₦airaland Forum

Communication and feedback are two powerful tools in human relations. SNC will be good starting point and I hope all sides are represented by great and skillful negotiators.

We will see what comes out. The will of the people is paramount.

I am sad that great visionaries who have proven track records for pulling something of this magnitude off are all dead. The leaders we have now are unphilosophical and undisciplined - the primary grievance of the common man.

Nice chatting with you :-)

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@Negro_Ntns, you missread me if you think that I believe that dissolution can be achieved through any savage act as you put it. It suffices to say that, even if dissolution takes place amicably, it would still result to the killing of millions of innocent Nigerians, many of who are my relatives from North, east, West, and South.

I believe the Western region has the best chance of surviving without much bloodshed after the dissolution. I do believe that there will be all kinds of wars in other areas resulting to the deaths of innocent Nigerians. We are better off managing what we have. I think every thinking Nigerian would agree that there will be turf wars all over - denying this elementary fact would be dishonest. I am too unselfish to call for dissolusion knowing fully well that it could lead to chaos and unprecedented violence. You may disagree with me, but this is my stance.

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I understand your stance and you share with many others on here who have done a mental calculation of the bigger risk they will face in a reduced landscape with far greater competition were the unified regions to disintegrate into local but sovereing lands. That attitude is selfish and material-centered.

The continued struggle to do better than the next person is nothing but a rat race. You are better than the next person only when your advancement acts in tandem effect to theirs and thus a net growth is achieved on both sides of the lower and upper rungs of this social ladder.

Unfortunately that's not what your calculations aim to achieve. You want to continue in the status quo of keeping a wide and intimidating distance between these two rungs. It has been the tradition for years under the unified nation. In the course of that time, many lives have been lost that could ever be lost in this projected bloodshed you throw up in the consequence of a dissolution.

True an immediate reality and fear will complicate issues and might erupt into bloodhshed but a Yoruba shedding a Yoruba blood, or Igbo shedding his brothers blood is more tolerable than having a Hausa or Fulani do it, and even insulting when it is done on my soil. Moreover, any such brotherly shed of blood is not long lasting and repetitive because it creates awareness for what I call process improvement in relations. Whereas, such an improvement has never been and cannot be expected in an otherwise scenario. This situatuion applies as well to a Yoruba or Igbo shedding Hausa blood.

A bloodshed that brings improvement to my land on the long run is a far more desirable one that keeps me despirited and in bondage.


A unified Nigeria that promises doom and dam_n is a less acceptable than a Yorubaland that empowers my aspirations.

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You are now plotting the deaths of millions more of them by calling for dissolution.

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You are very unprogressive if, to you, dissolution is only achievable through a savage act on the scale of Boko Haram or worse.

Another demonstration of your backwardness is this lag to comprehend the total scope of a "derived income". Your local champion ego placed it erroneously under your beastly snout.

This world has moved past all of that.

_chuks,

The reason you want a one-Nigeria is clear, you derive a sweet income from the sweat of somebdy else underfoot that struggles hard and could barely breakthrough. That someone more likely you don't even see or hear from so you are emtionaly disengaged from their agony and grief. For that person, Nigeria has failed and should be dissolved and because they have no voice to share that feedback to you and give a burden of their plight on your conscience, I and others like me in this position of dissolution are their voice.

Its a shared role! We speak they act. When it goes down I won't be the face in front of you, they will, but until then, I'm the voice hear.

_chucks,

I see the validity of your point for unity. In a case of willing states coming together to form union which later went sour, yes a conciliatory path exist.

The keyword is "willing".

We are unwilling states, the spirit does not subscribe to it even though we regimentally participate in it. The spirits need to be freed.

Hey Kasiem,

Slow down. . . What is military hectoring?

Dede is it you or Obahiagbon training kasiem and Houvez all these big grammar?

Vicenzo,

No, you got it wrong. Igbo's future should never ever again be entrusted in the hand of a "cukoo" like Ojukwu.

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Who did the fighting? It was not the Yoruba. It was Northern soldiers who were located in your land

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So then Adekunle should be hero to you considering he did not fight against Biafra, Northern soldiers fought our battle. Also considering that he protected a safeway passage to Igbo soldiers but they all ended up in arms way anyway.

You ought to be build a memorial for Adekunle in East, in fact your streets shoukld should have his name. Right?

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Yes they killed many of my people, but we definitely took many of them with us. Or have you forgotten about that?

Blood for blood.

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Justice has been exacted. Nobody owes anybody anything anymore!!!

This point is bookmarked for reference on the talks of the january 66 and July 66 coup.
The assault and the reprisal evened itself out. The igbo is proud of its coup and stand behind the actuions if its boys; hausa is proud of its cooup and rampage and stand behind the actons of its soldiers.

Yoruba is proud of its blockage to Biafra's advance to its land and the eventual eviction of biafra from midWest.
Everyone happy?

Time to heal!

Healing!

Some ppl have said dissolving the nation will erase it but I say no. Dissolution prevent a repeat of the root cause of the war but it doesn't take away the memories of the losses which could act as catalyst for another war in future between the neighboring new sovereignties.

There is psychological pain and healing is a best way to treat the anger and resentment.

Daily occurence of killing who?

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That happened during the dark age. We are in another century now. See christian nations Britain, America, EU protecting the muslims even more than their own people. That is what muslims too should be doing. American government is building Mosque from state reserve. Can saudi build church from their purse ?

Muslims need to learn how to tolerate.
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I hope the Jews can hear you and let the past be past. I hope the parents of molested children and the victims can hear this and forget the past. I hope the mourning parents in Sweden can read your post and wipe their tears to the past. I hope the victims of Boko Haram can forgive and brush it off and move on.

After all that's all in the past! Tomorrow is a new day!

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Without any resistance from a suspect,all he needs is just a razor blade to cut the rope.Left for me,I'd have recommened barbed wire.
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Ah Bluetooth, barbed wire ke? Thank God you are not the IG of Police, human rights group for sue Nigeria.

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Negro_ntn, don't argue blindly with me I'm not a child and this is the age of information!!!

And the first 2 are just Nigerian ones, if I pull global records on human rights abuse through Sharia for you, I will be accused of islamophobia,

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9ja,

I think you are taking this thing too personal. The videos and the links are not Sharia. Those are penalties for violating the law. Nobody gets penalized without a trial and conviction of guilt. I never said people don't get hands cut off for stealing so the links really are not addressing my responses to the various questions you asked. I'm going to present a scenario to you.

Nazi germany was a christian crusade against the Jews. The catholic church knew about it and turned the other way in order not to be a witness and then they helped facilitated the escape of Nazi officers from Europe to Brazil and elsewhere. Is that what the christian Bible said to do?

Priests practicing h/o/m/o/s/e/x/u/ality with boys. Is that what Bible teaches ?

The guys in Norway that just went on rampage and killed people. Is that what christianity teaches?

Timothy Mcveigh in America destroyed lives and properties in defense of a christian group. Is that what Bible teaches?

These are all human atrocities against other humans. They stepped away from what the Bible but unfortunately they use verses in the Bible to justify egotistical rage.

So I need you to differentiate between what people do and what Quran say to do. Just because Boko say they fight Jihad doesn't mean Quran sanction an unjustified killing of lives and destruction. If you don't understand the Quran and the Sharia, then saying Islam do this and Sharia do that. The very things you accuse Islam of doing is in fact on christian side, we don't need to list. I am balanced between the two. For me looking outward I don't see christian or moslem, I see people. For you loking outward, you see christians as good and moslems as evil. Our views are not reconciliable unless our outlook is from the same point.

9ja,

I am very knowledgble in the Sharia. I see your knowledge of it is based on hearsay.

Women are protected under Sharia. I don't know where you get this info about Sharia disriminates against women. Men generally want to subdue women and they will find excuse to do so. There is nowhere in the islamic jurispudence that disriminates on women. When a woman commits adultery, if tried and convicted the man she had the adulterous intercourse with if also tried and cconvicted, then both of them are punished. It will be discriminative if she was singled out for the punishment.

On theft, do you know how many families have been ruined in Nigeria by armed robbers? Our law is pside down. In Saudi when prayer is called you don't need to lock your shop to step away to mosque for prayers. You leave everything as is and when you come back it is still as you left it. That's because they have law that takes of that. Can a trader do that here in Nigeria?

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Let those wearing cassocks stop disturbing our peace. Gentlemen (journalists), being peaceful doesn’t mean we are cowards. We warn them to stop disturbing our peace if they want us to live together in Nigeria. Everybody can go his way; we don’t have to live together. We can’t live under people dictating to us how we should live our lives even within the laws of the country.

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The North has indicated in this statement its flexibility either way on the national question and eventual dissolution of the country. This is a show of resolve that they are open to it if persuaded.

So great opportunity now for Gej to call the SNC.

We should be talking about this as the new focus and energy and leave Sanusi alone. No amount of chatter and grammar to describe his actions will get them turn to turn around on the Jaiz bank. Its a lost cause already but SNC is not lost and we can push through discussions here and through media outlet to influence Aso Rock to wake up and march forward.

What do you think? Respond.

9ja,

You are chopping my statements out of their block to fire your thoughts at me.
I can relate with how you feel on this issue generally but do me a favor, I need you to read to understand, and not read to respond.

First, on Sharia.

If you accept an invitation to come skydiving with me and its your first time you will enjoy the plane ride on take off and look ahead to the adventure but as we get further away frm take off fear will begin to show in your appearance and when we get to the launch altitude and bearing you will be tense, unsure and needing reassurance. The more jumps we do together in a tandem the more safer and confident you get until you are ready to do a solo jump, then the fear returns but this time of being by yourself. In every new encounter there is the fear of the unknown. There is nothing harmful in Sharia. What we ought to fear is the people that execute laws over us and lead us, not the laws themselves.

The people

The Nigerian moslem is no more of a devil than his christian counterpart. A theory of physical motion in physics said "to every action in one direction there is equal reaction in opposite direction" Be mindful that its only a theory and at the minimum that theory is true. How about at the maximum?  The possibilities cover to wide of a range to be listed. Therefore our leaders need to be careful and not stalemate into turf lines.

On Jesus and wine
We lie to ourselves in order to get intoxicated and misbehave and then lie on Jesus about it. Remember that the translated Bible we read was not revealed or written in English language or Latin or Greek. It was originally written in Old Hebrew and then translated to about two or three more languages before english. In certain languages exact match in words and meaning are not possible and the closest in meaning has to be substituted. The wine meant in the Bible is not the liquor we call wine today.

It is blasphemous to attribute Jesus (SAW) name to any substance that make a man act ugly in his character towards another human. Bible did not sanction consumption of liquor and neither does Quran. During the age of abolition here in America liquor was banned because it was destroying families but capitalists fought and won it back into the bars.

On non-interest banking

It was not borrowed by Islam, it was mandated for moslems. The bank is not going to be called Islamic banking, its name is Jaiz banking. Now, as far as its function, you said christians practiced it (non-interest banking) as well, then there is no problem with this one.

I still believe the nation and the people have misplaced priorities here.  I don't care how much people talk and chatter about this thing the North have made up their mind and in the latest report I read they hinted that they need it for their region and it should be tolerated for them as co owners in Nigeria but if its not possible to co exist then to go separate ways.

You see we Southerners talk about Northerners being dumb. No, we are dumb!!, they are smart.

They have hinted right there in that report their flexibility to stay or split. Yet, instead of people jumping on Gej neck to get in action, we are still chattering about how bad Sanusi is. There are many events that change overnight and cause them to change mind about leaving, they did it before!  

So, my brother, drop this talk about Islamic banking and start opening posts about National question (SNC) in view of the North's invitation to it.

Or do you not agree?

Koruji,

I understand that functionally the CBN is at arms length from other cabinets but organizationally the governor is appointed by a higher authority and that authority is who I meant.

I will be honest you, we have a stalemate already on this matter.

You said something about when talks break down religious leaders are often approached for mediation. Are you serious?

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what is your take on the discriminative measure isalmic banking will take?

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There can be aspects of it that non-moslems will regard as discriminative. But that's general, I can respond more satisfactorily if you narrow it down to maybe top five suspects.

I also want to share that we be careful in the choice of words and the meaning in content, not necessariy the definition of the word, but rather the social applicatiuon of the word. Discriminate will infer that people are turned away who ordinary qualify. So for example we all know that an Islamic should not and will not loan money to invest in a beer parlour. That category does not ordinarily qualify and so if someone's application was rejected on that basis, is that discrimination?

Some people will say yes.


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Do you support it? If Jonathan drops the bomb on islamic banking, will you be mad?

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Of course I support Islamic bank any day. It is the cleanest and most community friendly bank there is. Look, political leaders are talking about enviromental friendly concepts, the community is an environment.

Personally I don't think Sanusi should have launched it the way he arrogantly did. Our leaders generally are not taught leadership skills. A person graduates, gets a job and a position and develop skills aloing the way navigating around obstacles and learning from the experiences. No one is tutored about the delicacies and finesse of human interaction and the power of communication.

The best negotiators and most effective and successful leaders are those who understand the need to reach out and touch another person using their EQ (emotional quotient) to bridge and acknowledge the soul's desire for
acceptance. Our studies and training focuses too much on the relevance and importance of IQ and none on EQ. Consequently when we are required to step away from the papers and the computers and console and comfort and heal one another we fail, we respond mechanically rather than intuitively. We don't have a human connectuion to one another.

Sanusi, as a prince and a Islamic scholar, ought to have these competencies and apply them. The fact he did not suggests he is himself executing an higher order required of him.

There is no question in my mind on what Gej ought to do on this matter. He has a legitimate and perfectly placed opportunity to facilitate and call a non-informal meeting of traditional leaders, governors, military leaders and sample their opinion on the national question.

He should ask their help to hold everything else that's on the national agenda pending a draft response from the leaders.

There are many powers available to him to block Sanusi, but there is no need for esclation on issues that can effectively be resolved through communication and negotiation.

Power and force should be kept in the back pocket for when they are truly needed. This can be resolved without taking a turf position which makes deliberations difficult later on.

Koruji, pls bear with me I will respond I had a pending matter that carried over and need to attend to that first.

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houvest:
@katsumoto. Facts? What facts? More like a badly concocted cocktail of hurriedly assembled jaundiced opinions conveniently placed with information selectively  gathered with biased hindsight and intricately and conspiratorially woven together with one intent; to prove a conclusion hopefully desired. 95 per cent of recorded history and later events are disregarded and only 5 percent of prejudicial evidence are mixed together with hateful anti matter to try to form matter. But it sadly falls into shreds under the powerful search light of critical thinking and higher criticism and rationalism.

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Dude,

Is this what you want me to sit and observe? Rotflmao!!

You've been listening to too much of Obahiagbon's speeches.