Your response is futile
You point to an Isreali jew stoning a dog and label it example of stoning?  
Jews don't believe in Christ nor the new testament, so . . .

I bet you'd ploughed hundred of pages with no credible article.

Your second reply about devoutness just highlights the inherent problem in Islam.
I'd choose a devout christian all day
However the same can't be said of a devout muslim ?


Clearly a billion christians the world over see those referred scriptures least once in their lifetime
Say even a tiny percentage are devout
How many chose to implement it, .  

It is big surprise that people who should be ashamed of this religion that feeds on blood are now defending it.Let them be bold to say that Islam, as  practised in the North  cannot thrive without voilence whether it is boko haram or maitasine etc.I can only say that Islam really means peace in the Western part of Nigeria but it means violence and terror in the North and only their ALLAH knows which KORAN is being used in the North.We have to live with this violence as killings will never stop in the north because it is their character to kill in the name of religion.

donspony:

Your response is futile
You point to an Isreali jew stoning a dog and label it example of stoning?  
Jews don't believe in Christ nor the new testament, so . . .

I bet you'd ploughed hundred of pages with no credible article.

Your second reply about devoutness just highlights the inherent problem in Islam.
Should I now be scared of a devout muslim ?


Clearly a billion christians the world over see those referred scriptures least once in their lifetime
Say even a tiny percentage are devout
How many chose to implement it, .  

i did not invent anything.you can deny all you want.but the book christians also regard as "holy" says the following and does not even spare animals from stonning:

For animals (like an ox that gores a human)
If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned. Exodus 21:28

akpanbaba:

It is big surprise that people who should be ashamed of this religion that feeds on blood are now defending it.Let them be bold to say that Islam, as practised in the North cannot thrive without voilence whether it is boko haram or maitasine etc.I can only say that Islam really means peace in the Western part of Nigeria but it means violence and terror in the North and only their ALLAH knows which KORAN is being used in the North.We have to live with this violence as killings will never stop in the north because it is their character to kill in the name of religion.

blame the violent and ignorant people in the north and not islam or its holy book.

Where did i deny stoning it's not in the bible.
Simply stated show me a practicing christian doing such?
You couldn't. .  

Case closed.

LagosShia:

blame the violent and ignorant people in the north and not islam or its holy book.

Now you're getting it. . .
Misinterpretation of your holy book

Mine is simple n practical. Islam as currently practice is associated with violent. If u r arguing with me answer this questions:
1) which religion is al qaeda n boko haram from?
2) whose course are they fighting?
I raise my case

And this is how this topic relates to us as Nigierians:

http://blueprintng.com/index/2011/06/boko-haram-we-have-lined-up-over-100-militants-for-suicide-bombings/



Boko Haram: We have lined up over 100 militants for suicide bombings
June 26th, 2011 | 1 Comment

The very first insight into the inner workings of Nigeria’s militant network


Mohammed Manga, smiling, bids goodbye to his colleagues as he sits in the car he would drive to Abuja for the suicide attack. He holds an AK-47 rifle between his thighs

Until recently, attacks by the Islamist group, Jama’atu Ahl-Sunnati Lil Da’awati wal Jihad, popularly known as the Boko Haram, against the Nigerian state were confined to Borno State only, especially in the capital city of Maiduguri. But on June 16, 2011, the militant sect showed that it was capable of hitting anywhere in the country when it detonated a bomb in Abuja. BLUEPRINT was able to obtain incredible details of how the group carried out the attack, using a suicide bomber called Mohammed Manga. Abu Zaid, the spokesman of the group, who made the informatioon and photographs available, spoke to our correspondent AHMAD SALKIDA on telephone in Maiduguri. In the interview, which was conducted in the Hausa language, Abu Zaid reveals that indeed the Boko Haram has foreign contacts and has other militants who are ready to carry out further suicide bombings in the country. He also dispels some of the key information issued by the police authorities, such as the type of car used in the Nigeria Police Force headquarters bombing, as well as a bit of the inner workings of the militant group.



How, when and where was your operation against the Nigeria Police Force headquarters conceived and executed?

Praise is to Allah. The planning of this attack is not different from the way and manner we plan other attacks around the country and in Maiduguri in particular. Although the Force headquarters was among the list of our targets, we made it a priority and acted quickly because of the empty threats of the Inspector-General of Police that he would eradicate us within two weeks.

Did you really set out for a suicide attack or was it a pre-timed explosive that went off inadvertently as is being speculated?

Of course, we planned it as a suicide attack right from the onset. The attacker left his will to his family and a message to Nigerians. We were together and he bid everyone farewell. He was calm and looked peaceful even when he had decided to give his life away; many brothers envied him and wished it was their turn to act. The bomber said he had sacrificed his life for Allah’s sake and urged other believers to do likewise. So far, we have screened nearly 100 persons for suicide attacks for this year alone in Nigeria, while more than this number are getting ready for next year.



Who was the attacker?

His name is Mohammed Manga, (but) he is popularly known as Alhaji Manga. He was from Adamawa State but he was born and brought up in Maiduguri. He was a businessman; in fact, a successful businessman, because he left over four million (naira) in his will for his two daughters and three sons.






Up in smoke: The Nigeria Police Force headquarters soon after the bomb attack


Would you describe Manga’s operation as a success?

Of course, it was a successful operation; the police and the world know that. Initially, people thought that we only attacked places where common people are, but this time around, we attacked a high profile target. That is why you are hearing a lot of noise because the attack affected those at the very top. Henceforth, we will begin to concentrate on high profile targets.



How many bombs were in that car and what kind of car was it?

(Laughs). I was surprised when the police said the car was a Mercedes ‘V-Boot’, it was never a Mercedes. The car used for the attack was an ash-coloured Honda 86. We are surprised as to the why the police are confused anytime we strike. The bomb we used was a ready-made bomb, which we acquired from abroad. And we are going to use several of them in future attacks.



What is likely to be your next target?

In a war situation, everything is done with planning and tact. We have a list of our targets; we may only shift to a certain place if people make the kind of statements the I.G. made about our group during his visit to Maiduguri. We are urging Nigerians not to under-estimate us. We are capable of doing more than what we did at the police headquarters in sha Allah.



Are you aware that innocent people died in the attack?

Many journalists always ask this question. As we have always said, for example, whoever went to the police headquarters did not heed our advice to stay away from government institutions and security agents. It is necessary for people to take our warnings seriously, but if they don’t that will not deter us from this Jihad because before this illegal government was established many lives were lost and it is possible that before you can overthrow it lives will also be lost.

Interestingly, Manga, despite the fact that he was wealthy and he was prominent amongst us, he decided to give his life to this cause. And if we give our lives for such operations we don’t have regrets for those that go to such places against our advice and die. But sincerely, we are not happy with the loss of innocent lives.





Mohammed Manga, dressed in military fatigues as a mujahideen, was said to be an active member of the military wing of the Boko Haram

There is a rumour that you will attack schools, mosques, markets and even hospitals. Is it true?

We are not mad men, we are not fighting the general public but rather we are in a state of war with government. Therefore, our targets are government institutions and government officials, especially the security agents and politicians. Sadly, our group has been associated with many attacks and crimes, like sometimes back in Kano and even some robbery incidents, some of which we were not aware of. We can only take what is lawful to us in Islam.



The Police Force has recently charged some of its officers to court over the extra-judicial killings of the late Mohammed Yusuf and others…

It is a lie! We have investigated the issue and found out it was a practical joke. Many journalists have confirmed that also. But let us assume that it is true, why are they bringing the issue now that our attack affects them directly? So, that means they are not doing it for the sake of justice and fairness. But even if the police men are prosecuted it will not bring back the dead or make us bring down our flag.



Do you have any links to Al-Qaeda or militant groups in Sudan and Somalia?

We started our teachings over eight years ago, and through the books we published and our numerous tapes and teachings, our doctrine is clear: we are the true followers of the Prophet, known as Kitabul Sunna. Our objective is to destroy Kufr (unbelief) and injustice in our land. Whoever has this as his objective anywhere in the world is with us and whatever happens to him affects us and what happens to us should affect them as well. That is our only link to them.


You have called for the implementation of Sharia in twelve states. Which are the states and what if Nigeria breaks up as a result?

We never made any of these statements. The person who said this was one Usman Al-Zawahiri and we don’t know him. He is not with us. In fact, our investigation revealed that he is an SSS (State Security Service operative) and was brought in by them to discredit us and give an impression that we are divided. So far, I am the only spokesman appointed by our Amir, Malam Abubakar Shekau; that is why I gave you this video and pictures of the suicide bomber, which clearly shows that I am the authentic spokesman for the group, with the name Abu Zaid. We urge the media to desist from talking to him and others, if not we will see them as part of the conspiracy to rubbish us. But what we are saying and demanding is that we want Sharia in the whole of Nigeria, not only in one part or region.



Why did you choose to give me the video last weekend and refuse to give other journalists even when we had finished last week’s production?

You were the first journalist who repeatedly wrote about us when we were not known to the world; you were the first journalist who reported when our brothers were shot at on their way to a funeral procession by members of a security outfit set up by the Borno State government, known as ‘Operation Flush.’ We see you as an objective writer who is never afraid to say the truth; that is why our leader approved the idea to give you the final evidence that we were solely behind the suicide attack at the police headquarters.



The leader of the Movement for the Actualisation of the Sovereign State of Biafra (MASSOB), Mr. Ralph Uwazurike, is reported to be considering adopting your method of armed struggle. Is he in contact with you?

What we are doing is purely religious. We don’t need money, we do not entertain any ethnic or regional sentiments. In our group we have Yoruba, Igbo, Nupe, Igala, Kanuri, etc. Maybe he likes what we are doing and wants to copy us to fight what even Christians see as an unjust and irresponsible government. If he kills our enemy, that is a welcome development to us.



The Federal Government wants to negotiate with you, using the carrot and stick approach. Would you negotiate? Is it the stick or the carrot – or both?

How can you say there will be dialogue, yet our members are being arrested and are currently being tortured in different police and military detention centres in Lagos, Abuja and elsewhere? At a time the government is talking about dialogue, they are buying and dispatching amoured tanks and getting ready to fight us. This government is trying to deceive Nigerians and create an impression that it is us that do not want peace. But they cannot deceive us.



There is a rumour going round that some people, in the name of your group, are to talking to some political leaders in Maiduguri to facilitate dialogue. Do you know them?

We don’t have any plans to talk to government on their own terms, and those people that claim to be talking on our behalf should at least call for a ceasefire to assert their authority while the so-called dialogue is on. You cannot be dialoguing while people are being killed. If they are with us we will suspend any attacks until the talks fails to yield any positive results.

We are not people that deceive others and we are not interested in money like the Niger Deltans. Even if it is Malam Shekau that decides to undermine this Jihad we shall not hesitate to kill him, let alone any other persons that we, as a group, did not authorise.



Are there factions in your group? Are Malam Shekau and Sheikh Mohammad Nur working together?

There is no faction within our group. We have never had problems with Nur; he is obedient to our leader, in the person of Malam Abubakar Shekau, and we have never heard of any problem. In fact, he is very active in this cause and we are hearing this information from you for the first time.



[b]Indonesia has the largest population of Muslims in the world, yet it is a secular state. Why is your group refusing to live under a secular state like Nigeria now, while during the life time of Mohammed Yusuf there was no objection to this rule?

Yes, it is so, but the Muslims there are not doing da’wah (preaching). Even the Prophet (Muhammad) stayed in Mecca when it was not an Islamic state, but what he was constantly doing was da’wah to the people that they should stop unbelief. And when they prevented him from practising his religious duties, he left and came back to fight them. We can subsist under such government like we did during the time of the late Mohammed Yusuf and practice our religion the way we want, but what happened was that we were prevented from practising our religion; we came under constant attacks and harassments, our mosque was destroyed and many were deprived of their livelihood and killed in cold blood. Then, we raised our flag for Jihad, and we will never bring it down. We shall continue to fight until we die.


What message do you have for the people of Nigeria?

Our message to Nigerians is that what we are doing is not politics, it is purely religious. We take our instructions from the Qur’an that urges us to fight oppression, injustice and corrupt leaders like the ones in Nigeria. We are, however, calling on the general public to cooperate with us and join this revolution to bring about change in our lives. If you cannot contribute physically, you should keep your mouth shut. And kindly desist from any act either by offering any advice or information about us to our enemies. If anyone is engaged in any activity against us, he should not blame us but he or she should blame himself.

[/b]

When George Bush was going to war in Iraq, Millions od Xtians worldwide and even in America went on the streets to protest against this.

Many Xtian countries and Million of xtians campaign against Israel on a daily basis.

When are we going to see the "Moderate Moslems" protest against the "Few" radicals and fundamentalists?

divinereal:

Quran (2:216)

YUSUFALI: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.
PICKTHAL: Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.
SHAKIR: Fighting is enjoined on you, and it is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.

002.217
YUSUFALI: They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members." Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you Turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein.


if you had any commonsense there is what they call contextual meaning, which before you interprete the Qur'an you must refer to, verse 2:217, clearly explains why fightng is required when people want to convert you from your faith. moreover, reading passages in Isolation is not sensible, as in the Qur'an certain verses are expantiated upon by other verses. Fighting is required when you are being attacked and oppressed by your opponents.

Sorry if you don't believe in the Islamic doctrine you are an unbeliever and the Koran states:

divinereal:

003.151
YUSUFALI: Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!
PICKTHAL: We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

Again being a sick humanist, you left out the previous verses to achieve you foolish objective,

003.149
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! If ye obey the Unbelievers, they will drive you back on your heels, and ye will turn back (from Faith) to your own loss.

it is clear from here that, the unbelievers were bent of destroying muslims, by hindering them to their religion.

divinereal:

004.095
YUSUFALI: Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-
PICKTHAL: Those of the believers who sit still, other than those who have a (disabling) hurt, are not on an equality with those who strive in the way of Allah with their wealth and lives. Allah hath conferred on those who strive with their wealth and lives a rank above the sedentary. Unto each Allah hath promised good, but He hath bestowed on those who strive a great reward above the sedentary;
SHAKIR: The holders back from among the believers, not having any injury, and those who strive hard in Allah's way with their property and their persons are not equal; Allah has made the strivers with their property and their persons to excel the holders back a (high) degree, and to each (class) Allah has promised good; and Allah shall grant to the strivers above the holders back a mighty reward:

similar to the previous, what does fighting in the cause of ALLAH entails? you simply showed that you are barely different from the house pissing cretin, paganja, who behaves irrationally, as i have indiated that

divinereal:

004.104
YUSUFALI: And slacken not in following up the enemy: If ye are suffering hardships, they are suffering similar hardships; but ye have Hope from Allah, while they have none. And Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom.
PICKTHAL: Relent not in pursuit of the enemy. If ye are suffering, lo! they suffer even as ye suffer and ye hope from Allah that for which they cannot hope. Allah is ever Knower, Wise.
SHAKIR: And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain, and you hope from Allah what they do not hope; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.

hehe,  , what is wrong with this verse? you suffer from dislocated thinking, tis verse clearly showed there was a state of war, if you are too daft to understand that, then we can not help you. the verse was revealed during the siege at medina, when the pagans surrounded the muslims, and prevented food from entering medina, stop being hell bound and criticise reasonably.

divinereal:

008.012
YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
PICKTHAL: When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
SHAKIR: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

reading the nest verse, we undrstand it is because they fougth against the prophet and ALLAH,
008.013
YUSUFALI: This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment.

divinereal link=topic=693608.msg8604412#msg8604412 date=1309229828:

008.038
YUSUFALI: Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them).
PICKTHAL: Tell those who disbelieve that if they cease (from persecution of believers) that which is past will be forgiven them; but if they return (thereto) then the example of the men of old hath already gone (before them, for a warning).
SHAKIR: Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past shall be forgiven to them; and if they return, then what happened to the ancients has already passed.

008.039
YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
PICKTHAL: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.
SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

Oh, you are a lover of oppression and a hater of justice? you are PATHETIC! indeed. 39 expantiate on 38, oh! ignorant one.

divinereal:

008.040
YUSUFALI: If they refuse, be sure that Allah is your Protector - the best to protect and the best to help.
PICKTHAL: And if they turn away, then know that Allah is your Befriender - a Transcendent Patron, a Transcendent Helper!
SHAKIR: And if they turn back, then know that Allah is your Patron; most excellent is the Patron and most excellent the Helper.

ALLAH is my protector, and the best source of help. to bad you have none to call upon in your time of need, oh, i forgot, you will call dawrkin

divinereal:

War Booty??

[b]008.041
YUSUFALI: And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer,- if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing,- the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things.
PICKTHAL: And know that whatever ye take as spoils of war, lo! a fifth thereof is for Allah, and for the messenger and for the kinsman (who hath need) and orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, if ye believe in Allah and that which We revealed unto Our slave on the Day of Discrimination, the day when the two armies met. And Allah is Able to do all things.
SHAKIR: And know that whatever thing you gain, a fifth of it is for Allah and for the Messenger and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, if you believe in Allah and in that which We revealed to Our servant, on the day of distinction, the day on which the two parties met; and Allah has power over all things. [/b]

So? the verse speaks of giving the spoils to the orphans,needy, wayfarer? or is that violence?

divinereal:

009.029
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

sine i have already establish that fighting is against those who wage war onmusims, or prevent them from their religion, it simply  have put to shame your false points, the Jiyzah, was a sort of protection money the Jews/Christians payed to the muslim, when the refused paying such in was then an indication of rebellion against the state, jus as muslims who refused to pay up their zakat, the then caliph waged war against them. until you -divineunreal- is willing to educate yourself appropriately and be honest with your lying self, you will continue to drift in the abbess of immorality and corruption.

divinereal:

009.030
YUSUFALI: The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
PICKTHAL: And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!
SHAKIR: And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

where is the violence? you keep showing why you do not have the minimum requirement to engage in an intellectual discourse.

divinereal:

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

War is systematized violence, to instill terror against enemies so as to deter 
future attack, but i guess we are asking to much for you to be objective.

divinereal:

Book 001, Number 0033:
It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.

Sahih Bukhari ends at number 6.

LagosShia:

i'm done with you sir.

So you had no more argument that is why you decided to lie that I insulted your religion?

You had no more argument that is why you pretended you wanted to "call it a day"?

You are trying to bullshyt me with strawman?

You wan bullshyt Sagamite?

Really?  

O gbe ofor se nu? You put juju for mouth?

Na me you wan bullshyt?

Next time if your argument is dismissed, salute!

You are a sinner!

@sagamite; « #130 on: Today at 02:58:36 PM »
[Quote]LagosShia, what is the point of all this quotes?

Xtians are not the ones killing people as a religious duty, are they?

Xtians are not the ones with religious leaders preaching killing people as a religious duty, are they?[/Quote]the killings that go on daily around the world committed by Christians are numerous. if you claim that their religion is not the reason they kill, then their religion is ineffective to stop them. thats just as good as the reason they kill. i am not praising my values, now; just as an example, only less than 24 hours ago did i talk a spanish christian from smoking a chinese christian. his religion had no values, until Allah brought me a muslim in NYC to talk sense into his head in LA. further, pat robertson preached for the killing of ugo chavez and ahmadinnejja. do you know how many conservative christians are eager to carry the order of pat?




@donspony: [Quote]You are a cretin if you give your money to a pastor with a private jet!
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Re: Why Is It That Islamic Religion Is Link With Violence And Terror.
« #131 on: Today at 03:00:52 PM »

Quote from: donspony on Today at 02:47:47 PM
^^
So how many christians actually follow this in the real sense.
Least we are able to differentiate between old and new testament.[/Quote]thank God that you confess that the Christians are hypocrites who refuse to obey their bibles; OT and NT, while Jesus obeyed the OT that these hypocrites shun. Or is the OT not part of the christian bibles, regardless of the many versions and editions, there is no complete christian bible that has no OT in it. Are these people thinking before they write nonsense about Islam or Allah has blocked their senses, so that we can see how naive they are? I take the later view so that the former view is a byproduct of it.




@mbulela « #132 on: Today at 03:05:34 PM »
[Quote]I am unable to go through all the posts.
However, i have a related question that i have found unanswered in the light of this issue being discussed.

Why are moderate muslims quiet in the face of the perceived disgrace that the extremists and violent lot are bringing to their faith?
Why have moderate muslims never taken to the streets to protest against Alqaeda and boko haram?
why are the moderates whose lives reflect the peace that the Holy Prophet (PBUH) preaches making no attempts to ostracize these terrorists?
Their silence is deafening and worrying for people like myself who can count several fine muslims as friends.[/Quote]i see that your view on Islam is local. or national instead of being global. you have peaceful muslims as friends, isn't that a thing to assure you of the conscience of islam? and you never asked your friends why they are so different from AlQaidah or Boko Haram, yet you are asking us, strangers? this is a misplaced methodology of getting to the truth. around the world, long time before 1970's when PLO began their real fights against their oppressors, the zionists, Islam has been commanding Muslims to be peaceful and only fight oppressions. Look in the pages of the Quran. no war or conflict started by Muslims.




@golamike « #134 on: Today at 03:09:11 PM »
[Quote]@lagosshia
Malam lagosshia[b] i suppose u probably know more than the northern muslims[/b], very impressive. Because some Christian leaders' are against the idea of islamic bank then it amounts to an act of terror on muslims in Nigeria? This is simply incoherent! So if u have a different opinion about a matter, that makes u a terrorist. I now understand why muslims, whether educated or not, are the same (bunch of militants), always looking for d slightest opportunity to unleash mayhem on d receiving Christians.[/Quote]Islam is not the property of northern nigerians and Alhamdulillah, sadly to proof this point, you have Boko Haram from among them. Many Arab muslims are ignorant of this noble religion so it will not be a thing of surprise to see Northern Nigerian muslims, many who are ignorant, too. Yet you will find from Igbo, Calabar and others who are students of high quality of Islam. islam is an individual thing, the reason we have even arab christians. could you definite Terrorism and apply it to any first grade world nations, you find terrorists among them. and t is only in christianity we have "Christian soldiers" and calling people [in the Bibles], Infidels. There is no muslim army because we lack fortitude and we are concern about what others think, while the christians call themselves Christian soldiers all that long.




[Quote]Who forced those muslim students to enroll in a Christian University? Every religious institution of learning, whether Christian or muslim, has its norms and u have a choice to either accept their rules and regulations or leave for good. How is that a problem? Second display of folly!
Lastly Nigeria is not an Islamic country so d issue of Islamic bank died even before conception. I wonder how some people always look for reasons to impose their selfish interests on others . They wanted (or still want Sharia) and now islamic  bank in a country with many religions. Isn't this funny?[Quote]please apply this same quality to possible islamic banking. or do the muslims have to wait until christians established a christian bank in Nigeria before they are able to establish Islamic bank, while Islam is supposed to lead instead of following? What Islam had trail blazed for generations; video or separate gender education, the world is just catching up to it now by the concept of distance learning. why can't the world and nigerians calm down and let Islam show them the way?[/quote][/quote]

All i can say is this ISLAM DOESN'T SUPPORT TERRORISM. #chikena!

[Quote]« #168 on: Today at 05:09:50 PM »

When George Bush was going to war in Iraq, Millions od Xtians worldwide and even in America went on the streets to protest against this.

Many Xtian countries and Million of xtians campaign against Israel on a daily basis.

When are we going to see the "Moderate Moslems" protest against the "Few" radicals and fundamentalists?[/Quote]Muslims were in the mix of those who protested. Yet George Bush said to every one of the Christian to "K--s off". What is the value of protests that makes no impact? In Texas, during the reign of Bush, somebody said "F--k you" to Cheney, the same thing he had said to Senator Leahy of Vermont, the secret service got the guy down the road.

Muslims protests and have TV shows denouncing any ounce of evil committed and discouraging ignorance that will lead a person to commit any; WWW.TheDEEN SHOW.COM and there are many more that you can learn about Islam. Your Ogbomosho people who are muslims are head and shoulders better in human decency than Benjamin Adekunle from the same Ogbomosho who didn't see a human moving that he would not want to kill.

By the way, i am a yoruba man, so there is no ethnic bashing in my statement.

Christians should be ashamed of themselves, if their argument to support their peaceful religion is directing us to see that they abandoned their holy book. are they christians or are they pretenders, is what i wanna know, since they claim not practice stoning and others, all in their Holy Bibles?

@divinereal: « #167 on: Today at 04:59:26 PM »
{Quote]And this is how this topic relates to us as Nigierians:

http://blueprintng.com/index/2011/06/boko-haram-we-have-lined-up-over-100-militants-for-suicide-bombings/



Boko Haram: We have lined up over 100 militants for suicide bombings
June 26th, 2011 | 1 Comment

The very first insight into the inner workings of Nigeria’s militant network


Mohammed Manga, smiling, bids goodbye to his colleagues as he sits in the car he would drive to Abuja for the suicide attack. He holds an AK-47 rifle between his thighs
[quote][/Quote]I can't read your 'too' long post. However, committing suicide and killing innocent soul are part of what are forbidden. those who do what are forbidden are sinners because they are hypocrites, disbelievers, etc, but they can't be true believers.

Sweetnecta:

@sagamite; « #130 on: Today at 02:58:36 PM »the killings that go on daily around the world committed by Christians are numerous. if you claim that their religion is not the reason they kill, then their religion is ineffective to stop them.

This is utter junk?

No 1, I guess you can not list where Xtains kill in the name of religion, that is why you made the lame claim I will respond to in No 2.

No 2, it is really silly to say because someone's religion does not stop them from commiting atrocity then it is the same as someone that believes his religion instructs him to kill.

Don't be putting forth such useless logic to me. It is insulting!

Sweetnecta:

thats just as good as the reason they kill. i am not praising my values, now; just as an example, only less than 24 hours ago did i talk a spanish christian from smoking a chinese christian. his religion had no values, until Allah brought me a muslim in NYC to talk sense into his head in LA.

You and your NYC muslim friend need to take a road-trip then, to help solve a lot of problems.

In the world we live in today, your energy is best spent on fundamentalist muslims.

Sweetnecta:

further, pat robertson preached for the killing of ugo chavez and ahmadinnejja. do you know how many conservative christians are eager to carry the order of pat?

Amsorry!

Did he say kill in the name of religion or his religion instructs him to kill?

What kind of rubbish is this?

I did not really attend school so I am not going to be involved in rhetorics, all I know is that people set out from home to look for ther daily bread and the get bombed instead , so I think we all have reason to detest whatever belief that inspires the men responsible for this act.

Sweetnecta:

Muslims were in the mix of those who protested. Yet George Bush said to every one of the Christian to "K--s off". What is the value of protests that makes no impact? In Texas, during the reign of Bush, somebody said "F--k you" to Cheney, the same thing he had said to Senator Leahy of Vermont, the secret service got the guy down the road.

Muslims protests and have TV shows denouncing any ounce of evil committed and discouraging ignorance that will lead a person to commit any; WWW.TheDEEN SHOW.COM and there are many more that you can learn about Islam. Your Ogbomosho people who are muslims are head and shoulders better in human decency than Benjamin Adekunle from the same Ogbomosho who didn't see a human moving that he would not want to kill.

By the way, i am a yoruba man, so there is no ethnic bashing in my statement.

What is all this rubbish!

How does these opinionated conjectures prove that Xtians don't protest as LagosShia wanted to conjure ridiculously?

I remember when I asked you the following and you disappeared:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-678977.96.html#msg8426101

Sweetnecta:

Muslims were in the mix of those who protested. Yet George Bush said to every one of the Christian to "K--s off". What is the value of protests that makes no impact? In Texas, during the reign of Bush, somebody said "F--k you" to Cheney, the same thing he had said to Senator Leahy of Vermont, the secret service got the guy down the road.

Muslims protests and have TV shows denouncing any ounce of evil committed and discouraging ignorance that will lead a person to commit any; WWW.TheDEEN SHOW.COM and there are many more that you can learn about Islam.

They protested against Bush and Israel which goes to show that they dont support it.

If you protest against something what does that mean? It doesnt matter if your wish gets done at the end or not, the Fact is that you dont support it and George Bush did not act based on their wishes.

When would moderate Moslems do the same and condemn publicly the "extremeists"

Your Ogbomosho people who are muslims are head and shoulders better in human decency than Benjamin Adekunle from the same Ogbomosho who didn't see a human moving that he would not want to kill.

By the way, i am a yoruba man, so there is no ethnic bashing in my statement.

What did Benjamin Adekunle do that was bad? In case you dont know he is well reverred in the town as a man who avenged the gruesome killing of a prominent Ogbomoso man Ladoke Akintola.

It was in a war situation, if the Ibos dont have scrupples killing our leader on his bed in front of his wife, for not commiting any offence, why should Adekunle have any scrupples about repaying back in 100 folds

Sagamite:

LagosShia, what is the point of all this quotes?

Xtians are not the ones killing people as a religious duty, are they?

Xtians are not the ones with religious leaders preaching killing people as a religious duty, are they?

Are the muslim members of the Sagamite club in Sagamu killing people as a religious duty?
Is that what is being preached to them? Are you sure?
BTW - when was the last time a muslim country invaded a christian one

BetaThings:

Are the muslim members of the Sagamite club in Sagamu killing people as a religious duty?
Is that what is being preached to them? Are you sure?

I want to see more of the Sagamu types of Muslims around the world and they should be the epitome of Muslims, not as the ones looked down on by some muslims in the North as "fake" muslims.

If all muslims in the world are like majority of SW muslims, the world will be a far safer place.

BetaThings:

BTW - when was the last time a muslim country invaded a christian one

No 1, I don't see the point of this question.

No 2, I dare say if some muslim countries are powerful enough, that will be the norm.

No 3, if a country is doing the wrong thing and is a threat, it should not complain when invaded, irrespective of whether it is a muslim country or not. (Palestine being an exception)

@Dayokanu: I guess you remembered that muslims protested against Saddam Hussaine when he invaded Kuwait? I also guess that you remembered that Muslims protested and supported USA, even Iran of all nations when 911 happened? I guess you remembered that there was no reason or the reason for fighting Iraq this time around by baby Bush was false reason? Or my dear brother in humanity, did you not remember?


@Donspony: « #160 on: Today at 04:27:47 PM »
[Quote]Your response is futile
You point to an Isreali jew stoning a dog and label it example of stoning?  Huh
Jews don't believe in Christ nor the new testament, so . . .

I bet you'd ploughed hundred of pages with no credible article.

Your second reply about devoutness just highlights the inherent problem in Islam.
I'd choose a devout christian all day
However the same can't be said of a devout muslim ?[/Quote]Yet, to the first bold, the Christians and Jesus their god and savior lord did not discard the OT. Who is the hypocrites now? And make your choice at your own peril of the second bold. If emperor George Bush is a sample of the devout christians, you will suffer preemptive strike, and all rules of war will go out of the window until you are done with.



[Quote]Clearly a billion christians the world over see those referred scriptures least once in their lifetime
Say even a tiny percentage are devout
How many chose to implement it, .   Undecided[/Quote]this shows that the christians are devotees or hypocrites? Please tell us what you call those who will not implement the instructions of their God?



@akpanbaba; « #161 on: Today at 04:31:27 PM »
[Quote]It is big surprise that people who should be ashamed of this religion that feeds on blood are now defending it.Let them be bold to say that Islam, as  practised in the North  cannot thrive without voilence whether it is boko haram or maitasine etc.I can only say that Islam really means peace in the Western part of Nigeria but it means violence and terror in the North and only their ALLAH knows which KORAN is being used in the North.We have to live with this violence as killings will never stop in the north because it is their character to kill in the name of religion.[/Quote]Hello. North is not the home of islam; not every northerner is muslim and not every muslim is northerner. If i say what you didn't say, would that automatically make you blame worthy of what i said  you said? this is the reason we muslims are telling you to educate yourselves about islam before you heap what you heap on her because of the evil of individuals. why don't you judge these individuals by what islam says, rather than judging islam by what they do?

It is same as Christianity linked with colonization slavery racism and robbing poor countries from their wealth and natural resources

LagosShia:

since you have brought up a religious topic and you're trying to preach,please answer the following if you can:

1.) the God that you believe "inspired" the "old testament" is He not the same God that you believe also "inspired" the "New Testament"?did He change His mind?

2.) can you show me one verse in the bible where the word "old testament" appears?can you also show me in the bible where the word "bible" appears?can you tell us why these two words are not found int the bible?!!!

3.) christians pray,fast,do not eat blood (and many more laws as commanded in the "old testament".can you tell us how you determine which law to follow from the "old testament" and which to "leave behind"?according to Jesus:

[B]MATHEW 5:[/B]

The Fulfillment of the Law
    17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

you can also check this:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-651674.0.html

what does any of this have to do with what i said?  don't worry, though-i'll appease you.  afterwards, answer sagamite's questions:

1. in a nutshell, the new testament talks of the birth, life, and death of Jesus Christ.  it also talks about the building of the churches in various cities and some of their trials and tribulations.  since i believe Jesus Christ to be the son of God, then yes, he did inspire that testament.

2. why would those words be in the bible?  what a stupid question.  what are you trying to prove here?

3.  this is all you need to know:

"When asked what the "greatest commandment" is, Jesus is portrayed by the Gospels of Mark[12:28–34] and Matthew[22:34-40] as stating that the first two commandments, and the greatest, are
"Love your God": One should love God with one's entire heart, soul, mind, and strength
"Love your neighbour": One should love one's neighbour as one would love oneself"

oya, over to you.  be sure to answer sagamite's questions, okay?

Since somebody brings this up, I will have to present a bitter truth. The title "Why Is It That Islamic Religion Is Link With Violence And Terror" is very wrong in its entirety. The Poster creates an impression as if we had more than one religion. Right from the Prophet Adam down to the seal of them all, Prophet Muhammed (peace be unto him); they all practiced Islam.

The point I am making here is that no any other religion except the Islam, others are just mere ideologies based on human thoughts e.g.   Christianity is from Paul

 Clifford orggy, the man's flesh eater was happened to be a Christian. Could we now, based on this, put a question across why the Christians are man's flesh eaters.

 I always said it that in as much as people failed to separate evils, no matter how inconsequential, from Islam we can never agree on this forum. Do you think somebody like me would sit down and allow you to ignorantly deface the religion of Allah base on falsehood? NO, NO and NO.

ziccoit:

Since somebody brings this up, I will have to present a bitter truth. The title "Why Is It That Islamic Religion Is Link With Violence And Terror" is very wrong in its entirety. The Poster creates an impression as if we had more than one religion. Right from the Prophet Adam down to the seal of them all, Prophet Muhammed (peace be unto him); they all practiced Islam.

The point I am making here is that no any other religion except the Islam, others are just mere ideologies based on human thoughts e.g.   Christianity is from Paul

 Clifford orggy, the man's flesh eater was happened to be a Christian. Could we now, based on this, put a question across why the Christians are man's flesh eaters.

 I always said it that in as much as people failed to separate evils, no matter how inconsequential, from Islam we can never agree on this forum. Do you think somebody like me would sit down and allow you to ignorantly deface the religion of Allah base on falsehood? NO, NO and NO.  

Did Clifford eat human flesh because he believed it was his religious duty?

More Violence and Cruelty from the Bible for Some Fresh Air!



John 2:15
[Jesus] made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.

Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

Luke 22:36,38
[Jesus] said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one, " The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords."  "That is enough," he replied.

1 Samuel 27:8-9:
"And David and his men went up, and invaded the Geshurites, and the Gezrites, and the Amalekites ,  And David smote the land, and left neither man nor woman alive, and took away the sheep, and the oxen, and the asses, and the camels, and the apparel. And David saved neither man nor woman alive"

Exodus 12:29-30:
"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead."

2 Kings 2:23-24
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.

Talk about the taliban,al qaeda, etc.

This is so fcking shocking!

Some people are struggling with logical thinking.

Islam is the only religion in the world, in the fcking world, where believers continuously and rampantly refer to their scriptures as the source of instructions to kill others. THAT IS THE FCKING PROBLEM!!! No other religion has that problem. Yet it is Islam that claims religion of peace.

We are not talking about one muslim, we are not talking about two, we are not talking about 10, not 100, 1000, we talking about MIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLIONS of muslims that have such beliefs or support it in modern day. And yet it is claimed it is not in the teaching ,and YOU CANNOT SEE IT IS PROBLEM?

We are talking about a fcking guarantee that within the next 2 weeks, there will be a muslim that will kill in the name of his religious beliefs. And another set of killings 2 weeks after that in the name of RELIGIOUS DUTY.

Guaranteed VIOLENCE is bound to be done in the name of the religion! And you can't see the HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE problem if you believe your religion does not preach that?

WHADDAFUCK!

Then you get lame, ridiculous excuses like a "Xtian stole a goat, we don't attribute it to Xtianity", "Xtians went on a crusade 9000 years ago", "the muslims were provoked", "A Xtian man voted for OBJ, is that not equally as bad as suicide bombing of a baby creche".

Rubbish!

MORE…

Joshua 7:20-25:
", Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them unto the valley of Achor. And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones."

Numbers 31:1-18:
", And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses, and they slew all the [adult] males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, And Moses was angry with the officers of the host And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Ba'laam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."


Psalm 137:8-9
8 O Babylon, you will be destroyed.
Happy is the one who pays you back
for what you have done to us.
9 Happy is the one who takes your babies
and smashes them against the rocks!


1 Samuel 6:19:
"And he smote the men of Beth-she'mesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter."

1 Chronicles 13:7-11:
"And they carried the ark of God in a new cart out of the house of Abinadab: and Uzza and Ahio drave the cart, And when they came unto the threshingfloor of Chidon, Uzza put forth his hand to hold the ark; for the oxen stumbled. And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzza, and he smote him, because he put his hand to the ark: and there he died before God. And David was displeased, because the LORD had made a breach upon Uzza: wherefore that place is called Perezuzza to this day."


2 Samuel 24:1-15:
"And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah, Joab and the captains of the host went out, to number the people of Israel, So when they had gone through all the land, they came to Jerusalem at the end of nine months and twenty days. And Joab gave up the sum of the number of the people unto the king: and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sword; and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men, Thus saith the LORD, I offer thee three things; choose thee one of them, that I may do it unto thee, seven years of famine, thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee? or that there be three days' pestilence in thy land, the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel, and there died of the people seventy thousand men."

Sagamite:

This is so fcking shocking!

Some people are struggling with logical thinking.

Islam is the only religion in the world, in the fcking world, where believers continuously and rampantly refer to their scriptures as the source of instructions to kill others. THAT IS THE FCKING PROBLEM!!! No other religion has that problem. Yet it is Islam that claims religion of peace.

We are not talking about one muslim, we are not talking about two, we are not talking about 10, not 100, 1000, we talking about MIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLIONS of muslims that have such beliefs or support it in modern day. And yet it is claimed it is not in the teaching ,and YOU CANNOT SEE IT IS PROBLEM?

We are talking about a fcking guarantee that within the next 2 weeks, there will be a muslim that will kill in the name of his religious beliefs. And another set of killings 2 weeks after that in the name of RELIGIOUS DUTY.

Guaranteed VIOLENCE is bound to be done in the name of the religion! And you can't see the HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE problem if you believe your religion does not preach that?

WHADDAFUCK!

Then you get lame, ridiculous excuses like a "Xtian stole a goat, we don't attribute it to Xtianity", "Xtians went on a crusade 9000 years ago", "the muslims were provoked", "A Xtian man voted for OBJ, is that not equally as bad as suicide bombing of a baby creche".

Rubbish!

can't you see it is biblical? those are the ways of the biblical God.