Mayb this will make u have a re-think

JOHN LENNON
Some years before during his interview with an American Magazine, he said:
"Christianity will end, it will disappear. I do not have to argue about that. I am certain. Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple, Today we are more famous than Him" (1966)".
Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times.

TANCREDO NEVES
During the Presidential campaign, he said if he got 500 votes from his party, not even God would remove him from Presidency. Sure he got the votes, but he got sick a day before being made President, then he died.

CAZUZA
During a show in Canecão ( Rio de Janeiro ), whilst smoking his cigarette, he puffed out some smoke into the air and said: God, that's for you.
I can't even explain how he died.

THE MAN WHO BUILT TITANIC
After the construction of Titanic, a reporter asked him how safe the Titanic would be. With an ironic tone he said: "Not even God can sink it"
The result: I think you all know what happened to the Titanic.

MARILYN MONROE
She was visited by Billy Graham during a presentation of a show. He is a preacher and Evangelist and the Spirit of God had sent him to preach to her.
After hearing what the Preacher had to say, she said:
"I don't need your Jesus"
A week later, she was found dead in her apartment.

BON SCOTT
The ex-vocalist of the AC/DC. On one of his 1979 songs he sang:
"Don´t stop me, I´m going down all the way, wow the highway to
hell".
On the 19th of February 1980, Bon Scott was found dead, he had been choked by his vomit.

CAMPINAS/SP IN 2005
In Campinas, a group of friends, drunk, went to pick up a friend. The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried about the drunkenness of her friends and she said to the daughter - holding her hand, who was already seated in the car: "MY DAUGHTER, GO WITH GOD AND MAY HE PROTECT YOU",  
She responded: ONLY IF HE (GOD) TRAVELS IN THE BOOT, COZ INSIDE HERE IT'S ALREADY FULL"
Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident, everyone had died, the car could not be recognized what type of car it had been, but surprisingly, the boot was intact.
The police said there was no way the boot could have remained intact. To their surprise, inside the boot was a crate of eggs, none was broken.
Many more important people have forgotten that there is no other name that was given so much authority as the name of Jesus. Many have died, but only Jesus died and rose again, and he is still alive. UP JESUS!!!

goodguy:

Someone created this topic, made two other posts and since then, we've not heard from her. Isn't that funny?

Not really, it happens in 70% of all the threads here.

goodguy:

Man, you're confusing me. You call yourself a Christian, yet to look for ways to disprove God's existence?
Anyway, Noah's ark has been found by archaeologists.

I'm not looking for ways to disprove God's existence, those already exist. Christians are taught that they should not just blindly believe, but they should educate themselves about God. Christians are also taught to not be bound by one persons interpretation of the Bible, but to discover and learn what it really means. So, I'm not bound by the teachings of my church, denomination, convention, etc. Instead, I seek the truth.

that waznt for u nferyn,
oh btw cut all da evolution thing crap and tell me abt what u think of the existence of God not all em copy and paste tingz then you'll show me proof and pls make it short, then ill tell u my own way.

kaylala:

Mayb this will make u have a re-think

JOHN LENNON
Some years before during his interview with an American Magazine, he said:
"Christianity will end, it will disappear. I do not have to argue about that. I am certain. Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple, Today we are more famous than Him" (1966)".
Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times.

TANCREDO NEVES
During the Presidential campaign, he said if he got 500 votes from his party, not even God would remove him from Presidency. Sure he got the votes, but he got sick a day before being made President, then he died.

CAZUZA
During a show in Canecão ( Rio de Janeiro ), whilst smoking his cigarette, he puffed out some smoke into the air and said: God, that's for you.
I can't even explain how he died.

THE MAN WHO BUILT TITANIC
After the construction of Titanic, a reporter asked him how safe the Titanic would be. With an ironic tone he said: "Not even God can sink it"
The result: I think you all know what happened to the Titanic.

MARILYN MONROE
She was visited by Billy Graham during a presentation of a show. He is a preacher and Evangelist and the Spirit of God had sent him to preach to her.
After hearing what the Preacher had to say, she said:
"I don't need your Jesus"
A week later, she was found dead in her apartment.

BON SCOTT
The ex-vocalist of the AC/DC. On one of his 1979 songs he sang:
"Don´t stop me, I´m going down all the way, wow the highway to
hell".
On the 19th of February 1980, Bon Scott was found dead, he had been choked by his vomit.

CAMPINAS/SP IN 2005
In Campinas, a group of friends, drunk, went to pick up a friend. The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried about the drunkenness of her friends and she said to the daughter - holding her hand, who was already seated in the car: "MY DAUGHTER, GO WITH GOD AND MAY HE PROTECT YOU",
She responded: ONLY IF HE (GOD) TRAVELS IN THE BOOT, COZ INSIDE HERE IT'S ALREADY FULL"
Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident, everyone had died, the car could not be recognized what type of car it had been, but surprisingly, the boot was intact.
The police said there was no way the boot could have remained intact. To their surprise, inside the boot was a crate of eggs, none was broken.
Many more important people have forgotten that there is no other name that was given so much authority as the name of Jesus. Many have died, but only Jesus died and rose again, and he is still alive. UP JESUS!!!

Andrew Maspiche

- he said, if God is real, let him strike me down with lightning. He died 60 years later of natural causes.

panthress:

that waznt for u nferyn,
oh between cut all da evolution thing crap and tell me about what u think of the existence of God not all em copy and paste tingz then you'll show me proof and please make it short, then ill tell u my own way.

Read my contributions to this thread and you'll have your answers. I'm not going to repeat myself for the fifteenth time to someone who is too lazy to read
As for your contribution, I'm affraid that you'll have to find another magic potion from a less shallow well if you want to convince anyone who uses more than a dozen of his or her brain cells.

By the way that evolution thing crap just happens to be the foundation of biology, but I guess you don't care about that.

I'm enjoying this thread but this is just FALSE

kaylala:


JOHN LENNON
Some years before during his interview with an American Magazine, he said:
"Christianity will end, it will disappear. I do not have to argue about that. I am certain. Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple, Today we are more famous than Him" (1966)".
Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times.

Lennon was killed in December 1980. He made that statement in 1966. He was killed by a deranged fan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_lennon

The rest are urban myths and i won't bother providing a response to them, unless you can provide the evidence to back it up

ijebuman:

I'm enjoying this thread but this is just FALSE
Lennon was killed in December 1980. He made that statement in 1966. he was killed by a deranged fan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_lennon

The rest is urban myth and i won't bother providing a response to them, unless you can provide the evidence to back it up

Woot? It is wrong? No way. I can prove it to you:

Allonym - ate cookies that were forbidden. The bible says thou shalt honor thy mother and father. Alloynm dies afterwards. (of course, many years afterwards, but ONLY after I defied the Lord)

Its like that time I beat up this kid at school and then later on I won the science fair. . . .(at a different school in a different year. . but that doesn't matter does it?)

Atleast he was killed

kaylala:

Atleast he was killed

So was Jesus Christ.

John Lennon, a wonderful human being.

Imagine - John Lennon

magine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
No religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Imagine no possesions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one

kaylala:

Atleast he was killed

God, save us from your followers - anon

Yeah, John Lennon, i say you are truly truly a dreamer...................i pray those you have sent to sleep to dream likewise as yours will wake up to the truth.

Hey all,

I find subjects like this really interesting. I'm a catholic and happy that way, although frequent trials makes me question the role of God in my life and why he has to make good people suffer if he exists. I haven't been to church in a while and don't feel good about it, but I've been so depressed. Some christians past and present commited atrocious acts that I am not proud of as a sister in christ. And I've heard theories about the absolute humanity, or non-existence of christ.

I place trust in the big bang and the evolution, and they, believe it or not, are proofs for God's existence, in my opinion.

Why, you may ask. How did the big bang begin then? What started this powerful thing 14 Billion years ago? Something the size of an atom expanded into what we know as the universe. Our "observable" (not the whole thing) universe consists 100 BILLION galaxies. Our Galaxy is the milky way, which has 400 BILLION stars, including our sun. Nine planets (Actually, it's ten now, from what I hear), orbit the sun. God knows how many planets circle the other billions of stars in the Milky way, and how many trillion stars and quadrillion planets orbit inside the other billions of galaxies. the funny thing is, there's more space than matter in the universe. If we somehow made the milky way smaller by 1/1000000000, and the sun was the size of a grapefruit, the nearest star to the sun (in the milky way) would be about 2,500 km (about 4000 miles). If I decided to manually count all the stars in the skies (with a strong telescope), it would take me over 3,000 years to do so. All of these astronomical things came from something the size of an atom. I could go on about the big bang in itself, but let me tell you that the amount of protons and electrons taken to make this happen was so exact that any small nuance would have caused nothing to happen, and we wouldn't be here. Chance? I don't know. Sometimes I feel agnostic, but the big bang is an assurance that someone or something, is carefully and systematically building and organizing things. Not in the way the bible puts it exactly, but in a beautiful, creative and aligning method. The Logic behind all this is too intelligent.

I took astronomy in college last semester, and there's a theory in the Big Bang called "inflation," in which an entity the size of an atom (the tiniest thingie ever) would expand into the size of the solar system in a very small fraction of one second. Imagine that for a sec. We all can't imagine this because our measure of sight and mind isn't up to it.

Let's look at the earth, apparently insignificant when compared to the galaxy. Forget the "miracle of life" crap for a moment, but really, how did all of this happen? How did we, as humans, evolve from single celled organisms to be like this? Intelligent, advanced, and AWARE THAT WE EXIST. Trees, ants and whatnot don't have the awareness that we have. Religion and philosophy are things we use to find out why. Why are we here? How did we get this way? Are we alone? Are there others in the other planets like us or better? Believe it or not, everyone has some connection to God. Athiests say he's not there and try to prove it, Theists say he is, and use whatever tool they have, be it religion or not, to say so. Everyone comes up with theories: "God is non-personal" "He's a force" "the atom in the big bang is God" " We are all connected as God" "Let's leave God out of our affairs" "God is the supreme maker in the bible" "There're many gods who supervise things." I don't think everyone would totally get it though. God is so beyond our comprehension, so powerful, that we'll never know him until his real truth comes out. God is beyond time or space or our conception. Remember, before the big bang, there was no time or space, so we can't find out on our own, some one beyond the confines of time and space might know. Science would never know God because it has ruled him out and taken "logic" instead, Religion can be so self-centered, Philosophy can be worse.

Let's even look at other paranormal phenomena: Ghosts, near-death experiences (people actually floating from their bodies and seeing visions of "intelligent" light that profuses love, or extreme images of suffering and hell), visions of demons and angels, psychic abilities unexplained by science. There's just too much proof to dismiss the possibility of God and the other side.

Sorry if this seems confusing, but that's just how I see it. We say bad stuff happens, but we also forget about the good things. It's the human stain, I guess: when we get so wrapped up in Good we forget about Bad, and when we get so wrapped up in Bad we forget Good. But there is good and bad.

Majority of us Africans believe blindly in God, forgetting "awareness" and "liberation." whether he exists or not, we don't know and for some reason, the "blindness" makes us happy, even in the saddest times. It's a good feeling to be "ignorant," because according to science, theists and the religious live healthier lives. Sometimes, I want to lash out at God when I feel bad, even want to rule him out as non-existent, but I know others worse off. I hear of people who relish in the idea
of doing the evil things which normal people like us dread. Things we would never do. We have a conscience, they don't. That should mean something, shouldn't it? Everyone has an "inner" tenet of what is good and bad, despite what we think about cultural brainwashing. Babies and children exihibit this.

There is evil in the world. Forget "openmindedness." There is evil in the world. Bad things, synonymous with what our forefathers associated with devils and such, still happen. Things that makes you wonder why. Things that make you question God. There is good too, remember that. We should be strong. And strength means not having to blame anyone, including God, for suffering, or deny his existence. We don't know the other battles taking place "up there", or the real reasons for what happens here. Things above our understanding will always be above our understanding.  We should stop looking at the Bad and try to look at the Good. That is strength. That is why we are here. It's hard. Even I feel hypocritical saying it, but this is what we need sometimes.

As for giving up on God. You can give up on christianity or whatever you see as organized religion, but don't give up on God. This is against what catholicism and all of christianity stands for, but there may be other belief systems out there that might bring you better peace and reconciliation with Him, whatever your grudges might be. Religion divides, but belief can unite. Don't say he doesn't exist. I'm happy with being a christian because it makes total sense to me. The concept of love and forgivness are certainly what we as humans need. Science makes it clearer. Find whatever belief that suits you.Sorry if I sound preachy, but some people who posted before must have had some relationship with God at some point. It's a beautiful thing, despite what doubt is trying to tell you. You can find it again, if you so wish.

Lady Nnenna1, I commend you for your insight (even though I don't fully agree). If more Christians were like you, the world would truly be a better place.

nicetohave:

Yeah, John Lennon, i say you are truly truly a dreamer...................i pray those you have sent to sleep to dream likewise as yours will wake up to the truth.

Yeah, kill 'm all and let God sort out his own. Let's do God's work

Its not funny nferyn i see somebody waking up soon from a great and dream-ful slumber

welcome and thanks Nnenna1

nyfren dude stop insultin me, im juz tryin totell u that God exists so u can tell me otherwise and i wanna see the point ur comin from, juz make it consise, when u copy some large stuff from a website it doesnt help me in anyway. i cant read all dat cuz i joggle tingz on da net. basically make it short

Why have you all (Nferyn, allonym, Ijebuman) chosen to ignore this one: ??

kaylala: CAMPINAS/SP IN 2005
In Campinas, a group of friends, drunk, went to pick up a friend. The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried about the drunkenness of her friends and she said to the daughter - holding her hand, who was already seated in the car: "MY DAUGHTER, GO WITH GOD AND MAY HE PROTECT YOU",   
She responded: ONLY IF HE (GOD) TRAVELS IN THE BOOT, COZ INSIDE HERE IT'S ALREADY FULL"
Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident, everyone had died, the car could not be recognized what type of car it had been, but surprisingly, the boot was intact.
The police said there was no way the boot could have remained intact. To their surprise, inside the boot was a crate of eggs, none was broken.

Check those letters in bold and tell me what you think. Give explanations I mean.

Goodguy, honestly, I have a better explanation. It was all the flying spaghetti monster or maybe the coconut most holy. All points in that direction. There is no denying. By denying the spaghetti monster, you only show that you hate him and that you are in the spell of the evil french fries, the archfoe of the spaghetti monster. It is either this or that, you can't have it both ways.
by the way, you can only embrace the boiling frying oil by being in the spaghetti, no matter what good deeds you may do in life, only spaghetti can save you.

goodguy:

Why have you all (Nferyn, allonym, Ijebuman) chosen to ignore this one: ??

Check those letters in bold and tell me what you think. Give explanations I mean.

@@ if you want me to respond to the rest then you need to provide the source or reference to where you got the information from. I'm not responding to urban myths. 

Ask kaylala.

@@ since you love urban myths so much i'll point you to the definitive internet reference source for urban legends, folklore and myths
http://www.snopes.com/

and don't forget to check out the Titanic myths page on snopes

Then there is the legend that the Titanic was advertised as "unsinkable." The press, captivated by the ironical implications, has faithfully repeated the story through the years. Actually, the White Star ads never made such a claim about the Titanic or her sister ship Olympic.
http://www.snopes.com/history/titanic/unsinkable.asp

http://www.snopes.com/history/titanic/titanic.asp

goodguy:

Why have you all (Nferyn, allonym, Ijebuman) chosen to ignore this one: ??

Check those letters in bold and tell me what you think. Give explanations I mean.

Actually goodguy, I did not let it go. I posted some sarcastic replies to it. If you look back about a page, you'll see.

panthress:

nyfren dude stop insultin me, im juz tryin totell u that God exists so u can tell me otherwise and i want to see the point your comin from, juz make it consise, when u copy some large stuff from a website it doesnt help me in anyway. i can't read all that because i joggle tingz on da net. basically make it short

Why should I not point you to the deficiencies in your reasoning? Your were the one insulting me on the abortion thread.
Anyway do not expect me to make a concise version of my main points, I have neither the time nor the energy to dumb down my arguments

dumbdown ur arguments, dude uve chewed enuf magic mushrooms today, get off da chain gang, copyin and pasting is not argument onye ara

Thank God for women who can speak better and louder than men, i keep telling nferyn to tell me on whose authority were his "cut and paste" site references are written but he wont answer me, just because some fool wrote it on the net does not make it consumable and healthy for human consumption, thanks panthress

Nnenna1 thank you very much for your theoretical and spiritual analysis. I totally agree with you. You said it all. It is arduous to comprehend the existence and God but understandable to an open minder.

Religion is a branch of science. What you also forget to tell then was that earth will eventually die one day and create a lovely nebula that will start our solar system again.

You kidding me sbucareer? Nebula and the death of the earth? well i never heard that before, can you give me a site i can read more on that? Maybe there is no God afterall, maybe nferyn and all the other subscriber to "there is no God afterall" are right afterall ignorance is bliss, it is also very costly.

Holy anedoctal non-evidence, batman!

Mayb this will make u have a re-think

JOHN LENNON
Some years before during his interview with an American Magazine, he said:
"Christianity will end, it will disappear. I do not have to argue about that. I am certain. Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple, Today we are more famous than Him" (1966)".
Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times.

Lennon died about 14 years after that statement. If your psychotic God wanted to prove something, Lennon would have died immediately after he made that statement, from a bolt of lightening or something like that.

TANCREDO NEVES
During the Presidential campaign, he said if he got 500 votes from his party, not even God would remove him from Presidency. Sure he got the votes, but he got sick a day before being made President, then he died.

Here's a thought, how about you provide a worthy source that shows Neves saying the above.

CAZUZA
During a show in Canecão ( Rio de Janeiro ), whilst smoking his cigarette, he puffed out some smoke into the air and said: God, that's for you.
I can't even explain how he died.

Who the flying f**k is Cazuza?

THE MAN WHO BUILT TITANIC
After the construction of Titanic, a reporter asked him how safe the Titanic would be. With an ironic tone he said: "Not even God can sink it"
The result: I think you all know what happened to the Titanic.

Kudos to the poster that posted the snopes link.

MARILYN MONROE
She was visited by Billy Graham during a presentation of a show. He is a preacher and Evangelist and the Spirit of God had sent him to preach to her.
After hearing what the Preacher had to say, she said:
"I don't need your Jesus"
A week later, she was found dead in her apartment.

Codswallop.

BON SCOTT
The ex-vocalist of the AC/DC. On one of his 1979 songs he sang:
"Don´t stop me, I´m going down all the way, wow the highway to
hell".
On the 19th of February 1980, Bon Scott was found dead, he had been choked by his vomit.

...and XTC sang "the father, son and holy ghost, Is just somebody’s unholy hoax", they are all still alive.

CAMPINAS/SP IN 2005
In Campinas, a group of friends, drunk, went to pick up a friend. The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried about the drunkenness of her friends and she said to the daughter - holding her hand, who was already seated in the car: "MY DAUGHTER, GO WITH GOD AND MAY HE PROTECT YOU",
She responded: ONLY IF HE (GOD) TRAVELS IN THE BOOT, COZ INSIDE HERE IT'S ALREADY FULL"
Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident, everyone had died, the car could not be recognized what type of car it had been, but surprisingly, the boot was intact.
The police said there was no way the boot could have remained intact. To their surprise, inside the boot was a crate of eggs, none was broken.

In Hope Springs, a group of friends, drunk went to pick some friends. The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried about the drunkenness of her friends and she said to the daughter - holding her hand, who was already seated in the car: "MY DAUGHTER, GO WITH ZEUS AND MAY HE PROTECT YOU",
She responded: ONLY IF HE (ZEUS) TRAVELS IN THE BOOT, COZ INSIDE HERE IT'S ALREADY FULL"

Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident, they had slammed into another car. Everybody in the other car died. The family in the other car were all ardent christians on their way from church, however the strangest thing was that their pastor had prophesied that the year would be their year of "prosperity and breakthrough"; yet they died.

And the girl with the Hellenist mother? She and her friends survived the accident without a scratch, she (the girl) later became a priestess of Zeus. Unfortunately all the eggs she had in her boot broke, so she bought another crate.

Up ZEUS, up APOLLO!

nicetohave:

i keep telling nferyn to tell me on whose authority were his "cut and paste" site references are written but he wont answer me, just because some fool wrote it on the net does not make it consumable and healthy for human consumption

Its called doing research and providing references, unlike the obvious plagiarism exhibited by many on this thread. How can someone sink so low as to post urban myths to justify the existence of God. If you really believe in God why would you feel threatened if others have an opposing view ? Why are opposing views not 'consumable and healthy for human consumption' what are you scared of ?  

to nicetohave here you reference

1. http://www.noao.edu/jacoby/pn_gallery.html
2. http://www.washington.edu/newsroom/news/2003archive/01-03archive/k011303a.html

NOTE
===========
Our Sun will eventually die one day.  We will not be here but our children would and it is a terrible faith for human kind.

Scientist has known this for long and are fighting for new technologies for interstellar travel to another star.  


You can do this

panthress:

dumbdown your arguments, dude uve chewed enough magic mushrooms today, get off da chain gang, copyin and pasting is not argument onye ara

1. If you would actually use those grey cells of yours and exhibit some cortical activity, you could start by reading my arguments. I regularly provide references to the sources of my knowledge, as I do not want to take credit for those ideas. Some people here are so intellectually bankrupt that they don't bother to do that.
2. If I write about my argument for the non-existence of God, I do not need any sources, because that argument is mine and mine alone. If you would have bothered to read the previous pages, you would have noticed. Now you're just talking out of your ass.
3. You continuously insult me and then have the nerve to say that I'm insulting you. I wonder what kind of education your parents gave you (or maybe it's just you)

nicetohave:

Thank God for women who can speak better and louder than men, i keep telling nferyn to tell me on whose authority were his "cut and paste" site references are written but he wont answer me, just because some fool wrote it on the net does not make it consumable and healthy for human consumption, thanks panthress

This is the first time you tell me anything [/i]about the authority of my references. Is lying for the Good Cause now fashionable among Christians?

Obviously, as you call all non-believers [i]fools [/i]on the Bible's authority, those people will be [i]fools [/i]in your eyes. Why don't you throw away all of our scientific knowledge. After all, a lot of it was based on the work of [i]fools
Why don't you go and practice an uniquely Christian medicine and discard all the knowledge of those non believers. Just put a bible under the bed of the newborns to prevent cot death, that's a uniquely Christian remedy.