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chrisd:
What I meant by that was that some aspects of experimental results it distorts our notions of philosophy, that things either are or are not. It's all chaos out there. So if someone will try to show God exist or does not exist shall fail. We cannot have that type of certainty. What is important for me is some of the things christianity teaches. And mystic revelations are not part of that ok

Thx chrisd, now we're getting somewhere (although our previous ramblings were highly informative and amusing nonetheless )
That brings us back to the question of necessity. What does the God concept add to all of this?

If you go to the moral teachings of Christianity, you will indeed find a lot of things that are highly comendable, but, what then sets it apart from a secular ethic? Why would Christian morality be superior to e.g. Peter Singer's utilitarianism?

chrisd:
I was not saying that. It is not the point that things that currently have no explanation are ascribed to a supreme being, that's not science, that's like a witchdoctor. However some of our understanding of the qualtum worls are like nothing that you have ever seen. People here want certainty, well forget about that. The notion of God does not give answers but some aspects of how things are gives us a specific type of God is the notion exists. That's how we can get at truth. At this moment it points to the type of God mentioned by Catholics and Muslims. The other types are all wrong.

Can you either explain it to me or point me to the sources I need to read? This would be the most life changing thing that happened to me, if it were true.

chrisd:
You should quit your job and do real physics, the ones you cannot read in books. Books are only for students or laymen.

That's exactly what I am. I really need to get a good basis before I can even touch on the stuff real physicist are studying

chrisd:
No not God of the Gaps really and further analysis will not solve the problem.

chrisd:
Is not unreasonable if you are doing Physics.

Probably only if you take a god-of-the-gaps stance. Things that currently have no explanation are ascribed to a supreme being. If this is not the reason you use, please explain, because I haven't come across one yet. I would be very interested, though.

chrisd:
That it is an unnecessary notion I don't know.

Does it have any explanatory power apart from the god-of-the gaps argument? If so there might be a necessity. Care to elaborate?

chrisd:
That it is unnecessary to do things perhaps, but even so we must work with the restrictions and not really understanding how and why.

I don't understand your point here

chrisd:
I agree while science in no way disproves God, it does disprove a particular fundamentalist view of religions.

Logic disproves God in his properties of omniscience, omnipotence and omnibenevolence. What is left of the God concept without these properties?

chrisd:
In my opinion many people err in that they make the assumption that if the foundational texts are not inerrant then they fall apart. To base everthing on just one old musty book is not the right way to do things. Many people don't understand that.

What then is the unique value of these texts, apart from the fact that they are memetically speaking very successful?

chrisd:
Beacuse some people say the notion of God is false until proven. Others say science gave us the answer that God is bunk. Never understood that. I admit that some christians are only intertested in their convictions rather than their attitudes, which is a shame. Why should one only because he/she believes in God find any reason to be at best of their energies and skills.

No, the notion of God is not false until proven, it is just and unreasonable and unnecessary notion. It serves no rational purpose.

Science (and philosophy and/or logic) never could give answers that a generic God is bunk, it only gives evidence of the fact that a specific God is bunk. The specific God of the 3 great monotheistic religions, as described in their foundational texts is bunk, not the God concept in it's broadest terms.

Faith is a substitute for thinking.

What does we all have personal freedom about God actually mean? Even if causality as we intuitively understand it is not valid, how does that say anything about God or the fact that 'it works' (whatever that means)?

chrisd:
Have you heard of Schrodinger's cat in Quantum Mechanics

I have, but how is that relevant?

chrisd:
Some ideas that worked cannot be proved

And that leads you to what conclusion?

It all depends on what you're out here to do. If you only engage in a debate or a meaningful conversation obviously your post count will not go up as fast as someone who's into games and chat-like threads. Anyway, does that really matter?

otokx:
am already aired my view previously; its basically a difference of doctrine and culture which must be overcome by sincerity, purpose and love.

Spot on. If sincerity, purpose and love are not strong enough, doctrine and culture wil carry the day. It all depends on what the partners find more important, where their priorities lie.

exu:
Hence thanking God when something goes well instead of thanking the people who made the good deed happen.

Yeah, typical

yummy:
Go and learn how to contribute to post.

And you are going to teach me?

yummy:
If my wife want me with her, why would i refuse to be with her? It's sure am going to be around the room but if she wants me in and i didn't want to get in, I'll get in because she wants it. What if that's going to make her alright?

It has nothing to do with refusing anything. I just cannot understand that men don't want to be there when their [/b]children are being born. Of course, comforting your wife is important, but it's about more than that. It's about being there at the most important and magical moment in your children's life. The joy you feel when your child is born and give it's first bath cannot be compared to anything else.

nicetohave:
I don't see what is wrong with it if a man be in the labour room[b] just to satisfy his wife

Obviously, it's better than not being there, but it should [b]also [/b]be about your child. You can be madly in love with your wife, but this bond doesn't even come close to the one you have with your child.

yummy:
Some girls would insist on seeing their man, if that's who my wife is, then I'll be there to satisfy her.

If you're only doing it to satisy your wife, you're doing it for the wrong reason

chrisd:
In physics we have a saying, why do you need to prove it if it works?

And how exactly is that relevant? What exactly works?

[quote author=hot-angel link=topic=5100.msg173915#msg173915 date=1137437455]No matter what you say.. i'll make sure i can swim in cold water before i go on that thing![/quote]Now that would be a useless thing to do. Once you hit the cold water, you have about 5 min max. Swimming won't do you much good

It's our marriage birthday, the most important day of the year.

Must have missed it. Happy Birthday Damy
By the way, you should reset the clock of your camera

Cut it out, chrisd, this totall unnecessary. Let's keep it funny. At least Belgium is so boring that nobody knows anything bad about is

Chrisd,
Wie het schoentje past, trekke het aan
(translation by request)

I mentioned vanity before, didn't I?

chrisd:
Are you sure, because I come from the southest part of Sicily. And that's the worst part you can get.

I know of a Sardinian, an ex-collegue of mine who would definitely disagree. Just tell him he's rather short

damygurl:
r u sure? because i'm thinking d reason is u scared wifey gon strangle you!!
chrisd if u love yourself back off because i fear for you o. italian or no italian his wifey gon do seriouz damage.

The only level I'm interacting with chrisd is the intellectual one. That has been rather stimulating, I must say, but not enough to take it to another level.
Damy, even though you don't know my wife, you're spot on, she can be rather protective when it comes to protecting the flock - and I love every instance of it

chrisd:
Italians never discuss business. Sorry. Business is Business. Do you catch my drift?

No. do I want to?

Back on topic: do you consider some jobs in and around the house exclusively for men and others exclusively for women?
E.g. do you change diapers?