I just finished reading the books of genesis, exo, lev, deut, num & josh.
There were a lot of commands from God to the faithful then, I mean from God himself. There was also a lot of things I dare say were really gruesome and I do not want to go into details lest some people see it as another religious attack.
My questions are these
1. Please explain to me if Jesus abolished those laws and where it is that Jesus said so if he did?
2. Why do people still cling to the old testament commandments then then if it has been abolished or fulfilled?
3. Is there a difference between abolishing and fulfilling the law, is there any that allow these laws to be practiced still
4. The punishment for going against the first 6 or 7 commandments is death by various ways, why is that not practiced these days?
There are a lot more but lets start with these, the last is a personal one and it is, for all of you that have read the entire old testament do you not find it to be morally challenging, it was hard to reconcile that a loving God would order most of these things, or do we have a wrong conception of who God is according to the bible?
I want to make a frantic appeal, please only seasoned minds that can be reasoned with should reply, I don't want to judge your answers I just don't want to go around carrying the wrong impression.
Thank you.

Dear Chrisbenogor,

Chrisbenogor:

please only seasoned minds that can be reasoned with should reply

I find your concerns quite legitimate and interesting; but would I qualify to post replies?

Actually, my interest in wanting to answer a few of those questions (as I do not have all the answers) is because I struggled with them myself while searching for meaning in life and faith before I became a Christian. I would like to share with you how I came to understand the few crucial keys that helped me see reason; but like I often say, it was not theology that settled it for me - but the power of experiences that I just could not deny. If my answers would be helpful, I would like to come back some time later to share them. What do you think?

Chris, you spend way too much time stuck with the law.

@pilgrim
Definitely you can, would love to see what you think I have struggled with myself and tried to come up with all the possible explanations as to why but it just gets all the more tasking for me.
@david
I agree I have been sounding like a broken gramophone all week, but I really need to understand if I do I would shut up about them, I may not but I just need a little sense to it all.

you have too many questions asked at once. If you can simplify it or break them down into single questions at once would be better. With what you have there is no way you can understand the first question if you dont understand the law itself and what it was meant to accomplish.

I think your first question should be - what is the law? Did Christ come to fulfill or abolish it?

Maybe we should start then with the ten commandments are they still binding? if not why?

Chrisbenogor:

Maybe we should start then with the ten commandments are they still binding? if not why?

good place to start . . . let me also attempt it with a question of my own. Who were the 10 commandments given to?

Moses

Chrisbenogor:

Maybe we should start then with the ten commandments are they still binding? if not why?

How about asking first, "Which 10 Commandments? Those in Exodus 20 or Those in Exodus 34? Remember Ex34 commandments were meant to replace the Ex20 ones.

@Chrisbenogor,

Chrisbenogor:

@pilgrim
Definitely you can, would love to see what you think I have struggled with myself and tried to come up with all the possible explanations as to why but it just gets all the more tasking for me.

Thanks. I'll find the time to make some input as occasion permits me. I just hope we can be civil in these discussions (I often tend to fold myself away from irrational talk). However, my approach is not an expository treatise; but rather a summary of important highlights - basically, an understanding of the importance of deixis in Biblical study as applicable to questions of this sort.

Basically, deixis is defined as:

"aspects of a communication whose interpretation depends on
knowledge of the context in which the communication occurs".

That is why these questions are simple enough to grasp when thus studied. In which case, the first enquiry is to understand what actually is the LAW. That is a word that is quite often too loosely thrown around by many who have not taken the time to understand its contextual applications where they occur. Just one example will help us see why we ought to be careful to not give the "LAW" just about any and every meaning where it occurs in the Bible.

If you carefully check through again, you will find akin words that many people often mistake to mean the same thing as the "LAW". That these other words occur distinctly gives us the understanding that they are not the same:

~ "my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws" [Gen. 26:5]

~ "the statutes of God, and his laws" [Exo. 18:16]

~ "keep my statutes, and my judgments" [Lev, 18:5]

~ "the statutes and judgments and laws" [Lev. 26:46]

~ "all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments" [Deut. 5:31]

~ " the statutes, and the ordinances, and the law, and the commandment," [2 Kings 17:37]


What's my point? As we can see from the above, the akin words help us to understand that the term LAW has its various contextual applications and until we find the deixis in them and their purposes, we may not be able to have a good grasp of the issues involved. These are the issues I would like to elaborate upon when I find the occasion to do so.

Regards.

I think you are right understanding the context with which they were written, but its quite difficult to shake this one. Just go on and do your thing pilgrim.

Papal audience: St. Paul on Church authority and freedom (Subscribe to RSS Feed)

Vatican, Oct. 1, 2008 (CWNews.com) - In his weekly public audience on October 1, Pope Benedict XVI (bio - news) discussed how the writings of St. Paul show the Apostle's attitude regarding authority and freedom in the Church.

Speaking to about 20,000 people in St. Peter's Square, the Holy Father focused on two incidents described by St. Paul in his Letter to the Galatians: the Council of Jerusalem and the disagreement between Sts. Peter and Paul at Antioch. These incidents, the Pope said, "show the veneration and, at the same time, the freedom with which Paul treated Peter and the other Apostles."

At the Council of Jerusalem, the early Church took up the question of whether believers were bound by the requirements of Mosaic law. As St. Paul saw them, the Pope said, the results of the Council "represented the decisive recognition of the freedom that all the participants shared: freedom from the obligations arising from circumcision and from the Law."

However, the Pope continued, this Christian freedom cannot be confused with license. The freedom granted to Christians, as the Council of Jerusalem decreed, is a gift of the Holy Spirit, intended to build up the Church. Authentic Christian freedom must be "in conformity with Christ and, hence, in true service to our brothers and sister."

At Antioch, Pope Benedict continued, Sts. Peter and Paul had different perspectives on the question of dietary restrictions. For St. Peter, the Pope explained, "the separation from pagans was a way to protect and to avoid scandalizing believers from Jewish backgrounds, while for Paul it risked causing a misunderstanding of the universal salvation in Christ offered to both pagans and Jews."

Although St. Paul prevailed at Antioch, the Pontiff pointed out, later "he called on the strong not to eat unclean food so as not to alienate or scandalize the weak." So St. Paul had evidently learned from St. Peter's expression of concern. Their disagreement, and its resolution, illustrate that "only sincere dialogue, open to the truth of the Gospel, could guide the path of the Church."

The ultimate lesson, the Pope suggested, is that within the Church both authority and freedom are properly oriented toward the goal of serving the faith and encouraging fidelity to Christ. "It is vital to conform ourselves ever more closely to Christ," the Pope concluded. "In this way we truly become free and find within ourselves the real center and profound essence of the Law: love of God and of neighbor."

The above is the Pope's speech to the faithful yesterday (10/01/08) and I think it addresses some of your concerns regarding the law and other Old Testament restrictions.  The bold portion, in particular, is telling and goes to show how the leaders of the early church addressed these same issues.  I don't have time now, but will come back later and elaborate more on how we (christians) are to view the Old Testament.

At the Council of Jerusalem, the early Church took up the question of whether believers were bound by the requirements of Mosaic law. As St. Paul saw them, the Pope said, the results of the Council "represented the decisive recognition of the freedom that all the participants shared: freedom from the obligations arising from circumcision and from the Law."

@Omenuko,

Your contribution is appreciated - and as many views and perspective are welcome so we all benefit one way or another. Thanks for sharing. How body?

@Omenuko
Are you saying the laws because they are not only one are null and void?

@Chrisbenogor,

Chrisbenogor:

I think you are right understanding the context with which they were written, but its quite difficult to shake this one. Just go on and do your thing pilgrim.

That's okay - we all don't shake off issues all at once: it takes time before the light begins to dawn.

Following on from where I left off, the second thing to highlight would be the contexts in which the term "the LAW" is used in Scripture. There are basically two simple ways to understand the term: what it points to; and its application in various references.

Although I have once highlighted this before, perhaps it may be appropriate to re-quote it here:

              (a) 'The LAW' is used in various contexts as referring to:
              * the Sinaitic Law (including the 10 commandments - see Rom. 2:15)
              * the Pentateuch/Torah (Genesis to Deuteronomy - see Rom. 3:21; Luke 24:44)
              * the specific commandments God gave in the OT - (see Neh. 9:13-14)

             (b) Its application in the NT furnishes us with the following:
              * specific commandments
              * prophecies
              * exhortations
              * divine principles

To be specific, let us take an example from the questions you offered and see what applications come up thereto:

1. Please explain to me if Jesus abolished those laws and where it is that Jesus said so if he did?

Now, applying that to the above outline, the question could then be asked this way -  Did Jesus Christ abolish the LAW in terms of:

              * the Sinaitic Law (including the 10 commandments - see Rom. 2:15)
              * the Pentateuch/Torah (Genesis to Deuteronomy - see Rom. 3:21; Luke 24:44)
              * the specific commandments God gave in the OT - (see Neh. 9:13-14)

One may easily see that He did not abolish the Pentateuch/Torah (Genesis to Deuteronomy) - for He even used it in specific cases in His teaching that cover the Christian life and ministry, such as:

       ~ creation of man
          "from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female" (Mark 10:6; cf. Gen. 1:27)

       ~ marriage
          "And they twain shall be one flesh" (Mark 10:7 & 8; cf. Gen. 2:24)

       ~ love
          "love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, . . all thy soul, . . all thy mind" (Matt. 23:37; cf. Deut. 6:5)


Certainly, these highlights would as well cover the other things we noted:

              *  specific commandments
              *  prophecies
              * exhortations
              * divine principles

On this, we can be clear that Jesus did not abolish the "LAW". The problem is that many people are not able to distinguish the context of what "LAW" they are speaking about before assuming that "the LAW" has been abolished wholesale. When you ask such people about specific matters in the LAW, they become somewhat confused and tongue-in-cheek.

I'll try and take them step by step to see what exactly is meant by the LAW before we can say with some measure that the LAW in principle finds its substance in the NT.

Cheers.

pilgrim.1:

On this, we can be clear that Jesus did not abolish the "LAW". The problem is that many people are not able to distinguish the context of what "LAW" they are speaking about before assuming that "the LAW" has been abolished wholesale.

Now, let's consider yet again that same question you raised:

1. Please explain to me if Jesus abolished those laws
and where it is that Jesus said so if he did?

First, I note the word "laws" as used in yours is in plural - so we are looking at very specific cases yet. As far as "laws" are concerned, the logical question is "WHICH"? Of course, if one was looking at the decalogue, my persuasion is that He did not "abolish" them. The word abolish is not quite appropriate here (and I had to struggle with that because in my former religion we had the idea of "abrogation" of divine laws and verses). However, when I came to see that "abolish" is quite a strange word which many people had employed unwittingly, it was easy enough to see the balance of contexts (infact, it was Matt. 5:17 that helped me see the seriousness of this scenario where Jesus said: "I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them", ESV).

Right, Jesus Himself said He had not come to "abolish" (nor "abrogate" the LAW (Matt. 5:17). So, while we find that the OT sacrifices of bulls and goats do not migrate into the new covenant, we can understand that they were reserved as typologies and prophecies which would find their fulfillment in Christ.

An example of this "fulfillment" is the concept of the sin offering (Lev. 4:3). That which was to be offered was to be without blemish. Yet, for all that, we find that the blood of bulls and goats did not take away sin (Hebrews 10:4 & 11). This is attested to even by the OT prophets, for example in Isaiah 1:11 where God say - "I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats." Even though the priests offered these sacrifices daily, they knew that such rites did not take away sin. How do we know this? By two things, basically:

(a) the sin offering was offered "day by day continually" (Exo. 29:36-38)

(b) there was a constant reminder of sin:
"Aaron shall bear the judgment of the children of Israel upon his heart
before the LORD continually" (Exo. 28:30; cf. Heb. 10:3)


In all, what then does this mean? It means that in this example, Jesus fulfilled what was prefigured in the OT: for He was presented as the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29). If those old testament typologies actually fulfilled the prophecies in themselves, Jesus would not have been presented as the Lamb who would take away the sin of the world. In this case, He fulfilled that particular reference to the sin offering - and that is why the typology does not migrate as a practice in the NT.

Phew. I'm running late for my early schedule tomorrow - will be back later to share more. Cheers.

Nonsense First class! If it is the same god of the old testament that give the isrealites those devilish and gruelsome laws that are too callous to even believe such a god decreed, then all this omniscent and omnipotent or omni-rubbish titles ascribed to him doesnt exist or are totlally irrelevant because if he knoew that jesus will come and abolish all these devilish laws in the first instance, why then did he go about giving people such uncharacteristically wicked, impious and iniquitious laws that are totally repugnant to a human being's senses and later decided that his laws were totaly depraved and sent his son to come and change them.

Isnt it the same god of the old testament that is the same god of the new testament or are they 2  in one or 1 in 2 or whatever? No intelligent merciful god can lay claim to such terrible laws and give them to the people he so loved. If an intelligent and all perfect god can continue to flip flop with laws whenever he choses to, then such a god is nothing more than a cosmic slowpoke!

I still stand my grounds that the bible was written by illiterate mongolian farmers who didnt know their left from right and all the errors contained in it is just sheer madness in mordern day christians to believe such irrational words written by these fisher men and farmers then.

Even if they were "illiterate", how has your vituperations exhibited any better quality?

pilgrim.1:

Even if they were "illiterate", how has your vituperations exhibited any better quality?

Na wah o! Wahala de sleep jeje, yanga go wake am up. Give me 10 minutes. I will come back to handle you well well and treat your Bleep up. Shebi na you the marine for here to misyan abi.

Chill for me i de come for you!

Hmmm…This is going to be very intersting and i will enjoy every moment of it!

Profile: Pilgrim 1:

Target: To decapitate the loud mouth

Mission: To bring her to the Zander Zone and Rip her to shreds

I see you’re a protected specie here. But I no send you and any other person wey send you. I don’t know whether it was you I replied my post to but since you have taken it upon your self to reply in a way ward manner and insult me when I didn’t mention your name or say anything to you then I can only welcome you to my Xander Zone and walahai, I go finish you pieces.

See this kolo mentality sha! After reading some of your posts, I see you are a super academic Christian. I too know. Only you sabi the difference between sinaitic law and deixis. Things wey no de bible na im you de use confuse people and they will see you like a superstar Christian that understand the bible better than those Mongolian farmers.

Na you write bible? Every religious thread your hand de there to de explain rubbish. Who do you? Why bodi de scratch you to de roam for only this religious thread? Why you no de politics thread or banking and finance thread but like a roaring lion looking to cause mischief and wait for the whole world to elevate you to the post of Madame Lecturer!

See who is talking sef. Are you even a real Christian for that matter. Shebi your story full yakata for nairaland. Former Ex-Muslim…Haaaaaaaa! Whats that suppose to mean? Like a former Ex-FBI agent or Ex-CIA spy or what? Wetin pursue you for body wey de scratch you to de jump from religion to religion like Allen Avenue Ashawo? Your yansh no fit siddon for one place ni? Today Muslim, tomorrow Obatanla, next week guru maraji and the funniest thing be say as you de change Religion like pampers, you de go study all the books and articles of the new religion and end up making your self sound like a guru for people to trip for you. Yyou no get better work do? Abi dem don retrench you from work wey be say 24/7 na nairaland religion you de? Even the owner of nairaland no get the kin time you get to de siddon for religious threads. Abeg your next welfare check should be used to buy a t.v set or rugby ball or something.

That’s the way a jobless contractor behaves. Jack of all trade master of none. Even the reason you used to change from Muslim to Christian is so foolishly comical.

Because of Boyfriend you change religion? Haba na wah for you! Na so you like man reach? Please tell us how many boys you have, (ahem!) come in contact with and after they (ahem) you well well to the point of ecstasy did you change religion and see miraculous gods and scriptures too?

Your case is even more pathetic than most atheists. At least those ones did not need girlfriends to screw their brains out before they converted. With such a shameless and repugnant story, you must be an embarrassment to the so called Christian nation.

Although I have heard funnier muslim to Christian stories, yours is definitely the winner! I can imagine telling your story to the Imam next door that one of his former faithfuls changed religion because of a boyfriend that was sick and after the sick boy became well he somersaulted and because of that somersault, the muslim saw jesus and a miracle and instantly the muslim became a Christian, lol

I am sure the Imam will begin to dream of the fatwa that should be placed on that Muslim turncoat for Adultery leading to Christianity and get even angrier for such an impious and immoral story. Instead of you to have told the whole world that you left Islam because you couldn’t resist your urges for boys and you know such attitude is totally condemnable in Islam but Christianity gives you the freedom to jump around.

Look MADAM I TOO KNOW (ITK), as I said before, I no send you kobo. Your shambolic flip flopping boyfriend miracle seeing conversion story is stupid to say the least and you cant come out here to claim to be an academic in Christian matters when nobody even knows whether the next time you feel Hot and engage in carnal knowledge with a Buddhist would make you come back here and write another rubbish conversion story on how you saw the miracle of Buddha after the monk became sick and said you should shout Buddha! And instantly you become a Buddhist.

Abeg Waka jo! You this hypocritical boyfriend loving Christian miracle pastor bimbo odukoya wannabe! You will never be pastor Bimbo and you will continue to wander to that pilgrimage that would never end.

In your life, and I mean you’re your remaining years on earth, if I post anything that doesn’t concern you or is not directed to you and you even by mistake grunt or sneeze to reply any of them, I will be more merciless than this. Even if I am banned and I return again someday and you ignorantly reply a post that doesn’t concern you, Walahai…!

Your nothing more than a drunken religious LovePeddler probably being referred to in the book of revelations. If you like go call all your nairaland agberos to come to your aid and protect you, I no send them and you. I deal with sincere people no matter how they might hate my guts but I don’t deal with religious prostitutes like you.

Better go and find a Muslim boy to hammer you well well to change you back because since you think and zone your faith with your lower region of your body than your upper region, you might find your truthful religion there!

Kylie ko, Kaseem ni!

I just finished reading the books of genesis, exo, lev, deut, num & josh. . .

Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Numbers (Real numbers here; quite numbing, this one)
Joshua

Er, have you got to Deuteronomy?

Interesting books; you must be on a roll. Did you notice in Exodus how God, Yahweh had to re-introduce himself to Moses? And, what did you make of that weird story on quack genetics of Jacob? And, did you notice how Moses easily murdered a man in cold-blood, and then took flight? And how about Yahweh's legendary anger? Lots of stuff to share, and lots to ponder. Some gems:

1) Witches? Death. Exodus 22:18
2) Your parents had sexual intercourse and had you before they were married? You're a bastard, eh, no worship for ya!
3) Are you physically disabled (differently abled is the PC term. . .), you're a freak, you're not qualified for priesthood: Read this gem from Leviticus 23:16:

The Lord spoke to Moses: Tell Aaron, ‘No man from your descendants throughout their generations who has a physical flaw is to approach to present the food of his God. Certainly no man who has a physical flaw is to approach: a blind man, or one who is lame, or one with a slit nose, or a limb too long, or a man who has had a broken leg or arm, or a hunchback, or a dwarf, or one with a spot in his eye, or a festering eruption, or a feverish rash, or a crushed testicle. . .

Loving laws; very loving laws.
.

@xenophobic,

xenophobic:

Abeg Waka jo! You this hypocritical boyfriend loving Christian miracle pastor bimbo odukoya wannabe! You will never be pastor Bimbo and you will continue to wander to that pilgrimage that would never end.

Many thanks, xenophobic. I actually thought you'd do more than what I've already heard people say to me off the forum. You were actually being mild, albeit it was a nice try. For me to trade contumelies with anyone would be below my station; and if doing so gives you great prospects, I can well bear with you. Enjoy.

pilgrim.1:

@xenophobic,
For me to trade contumelies with anyone would be below my station;

Na wa o! You've got to be the first person in absolute ages that is challenging the limits of my vocabulary.

xenophobic:

Hmmm…This is going to be very intersting and i will enjoy every moment of it!

Profile: Pilgrim 1:

Target: To decapitate the loud mouth

Mission: To bring her to the Zander Zone and Rip her to shreds

I see you’re a protected specie here. But I no send you and any other person wey send you. I don’t know whether it was you I replied my post to but since you have taken it upon your self to reply in a way ward manner and insult me when I didn’t mention your name or say anything to you then I can only welcome you to my Xander Zone and walahai, I go finish you pieces.

See this kolo mentality sha! After reading some of your posts, I see you are a super academic Christian. I too know. Only you sabi the difference between sinaitic law and deixis. Things wey no de bible na I'm you de use confuse people and they will see you like a superstar Christian that understand the bible better than those Mongolian farmers.

Na you write bible? Every religious thread your hand de there to de explain rubbish. Who do you? Why bodi de scratch you to de roam for only this religious thread? Why you no de politics thread or banking and finance thread but like a roaring lion looking to cause mischief and wait for the whole world to elevate you to the post of Madame Lecturer!

See who is talking sef. Are you even a real Christian for that matter. Shebi your story full yakata for nairaland. Former Ex-Muslim…Haaaaaaaa! Whats that suppose to mean? Like a former Ex-FBI agent or Ex-CIA spy or what? Wetin pursue you for body wey de scratch you to de jump from religion to religion like Allen Avenue Ashawo? Your yansh no fit siddon for one place ni? Today Muslim, tomorrow Obatanla, next week guru maraji and the funniest thing be say as you de change Religion like pampers, you de go study all the books and articles of the new religion and end up making your self sound like a guru for people to trip for you. Yyou no get better work do? Abi them don retrench you from work wey be say 24/7 na nairaland religion you de? Even the owner of nairaland no get the kin time you get to de siddon for religious threads. Abeg your next welfare check should be used to buy a t.v set or rugby ball or something.

That’s the way a jobless contractor behaves. Jack of all trade master of none. Even the reason you used to change from Muslim to Christian is so foolishly comical.

Because of Boyfriend you change religion? Haba na wah for you! Na so you like man reach? Please tell us how many boys you have, (ahem!) come in contact with and after they (ahem) you well well to the point of ecstasy did you change religion and see miraculous gods and scriptures too?

Your case is even more pathetic than most atheists. At least those ones did not need girlfriends to screw their brains out before they converted. With such a shameless and repugnant story, you must be an embarrassment to the so called Christian nation.

Although I have heard funnier muslim to Christian stories, yours is definitely the winner! I can imagine telling your story to the Imam next door that one of his former faithfuls changed religion because of a boyfriend that was sick and after the sick boy became well he somersaulted and because of that somersault, the muslim saw jesus and a miracle and instantly the muslim became a Christian, lol

I am sure the Imam will begin to dream of the fatwa that should be placed on that Muslim turncoat for Adultery leading to Christianity and get even angrier for such an impious and immoral story. Instead of you to have told the whole world that you left Islam because you couldn’t resist your urges for boys and you know such attitude is totally condemnable in Islam but Christianity gives you the freedom to jump around.

Look MADAM I TOO KNOW (ITK), as I said before, I no send you kobo. Your shambolic flip flopping boyfriend miracle seeing conversion story is stupid to say the least and you can't come out here to claim to be an academic in Christian matters when nobody even knows whether the next time you feel Hot and engage in carnal knowledge with a Buddhist would make you come back here and write another rubbish conversion story on how you saw the miracle of Buddha after the monk became sick and said you should shout Buddha! And instantly you become a Buddhist.

Abeg Waka jo! You this hypocritical boyfriend loving Christian miracle pastor bimbo odukoya wannabe! You will never be pastor Bimbo and you will continue to wander to that pilgrimage that would never end.

In your life, and I mean you’re your remaining years on earth, if I post anything that doesn’t concern you or is not directed to you and you even by mistake grunt or sneeze to reply any of them, I will be more merciless than this. Even if I am banned and I return again someday and you ignorantly reply a post that doesn’t concern you, Walahai…!

Your nothing more than a drunken religious LovePeddler probably being referred to in the book of revelations. If you like go call all your nairaland agberos to come to your aid and protect you, I no send them and you. I deal with sincere people no matter how they might hate my guts but I don’t deal with religious prostitutes like you.

Better go and find a Muslim boy to hammer you well well to change you back because since you think and zone your faith with your lower region of your body than your upper region, you might find your truthful religion there!

Kylie ko, Kaseem ni!

but you've got to admit, this is some funny post. I haven't laughed like this on the internet in ages. Reading it makes me feel like I'm in a market in nijia and two traders are yabin each other.

Nimshi:



Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Numbers (Real numbers here; quite numbing, this one)
Joshua

Er, have you got to Deuteronomy?

Interesting books; you must be on a roll. Did you notice in Exodus how God, Yahweh had to re-introduce himself to Moses? And, what did you make of that weird story on quack genetics of Jacob? And, did you notice how Moses easily murdered a man in cold-blood, and then took flight? And how about Yahweh's legendary anger? Lots of stuff to share, and lots to ponder. Some gems:

1) Witches? Death. Exodus 22:18
2) Your parents had sexual intercourse and had you before they were married? You're a bastard, eh, no worship for ya!
3) Are you physically disabled (differently abled is the PC term. . .), you're a freak, you're not qualified for priesthood: Read this gem from Leviticus 23:16:

Loving laws; very loving laws.
.

rubish

Pastor AIO:

Na wa o! You've got to be the first person in absolute ages that is challenging the limits of my vocabulary.

This is what i got from my search:contumelies was not found in the English Dictionary
Microsoft® Encarta® 2008. © 1993-2007 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

obatoro:

This is what i got from my search:contumelies was not found in the English Dictionary
Microsoft® Encarta® 2008. © 1993-2007 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Actually, Obatoro, there is contumelies in the Webster's Dictionary. And it means:
1. insulting display of contempt in words or actions; contemptuous or humiliating treatment
2. a humiliating insult.

@xenophobic
Carry your play outside oh no personal attacks here no be only your head dey shake if you be marine some guys here na asawana boys oh and we no get joy so carry your play commot here.
Small pikin wey wan get bald head na headache dey kill am oh!
@nimshi
How body ?I read numbers too and it did a number on me, but I don't want wrong impressions so I am asking the christian guys to clarify. Interestingly I am beginning to develop a sense that the OT is the last place you run to when you want moral examples so I might be helping you understand your sunday school stories.
@pilgrim
How body? Abeg no mind that omomor just ride on abeg.
@pastor aio
No be only you na four dictionary I take dey read her replies oh.
Cheers.

mr and mrs moderator for the attack on pilgrim 
abeg ban that zenophobia quick quick before i unleash epe and ase on him o,
this forum is for discussion and not for dissing

IDINRETE:

mr and mrs moderator for the attack on pilgrim

@IDINRETE, Lol. . . please don't get upset on that small event. Attack? That's nothing. How body?


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Chrisbenogor:

@pilgrim
How body? Abeg no mind that omomor just ride on abeg.

@Chrisbenogor, will do so sometime later as occasion serves me. Warm regards.

@pilgrim
Ok

Nimshi:



Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Numbers (Real numbers here; quite numbing, this one)
Joshua

Er, have you got to Deuteronomy?

Interesting books; you must be on a roll. Did you notice in Exodus how God, Yahweh had to re-introduce himself to Moses? And, what did you make of that weird story on quack genetics of Jacob? And, did you notice how Moses easily murdered a man in cold-blood, and then took flight? And how about Yahweh's legendary anger? Lots of stuff to share, and lots to ponder. Some gems:

1) Witches? Death. Exodus 22:18
2) Your parents had sexual intercourse and had you before they were married? You're a bastard, eh, no worship for ya!
3) Are you physically disabled (differently abled is the PC term. . .), you're a freak, you're not qualified for priesthood: Read this gem from Leviticus 23:16:

Loving laws; very loving laws.
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Er did you also notice that allah claims to have sent Moses as his "prophet"? Did you notice that the only sources on the lives and messages of these "prophets" of allah are nowhere to be found in his quran?
Did it occur to you that your mullahs are struggling to force Mohammad into the book of deuteronomy? You know that same deuteronomy you just rubbished?

Aha what of allah's sharia laws? Such loving laws . . .

What of his IRREVOCABLE DECREE to put you in hell? Such a loving god . . .