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| Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by therationa(m): 9:21pm On Feb 24, 2008 |
Thank Goodness, no-one really follows the advice (with the exception of some mos-lems countries) of this impostor from Nazareth, or we would have millions of amputated, maimed and eyeless individuals walking our streets. And why would they have been amputated or maimed. Well, because they might have sinned (or feared sinning), and following Jesus's recommendation, one should rather remove the organ that caused one to sin than jeopardise one chances of entering heaven. This is what Mark 9: 39 - 40 states; 39 "Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward. 42 "And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. 44 where 'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.' 45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. 46 where 'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.' 47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where " 'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.' 49 Everyone will be salted with fire. 50"Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can you make it salty again? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with each other." Why don't we see Christians clamoring for this sort of deterrent for sin? Why are our prisons not filled with amputated, eyeless, brainless individuals? Is there any sense in issuing this advise, if it was not meant literally? BTW, in these words, Jesus demonstrated just what an ignoramus he was by not recognising that no other organ but the BRAIN is the centre of thoughts, hence the source of sin. 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| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by Reptyle(m): 9:34am On Feb 25, 2008 |
Some mothers do have em,  |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by therationa(m): 10:30am On Feb 25, 2008 |
Reptyle: Do you practise Jesus's recommendation? If no, why not? |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by Gfrey(m): 11:07am On Feb 25, 2008 |
jst saw ur posts and am really amazed "HOW IGNORANT " u r on spiritual issues, d word of God is nt a tool 4 intelluctual foolisheness but a sword for changing mens hearts, no wonder nobody has thot it wise or important enuf 2 reply ur posts, if u really want 2 knw who JESUS really is and wat he stands for, do this, without any bias in ur hart, read the GOSPELS (MATTEW,MARK,LUKE AND JOHN) carefully and patiently dat , I guarntee u dat b4 u finish reading it thru , u would give up all this arguments of urs that can nt stand the test of time, "A man with an argument is not at d mercy of a man with an Experience" i stll lv u any way, bt must let u knw dat ur thinkn needs 2 b upended cmpltely,  |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by therationa(m): 11:12am On Feb 25, 2008 |
Gfrey: Thankx for your advice, but alas, not needed. I used to be a xian, until I starting thinking for myself. This stuff of "you need spirituality to understand the bible" only sells to the uncritical" Can you try and explain what the passages I quoted mean? |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by olabowale(m): 12:39pm On Feb 25, 2008 |
@Therationa; Thank Goodness, no-one really follows the advice (with the exception of some mos-lems countries) of this impostor from Nazareth, or we would have millions of amputated, maimed and eyeless individuals walking our streets. And why would they have been amputated or maimed. Well, because they might have sinned (or feared sinning), and following Jesus's recommendation, one should rather remove the organ that caused one to sin than jeopardise one chances of entering heaven. This is what Mark 9: 39 - 40 states;Even though I completely disagreed with your insulting a prophet of God, I have to agree with you wth you that all that jesus said in terms of Crime and punishment, above, is nothing short of Sharia. Moses practiced before him and Ahmad the Arabian prophet to all mankind practiced it after him. Jesus had no authority of his own to abolish any part of ordained decree of Al Rahman. I asked the Christian a very simple question about the punishment for illegal sex, no one of them attempted to explain it. I will now take this opportunity to ask it here and now: If Mosaic law is very specific about illicit sex (flogging for any unmarried person and stoning to death of married persons), taking into consideration that the elders of Israel wanted to pass judgement on the woman they brought to Jesus on accusation of adultery, whereby he saved the woman from the intent to kill her by wisely asked 'whoso ever was without sin should cast the first stone.' Could anyone therefore attempt to tell me how Mary who was unmarried escape the punishment as the Mosaic law was still in place by the attempt to punish the poor woman in question above in the time of the ministry of Jesus? How was it that the elders of the children of Israel did not even attempt to get a judgement against Mary from Zacharia? And not even an attempt was made by these leadeship to question this young unmarried woman, how she got pregnant and when she delivered the baby, who was the father? I am going to answer the question right from the Qur'an, when all the Christians would have failed to give any reasonal and possibly explanation, even if they comb through the whole Bible for as long as they can endure to do so before being tired. This lack of critical thinking about many important issues on their part is very erronous. |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by therationa(m): 5:40pm On Feb 25, 2008 |
olabowale: Are you suggesting that the notion of Sharia punishment is commendable and was derived from the teachings of Jesus? |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by huxley(m): 8:40am On May 28, 2008 |
What about what causes sin? |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by syrup(f): 8:55am On May 28, 2008 |
@huxley, huxley: This is one of the threads I saw earlier before trying to post a few comments in the other few. The reason why I passed over was the way you phrased your opening remarks: therationa: The emboldened words were yours, and I only highlighted in red to show the deliberate connection you made to those words. If you have already concluded that Jesus was an "impostor from Nazareth" and that He was an "ignoramus", would that be saying you were open to discussions with a serious and friendly attitude? Remember in one other such threads after several swaps, we both came to the conclusion that "manners, style" etc are as important as the basic considerations for "ground rules" in fruitful discussions. I was not online in the Forum and only a late-comer to the threads when you initially floated them; but it gave me the impression that the possible reason the thread did not bear fruit was because of the concerns expressed above. Again, it isn't that there are no intelligent Christians to address them (I've read quite a lot of intelligent inputs from them and have been greatly influenced by their styles and insight - you would even see that in the way I almost rank xerox their fonts!  ). All the same, I'm fully persuaded that if people are invited to discuss issues in an enabling manner, you would be surprised how many would join in and make it so fruitful on either sides of the bridge. Would you bear that in mind in future correspondence?Warmly. |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by huxley(m): 9:15am On May 28, 2008 |
syrup: Hello and good morning. I must admit I was particularly strident on this thread; for which I apologise. This was one of the first few threads I started when I joined the forum and thru my exchange with members, I have learnt a lot and definitely changed my style. I my recent post, I tend to be less strident as in my earlier post, although I would loathe to lose the cutting edge of my criticisms. I have tried really had to not attack members directly and have also tried to make members see the distinction between attacking one's views and attack an individual personally. I know many xians take any attack on their view personally; I think this is regretable because it makes it difficult to criticise those views. They also take the personal of Jesus as sacrosant, meaning any attacking of the inane doctrine of JC is taken as a personal attack. Like I said, to foster discussion, I would not write in this manner again unless I found something particularly reprehensible. I felt that this was a particularly reprehensible teaching of JC and felt that it needed to be condemned in the strongest possible terms. Cheers |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by syrup(f): 9:38am On May 28, 2008 |
Hi there, I understand your clarifications - well taken on board and we (or, speaking for myself, I) look forward to your adjustments. I enjoyed the sense of humour in the line that you would "loathe to lose the cutting edge of (your) criticisms". Anyhow, although some people already hold a mindset when they read the Bible or any document, it would not be fair to "condemn" in the strongest terms before they actually understand what is being stated. Let me give you a small example: A long-time friend recently blurted it out as we sat over coffee - she told me why she finds the Bible "hard" to digest. Surprisingly, not even the wars in the OT unnerve her! I was surprised when she said it was just one statement that Jesus made in Matthew 19:14 - "But Jesus said, Suffer little children". To save you a long story, she had had a very violent past from non-religious parents as a child (I may be wrong in drawing that connection here, but it's true - I know her). So, in her thinking, any idea of "suffering" of children is a bane that must be condemned with the "strongest possible" force! As we bantered and I poured my heart and knowledge out to her, I saw she was made up and stiff. Clearly, not only was I losing the war of ideas . . . I had lost the "argument" resoundingly, for someone that stiff! Another quiet friend (*Lisa, not her real name) who sat and smiled all along as she sipped her cappucino finally broke this stiff girl up. She asked her a simple question: "When you get married, what kind of mother would you be?" Her response? "I DON'T want ANY children!!" she snapped. Then Lisa quipped: "Supposing your mother said that and then killed you at birth because she too did not want any children, would you say she was wicked?" Stunned, our friend blurted out - "What kind of mother would that be? Of course, she'd be worse than a human being!!" Finally, she saw it - while condemning her own mother, she was no different from that same thing. If it was okay for her not to want any children, then her mother would have been right to not want this girl as a child! The miracle: she softened and wanted to listen. Then Lisa surprised us (we had thought she was a dullard) and only then explained yet again that Matthew 19:14 did not mean that Jesus asked that children be exposed to suffering and inhumanity. Rather, the Greek word means "allow" the children - do not restrain them, and the full quote of that verse was: "But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven." Okay, our friend was not converted there and then, but the last time I enquired, she was getting more relaxed and enjoying the NT. That is just one example of how people take things out of context and become so stiff with their concepts as to even re-consider a discussion that may help them. In which case, I was seeking an enabling atmospehere which could have been expressed simply as: "would you consider a friendly discourse to explain the problem of the topic?" Cheers. |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by huxley(m): 10:01am On May 28, 2008 |
syrup: Thanks for your response and I enjoyed the anecdotes. We are all humans and liable to make all sorts of mistakes in comprehension. The antidotes to these mistakes is "to live an analyzed life" . Reflection, discussions, dialogues are the solution to the many of the problems that confront us. Your friend was able to soften her position following the discussions with you, which is all very well. Also good that she eventually saw into her own mis-reading of the text "suffer little children". It is a shame that a lot of minds are made upon reading a text without necessarily subjecting those material to independent analysis. You seem to have made a logical error in your argument (correct me pls if you must). To decide to have NO children is NOT a cruel act and cannot be equated to having children and ill-treating them. To have a child and then kill her because one did not want a child is an act of the utmost cruelty and most be strongly condemned. |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by kolaoloye(m): 10:40am On May 28, 2008 |
olabowale: Do you know the meaning of the word 'GRACE'? Grace is an unmerited favour of God bestowed on us. It makes room for forgiveness because he is a merciful God.That was Jesus' mission on earth HAD IT EVER OCCURED TO YOU THAT NOT EVERY PERSON THAT GOT THEIR HANDS AMPUTATED in those days were actually guilty?Thank God for Jesus. How do you explain this word: 'IT IS FINISHED'? Have you not read in the bible before where it says ',,,,now may the grace our Lord Jesus Christ, the Love of God and the sweet fellowship of the Holy spirit rest and abide with us now and forever more'? We are under grace, that is the more reason you should re-dedicate your life to Christ. He paid the price for you.He is waiting for you. DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEART.He loves you. |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by huxley(m): 10:53am On May 28, 2008 |
kola oloye: Why don't you re-dedicate your life to Thor or Zeus or Mithras or Dionysus or All-ah? |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by Nobody: 11:31am On May 28, 2008 |
therationa:China is an atheistic, communist and 'reasonable' state that executes people for Tax Evasion. Is this the kind of REASON that huxley wants us to subscribe to?? therationa:The fallen, spiritual soul is the true source of sin. And Jesus was speaking figuratively about a deeper reality. Unfortunately, secular humanists are trapped in the physical body/universe and cannot see beyond this. What blindness. |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by kolaoloye(m): 12:03pm On May 28, 2008 |
huxley:JESUS IS THE ANSWER. HE ONLY, PAID THE PRICE FOR YOU AND I. [/b] COME LET THE TRUTH SET YOU FREE INDEED. |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by syrup(f): 12:43pm On May 28, 2008 |
@imhotep, Hi there. I was hoping to read from you one of these days on some of these threads, as I'm a late-comer to them and have enjoyed some contributions from yourself and a few others. Hope you're having a good day? |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by Nobody: 12:49pm On May 28, 2008 |
syrup:@syrup My sister, we are patching it here in Lagos with all the hustle and bustle and hold-ups. Its nice to know that you found some of our postings interesting. Please remember us in your prayers. Have a nice day. |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by syrup(f): 12:54pm On May 28, 2008 |
@huxley, huxley: Lol. Well, what can we say? If you remember, I pointed out that my efforts to reason with her were a complete waste - I had lost the war of ideas to try and help her see reason. However, it was another friend (pseudonymed "Lisa"  , whom we thought previously was not so bright, that softened the girl in question with a few thought-provoking words.huxley: True. Quite often people have made up their minds before even considering the issues before them. By extension, even some of us believers sometimes make the mistake of holding prejudiced mindsets before even listening to others who disagree with us (at least, I should speak for myself - because I've been there a few times and consequently learnt my lessons). huxley: Well, if you go back and read again, you'll find that: (a) The decision to have no children was not condemned - so many people are out there who have made up their minds that they would not like any children at all. (b) However, the query from *Lisa was not advocating that our friend's mother should have killed her - rather, it was a philosophical query to bring her out of her stiff mindset. The point (at least to me) was to help her see that her animosity expressed with a "I DON'T want ANY children" was not normal - as the only reason that she had for that idea was because she was treated badly as a child. I don't think it made any sense to be without children because one suffered as a child. Anyway, I enjoyed the warm exchnage of ideas. |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by olabowale(m): 1:53pm On May 28, 2008 |
@Huxley
No. But am saying that Jesus followed the same laws that Moses followed. Then Mu.h.umm.ad follwed the same laws. All of the Laws from the their Lord God the Creator. He God gives the rule of the laws. So the rules fit the time and place of discharges the laws by each prophet.
Sins are caused by disobedience to the rules, instructions, commandments of God. A sinner can repent by seeking sincere forgiveness, after he/she recognizes that there was a sin against his/her own soul. The heart of a person recognizes sin as something that are not naturally accepted by that inner self. But a sinful person tries to suppress such a natural inclination, and mask it with unfounded justifications. |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by olabowale(m): 2:48pm On May 28, 2008 |
@Kola Oloye:
Please my darling Syrup learn from the definition of "Grace," as Kola Oloye puts it above. The did not have to apply a technical analysis to explain what is obvious. Grace, like sign are very straight forward, easy to understand words. It like if one says the color is green, it simply means green, not red or yellow. You are right that God used Jesus as a grace for his people when he was present with them, considering the may times that they have rebelled thereby rejecting the commandments of God. The same grace if not greater was the mission of Moses on earth, who being a man tongue tied along with his brother as a support and a dead tree twig in hand, destoyed Pharaoh and the hosts of Egypt. Egypt before this was a mighty civilization, which you and me can never deny from the history books. Was there a greater grace shown to these people more than what was shown to them in the wilderness; eating and drinking without ever working for the bread on the table? read your Bible without the usually biased mind and realise that the grace you are cleverly making the exclusive property of Jesus has been the core essense of prophethood all along. When I was asked about redemptions, atonements, forgiveness, etc, the questioner simply forgot that the bottomline is that a person is rewarded by being entered into Paradise by the Grace. How can you measure grace: The christians say that the Jews get their grace (atonement, redemptions, forgiveness, etc of sins), individually by the blood of animals. This process by the view of christendom is not efficient enough. So they say that the one time blood of an innocent man (a lamb, etc they call him), is better. But the fact of the matter is that if it is ever correct, it covers people individually. This means that just being a christian will not guarantee the desired destination; paradise. But wait, the M.us.lim says that the grace offered to him/her (atonement, redemption, forgiveness, expediation of sin) does not need any sacrifice. No blood of animal, a thing that could be eaten, no tree need be cutdown and definitely no man needs to die. Now tell me among the three groups which one has spent the list of resources to asset this "Grace?" When you know it, you will see that the one has the greatest of grace, a means of ease to enter paradise is the one that does not have to sacrifice anything. That is what you find in I.sl.am. If everyone that has his hand amputated is not probably guilty, you have two or more situations going on: The judge and executioner and or witnesses have done miscarriages of justice in where the innocents were punished. At least it serves as deterrent to some would be evildoers. Remember that some will still engage in evil, regardless. The one who lost limbs, may acually be forgiven the sins that he/she was never punished for, yet still get rewarded with Paradise. And if one goes by what Jesus said in the verses of the book of Mark (9), there is a need to forgo a part of the body that is prone to doing evil anyhow. I am very interested to know what Jesus meant by verse 49 as quoted by Huxley : Salted by fire? What does it mean other than the obvious, punishment in hellfire. When it is finished, the One who has authority to say it is God, who never dies and never slumbers.
If you read in the OT verses that you have ued all systems of religious theories to analyse it to mean Jesus, via a vis Emmanuael, please fix your sight on what God said about Jesus in the Q.u.r'an. This also included the dialogue that will take place in the day of Judgement between God and Jesus son on Mary. That dialogue will tell you who truly has Authority of Grace. |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by syrup(f): 3:11pm On May 28, 2008 |
@Olabowale, olabowale: If you were concerned with simple words like "grace, mercy, forgiveness" etc, I would easily peel them off out-of-hand and offer you their simplistic meanings. If you want a simplistic meaning of the word "sign", that as well is easy. But if you ignore the Hebrew meaning of the word "SIGN" [אות - 'ôth] as used in the context of Isaiah 7:14 especially when it is connected with the fact that it was prophetic in nature, you would gain nothing by your continued [b]pre[/b]texts. If you don't know the meaning of these things, try not assuming you know and then complain later when it does not show in your posts. I think after you have constantly ignored the Hebrew word, you should let the matter rest and not continue to force the emptiness that is saying nothing in your posts. I usually do not like to be drawn into fruitless ad hominem retorts - they are a put-off. |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by olabowale(m): 4:20pm On May 28, 2008 |
@Kola Oloye:
If your trustee reluctantly returned the asset you put in his trust, which he had signed off on its return, as soon as you ask for it. If you have to sue this trustee to get the Judgement against him to do this, will you consider him a willing trustee, even as he finally returns your asset to you? Consider that to a trustee who says to you that you should keep your asset in a safe deposit box. You are the only one who has the key and when you returned, you found everything the way you left them. Who is a better trutee, between the two? What the Bible have done is to make Jesus the reluctant trustee, since they thought him to have sacrificed himself for them. But Jesus, as in the way that is normal to all prophets begged God against his enemies. God accepted his prayer and the process of saving the Body and Soul of Jesus was put in place. We see that Jesus told his disciples to buy sword (today equivance of Stealth bombers), and fought all the way to to the end. At the end he showed displeasure to the Judgement that he was facing. If he was a willing trustee who was participating fulling without any resistance, the acting would have stopped long time. But for sure there should never have been the outburst as in "my God (showing that there is a God that he is not), my God, why have thou forsakened me"? The second set of trustees included all the prophets, who simply told their communities the rule of the process of keeping their belongings in safety, without future entanglements. But truly Jesus is in this category, without the usual technopyrating (flash razzle dazzle/fireworks) that the christians put to cover this quality of his. Now, I am of those who follow the way of these prophets, in step on the track of the prophet of my time, from among them. This prophet is Mu.hamm.ad bin Abdallah (AS). @Syrup: By the way, we are using English Bible. The word sign in english means that. When we use the Hebrew Bible, you see me taking you on on it. More importantly why would you read the english translation of Arabic Qu.r'an and claim that you know anything about the Q.ur'an? I am always trying to be simple and direct in my post so that the common people like me may understand it. We are all the audience of every entry we read. |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by syrup(f): 4:37pm On May 28, 2008 |
@Olabowale, olabowale: I should say this respectfully: don't be so naive! Even when we use the English Bible, you would really be a comedian to assume from Matthew 19:14 that Jesus commanded that children should be exposed to "suffering" from the quote in that verse: "But Jesus said, Suffer little children . . ." Going by your assumptions, does "suffer" not mean just that in English? But anyone who dares to read the CONTEXT of that verse in Greek knows that Jesus was not making any such ideas of suffering children! So it is with the "sign" in Hebrew in Isaiah 7:14. Only naive fellows impose their ignorance and keep harping on the same empty talk while ignoring the contextual meaning of that word. olabowale: In the same way that you have been trying to exhibit the crass idea of reading the Bible in English and pouting a deliberate hollowness. Not that I claimed to have interpreted anything as yet from the Quran, so why does this bother you at all? olabowale: I have no problem with people being simple - I use the word "simple" too many times as a way of forcing myself to be clear and rigorously close to being accurate. This is necessary so that no one would be misled by a "simplistic" conclusion that ignores contexts. You cannot be claiming to explain what you have no clues about and still pretending you know anything. |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by 4Him1(m): 4:45pm On May 28, 2008 |
olabowale: What "laws" did mo'hammad follow? The ancient Jewish laws of the old covenant? Did mu'hammad celebrate the 50th yr jubilee? Why do you lie so effortlessly? olabowale: there is no such definition for sin in the qu'ran, the above are just your own decietful invention. |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by brosam: 6:46pm On May 28, 2008 |
GK Chesterton said it well ''the tragedy in disbelieving in God is not that a person ends up in believing in nothing but alas, it is much worse, a person may end up in believing in anything''.I said this my dear, because firstly, you lack--yes i say lack--understanding of the bible. Christ would be contradicting himself when says if your right hand offend thee cut if off, and then afterwards says ''out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. Of all the atheist, Syncretist, and the rest of those who disbelieve the Lord and his holy; you are the first--maybe i might be wrong--to interprete that passage of the scripture that way. What is your conviction of the causes of sin? If sin is caused from the brain, are you going to disect your own head to get rid of it? Is that what the bible is saying? Even Nietzsche, Feuerbach, Freud knows better. Dont just go propagating what fine minds--atheist included--cant speak on or better still, spoke of better than yourself. I m not defending the words of the Lord Jesus Christ. I cant neither can any one of us, The Lord can do all that coz he only is the Supreme Lord and Master, the Great God. Dont stand there listening to all these fake stuffs from your professors at school. Get to know Jesus better and you ll see how your lives would look like. I challenge you, In your present state of mind have you experience peace, joy in what you believe is true? You d only get harden the more as you continue threading on dangerous ground. Rationalism takes no one near the truth. Get a copy of the bible, read with an open mind, if you not satisfied with what you read, then i m afraid we ve just have to be praying for you for God to illuminate your heart. The Lord is coming very soon and now is the accepted time for you to get right with your Maker. It will be on record that someone told you but you wouldnt listen. Science, Rationalism and all these cult data drives you, compels you to believe a lie. May Christ help you to know him b4 the clock ticks 12. Que Dieu vous Beni |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by huxley(m): 6:54pm On May 28, 2008 |
bro sam: This is complete rubbish! What truths are there in the bible? Does it hold the truth on cosmology, geology, medicine, origins of life, etc. Wherever it has had the impudence to comment on these matters, it has got it catastrophically wrong. If you disagree, show evidence where the bible has been right on these matters. |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by Nobody: 6:57pm On May 28, 2008 |
@huxley If atheism and secular humanism exist in order to bring us - pregnant men ==> https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-137796.0.html - gay marriage - abortion - euthanasia - serial polygamy - drug addiction etc Then we ARE NOT INTERESTED. We have better things to do with our lives. |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by syrup(f): 8:00pm On May 28, 2008 |
Gentlemen. . . Heated exchanges from frayed nerves are the very things that I've been trying to outline as not beneficial at all to anyone on either side of the bridge. We can all discuss genially, we trust so, don't we?Now, my dear huxley, a note of interest in yours: huxley: There are truths in the Bible; and unless one is seeking to deliberately berate other people's values without first considering them, then it so happens that they often sum it quite as tersely. huxley: There are indicators mentioned on some of these issues which you may not have examined carefully. A few pointers are hinted at as to cosmology, for instance, which we understand basically as "The metaphysical study of the origin and nature of the universe". Interestingly, not many scientists are even comfortable with "metaphysical studies", and by disparaging this point, you actually may not have the wide support of those you might be casting your vote for. What about the "origin of life"? Again, the Bible contains hard facts about this as well - and yes, it all depends on how you embark on a study in search of those answers. What is interesting here to note is that more and more scientists are being persuaded that there must have being a 'Divine' cause for the origin of life - which again is emphasized by those who understand that science cannot discount a Creator in this question. However, we should understand a basic premise - the Bible was not written as a textbook on Natural science - and "naturalism" is not to be confused for "natural science" (they are not the same). May I remind us all as well: ATHEISM is NOT science. huxley: This must just have been an irrational outburst. The Bible has not got it catastrophically wrong, even though some people might want to believe it so. huxley: I have given a small hint above on cosmology. Warm regards. . . and keep it cool. |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by syrup(f): 8:04pm On May 28, 2008 |
bro sam: I'm glad that these names are being mentioned, and wouldn't it be interesting to see some of the surprising things they deplored about some extreme fallouts of atheism? At least, I could remember an interesting line that Nietzche posited: even though he remianed an atheist, he cautioned his fellows about their inconsistencies in living contrary to the logical outcome of their own convictions. In my view, he is on record as one of the most consistent atheists I have chanced on reading in a long while. |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by Nobody: 11:10pm On May 28, 2008 |
the bible says our lord isnt insensitive to our struggles as humans with sin cos he was once human.beat that? |
| Re: Does Jesus Know What Causes Sin? Thank Goodness He Doesn't. by huxley(m): 11:58am On Sep 30, 2008 |
Anyone who has not removed some body parts as a result of the fear of sin, do they get to go into heaven with all their body parts, As Jesus say? |
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