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Jobs/VacanciesRe: Partake In This Weekly Politics/general Knowledge Quiz Competition To Win N,5000 by nelsonoba(op): 5:02pm On Aug 07, 2018
amanze2020:
Can one person retake the quiz several times? Just asking oooo.
The answer to your question is yes. But you need to read the guideline on the beginning of the quiz to understand how taking it twice affects your ranking
PoliticsRe: Partake In This Weekly Politics/general Knowledge Quiz Competition To Win N,5000 by nelsonoba(op): 3:23pm On Aug 07, 2018
Winners are announced every Sunday night.....
Jobs/VacanciesRe: Partake In This Weekly Politics/general Knowledge Quiz Competition To Win N,5000 by nelsonoba(op): 12:14pm On Aug 07, 2018
Winners are announced on Sunday evenings, and get their cash prize immediately
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after sign up, click on "Weekly Quiz Competition" on the menu bar to start the quiz test. You will see your score immediately at the end of the quiz.

Note: This is a free entry competition to encourage reading, you are not paying any money to sign up or partake in the quiz, it is totally free, and the weekly winner gets N5,000 while 1st runner-up for the week gets N2,500, 2nd runner up gets N2,000, and a randomly selected participant from among those who scored up to 50% also gets N2,000 . It is not a joke or scam. people are already winning each week. Good luck
Christianity EtcRe: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by nelsonoba: 9:16pm On Jan 28, 2018
josielewa:
firstly, i came out of my mums ass...now u saying it was only just translated to english..do you know why it was translated...i guess you know not...the same reason queen Elizabeth 1 exiled herself...now it was translated and tampered with becos of the leadership hierarchy..the puritans, protestant and others never wanted to be subjective to the bishop becos of the secular ways the office was going which was annoying the anglicans.so even it was translated by and in the corpus christi college..a secular one at DAT...guy read your history b4 u come here to argue
You have missed my point! I was letting you know that even if we assumed king James was gay and he changed many things in his translation, since that time there have been many other translations of the Bible by other people/groups and that is why today you have king James version, Amplified version, New King James version, New Living Translation, Revised Standard Version, etc. So king James is not the only bible translation
Christianity EtcRe: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by nelsonoba: 5:36pm On Jan 28, 2018
josielewa:
and who told u everything in the bible is real....it was compiled by different people...the book is much more than 66 books...read about the council of trent and nicea...and the kjv u all carry about was rewritten and compiled by king james who was gay....
Where did this man come out from? So king James is now gay? What have you been reading young man?

Let's even say King James was gay, it still doesn't change anything cos he did not write or "rewrite" the bible as you claimed. He merely TRANSLATED the bible into English. The original scriptures are still there and they did not change, and that is why several people have translated the bible into other versions apart from king james, but the message has not changed.

2Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Christianity EtcRe: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by nelsonoba: 5:24pm On Jan 28, 2018
Peacefullove:
Its all right . let's see



The statement started with do not fear men who kill the body, but cannot kill the soul . linked to the second statement . Present body or resurrected one .

Which body is been talked about here ?
Oh, you make a lot of sense you know ... Their bodies will be ressurected from dust and dissapear to meet each one in hell .

Right ?



I can see how you are dribbling to answer that, The body in Matthew 10:28 is which body, present one or ressurected one ?

don't forget there is a clean and clear statement that men can kill that particular body
Before you confuse yourself any further, open to Revelations 20: 11 - 15

"11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."




Secondly, you're asking me how their bodies will be resurrected from dust to meet their spirit in hell? Was i there when God created man out of the dust of the earth? Why don't you ask God to explain the process to you?


Lastly, I wonder what you mean when you refer to the scripture and ask which body is being talked about [quote][/quote]The point is that God kills and can send the body to hell, whether it's immediately or on the last day of resurrection as stated in Revelations 20. Just make sure your spirit or body or both don't end up there.
Besides, you seem not to understand that man is a spirit! The real you is a spirit. You live in a body that gives you ability to live on this earth, and you also have a soul. Without your body, your spirit cannot live on earth, and it either has to return back to God (if you have a relationship with him through Christ), or go to hell (where lost people who have no relationship with God go).
If you understood this simple fact that man is a spirit, you will not struggle with the concept of hell, because you understand that the real man never dies! When you close your eyes in death here on earth, your eyes open in eternity.
Christianity EtcRe: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by nelsonoba: 4:41pm On Jan 28, 2018
Peacefullove:
grin grin grin

if you ask the typical churchgoer on Nairaland that what goes to hell when a man dies ?

he will say " Soul " or " Spirit "

those guys are so brainwashed that they never think once to question if that is true or not.

according to Mat 10 vs 28 , its Body and soul that goes to hell , isn't it ?

QUESTION : Do you actually believe this ? how many bodies have descend to hell? If body doesn't go. how could Soul go since both need to be present ? is something wrong with your belief ?

cc: nelsonoba and others
If you want to be smart, study thoroughly before attacking; the bible clearly made it clear that there will be a last day of resurrection and judgement when everyone who died will have their bodies resurrected and those in hell will have hell itself and their bodies cast into the lake of fire. So it is clear that after the last day, hell and people in hell will all be cast into the lake of fire with the resurrected bodies of the people who were already dead and in hell
Christianity EtcRe: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by nelsonoba: 4:35pm On Jan 28, 2018
frosbel2:
Firstly I believe in God, secondly, this scripture applies to all people and not just your Christian ilk. In fact, it was originally meant for the Jews which means if we follow your logic it also does not apply to you.
Pls I don't understand your way again o! first you were supposed to be an atheist who doesn't believe the bible, now I find you quoting from the bible you don't believe to prove a point. If you could believe what Jesus said about calling your brother a fool, then why can't you believe the same Jesus when he warns us about hell? You seem to be speaking from both sides of the mouth.

Secondly, the word of God was not meant for Jews alone. It is meant for Jews and Gentiles. The bible clearly says that in Christ, there is no Jew or Gentile, no bond (slave) or free.......for we are all seeds of Abraham. We may not be natural Jews but once we are in Christ, we become spiritual seeds of Abraham.

Lastly, if you claim you believe in God but you don't believe in Jesus, then you are NOT MY BROTHER because we don't worship the same God. The God of all creation is the Holy God that no man is righteous enough to approach without coming through the righteousness of Christ.
Christianity EtcRe: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by nelsonoba: 4:19pm On Jan 28, 2018
Liard:
You saying the only reason man was created was to worship him and fufil his purpose is absurd to me, are you God? You get him direct line?. I think you are a fanatic driven by the wrong reasons. Jesus may not have liked you that much if y'all were in the same era lol. You are right but those cant be the only reasons

Scripture and Tradition never cease to teach and celebrate this fundamental truth: "The world was made for the glory of God." St. Bonaventure explains that God created all things "not to increase his glory, but to show it forth and to communicate it",for God has no other reason for creating than his love and goodness: "Creatures came into existence when the key of love opened his hand."

The First Vatican Council explains This one, true God, of his own goodness and "almighty power", not for increasing his own beatitude, nor for attaining his perfection, but in order to manifest this perfection through the benefits which he bestows on creatures, with absolute freedom of counsel "and from the beginning of time, made out of nothing both orders of creatures, the spiritual and the corporeal.

To human beings God even gives the power of freely sharing in his providence by entrusting them with the responsibility of "subduing" the earth and having dominion over it. God thus enables men to be intelligent and free causes in order to complete the work of creation, to perfect its harmony for their own good and that of their neighbors. Though often unconscious collaborators with God's will, they can also enter deliberately into the divine plan by their actions, their prayers and their sufferings.169 They then fully become "God's fellow workers" and co-workers for his kingdom.

The God that gave us free will and created us out of love will not let us perish over the fickle reasons you have given my brother....
First off, you are majorly quoting non-scriptural references, probably because you are a Catholic it it's what you've been taught. But even your statement that says God created man for His glory is no different from what I said that we were created to worship God and fulfil his purpose. One of God's purposes for man is to fill the earth, subdue it and have Dominion. But if you are living in sin, or you don't worship God, do you think your life will bring glory to God? Do you think sin brings glory to God? If sin brings glory to God, then why will God be wasting his time writing it everywhere in scriptures for us to flee every appearances of evil and like it says in Hebrews 12:14 "Pursue peace with all men and Holiness, without which NO MAN shall see God"huh?

If without holiness, no man can see God, then please tell me how you think sinners will enter heaven? Is it not God that said it in that passage in Hebrews? So you would rather believe your personal opinions than believe what is clearly spelt out by God in Hebrews 12:14huh
Christianity EtcRe: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by nelsonoba: 3:46pm On Jan 28, 2018
omonnakoda:
You are a monkey, go and learn how to communicate in a civilised way otherwise never ever in your wretched life quote me
When I read your first response, I knew you were a case, but I didn't think your case was this bad. You behave like the typical atheist, they know they are living in self-delusion and always pretend as if the reason they say they don't believe in God is because people have not given them enough proofs, but each time you present them with any evidence, the first thing they do is shout and get angry and call names and tell you you are lying without showing evidence to counter the presented facts.

if you were a normal human being, you would have first watched the videos that the op put up before commenting thrash. Cos if you watched them especially the last one before jumping in to comment, you would have understood the man did not have a dream or vision and it was not about anything being wrong with his brain, but a clear case of death! the man died and was embalmed in the mortuary for 3 days before he was taken to the crusade. Somebody died and you're here speaking nonsense grammar all in the name of trying to find non-existent reasons to prove hell or heaven or God does not exist. I am sorry for you, because you will see the truth eventually, I only hope it won't be when you die and it's too late to repent. Keep on deceiving yourself with the delusion that the bible is bluffing when it talks about hell
Christianity EtcRe: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by nelsonoba: 2:29pm On Jan 28, 2018
frosbel2:
"... Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell " - Matthew 5:22

See you in the fire of Hell grin
Pls don't quote the bible you don't even understand or believe. Jesus said anyone who says to his "BROTHER" 'you fool' will be in danger of hell. He didn't say anyone who mentions the word generally. If you do not believe in God, then you are NOT MY BROTHER, and even without me calling you a fool with my mouth, God Himself already declared you a fool. Read Psalm 14:1 where it says "The FOOL has said in his heart that there is no God".
Christianity EtcRe: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by nelsonoba: 2:18pm On Jan 28, 2018
omonnakoda:
When people suffer schizophrenia, there hear,voices they experience phenomenon of external control of their bodies ,thoughts and feelings This pattern is reproduced across race and culture.
What does this teach us the human brain is similar across different population groups even in abnormal function there is similarity .

What do all these funny tales tell us?
Someone was in a mortuary for 3 days he was prayed for and lived again.
Assuming that is true what has it got to do with hell?

It really is indeed very sad that our people sometimes deliberately choose to be stupid.

There are alternatives but purposefully the choose idiocy.

There was a man who was certified dead in a prison recently somewhere by 3 doctors. Eventually he lived after several days check it on Google.
No one made any of these stupid attributions other than to conclude the doctors made a mistake and move on.

But some jokers must bring God,he'll and heaven into it
Your grammar is confusing your thinking faculty. Seems like you didn't see the last of the 3 videos before spewing this thrash above or you obviously don't know the differences among DREAMS, VISIONS, HALLUCINATIONS AND DEATH!

The 3rd video was somebody who died in an accident, was confirmed dead by the hospital, was sent to the mortuary where he was for 3 days. within the 3 days, he had already been embalmed with formalin (you may need to find out what formalin is and what it does to a dead body, talk less of a person that is still alive when it is injected into a human body), he was taken out of the mortuary by his wife still dead and driven to Reinhard Bonnke's crusade from the mortuary and came stood up after he had been prayed for at the crusade. Why don't you investigate like the op said and come back to us with proofs to show us that Dan Eke did not die in 2001, and that he never spent 3 days in mortuary, and he was not the person prayed for at Reinhard Bonnke's crusade in 2001. Until you come with facts after your investigation to counter the op's facts in the video, please keep your disbelief to yourself and stop talking blindly
Christianity EtcRe: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by nelsonoba: 1:21pm On Jan 28, 2018
raindrop99:
Thanks for the simplified explanation, I learnt some things, but one JW guy came to study me and proved beyond reasonable doubt from different materials that hell is grave.

He proved frm other versions of the Bible and other Christian books that any where the Bible made mention of "hell" it meant grave and not a place of punishment.

Person no even know watin to believe. Christians shld have one doctrine
I understand your genuineness brother, I have been in your shoes at a point in my life until I started studying deep into the scriptures for myself. One thing you need to know is that we are in the end times when the devil is using false religions to confuse people. so he makes it look as if there are too many choices and options that people now start getting distracted from the real God.

Jehovah's witnesses do not believe the scriptures. They have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. Pls read Matthew 5:29 - 30 and other places Jesus talked about hell. If Hell was just grave, pls how would Jesus talk about its fire that never quenches?

Read Matthew 25: 31 - 46

JWITNESSES do not even believe that Jesus is the son of God and that he died, resurrected on the 3rd day and paid for our sins with his blood. Quote this thing I just said to them, and they will start arguing. Now tell me, how else can man deal with sin if there is no blood of Jesus to wash our sins? The only reason we can come before God is because we believe in Jesus and his blood wipes away our sins. So my brother, the whole idea is for the devil to deceive people to think there is no hell so that people can live anyhow they want and end up in hell, because if you don't think Hell exists, you will not make efforts to avoid it
Christianity EtcRe: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by nelsonoba: 1:01pm On Jan 28, 2018
BabaAgba79:
If Hell is the reason I believe God, I will renounce my faith in Jehovah. I am not a J. Witness but I am a bible student and church historian I can tell you where thr message of hell came from. Look, the beauty of creation and mysteries of life and death convinced me to have faith in a supreme being. The teachings of hell is evil and has no roots in the scriptures. Anyone u see there were imported by the church to exercise control and rule human mind. The end of man is death. If Jehovah will give me resurrection, I will be greatful. Death ends all living. The duality in nature makes it beautiful. Life is a gift of God. Death is a gift of God to put an end to man's miseries. Enjoy ur life while leaving for there is no remembrance in the grave where u go. Nevertheless, never harm ur fellow human because u want to live. If u have any question pls call 07067169170 for more explanation.
Either you are an Anti-Christ who does not believe in the bible and has been sent by the devil to deceive more souls or you are just a grossly ignorant soul. If you don't believe in hell, then how come Jesus said this in

Matthew 5:29 "And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. "

It's either you or Jesus is lying to us about the existence of hell. But I would rather believe the words of Jesus than your personal opinions that are based on emotions and sentiments.
Christianity EtcRe: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by nelsonoba: 12:51pm On Jan 28, 2018
raindrop99:
Pls I need clarification, there is a portion in the Bible that says "it is appointed unto a man to die once & after death comes judgement" but now if d story is true, it seems these men will now die twice.
Maybe you need to remember that Jesus raised several people back to life including Lazarus who was dead for 4 days and in the tomb. What also happened to Lazarus and the other few people Jesus raised back to life? Did they die twice?

You may also have forgotten what Jesus said about those who believe in him. Jesus said "Greater works than these shall they do". Jesus said they will heal the sick and raise the dead. So if a Pastor or Christian has enough faith today to pray and raise a dead person back to life, then they are only fulfilling what Jesus prophesied a long time ago.

God is sovereign and his word says "I will have mercy on whom I would have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion". The natural law is that once a man dies, his judgement is set and there is no coming back, but God can decide to show mercy to somebody and bring them back to life FOR THE PURPOSE OF COMING BACK TO SHARE A MESSAGE THAT MANY PEOPLE DO NOT TAKE SERIOUS.
Christianity EtcRe: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by nelsonoba: 12:39pm On Jan 28, 2018
Ranchhoddas:
It is you who has no intelligence.
How does the claim prove that hell is real?

There are people who have died and come back and did not see any hell or heaven, what about them?

A person who was a believer in heaven or hell would see those places if he had an NDE.
It proves nothing.
That's a very FAT LIE!! If you watched those 3 videos he posted, only the last video was a man who was already a Christian before he died and came back to life at the Reinhard Bonnke's crusade in 2001. The first two videos were atheists who didn't believe in God or anything heaven or hell before they died and came back. The 2nd guy was a well known professor and atheists who was always known as thinking of people who believed in God as "idiots". This same guy died and the moment he came back to life everything changed. How come a known atheist living in America saw the same thing as a pastor in Nigeria when they both died at very different times?

The more reason why I believe these guys, especially the last video is because this was not a "vision" or "dream" or "astral projection", these guys actually died and the last guy was actually dead for 3 days, he was placed in mortuary and already had been injected with all those dangerous embalming chemicals like formalin. So even if you wanted to say the man was misdiagnosed as dead by the doctors at Umezurike hospital before being taken to the mortuary, the mere injection of all those embalming chemicals into his body would have certainly killed him. Besides, you could hear the man saying that after he came back to life, it took many days for the chemicals injected into him at the mortuary to clear from his system.

When I see a made up story, it's not difficult to tell. In this case, there are names of places and dates for people who doubt to go and ask questions to verify
Christianity EtcRe: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by nelsonoba: 12:25pm On Jan 28, 2018
Liard:
So if I'm not Christian and/or I don't believe in Christ, then I'm condemned to hell? Yet this is the same God that created everything on earth?

If you believe what you wrote then you don't know a thing about love my brother. See the way you are quick to tell us the meaning of Justice, bro reality check from your definition you deserve no better than he'll as well because you have darkness and bitterness in your heart.

My advice to you is to read the gospel of Christ again and again pray for understanding and May be love will find it's way to your heart, until then desist from talking about Christianity because you are quite ignorant and dangerous.
Let me break it down for you to clear your eyes;

1) The only reason why man was created is to worship God and fulfil God's purpose.

2) If you as a creation of God decides not to fulfil the reason why God put you here on earth, then you have by your decision automatically put yourself on a path that tries to fight God. Because you are saying to God that he wasted his time creating you and giving you a freewill.

3) Jesus was speaking and said "you are the salt of the earth, but if a salt loses its savour, then it's of no use but to be trampled upon by men". If you are not worshipping God, then you have lost your relevance in creation, and that is why a punishment called hell exists for such people.

4) You ask why would other people who "worship God" but are not christians go to hell if what the bible says is true? Simple answer is this;
a) You don't make it to heaven just because you answer the tag "Christian" or you go to church. After all, Jesus himself was not a "christian". You make it to heaven because YOU HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST AFTER HAVING ACCEPTED HIM INTO YOUR LIFE AS LORD AND SAVIOUR.

b) Why can't Muslims or other religious people who also believe in God but not Jesus Christ go to heaven? Simply because NO MAN CAN COME TO GOD EXCEPT THROUGH CHRIST. The reason is that God is too holy to behold sin, and no sinner can survive in the presence of God, and no man is righteous enough to stand before God, therefore we all need a MEDIATOR who can take us to God based on his own qualifications and Righteousness. That Mediator is Jesus! When you get born again, you are simply asking Jesus to take you to God , and why God would accept you is because Jesus has already made a sacrifice with his own blood for you to pay for your sins. When God looks at you anytime you worship him as a believer in Christ, God sees you the way he sees Jesus because you came to him on the merits of Christ. This is the reason why an ashawo of yesterday can repent today and give her life to Christ and die today and go to heaven.

c) Mohammed or Buddha cannot take you before God because they did not die for you or shed their blood as a sacrifice for your sins. If you want to come to God from any other means outside of Christ, then you have to ensure you have never committed any sin since you were born, this is why unborn babies who were aborted by their mothers can still make it to heaven. But which one of us living in this world can say they have never committed one sin? Even Mohammed and Buddha have not finished paying for their own sins talk less of helping you pay for yours! Jesus was conceived immaculately, born and lived a life without sin before sacrificing himself to pay for our sins, and that is why God put it that if the whole world could be thrown into sin and chaos by the sin of one man (Adam), then it is also fair and justice for the whole world to be saved from sin by the righteousness of one man (Jesus Christ) who committed no sin but gave his life as a sacrifice for our sins.

d) If you have any other solution for conquering sin outside of Jesus, then please show us.


5) Lastly, you need to understand that the same Jesus who loved us so much as to die for our sins because of LOVE is the same person that talked more about HELL in the gospel that he talked about Heaven. Go and do your research, find out how many times Jesus mentioned the word "Hell" in the gospel and compare with how many times he described heaven. If Jesus who is love personified can warn us about hell more than he described the beauty of heaven, then you had better stopped deceiving yourself that people can't go to hell because of God's love!

Even Jesus clearly told us that the road to heaven is narrow and there be few that go on it, but the road to hell is wide and many throng into it. So stop deceiving yourself by thinking there are billions of people in Islam and other religions who reject Christ, and simply because the number of those people is very high therefore God won't allow that number of people to all go to hell.

If you want to know God, one of the first lessons you need to understand is that God does not operate democracy where the majority is right. As far as God is concerned, "ONE WITH GOD IS MAJORITY!!"
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Tokt:

Foolish comparism. Compare Obj's expenses to current expenses factoring in inflation over the years. Start with both minimum wages.
No sir! That was no foolish comparison from the guy. Rather, you are the one that needs to open your eyes and stop making foolish judgements even when the guy has starkly thrown hard evidence before you!
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You are playing with Liar Mohammed, right? I hope you're ready to face the music when EFCC comes out to announce that $50million from Dasuki's money has been discovered in your soakaway? grin
Christianity EtcRe: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by nelsonoba: 12:05am On May 02, 2016
urahara:
Nelsonoba do u really think jesus will accept a sinner like me. I know deep down that he died for my sins . that he loves me . i know deep down that evolution is a lie masterminded by lucifer. All those thousands of evidences were only put there by the devil just to fool people.


Nelsonoba , i am a sinner , u are right , i fornicate and sin , u were right. I know u knew because i dont belive in christ and people who dont beliv in christ always fornicate and sin.

................ cry cry i need jesus
Mr Urahara, you are doing your best again to sound sarcastic here and pull a show out of this, but can I shock you? You know deep in your heart that you would like to mean everything you just said in the post above, and because of that, I will still go ahead to answer you on this;

Yes Mr Urahara, Jesus still loves a sinner like you irrespective of the magnitude of sins you've committed. The only reason Jesus came to die was so that ALL SINNERS who believe in Him and choose to repent from their sins can be saved. Jesus did not die for the righteous, rather he died for the sinners so that any sinner who believes in Him will receive the forgiveness of their sins and a free gift of righteousness. You as a human being are INCAPABLE of doing enough good works to please a Perfect and HOLY God who is too Holy to behold sin. And because he knows your limitations as a human being and He loves you, that was why He made a provision for you in the death of Jesus Christ as a sacrifice that pays for all your sins for you to be qualified to receive a free gift of righteousness that makes you qualified to come before God or make into heaven because your good acts or human righteousness cannot qualify you - "the righteousness of man is like a filthy rag before God" as it clearly states in the book of Isaiah
Christianity EtcRe: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by nelsonoba: 10:18pm On May 01, 2016
urahara:
I am not being sarcastic. Johnny.

Johnny dont die a kafiru. HELL FIRE IS REAL . IF ITS NOT REAL HOW THEN WILL IT BE IN THE KORAN. FOLLOWING ISLAM IS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN.

I PITY U, ALL THIS YOUR FREE THINKIN WILL SEND U 2 HELL. U THINK LIFE IS BREAD AND BUTTER BA. U LL KNOW WHEN U DIE. U HAVE NO XCUSE IF U GO TO HELL . WHAT ELSE DO U WANT THE SUPREME CREATOR OF THE COSMOS TO DO TO MAKE U BELIEVE. THE QURAN IS ENOUGH FOR U.

IF U LIKE DONT BELIV . U NO GO GET 72 VIRGINS

KAFIRU OSHI
Ok.......so you've finally shown your true identity!?? And you've been fooling Johny and HardMirror all the while making them feel like you were in the same camp with them.

Just look at your life and see yourself. See the hate you are full of. Aren't you tired of all the hate trapped in you? You obviously have no love to give......not even to Johny who was dancing to your whims and caprices all along thinking you were his friend. You have no love, your god has no love to give just like you, and you expect us to follow you so that we can become full of hate just like youhuh No thanks! I would rather serve a God that shows me love everyday......a God that loved me enough to sacrifice His own son to pay for my sins so that I would not have to end up in hell to pay for my sins by myself there. That's The God I serve! Until you can show me how much your god loves me and what he has done to help me escape damnation in hell apart from dishing out tons of rules & regulations that no man can entirely keep, don't ask me to join you in serving him. You that is marketing for him has not even succeeded in keeping all your rules and regulations, yet you want me to come and join you?? You have not even helped yourself abstain from sex outside marriage that your religion commands you to avoid, and yet you want to "help" me by bringing me to join you? Help yourself first by obeying all your god's rules and regulations and let me see you do it before you can come to invite me to join you!
Christianity EtcRe: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by nelsonoba: 6:52pm On May 01, 2016
urahara:
Typing in caps new atheist just to try and bring the op down is startin to make u look silly. U re just so pained that the op doesnt take your god construct 2 be real.

#the islamic hell awaits u . u go hear wye
Like seriously, I dont understand your fascination with "Islamic" hell. Hell is hell, and I don't understand why you must create an Islamic hell out of the already existing hell. By the way, you sound so apprehensive each time i talk about hell........if you're that scared of hell, then why do you still want to end up there?

And you claim to be one of the atheists backing up Mr HardMirror, but you are here wishing for me to end up in "Islamic hell"? If God does not exist as you claim, then hell too does not exist because hell is just a place for punishment of damned souls who rejected God. How could you possibly be wishing for somebody to end up in a place you claim does not exist? Aren't you the most confused human being on the planet or the worst liar there is??
Christianity EtcRe: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by nelsonoba: 10:01pm On Apr 30, 2016
LoJ:
Hello Sir,

You have repeatedly expressed your opinion and your warnings on this thread, and it has been noted. Thank you for you kind intentions. Now that you have already done that and so many times, could you do us a favor and allow the thread to continue without all these digressions?

I think the main purpose of the thread is not warning atheists or non christians. If you want to do that, open your thread and interested people will follow you there. Please, allow the guy to share his testimony. After all no be by force. It is a life story, he is entitled to share it, and we are interested in reading what he's got to say.

Thank you for your understanding. Greetings.
Oga, the last time i checked, this was a public forum and i'm not preventing the NEW ATHEIST from writing his story. I also do not expect you to obstruct my answers when i make a comment and the NEW ATHEIST or any of his group members question my comment. I do not recall trying to address you directly in any of my questions/answers with the NEW ATHEIST
Christianity EtcRe: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by nelsonoba: 6:48pm On Apr 30, 2016
Alfamann:
I already know how I will spend eternity: with Satan in Hell.

My fear will be finding myself in heaven after insulting doG and his gay son.
Sorry Mr, your statement is incorrect. You know you will spend eternity with satan in hell? Yes, that's true! but you don't know HOW. The day your eyes open to see the HOW, I won't need to preach to you to give your life to Christ and escape hell, YOU WILL BE THE ONE RUNNING TO CHRIST WITHOUT ANYONE PREACHING TO YOU.
Christianity EtcRe: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by nelsonoba: 6:33pm On Apr 30, 2016
johnydon22:
I think you'll make a good atheist soon, just let it all out now, soon your ringtone will change wink

**Grabs my slippers and runs for my life** grin grin
Johny, shebi our paths have crossed again here? In case you don't know it; I don't hate you or our NEW ATHEIST who has joined your club. Jesus died for every human being including the people that crucified him. It was his love for us all that made him die for us even when we didnt love him. I represent him so I cannot hate the people he died for out of love. I only warn them of the danger ahead because I know it is real and if it wasnt real, Jesus would never have bothered to come to earth to pay the high price he paid to give us a chance of escaping the damnation ahead. You can make fun of me together with your NEW ATHEIST man, but I have at least told you a truth you will certainly confirm while on your death bed as you exit this world someday.
Christianity EtcRe: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by nelsonoba: 6:21pm On Apr 30, 2016
Alfamann:
Colonial bullshiit. Thank doG I'm more exposed than my grand daddy.
I can see how "exposed" you are......no wonder you a human being is thanking "doG"

You will know on your deathbed what you've done to yourself all your life.
Christianity EtcRe: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by nelsonoba: 6:18pm On Apr 30, 2016
HardMirror:
Can you kindly quit stressing yourself?
Do I sound stressed to you? I'm certainly not! I don't belong to the class of some religious people who hate others and try to fight for their god. My God is not under any threat from you or anybody, He is God all by Himself, He doesn't need your approval of Him or your recognition of His sovereignty for Him to be God. What I feel is not stress, but great horror at the sight of what awaits you in eternity for the boldness to openly challenge the Almighty with the same brain and logical reasoning that He created and gave to you. One thing I know the devil for is the fact that he will use you and DUMP YOU! You are feeling cool with yourself because of the excess knowledge you think you have? Don't worry, God has seen and dealt with your type before, and your case is not new to Him. You will not be the first to deny Christ, and you will not be the last either, but like I said, by the time the devil is done using you and he feels he has no further need for your services, HE WILL DUMP YOU LIKE SHIT IS DUMPED IN A TOILET! By the time you find yourself after death in anguish and torment in hell and you see the same devil you are working for now being the one adding to your torment, you will swear and curse the day you denied Christ.

Like I said, I feel horror at what I know awaits you, not stress.
Christianity EtcRe: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by nelsonoba: 5:54pm On Apr 30, 2016
HardMirror:
CONTINUATION
Life in school was like living a fantasy!
Now, Note I was not a regular christian, I had so many people looking up to me and the burden was not easy. So I had to have friends of like mind, friends that shared the burden with me. Friends I also shared their burden just as the bible encouraged us to bear each others burden.

Akindeko Moto park was our war zone. If I tell you how we prayed you may find it hard to believe. We could pray for 12 hrours straight NONE STOP. You don't believe me? Ask those who know Baba Ogundare or Pastor Charlse of Dream Center church a spiritual son of Pastor shola Areogun. Speaking in tongues made 99% of our prayers.

I had 3 friends I always prayed with. 2 of them were from deeper life and one from Love Domain. Now this is sort of contradictory. Love Domain don't take doctrines and laws as serious as deeper life members.
The deeper life brothers were only interested in soul winning, but the love domain brother was all about working of miracles and working in the supernatural. He hated our "morning cries".

I remember the day he said we should go to akindeko Mosque (don't know if the mosque is still there) and challenge them just the way elijah challenged the prophets of baal.
His proposal was for us to get a mad man and take to the mosque and ask them to cure the mad man, if they can't then we will cure the man and they will know we serve the true God. cheesy

I recall how we kept quiet that midnight (about 3am) only 4 of use in the dark at akindeko Park. Listening for the Holy Spirit to direct us to go ahead or withdraw from this suicide mission.

We have had clashes with the moslims at this mosque because we were very stubborn and radical. We were always disturbing them with our preachings. They almost stabbed one of us at a time.

There was this guy, Alfa Christopher (real name) and Alfa Civil (real nick name) who were are arch enemies then. Alfa civil was very popular in the whole engineering school.
Can I tell you something Mr NEW ATHEIST? We are not in a competition with atheists.......nobody is begging you to do God a favour by believing in Him. If you believe in God and the death and resurrection of Christ for your sins, you are merely doing yourself a favour of saving your soul. You will certainly discover if you or me is the FOOL here by the time you die and get into eternity to face judgement. Let's leave the answer to that till we both close our eyes here on earth and open them in eternity! No need to argue with you.
PoliticsRe: Buhari’s Economic Policies “opaque, Archaic” – Oby Ezekwesili by nelsonoba: 5:22pm On Apr 30, 2016
oduastates:
I PREDICTED THIS CRISIS IN 2014 WHEN ALL THESE SO CALLED EXPERTS WERE SHOUTING TRANSFORMATION AGENDA AND "LARGEST" ECONOMY IN THE WORLD.
I wrote about exactly what was going to happens
I beg to disagree.
The Nigerian non-economy has always been non-existent.
Take a trip to a high brow hotel, political gathering or an international/domestic airports and you would think that Nigeria is a country full of industrialist and big corporations with all the big cars, 95% of American cannot afford, private jets and $1,000 cocktails being quashed in bars on the island.
Only Buhari or the Niger Delta militants can do Nigerians a favour.
Switch off the damn oil so that Nigerians can grow some brains.
Just like Mao and Stalin taught their people a bitter lesson in self reliance.
Shape up or starve to death.
We go through the motion of copying oyinbos like our so called democracy .
Stock market ,capital markets and all that crap.
In reality, there is a barely a trace of governance, functioning economy and all.
This is why the devaluation, revaluation or the appreciation of the currency makes no difference.
The biggest jokes
How else can you determine?
The relationship between rents and buying houses.
Those housing prices are same or more in many Nigerian cities than in many places in America,Canada and uk.
Yet you get more from renting in those 3 countries.
There you have it. An absolute disconnect.
The crap we import are not only of less quality than the equivalent bought overseas, they are also more expensive.
It is during a period of crisis that true leaders are known. Just like Pat Utomi, El Rufai, I hereby scratch Ekwesili from my list of potential presidents.
What is this one saying??

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