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Seun:
Chelsea, the most boring team on the planet, is probably going to win yet again.  Alas.

You probably don't even know what Chelsea means. . .

According to the reports I have been gathering, Orlando Carlos Braga De Sa has been training with the reserves for about a week now. . . reports say the U21 portuguese will soon sign for £4m . . he apparently has impressed LPS and his staff. . . reports also say that this is a Scolari call and not Arnesen. . .

Further investigations go on to validate this report. . .

Chelsea 2004/2005:

Played Wins Draws Losses Goals For GA GD Pts

14 10 3 1 23 6 +17 33





Chelsea 2008/2009:


Played Wins Draws Losses Goals For GA GD Pts

14 10 3 1 32 4 +28 33




I decided to get this for you. . . This is JM's start and LPS's start. . . after 14 games, how the hell did you come about worst start?

Hey hey hey . . . I know you were not referring to me but can you leave "sisters". . . . .

What you do not get that Ibime is trying to say is . . . JM achieved at Chelsea but he had his inadequacies as well that you are not willing to accept. .

1.  . . I will get you some links . .

2. . . I just said something about that. . . I do not think JM signed him

3. . . Only an idiot will not ask for the sack of Arnesen. . . I have asked so many times why he is still there. .

4. . . Don't stuff like that. . . because we signed a player does not mean no one else was ready to fight for them but the point is these guys were established talents already. . . Drogba, Carvalho had won the CL, Cole. . the PL and was best left back and established england international. . Essien . . are you kidding? besides Sheva. . .  this Chelsea's most expensive Chelsea player. . . Nobody sells that expensive if they not already made. . .

5. . . Ibime will surely help you with that. . .

6Common stop this falied to blend thing. . . he had four seasons with us. . he is simply a waste. .

7. . We sold Tiago a season later. . . you don't sell hits that quickly do you?

8. . . Forced to buy Malouda?.  . that's not the point. He had 13m he could have bought anyone else. . . .

9Kalou has been promising since he came . ,  . he is still promising. . . Ferriera, well I do not think that needs defending. .

10. . . . I think by saying Four we mean . . . Cech, Lampard, Joe and Wayne Bridge. . . Guess what? I am going to add John Terry. . . He did not buy John but he established John from the academy and made the initial growth of what is his today . . To me it's Five. . . .

11. . . . Hold on . . I think there are a few ways to understand wasteful . . . because he did not win anything does not mean he is wasteful . . don't be blinded by trophies only . . and that's what Ibime is trying to say . . monumental spendings for short term gains. . anybody can do that. . . Tinkerman left us with players that were going to form the spine of JM's success. . .

point of correction . . . Ranieri spent £120m when Roman arrived. . . Aw is that more than what JM spent in his entire term? . . are you kidding. . . ?

And let me School Ranieri bought Chelsea some of the most influential players ever. . and I am going to list them and compare them to JM's purchses. . .

Frank Lampard , Emmanuel Petit, Boudewijn Zenden, Jesper Grønkjær, William Gallas, 

Wayne Bridge, Joe Cole, Scott Parker, Glen Johnson,  Juan Sebastian 'Seba' Veron, Hernán Crespo, Claude Makélélé, Adrian Mutu,  Petr Cech, Arjen Robben. . .

And he nutured players like John Terry, Robert Huth, and got the best out of players like Samuele Dalla Bona and Mario Stanic. . . .


It's clear. .  no one is Anti-JM . . there's no reason to be . . but he was wasteful






12. . . . I can't criticize Grant because right now Anelka has scored 16 goals in all competitions. .  Aw do you criticize that? Only you does that. . . bearing in mind that he came in Jan. . he was the only available player that was not cup-tied and at that price . .


For the last piece. . . I won't go into this Scolari thing again. . but I really do not understand what you mean by worst start to the season. . . by number of games won you are wrong . . . . number of points, you are wrong . . goals scored, you are goals conceeded, you are wrong. . . . except we start to compare the teams they beat and did not beat and that will be ridiculous. . for trophies, I will say wait till the end of the season and justify him after spending only £24m. . .

Actually I just found a link. . .

When did Milan sign Thiago. . I can't find any links. . and I neva knew Thiago. .

I did not go into verifying the £1bn as well. . . but anyways it's only paper losses for now. . and for as long as he's invested in strong brands . . . it's only a matter of time before his holdings rise back to their true value. . . well only except like you said in case of over-valuation of those holdings pre-collapse . . .

However, going by the recent trends. . he really might have lost a lot. . like you said. And that's why we are going after Paim, Miniero and I hear now we might have agreed a deal for the guy I spoke about yesterday Orlando Carlos Braga and we might even be bringing in free agent Thiago Silva. . .

The nature of these transfers worries me. . . I really do not mind fringe players or young un-spotted players for a few quid if they will develop into solid future players. . . but free agents? . . that doesn't sound too good. .

To be fair Ibime. . . I actually saw this report but I did not believe it one bit. . . I know a major part of Roman's wealth came from his oil company Sibneft with Boris Berevzovsky. . . . from what I read on Reuters some months back. . He actually sold his stake in the company. He sold it for between $10bn and $15bn . . . He's worth about $23bn according to forbes . . . The figures do not add up. . .

At the time of your link. . . The pound to a dollar was about  1.6 . . and saying he's lost £12bn is saying he lost about $20bn. . and if that represents half of his wealth . . . He was never worth anything close to $40bn dollars. . . Even the 5th richest man in the world - Mukesh Ambani - is worth just $40bn . . Roman is 15th. . .

cabali:
This is so much load, who's taking it?

Are you kidding ? . . . . I'm loving every bit of it. . .

You are losing out again Somze. . . . more facts. . quickly!!!




FACT CORNER. .

Yes Kalou was £8m. . JM did not sign Ballack, Obi, Robben and Cech. .
Arnesen "THE TALENT SPOTTER". . spotted Sinclair, Sahar and Diarra. .
I thought Ezekiel Bala trained with ManU. .
£30m for David Villa. . Value for Money?. . Absolutely!!
Roman did not lose half his wealth . . He lost between £700m and £1bn. . . works out to about 1/10th of his wealth. .
Muorinho spent an awful lot not to win trophiesand had more misses than hits.
The ManU of 2004 is less formidable than the ManU of 2008. . . . !!
SWP did not fail to blend. . . he should not have been bought!. .
And thanks for reminding me Ibime that Tinkerman still has four of his players left in the first 11. . .

Lastly. .I do not blame Jose. . . Believe me!. . .  Waitrose is posh!

I always enjoy an Ibime v Somze faceoff. . .

It's always going to be about Jose . . . .


You are losing out Somze. . . go get more facts. . . Waiting

Too early to guess ? . . .  that's why it's called guess. . . .

To the topic . . It's Chelsea's premiership. . . because I believe this season the matches between the big four will not count. . .

Liverpool have won two . . and are only a point above Chelsea that have lost two and drawn one already
Arsenal have won two. . . and are 7pts behind Chelsea. .
ManU have lost two and drawn one . . and are 2 pts - with a game in hand - above Arsenal that have won two.

My prediction is Arsenal will beat Liverpool home and away and will still not be above Liverpool. .
Chelsea will draw ManU at OT . . and beat Arsenal and Liverpool away. .
ManU will beat Liverpool and Arsenal at OT. . .

and they will cancel out each other. . . the determinants will be the pts against the smaller teams . . and the least likely of the big four to drop pts against small teams are Chelsea and ManU and that's how the premiership will be determined. . 

It's just a matter of time before Juande is given the boot. . . no mata what he wins. . . If they sacked Del Bosque. . anyone after will be sacked. . .
Stability is alien to Calderon. . . Players, Managers get kicked out at the snap of his fingers . . . They will not win the CL in 5 years. .

@Fbs

My bad. . . . I did not mean it that way. . I agree with everything you said . . I am not trying to play god of the thread. . . I am just as or maybe even less passionate than you. . I got carried away and just continued typing . .


Peace Man. . .



@Ibime. .

You are probably the safest of all of us. . not the extremist! . . and won't have some defending to do at the end of the season . . . I actually think I am comfortable where I am. . never mind I will be fine. . .

I wondered the same as well about the Orlando guy . . . but I thought maybe we going to do an Arsenal for a while. . . using untested players. . . now that Roman has laid off 50 scouts. . . The credit crunch is really biting. . .

The mind thing . . . I have not admitted it yet. . .


Some players will get better in their later years! but not at 28. . . I do not think I agree that any player gets better at 28. . . 26 maybe . .


As for Managers. . My assertion is not Scientific theorem. . it's more like a guide to management. . So it won't work in all cases. . but as long as there are possibilities. . why not give it a shot. . . ?

At least let's give him a chance to prove that he is a real loser. . .

@Debo

The Players. .
Trying to compare players with Managers is a bit unfair. . . the life-time of a player's success is generally shorter than that of a Manager. . . Players get worse the older they get. . Managers get better and wiser the older they get. . . and that is the reason why players get criticized and changed and not Managers

Malouda is 28 already. . . basic football knowledge says he can't get any better . . . If he is bad now . . he is bad . . get someone better. .



Grant. . .
The manner in which Grant was what pissed Chelsea fans off. . . and the reason for my turning his back against him . . . We all know how he got into Chelsea. . and I said he should have declined taking the Job. . because it was going to be hard for him just after our bets Manager was sacked. . . Roman runs a multi-million pound outfit here. . you think he'd give it to Grant who's got no experience . . no he would. . he was a stop gap . . and that went by. .


Scolari. .
Obviously had much more experience developing players and winning Trophies than Grant. . . He was brought in to replicate this success. . if he isn't getting it right now. . it's not confirmed he's wack. . rather it will be assumed that some things are not right. . . and should be given time . . . TIME because he has won before and he can win again. . and TIME could mean one season or Two. .


So that's it. . .

You are such a joke. . .

Didier won't fit into the current system. . . I did not forget saying that. . . and I stand by it. . . and here's what LPS thinks of what I said. .

"Drogba is one of the best strikers in the world," said Scolari. "I have[b] more options[/b] now he is fit. . . . ."Then he was suspended and now he is back again. But it gives me a chance to play a different system sometimes. Before he was fit, I could not do that".


You have to be constructive when discussing with me. . . not just hopping from point to point just for the purpose of engagement. .
LPS knows Drog well. . He knows how he can play. . . If Scolari had David Villa, Benzema maybe even Berbatov, he won't be talking about changing the system . . . because these guys will slot in like Anelka . . def more clinical but wrt to the system in general, it stays the same. . . Geddit?

your newly found 'fanatical' support of Chelski can be traced to the appointment of Scolari and other chavs will bear witness to that - you are in essence saying 'forget the Chelski of JM, this is the Chelski of Scolari'.

The only thing I see in what you have written is "YOU ARE IN ESSENCE SAYING". . . it's so bad . . you can't even make direct inferences from my posts . . you have to make them look like what happening in your mind. . Let me help you here. . . Why don't you say I am referring to the forget the Chelsea of Robben and embrace the Chelsea of Malouda. . you can also use interchangeably these names. . . Gallas and Alex. . Geremi and Bosingwa. . Makalele and Deco. . it could mean anything . . it could even mean "Abramovic's past spendings to his recent shrewd spenings". . It depends on what you want to say. . . but like I said "IN YOUR MIND". . . it means forget Jose, this is Scolari's Chelsea. . . just take a minute and laugh at yourself. .

And your newly found "fanatical" support . . Have you got an explanation for that. . . ? . . I mean more like what you never saw me do and now I do . . maybe that can enlighten us all . . . please borrow some points as well from the fellow Chavs you were talking about. . .

It would be disingenious of you to say otherwise given your frequent attempts to play down JM's achievements or mode of play in support of the allegedly better 'flowing footie' that Scolari espouses. Shrouding that in claiming 'support the new Chelski' and then saying Newcastle fans stay loyal despite wins is all linked to your 'I'll support Scolari 100% even if he doesn't win mantra' against people wanting a JM who did win, and didn't have the flaws being exposed in Scolari's current set up.

Ok. . this post is meant to tell us all that when LPS leaves . . I will leave uhm? . . . You are a joke. . I love the way Chelsea plays now . . . it doesn't cloud my brain to always remember that JM is still our most successful manager till date. . . . Where I attack people is where they show clear stupidity of wanting JM back. . . Do you really think that can happen. . . ?. . Can you take a few minutes to look at my reactions in my posts when JM was sacked. . .

I did not try to play down JM's achievements. . . I only said JM achieved his success with several factors in place. . . a few of the factors were removed and he could not go on . . . e.g SPENDING. . .

Supporting Scolari even if he doesn't win anything is no newly found fantasy. . . it's only being wise. . . Like Kenyon said "It can't be a co-incidence that the top two english clubs have long lasting successes by being stable even when things were going south. . . If you want to hold on to the past. . . by all means. . . if you want to get on-board the present train . . get your tickets fast. . !!!


Don't hold on to the past. . . It's like your son who used to be a brilliant Doctor. . and turns out to be a Taxi driver. . he's still your son . . you support him even in death. . . If that is difficult for you to understand. . . you need help!

@Debo. . .

I thought you will understand the meaning of the phrase "as well as". . . It means[b] "I agree with what you said. . but also . . . . . "[/b]

I already agreed with what Somze said about Didier being the saviour. . but went on to say "as well as the other efforts. . which includes the manager's input". . . . This only place it can mean that DD won't have a chance without Scolari is in your mind. . .

Even while I mentioned Scolari's immense input . . . I also commented on the general efforts of the team in general. . Like "If Terry had scored an own goal. . Status quo. . . DD's goal would have meant nothing. . "

Why don't you take me up on worship of other players efforts. . . rather than make it seem like I said ONLY SCOLARI'S input gave DD the chance. . . . ? I know why . . it's that urge inside you to get on and type the moment you see Scolari in my post. . .

Even your captain Terry came on and lavished praise on DD, but to you, it seems that 'threatens' the Scolari empire which has brought Anelka to the fore - do you understand now?

Only in your mind. . . . Is Drogba not a Chelsea player? . . . Why are you making it sound like DD was never allowed to play, never was registered  to Chelseaor LPS never liked him . . . what has "Threatened" got to do . .? Why do you make it sound like Republicans and Democrats fighting for the Oval Office. . . ? I am a Chelsea fan and it does not matter who the phock plays. . . I only care about who wins. . Anelka scored 13 goals. . he's a chelsea player, it's great. . If we can find someone that can score 16 . . . ship Anelka to West-brom. . Rubbish thoughts. . . Imagine you saying "BUT TO YOU IT SEEMS THAT THREATENS". .  How ridiculous!. . . I have a team and the more quality players I have, the better. . .

Back to the Scolari issue - the reason I took you up on that is that you were castigating people for going back to the times of JM, which, in light of the SUCCESS he brought the club is understandable - trying to dull them down by saying what about Newcastle and the rest is wide of the mark.

This had nothing. . absolutely nothing to do with LPS . . except all the whining of JM was this and JM was that. . . Chelsea was this and Chelsea was that. . . those days are gone. . let's deal with it. . . !!!
What has that got to do with LPS? . . . It's your fantasy I say!

Let me surmise with this - there are games where INDIVIDUAL GENIUS will take pride of place, and others where tactical nous will achieve the desired result. Chelski won because of DD's individual genius, not tactical superiority, thus DD takes more of the praise here - just like Ronaldo's accolades came from how he was individually outstanding last season.

Absolutely, and everyone wants such players. . . but why don't you cross over to the ManU thread and begin to school them about how Ronaldo's individual brilliance gave Fergie recent success. . . and not his tactical nous as such!!!!!!
And for one last time . . . Chelsea won because DD scored a goal. . aw about Chelsea won because we did not conceed another goal! . . . One statement edifies a player. . the other edifies team-work





And maybe you don't know. . . My top five managers in the world . . Scolari does not belong . . . Hiddink, Muorinho, Fergie, Hector Cuper and Vicente Del Bosque. . .

Ask me for more and I still won't choose Scolari. . . So where's the worship ? You don't know enough to make conclusions . . if you are attracted to me . . . Hell No! . . I don't do such!

Why do always have an erection at Nateevs' mention of Scolari. . .

Bros. . . I do not worship Scolari. . . I support him . . . Do I need to explain the difference. . . ? Anyone on here can diss Scolari for all they want. . . My stand here is to support him . . neither parties has done anything wrong . . . It becomes wrong when we have to guts to make a fool of him when he loses matches . . and then say a player saved his job (big cowardice) when he wins matches. . .

Ok Didi scored the winning goal yesterday . . but it only turned out to be the winning goal because the defenders did not allow any more goals in . . . Didier wasn't goal-keeping, wasn't the defender. . not even a defensive midfielder. . . so what . . the others don't deserve credit ? . . . That's worship! . . . I'm sure no one will be saying Ashley saved Scolari's job if Didi did not play and Ashley turned out to score the winner. . . .

You have a problem . . . I clearly stated in my posts saying . . .

so I like to put it more like . . . he puts the desired finishing touches to the team's passing efforts. . .

. . . Now where is the Scolari worship?


I also went on to say. . .

Drogba is a good player any day. . . and a striker of everyone's envy. . . but Drogba can't take the ball from Cech and ride on to score . . . so I like to put it more like he puts the desired finishing touches to the team's passing efforts. . . He's good at it and so is Deco at finding the next player . . and Mikel at making crucial passes like the one against bolton on saturday . . or like Cech at making superb saves and Scolari at fielding the players and building up the right tactics for the game . . .

So when a goal comes . . it did not start and end with "Didier the invincible Drogba" but a combination of everyone's efforts. . . if they all take the blame for loses. . why credit one person with success?

Where's the worship?
I was actually crediting Drogba for being a good player, giving praise to all other players for support and the manager for deeming it fit to field Drogba at the right moment. . . What else do you want to see DEBO?

But you have a fantasy of replying my posts with Scolari in it . . . without patiently reading what had ensued . . . . even if I said Scolari is dead. . . you'd still reply!!!!. . . What do you need?

Anybody heard any more news about Ezequiel Lavezzi. . What's the possiblity of signing this guy in January. . . ?

Transfer News. . . .

This guy is training with the first team . . . . Not heard a lot about him . . . "Orlando Carlos Braga De Sá". . .

A few videos of him . . He scores 3 headers in a U21 game against spain . . . Soon Chelsea will become a portuguese speaking national side. . .
http://videos.sapo.pt/of6ch6RrgdVwRB0c4NbZ




Hey this is the 3rd guy coming to the club in this manner. . . It's looks like we are finally dumping the idea of splashing Millions. . .
Kenyon might be right after-all. . .

Ibime:
Whats all the bruhaha?. . . . . player helps coach win game, you guys want to turn it into something else. . . . . is the player not one of the coach's weapons?. . . . Scolari did say that he didn't have the players for long ball football, but when Drogba and Essien return he will be able to mix up the play. . . .

Abi oooo. . . .

FBS:
For me Chelsea under JM was the real Chelsea. You can feel the team strength and spirit and determination while watching them play and atimes you think your heart will burst if they don't score soon. (I personally cannot sit in one place watching them play, na from chair to chair, corner to corner ).

JM gave Chelsea the winning and fighting mentality.
I am not criticising LPS but I'm yet to see what he has brought to the table. Football is not always about playing fancibly (We already have Arsenal & Barca) but creating a winning team by sheer determination and scoring goals.

@nateevs, people worship both players and managers.

Oh Great! I loved that Chelsea as well!. . but wake up! . . . That's in the past. . . . I am beginning to think a lot of us Chelsea fans can't bear a little glitch in the process. . . . win win win . . anything else we start calling for exits . .

See 40,000 people buy season tickets and go out to watch Newcastle, knowing they won't win anything. . they still watch!. . . Some fans even turn up on relegation day with banners even though they know they are going down . . . that's devotion! I wonder what will happen if half of that happens to Chelsea. . . perhaps this thread will not even exist. .

What about fans of clubs that don't win trophies. . .? Westbrom, Wigan, Westham, Arsenal
Please stop all these Real Chelsea this . . former Chelsea that and let's move on . . . We are not doing too badly this season . .
We will get better in the UCL . . definitely
And I'l say it again, 2008/2009. . it's Chelsea's premiership . . . Shikena!

somze:
Any neat pass or flick is now accredited to Scolari? Don't be so gullible.

FA Cup finals - neat pass from Mikel to Lampard to Drogba to goal.

UEFA 2004 against Arsenal, neat counter attack led to goal by Bridge.

And I can mention a lot others.

OK . . So according to you. . Drogba won the FACup final . .not JM. . .  and Bridge took us to the semi-finals of the UCL . .not Ranieri. .  uhm?

What I am trying to tell you is not that Scolari caused them to pass. . . but the importance of team-work which includes the Manager's thoughts of fielding a player when it's due. . . rather than worshiping players. . .

Drogba is a good player any day. . . and a striker of everyone's envy. . . but Drogba can't take the ball from Cech and ride on to score . . . so I like to put it more like he puts the desired finishing touches to the team's passing efforts. . . He's good at it and so is Deco at finding the next player . . and Mikel at making crucial passes like the one against bolton on saturday . . or like Cech at making superb saves and Scolari at fielding the players and building up the right tactics for the game . . .


So when a goal comes . . it did not start and end with "Didier the invincible Drogba" but a combination of everyone's efforts. . . if they all take the blame for loses. . why credit one person with success?


Stop this worship please!!!

In a game where Anelka was missing and Scolari on the verge of an emotional breakdown, it took the hindsight and accuracy of Drogba to save the day.

As well as a sublime overhead pass from Mikel and a similar one from Joe to find Drogba. . a move co-incidentally inspired by a passing game introduced by the same Scolari . . .

Scolari loses at home! . . He has no clue. .
Scolari wins at home!. . . The player won it . . .  When are you going to stop worshipping players?


And did you just say Drogba was not influential when he first came ?
So some things bad at first can turn out influential. . . ? I wonder what you said about Drog as well when he wasn't influential?

somze:
For you anything Scolari does is acceptable . . . Roman however has less patience.

Oh Please!
Why did you not say Scolari won't do too badly when Drogba returns. . Instead you were calling for his sack . . and comparing him with Grant and Jose even when Drogba was a big part of their own successes as well. .

Now Drogba will save Scolari's Job. . . How ridiculous!!!!


For you, I wonder what will happen if Drogba and Lampard were no longer in Chelsea. .

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=196587.msg3202840#msg3202840 date=1228859192]Fair assessment. . . . . . .

Anyways, finishing 2nd in your group is ominous. . . . .
U have opened yourself to teams like Barcelona, Man Utd, Liverpool and Panathanikos, Lyon, Arsenal and Juventus.
Letz wait and see what Roman would BUY in January!!!

Goodnight, bro!!![/quote]Bring 'em on . . . To win, you must be able to play and beat the best . . .
We can only meet Barcelona, Lyon, Panathanikos and Juve. . no English teams yet. .
Too bad we can't meet Jose now. . . Till February. .

somze:
Great come back by Drogba . . . He probably saved Scolari's job.

That's rubbish! . . . Big Rubbish. . .

@Chac. .

Going by our recent performances. . We are not good enough to win it . . .
Having said that, you are out only when you are out. . . We have Drog back, Joe will get match fitness. . . Essien will be back, Carvalho too. . . .  

You might be seeing the rebirth of "CHELSEA"

Mikel off . . .Save a red card. . . It's only a goal lead though!!!  
Play must not break down . . .



[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=196587.msg3202776#msg3202776 date=1228858149]Congrats Nateevs. . . . . .Cluj  players are TIRED so it should be a cake walk for the Chavs from here.
I hope we meet y'all in the Q/final or the Semis.[/quote]You know it takes 90mins for me to conceed . . I am not shaken . . . . I told you yesterday it's a done deal !!!!!!

@Chac. .

What a night . .

everyone shouts SHHHHHOOOOOOOOT when Belletti gets the ball . . .
Loving that. . .

It's been a while we saw that from Mikel . . .

somze:
Didier the invincible Drogba . . .

I knew you'ld come out now. . .