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Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by chazy(m): 2:57pm On Mar 23, 2011
Hi all,

Kindly visit www.eclatcollections.com and reply with comments and suggestions.

P.S: Don't mind the dummy text. I'm yet to get full content from the client.

Charles Dairo.
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by yawatide(f): 3:48pm On Mar 23, 2011
I guess you wanted to use this site to display your jquery skills, as opposed to helping the client sell her products:

1) Contact form isn't validating (front or back)

2) From a maintenance point of view, I don't see any reason to put all 5 pages on one page. Besides, if I google the company and say, gallery page comes up, I expect to see gallery. With the script you have, it will default to what is the home page, then I have to click again to go to the gallery

3) I would reduce the size of the header so as to bring more of the content into view: I would reduce the 360px of #header by at least half

4) Learn to put your CSS and JS into their respective files, as opposed to putting them on the actual pages (cleaner code, easier to maintain, lighter pages, faster page download times, etc)

5) In firefox, after what you would call your contact "page", there is a huge white space. This is more reason to follow my advice in #2

Having said that, nice layout, nice color combo and clean HTML code.

Good luck!
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by chazy(m): 5:37pm On Mar 23, 2011
More reviews please,


@yawa-ti-de.
--You seem to be a professional website designer. Can you please post links to websites you have designed? Maybe I can learn some stuff.

Concerning your review:
--The point was actually to design a single-page website. see www.onepagelove.com.

--the gallery section cannot show up in a search engine as a different page because it's not a separate page.

--The CSS is not on the html file. As for the JS, it was necessary for it to work as expected. I'll still 'gzip' the file to compress it.

--The 'white space" near the contact form is a facebook Like Box. I wonder why it does not show on your browser. It works well on other computers. I'll troubleshoot that.

--The client LOVES the header that way.

--Concerning validation, I'll handle that ASAP. Currently, the message does not get sent unless an e-mail address is entered.


Thanks again for the review.
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by chazy(m): 6:42pm On Mar 23, 2011
@yawa-ti-de:

I have implemented a form validator. Please check again.

Cheers!!
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by yawatide(f): 8:41pm On Mar 23, 2011
--You seem to be a professional website designer. Can you please post links to websites you have designed? Maybe I can learn some stuff.
I don't share "my works" in the public arena. You can contact me privately for that though wink

--The point was actually to design a single-page website. see www.onepagelove.com.
The whole, "I am doing it because google (of course not google in this case) does it" doesn't and shouldn't fly all the time. This is one of them.

--the gallery section cannot show up in a search engine as a different page because it's not a separate page.
Which is why I said split out the pages tongue

--The CSS is not on the html file. As for the JS, it was necessary for it to work as expected. I'll still 'gzip' the file to compress it.
I didn't say you had CSS on the page. It was general advice. As per javascript, you can call a fxn onload and then write the code for that function in a js file that you call in your script tag.

--The 'white space" near the contact form is a facebook Like Box. I wonder why it does not show on your browser. It works well on other computers. I'll troubleshoot that.
Always code for Firefox first, as a developer. Also, code incrementally, which means, build a section and test in all browsers, then move to the next. This way, you know where any problems come from.

--The client LOVES the header that way.
Still doesn't make it right. I have argued features with commissioners, and won so it isn't hard, as long as you do it professionally and with proof.

--Concerning validation, I'll handle that ASAP. Currently, the message does not get sent unless an e-mail address is entered.
Your validation script isn't validating email addresses and phone numbers properly. It isn't enough to just check if the field is empty. You need to check for patterns as well. Also, it isn't enough to just validate on the front end. You need to validate on the back end as well. This helps mitigate security risks.
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by ogzille(m): 11:32pm On Mar 23, 2011
Push the lady's pic to the right a bit, so the header content will be properly aligned.
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by bouzymill(m): 8:27pm On Mar 25, 2011

You seem to be a professional website designer. Can you please post links to websites you have designed? Maybe I can learn some stuff.
I don't share "my works" in the public arena.  You can contact me privately for that though wink
they are "your" works though, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't want to show it publicly. I mean designers have online portfolios and they show their works,

The point was actually to design a single-page website. see www.onepagelove.com.
The whole, "I am doing it because google (of course not google in this case) does it" doesn't and shouldn't fly all the time.  This is one of them.
No. One page website is fast becoming the trend,  started roughly middle 2009. If it's nice, why not? would you say website like this, www.agcchicago.org, is bad because it has implemented the one page technique? No. So, there's nothing absolutely wrong with the one page website.


--the gallery section cannot show up in a search engine as a different page because it's not a separate page.
Which is why I said split out the pages  tongue
What's the point here? Google would bring out the page eventually,  and the navigation is bold enough for the "searcher" to see the Gallery


The CSS is not on the html file. As for the JS, it was necessary for it to work as expected. I'll still 'gzip' the file to compress it.
I didn't say you had CSS on the page.  It was general advice.  As per javascript, you can call a fxn onload and then write the code for that function in a js file that you call in your script tag.
I totally cosign this. . . Otherwise, Your CSS and JQuery script keeps loading everytime you open another page.


The 'white space" near the contact form is a facebook Like Box. I wonder why it does not show on your browser. It works well on other computers. I'll troubleshoot that.
Always code for Firefox first, as a developer.  Also, code incrementally, which means, build a section and test in all browsers, then move to the next.  This way, you know where any problems come from.
Well,  The point is to be "Standard Complaint Web Developer" and always have workarounds for almighty Internet explorer. But on the real, Google Chrome and Firefox are leading the statistics of web users worldwide so,  try and test in them. . . while designing.


The client LOVES the header that way.
[/b]Still doesn't make it right. I have argued features with commissioners, and won so it isn't hard, as long as you do it professionally and with proof.

Exactly. Some clients can be a pain in the ass. . . but they came to you because they trust your job, so try and win it sometimes. and ultimately, like Paula Scher would say, learn to say No to some clients. It's either you get the job or not.

Concerning validation, I'll handle that ASAP. Currently, the message does not get sent unless an e-mail address is entered.
[b]Your validation script isn't validating email addresses and phone numbers properly.  It isn't enough to just check if the field is empty.  You need to check for patterns as well.  Also, it isn't enough to just validate on the front end.  You need to validate  on the back end as well.  This helps mitigate security risks.

Well said.

Another point which I would like to chip in is the "width" of the container or wrapper or whatever you called it cos my monitor screen is 1400x900 (Large enough) and your site almost ate all the width up. Normally, Standardly. . . it shouldn't be more than 1000,  the "blueprint Grid" and "960Grid" use exactly 960 width (that is if you believe n CSS framework) and even if you don't,  you should know that it is important to keep the width within the user's screen. .  . with this design people using 800x600 '14 inch screen would be seriously disturbed by horizontally scrolling.

Plus your website is centralized but the picture in that left corner is f!cking up the "sense of centralization" so,  u really need to put it back.

Great Colour Combination.

overall, it is a very nice website.
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by Nobody: 10:05pm On Mar 25, 2011
Please can i have the contact of any of this babes,

Then we can talk of review!
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by bouzymill(m): 10:36pm On Mar 25, 2011
Donpuzo:

Please can i have the contact of any of this babes,

Then we can talk of review!

looool. . . . U want to review extensively.

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Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by chazy(m): 1:58pm On Mar 26, 2011
@yawa-ti-de:
---Thanks for reviewing again. You even went as far as reviewing every statement I made in the reply. You really like reviewing, don't you?

@bouzymill:
---Thanks for helping me clarify things with yawa-ti-de.
---Also, thanks for the comments and advice.
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by yawatide(f): 3:01pm On Mar 26, 2011
they are "your" works though, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't want to show it publicly. I mean designers have online portfolios and they show their works,
Allow me to clarify: I don't "show my works" on online fora.  Yes, I do have a website that features "my works" and if you are a potential client, in addition to sharing my url with you, I also visit you with an album containing a print out of same "works" but no, I won't display it on online fora. Also, if you YIM me privately, something many have done, I will show it to you but again, not on an online fora.  I have my reasons.  Better?  tongue

No. One page website is fast becoming the trend,  started roughly middle 2009. If it's nice, why not? would you say website like this, www.agcchicago.org, is bad because it has implemented the one page technique? No. So, there's nothing absolutely wrong with the one page website.

1) The site you reference is not a 1-page site.  Even if it were, I would prefer chazy's to yours.  

2) At the end of the day, it is all about usability.  There is a good book, now in its second edition that is called, "Don't make me think" by Steve Krug.  I respectfully suggest that you read both editions

What's the point here? Google would bring out the page eventually,  and the navigation is bold enough for the "searcher" to see the Gallery
I would like to focus on the "eventually" part of this comment.  These days, 80% of users, according to the last research that I read, don't even look past the 1st 5 returned results in google.  "Eventually" no longer cuts it.  Either you are in, assuming your site is aimed at generating income/donations, or u r out.  Sorry.
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by yawatide(f): 3:02pm On Mar 26, 2011
@yawa-ti-de:
---Thanks for reviewing again. You even went as far as reviewing every statement I made in the reply. You really like reviewing, don't you?

No worries. This is how I earn my living. Of recent, I have decided to "give back" to the community by offering free advice wherever and whenever I can.
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by Jangoreal: 4:29pm On Mar 26, 2011
Nairaland webmasters, I think is time we also review jobs of this best website reviewer.

He says he do not share his jobs in Public.

Oya follow me on: www.acewebdev.com

meanwhile: this website (www.fianceebridal.com) coming from you is not bad at all keep it up, lol.

Like the saying goes empty vessel makes the loudest noise.

but this time is half filled vessels that make the loudest noise,
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by bouzymill(m): 6:23pm On Mar 26, 2011

Allow me to clarify: I don't "show my works" on online fora.  Yes, I do have a website that features "my works" and if you are a potential client, in addition to sharing my url with you, I also visit you with an album containing a print out of same "works" but no, I won't display it on online fora. Also, if you YIM me privately, something many have done, I will show it to you but again, not on an online fora.  I have my reasons.  Better?

Well. . . I wouldn't go as far as asking a web designer what his ID is, in order to gain access to his previous works when I can view others with a single search in google (thinking the way real and powerful clients think) . That is why web designers, developers, anybody in the creative field, has an online porfolio for. . . "To show people". . an by the way, If I was interviewing a developer for a job, I wouldn't accept a "print out" as his portfolio. I mean, how do we access the functionality of the works? Except ofcourse he is applying as a front-End designer or a graphic designer Let's just move on from that. On to the next one.


1) The site you reference is not a 1-page site.  Even if it were, I would prefer chazy's to yours. 

2) At the end of the day, it is all about usability.  There is a good book, now in its second edition that is called, "Don't make me think" by Steve Krug.  I respectfully suggest that you read both editions

At first, that link was a mistake. I was trying to show this. http://www.agcchicago.org/netpositive/ . And none of them is my work. . . I just brought it up to show a one page site, which to me, is nice  except you've got your own subjective reason to dislike a one page website. . . and that is totally welcome. And thank you so much for the book recommendation, I would seehow I can get hold of it digitally or the hard copy. Whichever way. and To reciprocate that, You can also try to read this, digitally though, "Designing With Progressive Enhancement" by Todd Parker et al.  a little advanced but the best to meet up with the current design trend.


I would like to focus on the "eventually" part of this comment.  These days, 80% of users, according to the last research that I read, don't even look past the 1st 5 returned results in google.  "Eventually" no longer cuts it.  Either you are in, assuming your site is aimed at generating income/donations, or u r out.  Sorry.

Talking about SEO, I know my way around that to the level of my peers in the field so I can say a little bit about this. First, the research you are talking about is people searching based on "tags" (for example, someone searching for a web designer in Nigeria and types "Web Designer Nigeria" or "Web Designer in Nigeria"wink. Yes, you are right. they just look at the first few results and X the page. These people never pressed second page. I can say for years also, I have never clicked Page 2 of Google.

However, If you aim at optimizing your website for this kind of search, splitting the site would not do jerk! It's a fact. What you'ld be looking at are the Inline elements of the website. We are talking about wrapping even images in headers like [<h1>Logo of Whatever<img src="wateva.jpg" /></h1>] and some css to hide the text so that even google would read the images or flash that it wouldn't on a normal situation.

I completely agree with your concern on the SEO capabilities of the website what I'm just saying is that what you suggested might not have any effect.
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by bouzymill(m): 7:48pm On Mar 26, 2011

Allow me to clarify: I don't "show my works" on online fora. Yes, I do have a website that features "my works" and if you are a potential client, in addition to sharing my url with you, I also visit you with an album containing a print out of same "works" but no, I won't display it on online fora. Also, if you YIM me privately, something many have done, I will show it to you but again, not on an online fora. I have my reasons. Better?

Well. . . I wouldn't go as far as asking a web designer what his ID is, in order to gain access to his previous works when I can view others with a single search in google (thinking the way real and powerful clients think) . That is why web designers, developers, anybody in the creative field, has an online porfolio for. . . "To show people". . an by the way, If I was interviewing a developer for a job, I wouldn't accept a "print out" as his portfolio. I mean, how do we access the functionality of the works? Except ofcourse he is applying as a front-End designer or a graphic designer Let's just move on from that. On to the next one.


1) The site you reference is not a 1-page site. Even if it were, I would prefer chazy's to yours.

2) At the end of the day, it is all about usability. There is a good book, now in its second edition that is called, "Don't make me think" by Steve Krug. I respectfully suggest that you read both editions

At first, that link was a mistake. I was trying to show this. http://www.agcchicago.org/netpositive/ . And none of them is my work. . . I just brought it up to show a one page site, which to me, is nice except you've got your own subjective reason to dislike a one page website. . . and that is totally welcome. And thank you so much for the book recommendation, I would seehow I can get hold of it digitally or the hard copy. Whichever way. and To reciprocate that, You can also try to read this, digitally though, "Designing With Progressive Enhancement" by Todd Parker et al. a little advanced but the best to meet up with the current design trend.


I would like to focus on the "eventually" part of this comment. These days, 80% of users, according to the last research that I read, don't even look past the 1st 5 returned results in google. "Eventually" no longer cuts it. Either you are in, assuming your site is aimed at generating income/donations, or u r out. Sorry.

Talking about SEO, I know my way around that to the level of my peers in the field so I can say a little bit about this. First, the research you are talking about is people searching based on "tags" (for example, someone searching for a web designer in Nigeria and types "Web Designer Nigeria" or "Web Designer in Nigeria"wink. Yes, you are right. they just look at the first few results and X the page. These people never pressed second page. I can say for years also, I have never clicked Page 2 of Google.

However, If you aim at optimizing your website for this kind of search, splitting the site would not do jerk! It's a fact. What you'ld be looking at are the Inline elements of the website. We are talking about wrapping even images in headers like [<h1>Logo of Whatever<img src="wateva.jpg" /></h1>] and some css to hide the text so that even google would read the images or flash that it wouldn't on a normal situation.

I completely agree with your concern on the SEO capabilities of the website what I'm just saying is that what you suggested might not have any effect.
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by bouzymill(m): 6:56am On Mar 27, 2011

Allow me to clarify: I don't "show my works" on online fora. Yes, I do have a website that features "my works" and if you are a potential client, in addition to sharing my url with you, I also visit you with an album containing a print out of same "works" but no, I won't display it on online fora. Also, if you YIM me privately, something many have done, I will show it to you but again, not on an online fora. I have my reasons. Better?

Well. . . I wouldn't go as far as asking a web designer what his ID is, in order to gain access to his previous works when I can view others with a single search in google (thinking the way real and powerful clients think) . That is why web designers, developers, anybody in the creative field, has an online porfolio for. . . "To show people". . an by the way, If I was interviewing a developer for a job, I wouldn't accept a "print out" as his portfolio. I mean, how do we access the functionality of the works? Except ofcourse he is applying as a front-End designer or a graphic designer Let's just move on from that. On to the next one.


1) The site you reference is not a 1-page site. Even if it were, I would prefer chazy's to yours.

2) At the end of the day, it is all about usability. There is a good book, now in its second edition that is called, "Don't make me think" by Steve Krug. I respectfully suggest that you read both editions

At first, that link was a mistake. I was trying to show this. http://www.agcchicago.org/netpositive/ . And none of them is my work. . . I just brought it up to show a one page site, which to me, is nice except you've got your own subjective reason to dislike a one page website. . . and that is totally welcome. And thank you so much for the book recommendation, I would seehow I can get hold of it digitally or the hard copy. Whichever way. and To reciprocate that, You can also try to read this, digitally though, "Designing With Progressive Enhancement" by Todd Parker et al. a little advanced but the best to meet up with the current design trend.


I would like to focus on the "eventually" part of this comment. These days, 80% of users, according to the last research that I read, don't even look past the 1st 5 returned results in google. "Eventually" no longer cuts it. Either you are in, assuming your site is aimed at generating income/donations, or u r out. Sorry.

Talking about SEO, I know my way around that to the level of my peers in the field so I can say a little bit about this. First, the research you are talking about is people searching based on "tags" (for example, someone searching for a web designer in Nigeria and types "Web Designer Nigeria" or "Web Designer in Nigeria"wink. Yes, you are right. they just look at the first few results and X the page. These people never pressed second page. I can say for years also, I have never clicked Page 2 of Google.

However, If you aim at optimizing your website for this kind of search, splitting the site would not do jerk! It's a fact. What you'ld be looking at are the Inline elements of the website. We are talking about wrapping even images in headers like [<h1>Logo of Whatever<img src="wateva.jpg" /></h1>] and some css to hide the text so that even google would read the images or flash that it wouldn't on a normal situation.

I completely agree with your concern on the SEO capabilities of the website what I'm just saying is that what you suggested might not have any effect.
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by yawatide(f): 7:02am On Mar 27, 2011
Jangoreal,

Typically, I would ignore such rants as I try to avoid ad hominem attacks but this one is just too juicy to let go.

Why?

[size=15pt]BECAUSE THAT IS NOT MY SITE[/size]

Even if it were, you have just displayed your level of "maturity" by making public what I have chosen not to be made public.  I take it you are yet to grow your first pubic hair.

Guess who the foolish fool is now.  If anyone is hiring you to do SEO, abeg, sharp sharp, make you take style refund dem money o.  Instead of you trying to come up with something to help reduce the level of unemployment in Nigeria (in other words, add value to those of us on NL in particular and in the country in general), you are busy obsessing over (time = money) trying to find a website to beat your hands on your hairless chest with.

If na yawa you want, na yawa you go get. Oya now tongue
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by Nobody: 7:29am On Mar 27, 2011
As much as i would have loved to see how this end, and lend my quota to the doom of the i.diot called jarngo. I will let this pass. Cause the reason he started this issue was irrelivant!

I thrive where relevant matters dwell.

PS: i might just play the referee who side kicks. Lol
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by bouzymill1: 6:51pm On Mar 27, 2011

Allow me to clarify: I don't "show my works" on online fora. Yes, I do have a website that features "my works" and if you are a potential client, in addition to sharing my url with you, I also visit you with an album containing a print out of same "works" but no, I won't display it on online fora. Also, if you YIM me privately, something many have done, I will show it to you but again, not on an online fora. I have my reasons. Better?

Well. . . I wouldn't go as far as asking a web designer what his ID is, in order to gain access to his previous works when I can view others with a single search in google (thinking the way real and powerful clients think) . That is why web designers, developers, anybody in the creative field, has an online porfolio for. . . "To show people". . an by the way, If I was interviewing a developer for a job, I wouldn't accept a "print out" as his portfolio. I mean, how do we access the functionality of the works? Except ofcourse he is applying as a front-End designer or a graphic designer Let's just move on from that. On to the next one.


1) The site you reference is not a 1-page site. Even if it were, I would prefer chazy's to yours.

2) At the end of the day, it is all about usability. There is a good book, now in its second edition that is called, "Don't make me think" by Steve Krug. I respectfully suggest that you read both editions

At first, that link was a mistake. I was trying to show this. http://www.agcchicago.org/netpositive/ . And none of them is my work. . . I just brought it up to show a one page site, which to me, is nice except you've got your own subjective reason to dislike a one page website. . . and that is totally welcome. And thank you so much for the book recommendation, I would seehow I can get hold of it digitally or the hard copy. Whichever way. and To reciprocate that, You can also try to read this, digitally though, "Designing With Progressive Enhancement" by Todd Parker et al. a little advanced but the best to meet up with the current design trend.


I would like to focus on the "eventually" part of this comment. These days, 80% of users, according to the last research that I read, don't even look past the 1st 5 returned results in google. "Eventually" no longer cuts it. Either you are in, assuming your site is aimed at generating income/donations, or u r out. Sorry.

Talking about SEO, I know my way around that to the level of my peers in the field so I can say a little bit about this. First, the research you are talking about is people searching based on "tags" (for example, someone searching for a web designer in Nigeria and types "Web Designer Nigeria" or "Web Designer in Nigeria"wink. Yes, you are right. they just look at the first few results and X the page. These people never pressed second page. I can say for years also, I have never clicked Page 2 of Google.

However, If you aim at optimizing your website for this kind of search, splitting the site would not do jerk! It's a fact. What you'ld be looking at are the Inline elements of the website. We are talking about wrapping even images in headers like [<h1>Logo of Whatever<img src="wateva.jpg" /></h1>] and some css to hide the text so that even google would read the images or flash that it wouldn't on a normal situation.

I completely agree with your concern on the SEO capabilities of the website what I'm just saying is that what you suggested might not have any effect.
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by Nobody: 10:04pm On Mar 27, 2011
donde esta la babes?
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by Nobody: 10:06pm On Mar 27, 2011
sheck out this website i am yet to complete - it is done with drupal, and has a flash header. . .
pero it is ajaxified and so is like a one-page site really.

because the owner does not want the flash to be reloading per page load, and am using drupal
so i cannot use frames, so i am forced to ajaxify the drupal links.

some contents are still missing though. . .
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by yawatide(f): 2:47am On Mar 28, 2011
Well. . . I wouldn't go as far as asking a web designer what his ID is, in order to gain access to his previous works when I can view others with a single search in google (thinking the way real and powerful clients think) . That is why web designers, developers, anybody in the creative field, has an online porfolio for. . . "To show people". . an by the way, If I was interviewing a developer for a job, I wouldn't accept a "print out" as his portfolio. I mean, how do we access the functionality of the works? Except ofcourse he is applying as a front-End designer or a graphic designer Let's just move on from that. On to the next one.

I am afraid we can't move on, just because you say so. Sorry.

I don't carry around my laptop everywhere I go. Also, not all clients you meet have access to a computer at the time you meet with them. In order to give those who fall into either category a "taste", I always have with me a binder showing the home page of every site I have done, in addition to a business card and a postcard. The latter 2 have information regarding how to access what I have done online, including functionality and design. I hope that explains it for you.

At first, that link was a mistake. I was trying to show this. http://www.agcchicago.org/netpositive/ . And none of them is my work. . . I just brought it up to show a one page site, which to me, is nice except you've got your own subjective reason to dislike a one page website. . . and that is totally welcome. And thank you so much for the book recommendation, I would seehow I can get hold of it digitally or the hard copy. Whichever way. and To reciprocate that, You can also try to read this, digitally though, "Designing With Progressive Enhancement" by Todd Parker et al. a little advanced but the best to meet up with the current design trend.

A little advanced? I am trembling as we speak. My nit wit brain will probably not be able to digest then, I guess. Interestingly, I have been on the bandwagon of progressive enhancement and graceful degradation for quite a few years now.

For example, I recently argued in front of my boss (in a company that hires 50K+ people), and a client, that we shouldn't waste our time coding for all IE browsers just because they don't support css3 and html5. We should think ahead of the curve and take advantage of all fully supported features in webkit browsers with the understanding that eventually, IE9+ will support those features (progressive enhancement). By so doing though, we are to code for the IE browsers such that they are at least presentable to the user (graceful degradation). That my friend is progressive enhancement in a nutshell. A little simplified I know but hey, it works for me. Now, read the one I recommended to you and you will understand why people like me get easily annoyed by sites that "make me think".

Oh, by the way, referring to http://www.agcchicago.org/netpositive/, I scrolled down to "our reason", copied the first line, pasted it in google and as expected, the first result was that site. When I clicked, however, it stuck on the home/first page, without taking me to the section for "our reason". In other words, I would then have to spend some time, no matter how small, trying to figure out that section was. Again, more reason to read that book I recommended. It is not about me, or what I like or don't like. Obviously, every site, no matter how bad, has its place and audience but again, that doesn't make it right for all occasions.

Talking about SEO, I know my way around that to the level of my peers in the field so I can say a little bit about this. First, the research you are talking about is people searching based on "tags" (for example, someone searching for a web designer in Nigeria and types "Web Designer Nigeria" or "Web Designer in Nigeria"wink. Yes, you are right. they just look at the first few results and X the page. These people never pressed second page. I can say for years also, I have never clicked Page 2 of Google.

However, If you aim at optimizing your website for this kind of search, splitting the site would not do jerk! It's a fact. What you'ld be looking at are the Inline elements of the website. We are talking about wrapping even images in headers like [<h1>Logo of Whatever<img src="wateva.jpg" /></h1>] and some css to hide the text so that even google would read the images or flash that it wouldn't on a normal situation.

I completely agree with your concern on the SEO capabilities of the website what I'm just saying is that what you suggested might not have any effect.

You agree then you disagree then you agree again. Then to top it all off, you just had to throw in "jerk". Okay o. Again, my simpleton mind at work. No worries. By the way, and you probably already know this: Google doesn't read images, even with text wrapped around it. It read the text (alt and title tags) associated with the images. If you code with that in mind, you don't need to do any CSS "effizy".
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by Nobody: 3:30am On Mar 28, 2011
yawatide is 200% correct here (still i wonder why these guys. . .)

- buenos dias y hasta la vista a todos
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by bouzymill1: 11:50am On Mar 28, 2011
yawa-ti-de:

I am afraid we can't move on, just because you say so. Sorry.
Well, There's nothing about "moving on" that we need to be egotistic about. It's a natural course that would happen. We would have to do that eventually either It is said or not.

yawa-ti-de:

I don't carry around my laptop everywhere I go. Also, not all clients you meet have access to a computer at the time you meet with them. In order to give those who fall into either category a "taste", I always have with me a binder showing the home page of every site I have done, in addition to a business card and a postcard. The latter 2 have information regarding how to access what I have done online, including functionality and design. I hope that explains it for you.

Anyways, at the end of the day, it's what works for you. so, there's nothing much to say.

yawa-ti-de:

A little advanced? I am trembling as we speak. My nit wit brain will probably not be able to digest then, I guess. Interestingly, I have been on the bandwagon of progressive enhancement and graceful degradation for quite a few years now.

Am sorry if my "little advance" insulted your sensibilities, I just made that in reference to the book not reference to whom am speaking with. I must tell you at this point that I only engage in arguments that I will learn from. . . and I don't argue to display my ego level. Instead of doing that, there are tons of positive things I can use my time with. It's good you've got Progressive Enhancement locked down. I like designers who know what exactly there job is.

yawa-ti-de:

Oh, by the way, referring to http://www.agcchicago.org/netpositive/, I scrolled down to "our reason", copied the first line, pasted it in google and as expected, the first result was that site. When I clicked, however, it stuck on the home/first page, without taking me to the section for "our reason". In other words, I would then have to spend some time, no matter how small, trying to figure out that section was. Again, more reason to read that book I recommended. It is not about me, or what I like or don't like. Obviously, every site, no matter how bad, has its place and audience but again, that doesn't make it right for all occasions.

You're right. No doubt. The "however point' I am making in this context is compromising the one page technique for SEO is not really important, in my opinion. There are other tons of ways to achieve SEO without comprising the technique. For instance, the 'pages' are wrapped in divs on that one page and so, there's a way to return to the results pointing to the actual url of the div you searched for. for example, searching for "whatever contact" might return a search result with url "www.whatever.com/index.html#contact" . My point is you can achieve an effective SEO without neccesarily breaking them to pages and the fact that it can't work all the time; we are talking about a site here and i think it's just suitable for it. There's no much to say on the webiste.

yawa-ti-de:

You agree then you disagree then you agree again. Then to top it all off, you just had to throw in "jerk". Okay o. Again, my simpleton mind at work. No worries. By the way, and you probably already know this: Google doesn't read images, even with text wrapped around it. It read the text (alt and title tags) associated with the images. If you code with that in mind, you don't need to do any CSS "effizy".

I do that because it's a polite argument. We're not bunch of kids that starts fight in the next second. You're making a point and I might agree in some part and think otherwise with some parts. That's how constructive argument works (I think) and I'm not assuming you've got "simpleton mind". IT's not about who's BETTER or sort of things like that. I'm just making my point here, that's all.

I never said it reads images. I said it would "indirectly" read it "if wrapped around, for instance "h1m h2 or whatever". I'm saying, to enhance your optimization, there are situation's where you might not be able to add "ALT or Title" (ask me why?) : I'm talking about "background images" that would be declared inside your stylesheet and not inline images. How do you make it search engine friendly? it's by writing something into its DIV in the markup. and applying the css effizy (dont know why u called it that) into the stylesheet. I'm talking about "text-indent:-9999". with that google reads that text and brings out the page where that background is in results and more effectively, it helps more in "Google or Whatever Image Search"
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by bouzymill1: 11:51am On Mar 28, 2011
*dhtml:

yawatide is 200% correct here (still i wonder why these guys. . .)

- buenos dias y hasta la vista a todos

yeah! why these guy do what? why the ellipsis? finish your line bro.
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by Jangoreal: 11:59am On Mar 28, 2011
@bouzymill1, pls don't mind this guys.

secret revealed naija wikileaks,, ye-wa-ti-de is dunpuzo with a different ID.

@ye-wa-ti-de don't deny your job bc there are not fine. remember "u are the best website reviewer".

Good critize, bad examplist.

Onuku, Mumu, (oleku remix Bro).

Ideal man, I will reply u wen next i have spare time.
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by yawatide(f): 1:05pm On Mar 28, 2011
@ Jangoreal and those following his diatribe: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-627138.32.html#msg8002099

@bouzymill1
Anyways, at the end of the day, it's what works for you. so, there's nothing much to say.
My point exactly. Thanks for noting that

Am sorry if my "little advance" insulted your sensibilities, I just made that in reference to the book not reference to whom am speaking with. I must tell you at this point that I only engage in arguments that I will learn from. . . and I don't argue to display my ego level. Instead of doing that, there are tons of positive things I can use my time with. It's good you've got Progressive Enhancement locked down. I like designers who know what exactly there job is.

I am rarely offended, and especially not offended by people I have never and probably will never meet. I was just surprised at the subtle ad hominem attacks. They were uncalled for. Finally, we are having a conversation and a little battle of ideas. At least you are better than Jango"Real". Thanks for the compliments by the way. I have earned them over the years.

You're right. No doubt. The "however point' I am making in this context is compromising the one page technique for SEO is not really important, in my opinion. There are other tons of ways to achieve SEO without comprising the technique. For instance, the 'pages' are wrapped in divs on that one page and so, there's a way to return to the results pointing to the actual url of the div you searched for. for example, searching for "whatever contact" might return a search result with url "www.whatever.com/index.html#contact" . My point is you can achieve an effective SEO without neccesarily breaking them to pages and the fact that it can't work all the time; we are talking about a site here and i think it's just suitable for it. There's no much to say on the webiste.

Proof by contradiction: Do a google search on your own and see if you will get a returned result for www.whatever.com/index.html#contact with respect to that site. I can see a result set for name/value pairs but not for intra links. If you find it, I will be the first to apologize and acknowledge my mistake. Again based on my example from my last post, I don't see how effective SEO is achieved. Again, if you don't come up on at least the first page of google, your SEO campaign is a failure in my books.

I do that because it's a polite argument. We're not bunch of kids that starts fight in the next second. You're making a point and I might agree in some part and think otherwise with some parts. That's how constructive argument works (I think) and I'm not assuming you've got "simpleton mind". IT's not about who's BETTER or sort of things like that. I'm just making my point here, that's all.
Point of correction: I addressed myself, albeit satirically, as a simpleton, not you. The lower I make myself, the harder I work.

Since as you say, we aren't kids, why did you throw in the "jerk" part? Isn't that childish?

I never said it reads images. I said it would "indirectly" read it "if wrapped around, for instance "h1m h2 or whatever". I'm saying, to enhance your optimization, there are situation's where you might not be able to add "ALT or Title" (ask me why?) : I'm talking about "background images" that would be declared inside your stylesheet and not inline images. How do you make it search engine friendly? it's by writing something into its DIV in the markup. and applying the css effizy (dont know why u called it that) into the stylesheet. I'm talking about "text-indent:-9999". with that google reads that text and brings out the page where that background is in results and more effectively, it helps more in "Google or Whatever Image Search"

Lesson of the day here: Always make yourself clear from the get go, so as to prevent others assuming what you are saying and drawing wrong conclusions. Now that you have clarified, I agree with the first part of the sentence.

Now, tell me and others please, "where you might not be able to add "ALT or Title" ". I am all ears. Again, we are here to learn.

Finally, I think I have a better approach to your SEO issue above that is better than text-indent: All tags now support the TITLE attribute. Learn how to use it wink
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by Nobody: 5:24pm On Mar 28, 2011
bouzymill1:

yeah! why these guy do what? why the ellipsis? finish your line bro.
. . .son tan aburridas

- hasta la vista
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by Jangoreal: 5:50pm On Mar 28, 2011
@ye-wa-ti-de, My guy pls stop denying your jobs.

They are your jobs. Remember what u started, when u came onboard my post and started saying non sense bro.

Accept your jobs and review it first.
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by yawatide(f): 6:16pm On Mar 28, 2011
All hope is lost. But I will keep on emphasizing my points:


This fits the S.I.N. syndrome I posted on just recently: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-633325.0.html

for the umpteenth time, that site is not mine: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-629800.0.html#msg7994927
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by Jangoreal: 6:26pm On Mar 28, 2011
Am ready for you on this forum,

He that says the mother will not sleep, must be awake himself.


am ready for u onuku
Re: Website Review - A Website By Charles Dairo by yawatide(f): 7:02pm On Mar 28, 2011

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