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elphem:
Abeg make we hear word. Even after the Beijing stuff how many of the so called women folks have had their way. It's only a mirage especially here in Nigeria.

This thread is really funny.

Just a question: when is the Nigerian version of the 80 year war going to start? Or maybe you can all start some 'troubles' as they say in Northern Ireland.

Here's a joke I posted before, very relevant:

A man is walking across a bridge, when he sees another guy about to jump off.
"Hey, man" he says, "you don't have to do that."
"Why not?" the other guy says, "I've got nothing to live for. I lost my job, I'm bankrupt, my wife left me and took the kids, my car threw a rod, and my dog just died. My life totally sucks."
"But God still loves you," the man says, "you believe in God, don't you?"
"Well, I guess so," the guy says.
"Tell me, are you a Christian?"
"Yes" the guy answers.
"Well, so am I!" the man says. "Catholic or Protestant?"
"I'm Protestant"
"Well, so am I!" "Methodist, or Baptist, or Presbyterian?"
"I'm Baptist."
Well, so am I!" "Northern or Southern Baptist?"
"Northern Baptist."
"Well so am I!" "Northern fundamentalist, liberal, or reformed?"
"Northern fundamentalist."
"Well, so am I!" "Northern fundamentalist eastern region, or Great Lakes region?"
"Northern fundamentalist, eastern region."
"Well, so am I!" "Northern fundamentalist, eastern region conference of 1898, or conference of 1912?"
"Northern fundamentalist, eastern region, conference of 1912."
"Die, heretic!" the man says, and pushes him off the bridge.

@ loveth

So, I'm an idol worshipper. Cool, can you tell me which idols I worship, because I certainly don't know.

And you're also calling Muslims idol worshippers. You can say a lot about muslims, but if there's one thing they're not, it's idol worshippers. Look at Muslim art, there is no depiction of anything that can even be understood as an idol. very different from the Christian churches

Hi all,

I never intended to stir up emotions like this. It was indeed me that indirectly brought racism into this discussion, by bringing into attention the book Guns, Germ and Steel.

Now, that does not mean that racism is totally irrelevant to the discussion, on the contrary.

tunku:
[SNIP]
Sure racism does exist but I think that is actually less of a problem in Africa than any where else in the world.

It is indeed less of a problem within Africa, but that does not mean it doesn't exist. Within Africa, racism has taken the form of tribalism. Look at the way some Nigerians hear talk about Igbo people and you'll understand what I mean. Tribalism is taking away a lot of energy that could be used in real nation building. You were left with the unnatural division of countries after colonialism and now you'll have to overcome the problem of nation building in a far shorter time than it took Europe (several hundreds of years). This is bound to have a negative effect on internal development.

Now externally, as a system of oppression, Racism is still at play. The international institutions hardly are a correct representation of the world. There are no African permanent members of the UN Security council, while Europe has 3. This is no coincidence. While overt racism from the western powers is on the decline, the effects of the racist policies of the past are still felt. Ignoring those facts and pretending that because there is no racist legal framework anymore the effects are no longer felt or are irrelevant to the discussion is faulty. Let's just look at international trade relations and the immigration policies in Europe.

tunku:
throwing racisim into the issue is just distracting us from the question as to why have we had incompetent leaders who run our country with an iron dictatorship and concentrate wealth in the hands of the few.

This is indeed very much a problem, but you shouldn't forget that these incompetent leaders were not only tolerated, but welcomed by the world powers, especially during the cold war. The way Lumumba was disposed of in Congo has done incredible damage to the development prospects of that country. The effects of this tolerated cronyism after independence is still felt today. The same so-called-leaders have the money and power today in most African countries. It is a direct legacy of racist colonialism and neo-colonialism.

goodguy:
Not everyone dies actually. Enoch and Elijah never died.

And where can I find these good people?

anton:
@nferyn
Greetings,

You should try to tune into Counter-Racism Radio to get an overview of some of her theories, in lieu of having the text. The lectures that play 24 hrs a day will do a much better job than me. Just click the yellow button to listen. If you're slick, you can use your media player to play the feeds... if not, just download the live365 player. Also, any bookstore can order it for you. If you have access to a barnes and noble, tell them to get it in stock for you.

Racism is, unfortunately, one of the most serious problems we have on this planet as humans. I think it should be everybodies' responsibility to end the system of racism and replace it with a system of justice. That's just my opinion, however, and I can only work to do so in my own daily activities...

Thx, I will definitely have a listen
We should all do our best to overcome our ethnocentric tendencies - and unfortunately, we all have them. Of course that battle is very different depending on your place in the power structure.
Race, as a social construct should be defeated. It is meaningless, divisive and scientific nonsense. The social implications of race though can still be felt throughout society, that's why it cannot possibly be ignored either. By ignoring the implications of the social construct, people are perpetuating the perverse effects of racism, even when it's not explicit. Most of the time they're not even aware of their racist attitudes.

The idea If people believe something to be true, it is true in it's consequences is still very much playing

My wife was very naive regarding racism when she just came over to Europe. I could see the racist attitudes she encountered while she was blissfully ignorant of it. She learned a lot though, and it's not something that gives you much confidence in humanity. The strange thing was that the most excessive racism she encountered was from Arab immigrants. Quite a lot of them really look down on Black Africans, while you would expect them to be more sympathetic as they are the victims of racism as well.

Anyway, enough rambling. Thanks for the link.

anton:
To those interested, I would suggest reading The Isis Papers, by Dr. Francis Cress Welsing to get a thorough understanding of not only racists (white supremacists) but her theory of "Color Confrontation", amoung others.

Futhermore, one can tune in here to listen to Counter-Racism Radio, on which Dr. Welsing is known to lecture:
http://www.live365.com/stations/mr_vor

If you have problems logging in, let me know and i can help you trouble shoot the problem.

Hi Anton,

Can you give a short overview of what the book is about. I can't just go by the reviews on amazon alone.

I was personally very much enlightened by the theory of whiteness, as described by Robert Jensen in The Heart of Whiteness. This clearly not only applies to the US, but can also be used to analyse structural racism in Europe and Japan.

Seun:
Typical quote from a Nigerian woman:
"yo as for me, if i kind of make more than my boo, i'll cut back my hours, spend it in the spa, go shopping, invent new dishes, shoo he better make more than me, let him pamper me, spoil me, ah i'm working part-time now and i hate it

besides i like when my man is in control and takes responsibility. shoo i need to feel like a woman

after i go through hell every month, carry a baby for 9 months, learn how to cook, take care of the kids, keep the house neat , and all that good stuff. and all men do is what sef?

then i'll now go to work 9-5 and to top it off now earn more than him. na craze

now if its cause of condition thats a different case but if i had a choice.shoo"

http://www.naijaryders.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=119390

And that proves what exactly?

Seun:
All right, thank you. I'm a male chauvinist pig and you're not. Thank you very much!

Way to avoid an argument. Address the issues and prove you're not.
I sense you have the force in you, young padwan

Seun, I think you'll never learn

Seun:
Equal opportunity makes sense to me, but equality does not. There is a saying that no two fingers are equal. Even among the men, there is no equality.

Gender Equality = equal opportunity. You're putting up a strawman

Seun:
Equal opportunity makes sense, but what you're really asking for is more opportunities for women. I don't know; I don't see myself as someone who has denied women opportunities.

All right, because you think [/i]you never denied any women, everything is fine and dandy. All women have equal opportunities? Even when women legally have equal opportunities, that doesn't mean that there are no mechanisms in society that put women in second place. I know for certain that that there is no such thing as equal opportunities for women in Nigeria. Just look at how inheritances are handled.
This is very comparable to how racism is perpetuated throughout western societies: [i]see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil (I can elaborate the argument if you insist, but I won't do it unless asked for)

Seun:
For example, on this site, you are allowed to join whether you're a man or woman and women are treated with a little bit more attention, and yet for every 100 men we have only 43 women.

This is completely irrelevant. Give me a breakdown of internet penetration among gender in Nigeria. Then we can begin to talk

This thread made me think again about another one I started. An eloquent and in my opinon true explanation of the inequalities in the world is available in the book Guns, Germs and Steel [/i]by [i]Jared Diamond.
My offer for the free audiobook is still open.

Please have a look at the thread here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-2173.0.html

The book brilliantly counters all kinds of crap racist arguments that float around. A must read.(or at least listen)

medube:
You may be right nferyn, but we are not Hebrews to follow the Hebrew meaning are we? We are Christians and according to the Christians, the Holy Trinity is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, regardless of what the Hebrew or any other meaning had or has

I am talking about what the majority of Christian Churches were thinking before the establishment of the Catholic Church by Emporor Justinianus. Before the Gnostics were hunted down and exterminated by the orthodox catholics with state approval

Do you actually mean that, if you make a translation error, you would rather relie on the erronous translation than on the original text?

medube:
[SNIP]
II like this one, @adesogi You are calling a woman a vessel Nevertheless the Catholic Church believes in the HOLY TRINITY, God the Father, God the Son and God the HOly Spirit. Wether we like it or not Mary the Blessed was the mother of God the Son on earth.
[SNIP]

This issue about the Holy Trinity is actually quite funny. If you go back to earlier sources, prior to the establishment of the Catholic Church, especially in the Gnostic Gospels, the trinity is more than the union of father, son and holy spirit. It is the unity of the masculine (father), feminine (spirit) and intermediary (son). The original Hebrew term for ghost was ruah, which is definitely feminine. During the council of Nicea, ruah [/i]was translated into the Greek [i]pneuma, which is gender neutral.
Islam, which had access to Original Christian text that were either burned or lost by the Catholic Church made a correct interpretation of the Trinity as a unity of God-Jesus-Mary.

Please continue your discussion on the sex of angels... oops... i meant to say whether or not Catholics are born again

oscaruk:
The answer is simple... " DO NOT be unequally yoked with an unbeliever"....... Some even believe in a lie that their spouse would convert to their religion after marriage... pure lie

Could you try to explain that ? Apparently my English is not that good.

joshjosh:
mmmmmmmmmmm salvation at last for some "multilated" sister.

there is more to life than sex dear people. my people may be naive but we are not cruel and perverts as some other cultures of the world.

i wish you all happiness

Could you also kindly ellaborate on which cultures [/i]you consider cruel and pervert? Could you also explain why cultures are cruel and perverts and not individuals? Is it possible to explain what exactly are [i]your people and why you need to separate them from other cruel and pervert cultures of the world?

Eddy Tells:
No one is defining being born again because every one knows what it means.
Also, mind you, i asked a question, i didnt make a conclusion, so if you feel you have an answer to the question, go ahead and answer it. because am just curious thats all. and to answer your own questions,

1.Christ salvation if accepted by you, makes you born again
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2. Your own confession of it and profession of it, including the christlike living of it makes you born again, walking in love among all brethen -YES

3. God wants everyone to consiously receive his Son Jesuschrist

4. Baptism by water and the holy spirit. Accepting Jesus as your Lord and Personal saviour and cofess him as lord over your live. and determine to live like him. you do it yourself, no one does it on your behalf.

5. Accept and Confess Jesus as Lord. The only way. Letting go of every other worship or believe. Every eviland any form of idolatry.


Everyone is born a christain but believing and obeying and COUSIOUSLY accepting Jesus and His authority is what makes you a believer or a born again. Being baptised by water and the holy spirit.

Now can you answer my question

So you answered your own question: of course catholics are born again. Why do you need to ask?

lioness:

They look cute with those big teeth and nice yellow complexion. Four babies... labour must have been hell. You are truly strong

lioness:
of course y'all know that was a joke

I actually like to see the offspring of a lioness and a martian. Can you post some pictures?

Seun:
We have hundreds of women [/b]on this forum. How come only two of them have found the time to respond to my 'misrepresentation' of their beliefs on this thread? There's nothing keeping them from speaking out, is there? Aren't they active on other topics? Why not this one?

Yes, and the ones that did speak out, did so quite eloquently. You're still ignoring their argument.

Seun:
damygurl: Equality? Give me a break; [b]women do not want equality; they just want to be happy/loved/fulfilled. Would you like to be the head of your future family? Ask men out and face rejection? Be drafted into the army when there are wars? Be unable to bear children or know for sure if your partner's children are yours?

Give me a break, there will be no equality!

This is as close as you can get to insulting without actually insulting.

1. Head of the family: you assume a priori that the man is the head of the family. This is mysogenic nonsense
2. Ask men out and face rejection: what this has to do with feminism, I honestly don't know
3. Be drafted into the army. Happens, see Israel. Its the mysogenic, patriarchical society that does not give them the chance
4. Be unable to bear children or know for sure if your partner's children are yours? Let you go through the pain of childbirth. I wonder if you would want to change places. I was present when my son was born, all the way through labour. I am to see the first man that went through such an ordeal. Anyway, this is so peripheral to the question that I cannot seen why you brought it up: you cannot possibly change biologic reality

I've read the account of the problems with you familly, Seun. Re-evaluate your position on feminism in the light of your own situation. You'll understand what I'm talking about

The unequal gender relations still have a lot of effect on the mentality of people. It's hard to try to fight the status quo if you're not shielded from the consequences. The analogy may be a little bit over the top (although only a little bit): it's like blaming the slaves for their plight because they did not rise up against their masters

sugar:
@ nferyn
we r still waiting

I'll post today