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Ubenedictus:
here again you seem to be missing something.

The christian message must be both communual and personal, it has to be both not just personal.
I even make bold to say that christianity was alway meant to be institutional. Jesus didnt just give us only teachings and left us with the holy spirit no! He left also a community of believer, with leaders who had power to bind and lose i.e make laws and govern...he left a church with all the xteristics of an institution. newbornmacho

While it is clear that there is a certain communalism in Christianity, I disagree that it is a human or an earthly or even a physical institution. The church of Christ if we understand it to be the body of his saints, the church of the firstborn written in heaven, it becomes very clear that such an organization cannot possibly be earthly. To the extent that only the lord knoweth them that are his, it is inconsistent to equally allow for an organization with a verifiable data base. If you cannot be sure who your real members are because you can't see their hearts, then you can't have any meaningful organization. Any organization with rogue membership, or that doesn't include any genuine saints alive obviously disqualifies. That cannot be achieved humanly. You might as well claim to have the book of life.

Naked I came... and naked I shall return. Job 1.21

As we progress and move forward gradually but steadily towards the great and last day of the Lord, God engages all men , but especially his own, in a physical, spiritual and mental deconstruction of sorts . Even our major growth and advance as Christians is essentially the sensitive , systematic disarticulation of the man of earth that we have become , with the operation of the holy spirit reducing and leading us in a humble descent down into our last remaining genuine denominators. One by one we will lose everything that is not really and truly and purely us. ..."Zion shall be redeemed with judgement and her converts with righteousness."We lose our deceitful excuses, our crafty alibis, our concealed conceit, our headstrong presumptuousness, Then our bodies, our strength and our beauty which will all fade as a leaf.
God is determined that by the time we appear before him ,we are stripped down to the most fundamental molecules of human reality. This preparation is necessary for the heart to heart talk that the perfect judgment of God entails. God it would appear, would have us left with no more than is necessary for an honest presentation of the account of our life. In the absence of fleshly wisdom , We will be equipped with an astonishingly comprehensive brutality with truth as we appraise our own work and render our own defence. "We shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ."
God would also have all see how that all his judgments are truth. He would permit us in plain sight the opportunity to radiate the genuineness of our repentance and faith as he peels back layer after layer of whatever we have used to cover our unclothedness and our reality; all are peeled away, beginning now, year after year as we approach the day, ensuring that we are eventually left incapable of anything but the most honest presentation of the record of our lives, in language simplified down to the very rudimentary speech form of heart communication. There will be left nothing to hide, and nowhere to hide , naked we came and naked we shall return.
But this is an appointment we may prepare for with joy, since it is your father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom! for whatever else we may be, if we are truly his, when all the layers of life are peeled back and away , we believe he will see Jesus, in us , our only stake in all this, and our only hope of glory.
We can only await and prepare for that day, but as far as this matter is concerned , it is appointed unto men once to die and after death judgement. Quite simply.
So , Quickly , How can we cooperate with this crucial work of the spirit?
-LET him circumcise us!, yea though he slay me yet will I trust him. All the days of my appointed time will I wait until my change come.

-Confess your sins one to another and pray one for another.
-If one compels you to go with him a mile go twain.
-Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away
-Though riches increase put not your hope in them....etc

The holy book is full of these types of practical wisdom profitable to direct , and we honestly do well to pay heed.

And then we have the good fortune of the intimate presence of the holy and most precious spirit of God, leading and guiding ever so tenderly. Hopefully we all are doing all we can to cultivate that relationship.

Shalom my brethren.

otemanuduno:
It's like u are ignorant still. Okay let me enlighten you... WE ARE GOD. He is manifesting himself in all possible ways. The brain is what is needed to do things, not the help of any god. We ourselves are in the same ranks with the gods. We have power to capture the bad gods like Yahweh, Allah, Moloch and bind them forever and they shall remain bound. We have all the powers with us to do so.

Now here are the golden rules once more:

1. Use your brain
2. Worship no god
3. Do good to humanity

Once you do all of these three things, you are actually fulfilling your own part of the purpose to which GOD THE UNIVERSE, the father of Yahweh, created everything.

Hahaha otemanuduno! You are found out like one of them . when Mohammed was asked for proof of his prophet hood he pointed to his book. Item the great revelator of doctufo doesn't know the name of his god child, and has to rely on the brain of man to remind him.

OK . you do have a point I agree with though, we are gods says the scriptures to thise to whom the word was sent. And yes God reproduces himself in his creation, producing sons of God who are in effect God.
But Satan also incarnates himself producing the beast, the false prophet and many other sons of Belial. These ones are false gods of this world who shiver and tremble at the mention of the name of Jesus Christ, the culmination and perfection of the incarnation of divinity, called the SON of God. In him all things consist, he is the essence of reality, and meaning , and nature , and being, the rock that followed the Israelites in the wilderness, the logos and word and the manifestation of The Almighty God, the mystery that holds all things together,in him we live and move and have our being, in him all things consist.
But he reveals himself only to the predestined few... The elect, and all others are abandoned to wallow in all manner of stupid theories of men to whirl away what little time they have on earth .

Wilgrea7:
hello newbornmacho.... this is a nice thread.... I'm a non-denominational christian... you have a good point... personally... out of respect, i don't call the Judeochristian God by the name gotten from the tetragrammation(YHWH) ... instead i use the name the jews use.... “Hashem" .... which literally means “the name"... the name of God is sacred... you said the tetragrammation can't be pronounced... at least that's what we were told... but actually it can be pronounced... but don't expect anyone to tell you that... anyone who can utter the name properly would be able to command entities... angels and demons... possibly open spiritual gateways etc... just uttering the name right... it is being used in the occult and freemansory... but for the sake of nairaland, lets just call it a story for another time

Thanks for commenting. And sharing these insights.

otemanuduno:
YHWH, I know this before but how do we pronounce it? Yahoo? No, I think Yahweh still makes sense as much as pronunciation is needed. Well, whether YHWH or Yahweh, he is just one of the children of GOD THE UNIVERSE.

You see! Now your brain is gradually returning to factory reset. Humility is entering your posts. You can even say "I think....makes sense....how do we pronounce..."
I expected you to ask your God otem or whatever to settle this scholarly debates once and for all and give humanity the lost name of his god-child.
Until you do that all your revelations are suspect.!

otemanuduno:
LOL... Pls can you give me the linguistically tenable representation of the divine Jewish God name so that I can refer to it instead of yahweh?

Guy's trying to keep the name of his god away from mockery

We've gotten this far because I believed you are a serious person, let's keep it that way. When you lack knowledge the wise thing to do is ask.
The divine name in the original Hebrew is a cluster of 4 consonants : YHWH with no intervening vowels. This renders it unpronounceable. All renderings with vowels were editions intended to approximate the possible but now unknown pronunciation. Google can help you out.
But the main point is that your darkness is the making of your creator , your destiny, and only God can help you.

Ubenedictus:
The paraphernalia never affected church unity, infact by d year 300, the church of romd had different rituals from the church in antioch and even different from d church in ephesus...etc and yet the was no denominations. The false teachers were know and exposed. Not once did the difference in rituals cause divisions, becos at d core d rituals had a basic similarity.

Each time the was division is was heresy, is it d judaiser? D arians? The eastern schism of 500's and 1054? Or it is even protestanism?

Do you even know how protestanism began and how all these new churches came abt? It is alway a man with a differing opinion that begins it and believes he is mr know it all who alone has d holy spirit.


Rituals didnt even come in.

Now, there are two related but separate things. Denominationalism and institutionalism. If you read my previous posts well. I'm contending that both are inconsistent with the nature of the true Church , which is a living spontaneous organism fluidly following the flow of the holy spirit's moment to moment leading. and both arose as a.consequence of the things I listed.
With respect to ritualization , it resulted in institutionalization of the christian message as opposed to personalization.
By this I mean that human organizations formed around the christian message which acquired the ability to be run without the holy spirit micromanaging them. The organizations acquired a life of their own, they could live and move and have their being and run on autopilot. These organisms have no need for the spirit. And are easily perpetuated even when the spirit departs. These are institutions easily run by long established codes .
Yes differences in opinion contributed to formation of denominations, these different viewpoints when they are ritualized- concretized in symbolism or dogma or liturgy, or acculturation become denominational institutions.
The shell of ritual perpetuates the original ideology at the potential expense of a personal experience.
I hope you see my point: church should be as controlled by the spirit as the church in the wilderness was by the pillars of cloud and.fire. without the continuing leadership of the spirit the true church is paralysed, but the false denominational institutional church can still move around with the legs of its liturgy and practices.

Useless temptress I'm tempted to say. Well she don't buy market.

otemanuduno:
okay. I'm happy u don't want denomination anymore. That's how it starts. As long as their wouldn't be tithe paid to d men of thieves and Yahweh d god of thieves, I like that

There is no law binding on the elect except love. Your law of tithing included. Yahweh or Jehovah or whatever is not a linguistically tenable representation of the divine name, correct yourself and then we can discuss.

Ubenedictus:
All d cases above are works of the spirits what is ur issue with d council in jerusaleM

My first issue with the Jerusalem council is it set up a precedent for church councils, where people gather and make binding regulatiins on all Christians based on the views of a few persons present at their meeting. This has been used to devastating effect since then , and the major schisms in the church i can recall started due to resolutions of church councils. Secondly the manner in which the decisions were reached took a middle ground between paul arguing for salvation by grace , and the judaizers arguing for the law of moses. They setled for the middle... Keep a few of the laws, . what possible justificatiin was there to retain some laws as binding? ?? Apart from avoiding offence to jewish brethren most scholars see none. So it was possibly a compromise arrangement, . Paul would later fall short of a key decree of the council when he suggested that food offered to idols could be eaten by believers under certain circumstances. ....Paul said " whatever is sold in the markets eat asking no questions for conscience sake..., again" ...if any that believes not invite you to a feast...eat whatever is set before you asking no questions. This type of flexibility was lacking in the original Jerusalem document . furthermore this type of micromanaging of the saints s what distinguishes law from grace.. You find that the law against strangled meat for example goes against scriptures like ...all things are lawful but not all things are expedient. There us a reason why Christ is the end of the law to them that believe....the Jerusalem council in my view is rather pro law. Leading Christians by edicts seems a bit anachronistic in an age of grace. My personal opinion is that Paul probably had the message for that situation.

Ubenedictus:
Sorry dear but rituals didnt cause denominations, it was differing opinions ie heresy that brought them.

Thanks for commenting . like I said the simple faith message acquired encumbering paraphernalia as time went on due to people attempting to help God. Your differing opinions falls there as well.

youngG10:
hausa.....the most beautiful tribe in nigeria....am so proud to be hausa/ful

Your ladies make the worst wives in this country. Sorry to say. Poorly educated, minimally hands on even at home, ridiculously uncreative with poor initiative taking ability, inclined to rudeness, masters at hypocrisy, etc. But yea you are pretty.

otemanuduno:
Mine is not about belief, it's about knowing. I know some deity, not I believe in them. So instead of using the word 'believer' for myself, I'd rather say I'm a knower. Why, because I know not believe.

May the light of God the Universe quickly come ur path to help you to the path of truth.

Believe it or not, I actually appreciate your rejoinders, I honestly think you are entitled to whatever illumination or discombobulation you find yourself in. I'm a firm believer in destiny , and I see no hope for anybody God himself has abandoned to his delusions. I have no interest in trying to save the unsave-able , God decides who to illuminate and who to inter in confusion. Whatever side you find yourself on, you have God to thank (or curse). I am eternally grateful for the light of the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and I don't have any problems enjoying his grace even if others are not that fortunate.

analice107:
U get time o. You dey respond to this person.

Well dear I accord all due respect. At least he took the time to read and comment on my thread.

otemanuduno:
now you're talking, unlike when you started with 'the kingdom of god is at hand! repent!' This is how we roll on nairaland here, not by threats.

FYI, your history is just 2000yrs and it is even a false history. The true history since over 4 billion years is here: THE DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH. https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos

I don't do threats sweetheart, I say it as it is: only the predestined elect will come to Jesus and be saved, that's the wish of their creator not mine , and if he sends them strong delusion to believe a lie I'm perfectly fine with it, just as if he grants them grace to believe. God took the time to create ants that can be crushed without warning and he can decide to create a hardhearted human unwilling or incapable of enlightenment.
Your ongoing epistle may interest those still searching for truth, not me. But when you consequential enough people might accept to study your position for the fun of it. Still not me. Meanwhile good luck with that ... Though it seems you're not really an unbeliever like you earlier said, you believe in some deity, so you may wish to edit that part.

otemanuduno:
hmmm...sounds archaic. Christians of nowadays don't threaten us with a kingdom that is at hand. The likes of wilgrea7, muafrikacurser, analice107 have evolved. They try to reason God out now by doing 'research' not forcing an archaic doctrine down our throat anymore. Nairaland is a place that will teach you humility. Just kip rolling

Hmm you do nairaland I do history. 2000 years and still going strong, evolution has repeated many cycles and has come full circle!!! History will teach you humility my dear. However if you are not of the predestined elect I'm happy to let you go where your creator felt was best for you happy unbelieving life my friend!!!

tell yourself that if it makes you happy. But this is my message to you...repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand...believe on the lord Jesus and you shall be saved.

Not that you have much of a choice though, ...." All that the father hath given me shall come to me" ...Jesus, ...and again you have not chosen me but I have chosen you "... Jesus....so, while I pray you receive Christ, I am more than happy to let you continuing in whatever blindness God may have predestined you to. Not all shall be saved, only the elect.

otemanuduno:
small small they are getting fed up. The thummim is getting fulfilled. I am glad.That's how it goes-from being fed up with lies of churches to being fed up with lies of fictional jesus. Then conversion from christianithief to an unbeliever follows.

#Proudly_unbeliever

My argument has been that the leading of the spirit has been replaced by human decision making , and that, that little leaven has resulted in organizations that are running in their own strength, with their own programs and timetables - what I call denominations. People start churches, people join churches, their children become members, and you have a human society growing by natural principles. But bible, Jesus himself , said : "that which is born of the flesh is flesh ...".!!! .And again , flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption...., and then "having begun in the spirit are ye made perfect in the flesh"? Gal 3.3
The spirit stays away when the flesh calls the shots- fact!. Can you imagine fixing a place and time and agenda , presuming God will always join you and bless your plans , when he has his own plans you refused to ask him about?? (Note: he even stopped Paul from going outside his leading to WIN SOULS several times! )
But why is this so important? Well, When presumption hardens it becomes rebellion. Organizations formed and operated in the presumptions and defiances of the flesh are the building blocks of Babylon, man's ultimate empire of flesh and defiance , the hold of every foul spirit and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird. The apostle said in her was found the blood of prophets and saints and of all who have been slain on earth. And In her later days in full maturity she will engage in a one world government, one world ecumenical religion, and finally she will galvanize a fierce rebellion against God's authority and place in the earth.
Never underestimate what damage the flesh can do. A.little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. May we continue to seek his leading and guidance .
In the extreme religious and other confusion of our day, we have a way out. He says to his own " ...your ears will ear a voice behind thee saying this is the way , walk ye in it " Is 30.21. Amen. May it be so. May I hear when your spirit speaks Lord. Perhaps he that doesn't have a sword should sell his cloak and buy one? The sword of the spirit is the word , the voice of God. Peace!
Copied with permission.

Wow! This is quite impressive. I'm a bit surprised really, pleasantly. Nice one.

Very good post. Reconciliation in the south is long overdue.

CarlosTheJackal:
kpuchie onu ebe ahu

Maka gini? Onye huru eziokwu kwuo ya.

I said it before, I'm Igbo but I support the Yoruba on this one. What's wrong is wrong. My kinsmen should please speak up not minding our past history with them. Speak up against injustice.

Milkyways:
Biafra will be free this time around without bloodshed. The appetite is not there for war on the Nigerian side except the Fulani wants to do it alone. Yoruba, knows that Biafra is unstoppable this and wont like to sacrifice their children's life to keep Nigeria one. The Middle belt wont fight only for Fulani to use the excuse and fully occupy their land.
What is needed right now is for the ND/SE to form an alliance geared at Biafran restoration FIRST and then ND republic can follow in fullness of time.

There is a unifying force both regions can tap into to make this alliance possible.

Probably. But have you considered that the northern minorities are more comfortable in Nigeria than in an arewa republic where nothing protects them from total Muslim domination? That may force them to fight to keep Nigeria as diverse as it us now. Its a long shot , but could still be an option they may consider.

Everybody getting close to KANU to avoid political backlash. Truth be told, KANU should be released.

I'm Igbo but I stand with the Yoruba on this one. I know they would still insult me but no wahala. The IG and the interior minister and the entire Hausa Fulani security apparatus are digging a very big hole for themselves here. When a critical mass of dissenters form in this country all the weapons in Kaduna and Zaria won't save this country from collapsing. Shameless gworo chewers. You go to a man's house , assault him and connive with the police to arrest him That ... This will never stand. If this stands then anything will stand. I believe the Yoruba have the infrastructure to solve this problem. In the event the oligarchs ride on roughshod, then I expect everyone including my kinsmen to join in a civil disobedience. The Yoruba may have wished us I'll in the past, we are not doing this for them but for all the downtrodden of this land.

Amarabae:
nna ndewo, i di kwa ok.

lol good body good spirit. Hope na I ga aza my PM.

newbornmacho:
Nne how far na? I di ok.

Lol good body good spirit. Nice. I hope na I ga aza my PM!

Amarabae:
of all states there, it is imo that you singled out.

Nne how far na? I di ok.

newbornmacho:
Why are these pathetic news reports shy to mention that the London attack was a Muslim? A radicalized Islamist turning against his home country in the name of Mohammed's blood cult, and thus showing where his loyalties lie? Can Islam blend with normal human life? Well you tell me. All over the world this religion is causing havoc. And yet people are shy to call the demonic cult out? The world is dying a slow Islamic death, people need to wake up.

Biased mod planning to ban me can go hug a transformer

Why are these pathetic news reports shy to mention that the London attacker was a Muslim? A radicalized Islamist turning against his home country in the name of Mohammed's blood cult, and thus showing where his loyalties lie? Can Islam blend with normal human life? Well you tell me. All over the world this religion is causing havoc. And yet people are shy to call the demonic cult out? The world is dying a slow Islamic death, people need to wake up.

My argument has been that the leading of the spirit has been replaced by human decision making , and that, that little leaven has resulted in organizations that are running in their own strength, with their own programs and timetables - what I call denominations. People start churches, people join churches, their children become members, and you have a human society growing by natural principles. But bible, Jesus himself , said : "that which is born of the flesh is flesh ...".!!! .And again , flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption...., and then "having begun in the spirit are ye made perfect in the flesh"? Gal 3.3
The spirit stays away when the flesh calls the shots- fact!. Can you imagine fixing a place and time and agenda , presuming God will always join you and bless your plans , when he has his own plans you refused to ask him about?? (Note: he even stopped Paul from going outside his leading to WIN SOULS several times! )
But why is this so important? Well, When presumption hardens it becomes rebellion. Organizations formed and operated in the presumptions and defiances of the flesh are the building blocks of Babylon, man's ultimate empire of flesh and defiance , the hold of every foul spirit and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird. The apostle said in her was found the blood of prophets and saints and of all who have been slain on earth. And In her later days in full maturity she will engage in a one world government, one world ecumenical religion, and finally she will galvanize a fierce rebellion against God's authority and place in the earth.
Never underestimate what damage the flesh can do. A.little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. May we continue to seek his leading and guidance .
In the extreme religious and other confusion of our day, we have a way out. He says to his own " ...your ears will ear a voice behind thee saying this is the way , walk ye in it " Is 30.21. Amen. May it be so. May I hear when your spirit speaks Lord. Perhaps he that doesn't have a sword should sell his cloak and buy one? The sword of the spirit is the word , the voice of God. Peace!