make my day.

The latest discussion,  one that I read and which bugged my head is from Mr. Nairaland himself, titled: Why I may forbid the discussion of Islam on Nairaland. The question soon crossed my mind whether our brother Seun would be needing a body guard. I believe it hasn’t come to this yet, but maybe………

Looks as if he received some emails that stung and so he had to speak out, at least for his own safety and for the information of all:

[b]On one hand, we have the popular and cantankerous Christians that take delight in speaking against Islam and will continue to do so even though I keep banning them. On the other hand, we have muslims who believe I am personally culpable even though I did not make those posts because I am the only person whose name is associated with this website.

I am not willing to bear the risk of "fatwa", so by the end of this week it will be an offense to talk about Islam on Nairaland. I do not have the time to go through your posts one by one. Even if I had the time, how would I know what is offensive and what is not offensive to these people? I’m not a Muslim (neither am I a Christian) so I cannot judge what is offensive (or not).

That is why it will soon be a terminal offense to talk about Islam on Nairaland. Thanks for understanding.

Quote from: Usman Muhammad
A advice for you
I really appreciate your dedication and skills in designing this website. I write not to praise your exceptional skills but to advice you on just one thing that will inevitable come to you. By birth a Muslim is emotionally reactive to his religion, Nigeria Muslim on the other hand are slightly explosive to any thing they consider blasphemy to Islam and our noble Prophet.

Seun, I respectably urge you to have firm control of your web site. The forum under religion is embodied with lots of abusive, offensive and incisive phrase against Islam. Phrase that is capable of igniting a serious tension and a threat to your own life. I am a Muslim, a moderate Muslim you may say, but I can tell the reaction and counter reaction of an extremist who can easily be offended by contents of your web site. The authors may not be known, but you as the founder, would be easily branded as an abettor and a party to the offence. What I am saying in effect is that, you should edit, delete and choose topics posted on the forum you consider offensive. Imagine phrase calling Prophet Muhammad “evil” “stupid”. No! No!! No!!! Osewa, you should act quickly, or else one day, a fatwa would be issued for you, and then you will be a celebrity under serious police protection. Then you can as well spend your [salary] undercover. These guys that post this thing are trying to destroy what you have suffered to build.

Quote from: Seun Osewa
Hello Muhammad,

Why not mention the specific threads you want me to remove?  How am I to know which threads you find offensive if you do not name them one by one so I can remove them?

Regards,
Seun Osewa.[/b]

Its not a new story that Nigerians are willing to go any length when it comes to religion. From North to South, the testimonies abound.

I remember, before, I enjoyed reading through any religious headed post I saw, but for some time now, I can say I have abstained. I have abstained because some people just say anything under the sun to back up their own idea/s(right or wrong) to crucify whoever/whatever they wish to speak against. I’m like, God must be a very patient God. If left to these trash-talkers alone, a few slaps on their faces would definitely allow us to know who has said what on Nairaland. abi?

I believe that everybody has a right to his own opinion, and isn’t it right enough that people learn to respect the opinion of others while they stick to their own? Its not by force to accept your opinion, but why condemn me – why condemn my person?

The bashing, insults etc., kinda spoil the whole religious soup on Nairaland, and its a pity -  if these talkers are the youth on which the reins of Nigeria’s future hangs. Some of them might end up becoming religious ministers themselves, yet they can’t see where the lines of right and wrong are crossed – especially in matters of words and thought.

There is a difference between trying to convince and trying to condemn. Majority of Nairaland talkers, especially on religious issues(between Christianity and the Muslim faith) is condemnation back and forth. This same picture cuts across to the political circle. If we can’t agree up to a point on the religious bend, how much more politics.

Nairaland is offered free of charge. Thank you Seun. But why should you allow someone login free of charge and put you into an official problem, considering that in Nigeria, anything can happen.

Yes, a word is enough for the wise, and Mr. Nairaland has said his piece. I would be happier if not only the discussion of Islam is forbidden, the discussion of Christianity should be forbidden to. At least, lets be on playing-level and see what else we can talk about.

Maybe we would be able to see more common things amongst us, rather than a lotta religious differences.

p.s: I’m a Christian, if you care to know

http://naijatechtalk./2008/02/06/re-why-seun-may-forbid-the-discussion-of-islam-on-nairaland/

How it all started.

[size=14pt]re – why Seun may forbid the discussion of islam on Nairaland[/size]

The good and bad thing about the internet is that a user can just be anybody, anytime and anywhere. This ‘user’ can decide to be a ‘he’, ‘she’ or whatever, since no one sees the typist behind the computer screen. The internet is definitely the definition of the freedom of speech.

As the premier, prime-time, first and foremost online meeting place for Nigerians all around the world, ‘Nairaland‘ is not a stranger to the average internet user – especially in Nigeria. Discussions on various issues all litter the place and its really a Nairaland. I myself just manage to keep up, catch up and read through various discussions etc., and at the end of it all, i’m still far away from the latest gists while I burst into mode: laugh, at least to make my day.

The latest discussion,  one that I read and which bugged my head is from Mr. Nairaland himself, titled: Why I may forbid the discussion of Islam on Nairaland. The question soon crossed my mind whether our brother Seun would be needing a body guard. I believe it hasn’t come to this yet, but maybe………

Looks as if he received some emails that stung and so he had to speak out, at least for his own safety and for the information of all:

[b]On one hand, we have the popular and cantankerous Christians that take delight in speaking against Islam and will continue to do so even though I keep banning them. On the other hand, we have muslims who believe I am personally culpable even though I did not make those posts because I am the only person whose name is associated with this website.

I am not willing to bear the risk of "fatwa", so by the end of this week it will be an offense to talk about Islam on Nairaland. I do not have the time to go through your posts one by one. Even if I had the time, how would I know what is offensive and what is not offensive to these people? I’m not a Muslim (neither am I a Christian) so I cannot judge what is offensive (or not).

That is why it will soon be a terminal offense to talk about Islam on Nairaland. Thanks for understanding.

Quote from: Usman Muhammad
A advice for you
I really appreciate your dedication and skills in designing this website. I write not to praise your exceptional skills but to advice you on just one thing that will inevitable come to you. By birth a Muslim is emotionally reactive to his religion, Nigeria Muslim on the other hand are slightly explosive to any thing they consider blasphemy to Islam and our noble Prophet.

Seun, I respectably urge you to have firm control of your web site. The forum under religion is embodied with lots of abusive, offensive and incisive phrase against Islam. Phrase that is capable of igniting a serious tension and a threat to your own life. I am a Muslim, a moderate Muslim you may say, but I can tell the reaction and counter reaction of an extremist who can easily be offended by contents of your web site. The authors may not be known, but you as the founder, would be easily branded as an abettor and a party to the offence. What I am saying in effect is that, you should edit, delete and choose topics posted on the forum you consider offensive. Imagine phrase calling Prophet Muhammad “evil” “stupid”. No! No!! No!!! Osewa, you should act quickly, or else one day, a fatwa would be issued for you, and then you will be a celebrity under serious police protection. Then you can as well spend your [salary] undercover. These guys that post this thing are trying to destroy what you have suffered to build.

Quote from: Seun Osewa
Hello Muhammad,

Why not mention the specific threads you want me to remove?  How am I to know which threads you find offensive if you do not name them one by one so I can remove them?

Regards,
Seun Osewa.[/b]

Its not a new story that Nigerians are willing to go any length when it comes to religion. From North to South, the testimonies abound.

I remember, before, I enjoyed reading through any religious headed post I saw, but for some time now, I can say I have abstained. I have abstained because some people just say anything under the sun to back up their own idea/s(right or wrong) to crucify whoever/whatever they wish to speak against. I’m like, God must be a very patient God. If left to these trash-talkers alone, a few slaps on their faces would definitely allow us to know who has said what on Nairaland. abi?

I believe that everybody has a right to his own opinion, and isn’t it right enough that people learn to respect the opinion of others while they stick to their own? Its not by force to accept your opinion, but why condemn me – why condemn my person?

The bashing, insults etc., kinda spoil the whole religious soup on Nairaland, and its a pity -  if these talkers are the youth on which the reins of Nigeria’s future hangs. Some of them might end up becoming religious ministers themselves, yet they can’t see where the lines of right and wrong are crossed – especially in matters of words and thought.

There is a difference between trying to convince and trying to condemn. Majority of Nairaland talkers, especially on religious issues(between Christianity and the Muslim faith) is condemnation back and forth. This same picture cuts across to the political circle. If we can’t agree up to a point on the religious bend, how much more politics.

Nairaland is offered free of charge. Thank you Seun. But why should you allow someone login free of charge and put you into an official problem, considering that in Nigeria, anything can happen.

Yes, a word is enough for the wise, and Mr. Nairaland has said his piece. I would be happier if not only the discussion of Islam is forbidden, the discussion of Christianity should be forbidden to. At least, lets be on playing-level and see what else we can talk about.

Maybe we would be able to see more common things amongst us, rather than a lotta religious differences.

p.s: I’m a Christian, if you care to know

http://naijatechtalk./2008/02/06/re-why-seun-may-forbid-the-discussion-of-islam-on-nairaland/

Since the main debate in this thread is about rule 17, it would be on topic for me to provide background to the origins of rule 17.

New developments: Seun has modified some of the rule. https://www.nairaland.com/1284399/concerning-controversial-new-rules-nairaland

The funny thing is that these rules have existed for more than a year. He only just posted them in prominent places so that new users can see them, but nairaland has been governed by these rules for some time now.

Ishilove: Choi, this boy don start hin lie lie again ooooo!! I thought by now you would have repented.

Acidtalk, when you lie the heavens shake and are rent open... Chineke!!!

The next thing we know you'll be dating one of Obama's daughters, since your laptop father-in-law who knows your NL id and the girl ya village people brought for you are not up to your tastes

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhaha! God! I fell off my chair!

[quote author=Ileke-IdI]Rule #15[/quote]I'm going to miss Ileke-Idi.

kunmibola: Bravo Seun, this is a very nice piece from an idle mind! You just won yourself a new title, DICTATOR SEUN! If I say I am not disappointed then I lied. If you and your moderators are clueless and immature. With all these DICTATIONS, I wish you a very successful reign....

Back in the day (2005-2008) he was known as "Banorable Seun Osewa" or "otherwise ban".

centje: Seun don't sensor any word. Enter a new agreement with google if that's the essence of the sensor.

Each section has a library of topics but they are never updated,so how can one avoid re creating already existing post. We all know your search button is not that efficient in getting results.

The use of pidgin, abbreviation etc makes the forum fun.

Present the rules in a more polite way.

Place the rules at a very prominent corner of nairaland.

Goodluck.

The previous post was very polite, explanatory and helpful. The current one seems curt and harsh (although it's basically the same rules).

[quote author=Mr knowitall.]I'm pretty sure that its not seun that came up with this ridiculous rules...he seems intelligent to me.....some of these moderators here behave like poverty stricken immature retards.......with their banning and and stuppid comments sometimes....[/quote]These rules have existed for a long time (since 2005, with minor periodic adjustments). I have copies of them in my laptop. He only made minor adjustments and posted it to the front page.

naptu2: Why =

1) Someone writes Seun telling him that, although he is doing a good job with nairaland, he is the only identifiable member of nairaland and that, with the way people are saying offensive things about nairaland, someone might put a fatwa on his head.

2) Seun bans the use of the words islam, muslim and any discussion of islam on nairaland.

3) Nairalanders protest against the ban (that it would be discrimination against good muslims who want to discuss their religion) and come up with alternatives. Someone says that Seun should hide any comment that's offensive to islam. Seun asks, "how would I know what's offensive to islam? I'm not a muslim."

4) Someone else suggests that a section that's exclusively for muslims should be created. Non-muslims and those who are against islam should not go there. That will be the only place where islam is discussed.

5) Questions arose: how would you know who is a muslim and who isn't? How would you know what's offensive and what isn't? The final solution was to make a known muslim the moderator of that section.

To be continued. . . .

6) Someone complained that christians who unknowingly go to the Islam for Muslims section and make posts that are offensive to islam are getting banned. A christian suggested that a notice should be put in the Islam for Muslim sections alerting people to the fact that they'll get banned if they make posts that are offensive to islam.

7) Someone created a thread in which she demanded that a "Christianity for Christians" section should be created. Majority were opposed to that suggestion. Some said that it would make it seem like christians were intolerant and violent. Others said that it was left to God to deal with anybody who made offensive statements against Him. Someone said that no christian has threatened to place a fatwa on Seun's head.

Idowuogbo: Shyte site! Na pensioner full dat place mehn...

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!