₦airaland Forum

Jakumo:
Now we are getting somewhere at last Megida Alhaji Chucks. The BILL is what you have reposed all your hopes and aspirations upon. Is that not correct ?

My question to you is why the puck is a government BILL needed in the first place ? Nigeria is a free market economy, and most of the arable land in Nigeria land is owned by private individuals who may, or may NOT be willing to sell land to you and your herds of cows. Why seeking government intervention into what is inherently a voluntary process of negotiation and purchase, for those land owners who wish to sell ?

Do you feel people should be FORCED by the govenment to sell their land if they do NOT want to do so ?

Please enlighten this hardened, unrepentant infidel. I wish to learn more about the way your mind works, because it really is fascinating to hear your increasingly desperate arguments in favor of authorizing government LAND GRABS in southern Nigeria.

Implementation of the provisions of the bill will save lives and reduce the violence we see across the country due to conflicting interests. It is irresponsible not to look for a solution which could save lives.

Your land grab argument is hypocritical at best. I do not hear your likes screaming "Land Grab" when States and Federal governments acquire land to build roads, highways, Universities, etc, which benefit you. There are mechanisms in place for legally acquiring land for the said grazing purposes. So stop using the nonsensical land grab argument. May I also suggest that you get hold of the said grazing bill and read.

Please note: If you decide to call yourself a hardened, unrepentant infidel, that is your cup of tea; it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of discussion. It is also noteworthy that my dagger is always nearby

Jakumo:
Keep preaching sir ha ha ha. Only in your expansionist DREAMS will you and your Boko Haram cows grab land by force of government decree in modern DEMOCRATIC Nigeria. The dark years of dictatorship and camel jockeys taking slaves are long over. Wake up and face reality. It really is over, all that chit.

There is no intention whatsoever to grab any land by force. Protect yourself from unrealistic imaginations which could becloud your better judgment.

Time will tell whether the bill will become law. When it does, I'm sure the online yapping will continue.

Baba is too much

vodutive:
Nonsense! Nduchuks, you have freedom of movement but does that give you the right to wander into my land? Son't I have constitutional right to security of life and my property? Nobody is denying Freedom of movement but owners of the Land are saying don't come on my land....my land is not yours! when did right to ffree movement supersede right to security of life and property?

What is your objection to the National Grazing bill which would solve the problems faced by the land owners you described above?

Jakumo:
Nice try buddy, and humorous too. You know very well, despite your flimsy pretense to ignorance, that Raum Dauter is merely presenting a hypothetical case for consideration, by rhetorically asking whether northerners in their homeland, who universally DESPISE pigs out of religious conviction, would allow anyone to herd pigs through their streets in the way northerners herd cattle through the streets of towns and cities EVERYWHERE in Nigeria.

Well, as you also know very well, NO northern Nigerian town's Muslim inhabitants would allow any pig-rearing INFIDEL (non-Muslim) to herd or keep pigs ANYWHERE that they could be seen by the general public, talk less of walking them down city streets, an act which in northern Nigeria would probably earn the pig herder instant decapitation by a screeching mob of bloodthirsty fundamentalist fanatics, who would then proceed to parade the town with the severed pig farmer's head on a stick, along with those of several heads of his pet pigs, for good measure.

Now we are hopefully on the same page regarding the ZERO tolerance northern Nigerians would display towards any southerner, or other non-Muslim that is foolhardy enough to display FORBIDDEN pigs to Muslims in their homeland, perhaps you can come off your high horse, and also kindly stuff your quaint suggestion that SOUTHERNERS should tolerate NORTHERN terrorist cattle men and their herds of free-range cows, to roam randomly while consuming the precious food crops by the ton, before later graduating up to ALLOCATING southern land to themselves by virtue of forcibly IMPOSED federal law, passed under the guise of seeking "cooperation", between the crop destroyers and their perennial victims, the southern farmers.

As I told the poster you referred to, the issue of raising pigs has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, and is not germane to this thread. It is nothing but a red herring.

As to your insecurity with Usman Dan Fodio's historical conquests, I'm afraid I can cure you of that.

The Fulani nomads have chosen to live as nomads, while other Fulanis, including our great President, choose not to live as such. The issue here is how to resolve the conflicts between nomadic herdsmen and farmers. Until now, you have offered zero solution. If you have any practical solution other than those itemized the National Grazing bill, which you vehemently oppose, I'm all ears.

Dear Mr. President, barka da zu wa.

أهلا بك

freeze001:
Time was when we were all næked and happy. Today we wear clothes and can't do without them. Mr President for instance is a fulani man. He owns cattle but doesn't herd them. He doesn't roam either except u mean his incessant travelling makes him an executive nomad.
Just like him, most owners of the cattle are not the herders on the street, they are established and educated business men.
Let those educated men establish their ranches.

Their tradition is their business, government is not meant to enhance one tradition over others. Nomadic lifestyle is alien to Southerners so if they cannot adapt to mote modern ways of life, do not expect d South to suddenly imbibe or accommodate them. They can roam in the North and operate ranches in the South.

You will agree with me that these violent conflicts remain unacceptable and will continue until reasonable people among us find solutions which respect ALL parties involved.

raumdeuter:
Can we have same benefits for those who would like rear our pigs in open range in the Northern states.

They sell these animals for profit, then they should make investment in ranches in the Northern states and pass the cost into the selling price of cattle

Our focus on this problem should be herdsmen vs farmers. When those of you who raise pigs start having problems which turn into violence, we can discuss how to solve them. Lets stay focused if we can. Thanks

freeze001:
I already gave u a practical alternative. Read again.

Here is your solution

Secondly, the solution remains legislation mandating all cattle rearers to acquire and equip ranches for their cattle within a specific time. The government, in supporting d development of agriculture should make available low interest loans and training for ownership and operation of ranches.

Ranching is not undesirable and the output of this technique is transported via roads and rail from the North to the South. I also agree that low interest loans and training for ownership should be provided to encourage ranching. Unfortunately, this does not address the issue at hand i.e. herdsmen/farmer conflicts which have become violent in many cases.

The herdsmen are nomads who are unwilling to give up their way of life. A way of life they've practiced for possibly hundreds of years. It will take a generation to educate the nomads to the point that they become successful ranchers if they are willing to abandon their way of life.

The realities are that, the nomads want to remain nomads, and it is their right to choose how they wish to live their lives. What a responsible government does is to reduce violent conflicts among its citizens due to conflicting interests. This is exactly what the national Grazing bill, if implemented would do.

I'm afraid your Ranching proposal is impractical. You have to be exposed to western education to be able to run a Ranch successfully.

freeze001:
Outside this, no state in the south will cede its lands to d FG for rearing of cattle. It is not d business of the FG. The role of d FG with our crazy central policing is to ensure adequate and effective protection for all citizens, both their lives and properties.

I think you'll find that the statement in bold is not accurate.

There is already a significant amount of land already vested in the Federal government or its agencies within all states, which can be designated for grazing. Additionally, state Governors can be encouraged "presidentially" to donate additional land. The National Grazing bill is workable and will save lives.

The status quo is not good enough particularly, as you know, no state is empowered to forcefully prevent any Nigerian from moving through the state. The herdsmen will continue to move their cattle as needed, pockets of violence will continue to be present, until a bill such as the national grazing bill is passed and implemented. I am yet to see a practical alternative to the said grazing bill.

Would you happen to have a practical alternative solution in mind? If so, I'm all ear.

freeze001:
One real need is NO GRAZING ROUTES OR ZONES which he has addressed with dispatch! You are there considering the culture of nomads as more important than owners of land and farmers who do not roam abi?
If they cannot invest in proper ranches as business ventures, there's massive arable land for roaming and grazing up north. Sambisa alone is rumoured to be bigger than Lagos or even Enugu State.

Amosun's opposition to grazing zones fail to solve the problem the zones will help to resolve. This is a sign of irresponsible leadership. If he opposes the grazing bill, what solutions has he proffered? None that I am aware of. The status quo remains unacceptable.

The greatest minds including scientists have acknowledged that the human mind and his/her brain's capacity is finite (limited), hence there are certain things which will always remain incomprehensible to man and his/her puny brain.

The answer to the question, Who created God, is one of those which the human brain is incapable of providing.

A starting point is to try to define God. I bet you humans cannot even do that without disagreements and even killing themselves off because of different definitions. Atheists are not excluded as they too will be killed off as infidels.

The concept of God is better left to faith. Employing logic, science, and the like, to this issue, is an exercise in futility.

RIP to the dead. - Innalilahi wa ina ileihi rajiun

Lets hope irresponsible and incompetent officials do not jump into their usual cop-out position by calling the invaders, Fulani herdsmen, without any evidence.

Amosun needs to focus on addressing the real needs of Ogun State residents instead of wasting his spit on opposing responsible grazing zones.

As for you Igbo and Yoruba folks on this thread who are insulting each other on this thread - I say, a big Shame On You!

raumdeuter:
The herdsman can move anywhere but not the cattle. Does Freedom of movement allow me to rear my pig on the streets of Sokoto and Kano

It seems to me as if you'd be OK with designated grazing zones for herdsmen so that they can move around while their way of life is preserved.

If billions of naira are spent to build road networks which cut across several states, what is wrong with a grazing area which would allow herdsmen to move their products much like you move yours through the said road networks?

coolitempa:
Unfortunately for you but fortunately so for me, I have more important things to do with my time than employ same in a discuss that is invariably an exercise in futility.....like I said to you earlier, let them dare pass such a bill first.... ...then we shall see.... .....in the meantime get off my face... ...I do not engage id!ots....

So far all you've done is throw insults by calling me a dunce and an idiot. My apologies for responding to your post in the first place.

coolitempa:
We await passage of the law..... ...please keep us informed...

Please give us your ideas on one or more life saving solutions if you are able. I'm all ears.

Babacele:
....may become law but hasn't yet. Apart from the southern oppositions to the bill, it will be difficult to convince Plateau,Benue, Southern Kaduna, parts of Kogi ,Taraba and even Nasarawa and the FCT. note that this isn't the first time we are having Grazing Reserves but didn't work. I think we should embrace the 21 st century realities which is agribusiness that any nigerian herdsmen particularly fulanis can take advantage of.

May I suggest that you read the provisions of the Grazing bill? You'll soon find out that it contains all the recipes for success.

modath:
You believe? You are free to wish..Unless it is done in utmost secrecy, baring that, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

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What would you suggest as a practical solution to this problem. We all agree that the status quo is unacceptable.

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You gotta give it from my brothers and sisters from another mother, in the East.

May our brothers from the South learn from this lesson on tolerance.

modath:
I didn't make this tribal, I can't claim to be detribalized cos that will be falsehood from the depth of hell BUT I don't examine events from tribal perspectives ONLY, that isn't MO style, It's the exclusive preserve of small minded souls....

Can you explain what that part highlighted means? I am the one making it tribal bah?

The herdsmen will be encouraged to embrace ranching like they did their rubber shoes & clothes, Life is evolving, they can't be allowed to "choose" to subjugate us in our lands!! NAH!!!


N.B... "lots" was uncalled for, apologies.. things got heated/emotional but I still stand by the fact that you northerners are trying to strong arm the south into "bowing" to the cattle grazing route thing & God willing we won't take it!

You, of all people, do not need to explain that you do not examine things from the tribal perspective. Your posts are typically well thought-out and balanced. Your posts are one of the few I enjoy reading.

As for your question: I can authoritatively state here that bill known as "An Act for the Establishment of the National Grazing Reserve (Establishment And Development) Commission for The Preservation And Control of National Grazing Reserves and Stock Routes And for Other Matters Connected Therewith" sponsored by Senator Zainab Kure, has already been submitted.

I believe this bill will be passed by a majority of NASS in due course, with the appropriate give and take negotiations with opponents, coupled by sundry encouragements and the full support of Myetti Allah and other interest groups.

modath:
See the devious way you gave rights to cattle rearers but none to the farmers whose hard work & livelihood are being destroyed.

What exactly do you people have against ranching? Cos of no free food for dem cows bah? Be honest.

Amosun is the one who Announced plans to deny herdsmen their right to free movement within his state. I have nothing against farmers and do not support the destruction of their crops by anyone. Having said that, if the herdsmen want to continue living the way they have been living for the past hundreds of years, who are you to impose "Ranching" on them?

modath:
Since everyone has free movement anywhere they choose, I enjoin you to "trepsass" into your neighbour's home and lie down on his bed since it's part of your "entire country"

My main point is that the status quo is unacceptable, both people in host communities and herdsmen are losing their lives. The National Grazing Bill offers a solution which will significantly reduce, if not end the violence and conflicts. Amosun should be part of the solution and not part of the problem.

modath:
Domesticated really? Unfortunately, my tribe doesn't put humans & animals on the same scale, neither do we place higher premium on "our" animals in comparison to humans of other tribes so I will waka pass your subtle insult...

Haba, sebi you saw the quotes around "domesticated" in my post. Why are you assuming that my statement has anything to do with tribe?

modath:
No, Mr you are not looking for a way to reduce violence, you lots want to intimidate & blackmail us, what you guys are advocating is to have your way or the highway & it's not going to happen.. & SIA has our blessing and support!! SW says NO!!! Nah, kojo, kolewerk.

BTW, the award for irresponsible, narrowminded & actually silly is for Rabiu Musa kwankwanso for going to Lagos to threaten our able Akin Ambode over Mile 12 market relocation......

Again you are trying to turn this national problem into a tribal issue. I didn't expect you to do this. What do you mean by "you lots", above? Rabiu's actions have absolutely nothing to do with any of my statements.

The technique of introducing tribalism while discussing important national issues is wrong and you should refrain from using it.

Jakumo:
It makes a refreshing change to see a couple of Amazon women holding court here on the Nairaland political battlefield , and working in unison as a tag-team to tear our learned but confused friend, NduChucks, a brand new rectal orifice for solid waste disposal. This is a positive development for sure, and in conclusion, may I thoughtfully observe as follows : Yeeeeeeeehaaaww !

What is the matter with this man? How dare you call these nairaland women, Amazon women? Don't you realize that the women from the Amazon are uncivilized and that the Amazon is a jungle?

One would have thought by now, you would have been sober.

coolitempa:
This dunce of a human keeps making posts that he himself shares. I tell you your proposals are dead on arrival.

There is no need for name calling, my sister?

What you call my proposal is actually more than that. There exists a bill which will, Insha Allah, become law soon. May I suggest that you reach out to your law makers to oppose this bill? The herdsmen have done their part by pressuring law makers to examine the grazing problem and come up with legislation which can save lives. The bill has been written and will be passed soon enough.

Known as "A Bill for An Act for the Establishment of the National Grazing Reserve (Establishment And Development) Commission for The Preservation And Control of National Grazing Reserves and Stock Routes And for Other Matters Connected Therewith", it has been introduced and will be signed into law, soon enough.

The National Grazing Bill has Seven Parts - google is your friend, use it. dolo

modath:
So, in the exercise of their right to waka about, these nomads are "free" to infringe on other people's rights to peace & security of lives, livelihood & properties in their ancestral land?! You try!

Pray tell how to think out of the box & apply these "ingenious solutions"?

With due respect, I am not proposing infringing upon anyone's rights. What we have here is a major conflict between the way of life of many Nigerian herdsmen, who have the right to roam around anywhere in the country, and farmers whose crops are being destroyed as a result of grazing.

When the herdsmen's way of life is threatened by urban sprawl, population growth etc, they respond with violence. I'm of the opinion that anyone who is caught in the said act of violence should be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Thinking out of the box, in my opinion, includes taking the first step and providing a "grazing highway" to the herdsmen which would limit the conflicts and actually save lives.

The herdsmen have a constitutional right to free and safe movement throughout the entire country. The said grazing zone will significantly reduce these violent conflicts which have become all too familiar.

Madam, the Federal and State governments spend billions of naira to build road networks for you and other "domesticated" Nigerians. Without those roads, you too may have to cut across people's property to get from point A to point B, causing conflicts which could become violent.

The truth of the matter is, the herdsmen are nomads and it is their constitutional right to remain so, if they wish.

I am 100% for looking for ways to reduce the violence. Amosun's statement is irresponsible, narrow minded, and actually silly

bejeiodus:
What is wrong with the proposed grazing zone is the involvement of the federal government in what should be a private business.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you regarding the statement above. The conflict at hand is becoming more violent and threatens the security of host communities and herdsmen alike. You'd also agree with me that this has become a national problem. To say that this is an issue of private business is a bit insincere.

The nature of the problem calls for government involvement at the federal level. The grazing zone proposal, if implemented, will be a very good first step. Note that some of the land allotted to grazing could come from land areas already vested to the Federal Government within any state. The remaining areas would be purchased from current land owners or donated by state governments. Farmers and others who may be displaced would be adequately compensated, much like states compensate displaced people due to development activities.

@ Jakumo, there is nothing in the proposed legislation which suggests, Land Grab, as you put it.

Guys, this is a very workable first step solution.

theV0ice:
Very good governor Amosun.

Cattle rearing is a business like poultry and pigry. As poultry farmers and pigry operators build homes for their animals, so should cattle rearers buy land and build ranches for their cattle business.

This is a very insensitive statement which smacks of ignorance. It completely ignores the nomadic way of life of the herdsmen. To truly solve the problem at hand one must consider all of its components and apply ingenious solutions.

Thinking outside of the box coupled with wisdom is essential here.

Obanikoro should exercise his right to defend himself by appearing in court to claim his property and file a lawsuit against EFCC na

A flight will only take him a few hours. barayi

N40million is not a lot of money and it is not worth the embarrassment to Sheriff.

Sheriff should make a deal with EFCC by reporting and refunding the money promptly. no long tin

santos2020:
SMALL BOY,what do know about LOVE,you think marrige is the same as dating/friendship,ASK why is your parents ard no longer sitting together at the church or waking on the street.

lol

My parents are together in heaven after spending 50 years together as married couples on earth.

Who knows, your Mom may be one of those babes I screwed and dumped back in the day. dolo

DaBullIT:
APC is so clueless : the party recovered 3.3 trillion from our smart yam eaters in less than a year,
This clueless Party has jailed about 5 - 10 stubborn and very powerful and insanely rich yam eaters and nothing happened

My brother IgboDelta , you are sitting on a long thing


As for Ayo He should have been arrested a long time ago , Walahi i swear to Allah , but when the decision was made, some sensible people advised Buhari not to arrest CAN President because some erdyots will claim Buhari is targeting Christians

Now that Buhari has dealt with a Muslim leader first, Arresting AYo , the Swagalicious pastor will not bring so much noise

and that's common sense in reality , not the ones on twitter



DanBoroBanka

kwarai

logicab:
No doubt you are familiar with rhetorical questions.

I'm pretty sure you are well versed in tongue-in-cheek responses as well.

edoyad:
He is from Nembe, Bayelsa state

KDJ boy, so you are still with us.