frosbel:

Allah is not in the Bible , live with it !!


Leave us to hold on to our corrupt bible, stop quoting from it, lol.

First let me correct you:the Quran says the KA’BAH was the first house of worship on earth.it does not say that Makkah was the first and most important city in the world,even though to us muslims Makkah is the holiest place on earth.

Holy Quran 53:19-23
“So have you considered al-Lat
and al-'Uzza? And Manat, the third - the other one? Is the male for you and for Him the female? That, then, is an unjust division.They are not but [mere] names you have named them - you and your forefathers - for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow not except assumption and what [their] souls desire, and there has already come to them from their Lord guidance” .

LagosShia:

brother,it is true according to hadiths that there were not 300 idols housed in the Ka'bah by the pagan arabs,but infact there were 360 idols to be precise.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT MUHAMMAD (sa) DID WITH THEM?
upon triumphin over the Makkan,Muhammad (sa) broke them all.if we Muslims are taught by Muhammad (sa) to worship a so called "moon god" which was allegedly his favorite,then Muhammad (sa) would not have broken all the idols in the Ka'abah.he would have left his alleged favorite one to stand there tall.but up to this day,after Muhammad (sa) cleansed the Ka'bah from idols,not one can be found in the Ka'bah which we Muslims regard as the first House of worship of the God of Abraham.

Judek2:

You did well in bringing your brother to facts, he only knows how to press the keyboard

Judek2:

You did well in bringing your brother to facts, he only knows how to press the keyboard

Why is the crecent Moon Islamic symbol till today?

Judek2:

The original text was -
Have you thought about al-lat and al-uzza? manat,the third goddess.And the other.
These are the high-flying cranes; verily their intercession is accepted with approval.

I dont get you. Are you trying to prove that the satanic verses are not real?
The proof is in your own Hadith.

plappville:


What about the Temple in Jerusalem, where the tablets of the Covenant with the Ten Commandments stood inside the ark? . The outer room stood, was said to be the main implements of the Temple's daily worship.

The story of this temple is very lenghty, i wonder how the kaaba is the first place of worship on earth, or do u mean to say, Idol worshipin because it is written in the bible, In (1 Kings 5.5) That Solomon built a great Temple to house the ark and mercy-seat. God promised that his divine presence would continue to remain with the people of Israel in the Holy of Holies which now became a cubic structure in the centre of the Temple.

This building was discribed as a magnificent edifice and was built with gold, hewn stones and cedars from as far afield as Lebanon. When it was completed Solomon ordered the chief priests to bring the ark of the covenant to the Temple and it was, (read Exodus 25.8-9. to trace the ARK) at his command, placed in the most holy place in the centre of the building (1 Kings 8.6). When the priests came out of this holy place in the middle of the Temple,

"A cloud filled the house of the Lord, so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud; for the glory of the Lord filled the house of the Lord." (1 Kings 8.10-11.)

With great joy Solomon blessed God and praised him that his divine presence was to be manifested henceforth in the Temple he had built. He declared his joy in these words:

"I have built the house for the name of the Lord, the God of Israel. And there I have provided a place for the ark, in which is the covenant of the Lord which he made with our fathers when he brought them out of the land of Egypt". 1 Kings 8. 20-21. to be continued if u are interested,

plappville:

To the bold, mohammed himself enrased this satanic verse from the kuran, so how can the prove be in it? but thank God before he corrected himself, history had noted this verse in the koran, wait i will come up with it. U know not the secret behind a religion u are backing

http://www.al-islam.org/180_questions_vol2/
Question 43

43. What is the Myth of Gharaniq or ‘The Satanic Verses’?

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A story has been narrated in this regard, which has become popular as the story of Gharaniq. According to this story, the Noble Prophet (S.) had been engaged in reciting Suratul Najm in front of the polytheists. When he had recited this verse:



{ أَفَرَأَيْتُمُ اللاَّتَ وَ الْعُزَّى وَ مَنَاةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الأُُخْرى‏ }



“Have you then considered the Lat and the 'Uzza; and Manat, the third, the last?”[207], the Satan caused him (S.) to recite the following two sentences (which were not part of Surah) too:



تِلْكَ الْغَرَانِيقُ الْعُلْيَ وَ إِنَّ شَفاَعَتَهُنَّ لَتُرْجَى.



“They are beautiful, high-ranking birds, and their intercession is anticipated.”[208]



Hearing this, the polytheists were absolutely thrilled and said: (Muhammad), until today, had never spoken nicely of our Gods. At that moment the Noble Prophet (S.) went into prostration and they too prostrated. All the polytheists of the Quraish were ecstatic and then went their ways, but shortly later Jibra`il descended and informed him (S.): I had not brought for you those two sentences! These were of the inspirations of the Satan!



The following verse was then revealed which cautioned the Noble Prophet (S.) and the believers[209]:

}وَ مَا أَرْسَلْــنَا مِنْ قَبْلِكَ مِنْ رَسُولٍ وَ لاَ نَبِيٍّ إِلاَّ إِذَا تَمَنَّى أَلْقَى الشَّيْطَانُ فِي أُمْنِيَّتِهِ فَيَنْــسَخُ اللٌّهُ مَا يُلْقِي الشَّيْطَانُ ثُمَّ يُحْكِمُ اللٌّهُ آيَاتِهِ وَ اللٌّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ {



“And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet, but when he desired, the Shaytan made a suggestion respecting his desire; but Allah (s.w.t.) annuls that which the Shaytan casts, then does Allah (s.w.t.) establish His communications, and Allah (s.w.t.) s Knowing, Wise.”[210]



If this tradition were to be accepted, it would put a question mark over the infallibility of the prophets, even with respect to receiving the revelation, and would serve to erode away the confidence in them.

At this juncture, before we endeavour to study and critically examine the traditions, we should first separate the text of verse 52 of Suratul Hajj from the traditions fabricated in connection with it and see what the verse actually has to say:



Certainly, the text of this verse, disregarding the false annotations, not only does not taint the infallibility of the prophets but on the contrary, is one of the proofs of their infallibility. This is because, it says: Whenever they possessed a positive plan and desire (every kind of desire is called امنية, but here امنية refers to a positive and constructive scheme for the advancement of their objectives; if it was not constructive, the Satan would never seek to put whisperings into it) the Satan would attack it, but before he could exert an influence upon their will or acts, Allah (s.w.t.) would nullify the Satanic inspirations and fortify His verses.



(It should be noted that the “ف” in فَيَنسَخُ اللهُ denotes a sequence without any intervening time internal, i.e. immediately and without any time interval, Allah (s.w.t.) would annul and eliminate the inspirations and the whisperings of the Satan.)

Testifying to this statement is another verse of the Qur`an which explicitly states:



{ وَ لَوْ لاَ أَنْ ثَبَّتْنَاكَ لَقَدْ كِدْتَ تَرْكَنُ إِلَيْهِمْ شَيْئاً قَلِيلاً }



“And had it not been that We had already established you, (and had you not been protected from deviation under the shelter of infallibility) you would certainly have been near to incline to them a little.”[211]



In view of the fact that verse 73 of this same chapter indicates that the infidels and the polytheists, by means of their evil insinuations, strived to turn away the Noble Prophet (S.) from the Divine revelation, it becomes clear that Allah (s.w.t.) did not permit them to achieve this success by employing their diabolical suggestions.



Also, in verse 113 of Suratul Nisa, we read:



{ وَ لَوْ لاَ فَضْلُ اللٌّهِ عَلَيْكَ وَ رَحْمَتُهُ لَهَمَّتْ طَائِفَةٌ مِنْهُمْ أَنْ يُضِلُّوكَ وَ مَا يُضِلُّونَ إِلاَّ أَنْفُسَهُمْ وَ مَا يَضُرُّونَكَ مِنْ شَيْ‏ءٍ }



“And were it not for Allah's grace upon you and His mercy a party of them had certainly designed to bring you to perdition and they do not bring (aught) to perdition but their own souls, and they shall not harm you in any way.”



All these indicate that Allah, by means of His blessings and succour, never permitted the sinister suggestions of the devils from amongst the men and jinn to affect and influence the Noble Prophet (S.), and kept him protected from all kinds of deviation.



All the above is applicable if we take امنية to mean desire, plan and scheme (since, the original roots of this word are traced to assumption, supposition and description).



However, most of the commentators have taken امنية to mean recitation, and some have even sought to corroborate this by presenting poems of Hasan ibne Thabit.[212] Fakhr Razi too, in his commentary, has stated: تَمَنَّی, according to the lexicon, possesses two meanings: The first meaning is 'the desire of the heart' and the second is 'recitation'.[213]



If we were to also take امنية to mean recitation, the meaning of the verse would be that when the divine prophets used to recite the Divine verses and sermons before the infidels and the polytheists, the devils and (those possessing satanic attributes) would insert their words amongst the words of the prophets in order to mislead the people, just as they used to do with the Noble Prophet (S.) too. Verse 26 of Suratul Fussilat says:



{ وَ قَــالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لاَ تَسْمَعُوا لِهٌذَا الْقُرْْآنِ وَ الْغَوْا فِيهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَغْلِــبُونَ }



“And those who disbelieve say: Do not listen to this Quran and make noise therein, perhaps you may overcome.”



In the light of this meaning, the meaning of the next verse (53 of Suratul Hajj) also becomes clear when it says:



{ لِيَجْــعَلَ مَا يُلْقِي الشَّيْطَانُ فِتْـنَةً لِلَّذِينَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ مَرَضٌ وَ الْقَاسِيَةِ قُلُوبُهُمْ‏ }



“So that He may make what the Shaytan casts a trial for those in whose hearts is disease and those whose hearts are hard.”[214]



Even today, it is a common practice that when reformers of human societies deliver beneficial and constructive lectures to a section of the society, at times, those with diseased hearts raise an uproar and by means of misleading slogans and satanic expressions attempt to make light of those speeches and obliterate them by means of their futile utterances. And this, in reality, is an examination for the people of the society and it is here that those with diseased hearts swerve away from the path of truth whereas for the Mu'mins, it becomes a means for acquiring greater awareness of the truthfulness of the prophets (a.s.). This, in turn, would make the people humble towards their invitation to the truth.



{ وَ لِيَعْلَمَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْعِلْمَ أَنَّهُ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَبِّكَ فَيُؤْمِنُوا بِهِ فَتُخْبِتَ لَهُ قُلُوبُهُمْ‏ }



“And that those on whom knowledge has been bestowed may learn that the (Qur`an) is the Truth from thy Lord, and that they may believe therein, and their hearts may be made humbly (open) to it.”[215]



In any case, from what has been stated above, we have realized that the verse under consideration does not contain anything which is inconsistent with the infallibility of the prophets vis-à-vis errors and deviation. Rather, as has been stated before, the verse emphasizes the issue of infallibility since it says that Allah (s.w.t.) protects His prophets while they receive the revelation or when they intend to perform some other work, from the satanic inspirations and whisperings.



Now let us turn to the traditions and myths that have been mentioned in this section and deduce their worth, for things have reached such a stage that lately the devils, for the purpose of creating disturbance in connection with the Noble Prophet (S.), have set about writing the book Satanic Verses.



Just as it had been previously stated, not only did the text of the mentioned verses not possess anything which contradicted the infallibility of the prophets, on the contrary, they prove and establish their infallibility. However, traditions found in some of the secondary Sunnite sources state things that are indeed strange in every respect, and therefore ought to be studied and discussed separately. These traditions, which we had presented at the start of this discussion, have been reported, sometimes, from Ibne 'Abbas, at other times from Sa'id ibne Jubair and occasionally from some other 'companions' or 'followers'.[216]



However, these traditions are not to be seen in any of the Shiite sources and, according to some of the Sunni scholars, these are also not to be found in any of the six Sihah of the Sunni. So much so that Muraghi, in his commentary, says: These traditions are undoubtedly a fabrication of the heretics and foreign hands, and have not been found in any of the authentic books. The fundamentals of the religion of Islam reject them and sound intellect testifies to their falsehood and incorrectness…It is obligatory for all the scholars to disregard them and refrain from wasting their time in explaining and interpreting them, especially in view of the fact that trustworthy narrators have explicitly declared them to be lies and fabrications.[217]



We observe this same meaning, although in a different form, in Tafsir Jawahir of Tantawi, wherein he says: These traditions have not been mentioned in any of the Sihah like Muwatta of Malik, Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Jami' Tirmidhi, Sunan Abi Dawud and Sunan Nisa`i[218], and it is for this reason that the book, Tafsir al-Wusul Li Jami' al-Usul - a collection of all the interpretive traditions of the six Sihah - does not report these traditions while interpreting the verses of Suratul Najm. Thus, it is inappropriate to attach importance to them and talk about them, let alone debate about them… These traditions are just manifest lies![219]



One of the testimonies which Fakhr Razi presents to prove it to be a fabrication is that in Sahih Bukhari it has been reported from the Noble Prophet (S.) that when he recited Suratul Najm, the Muslims and the polytheists, the men and the jinn, all fell into prostration; and the tradition bears no mention of the story of gharaniq. Furthermore, this tradition (which has been reported in Sahih Bukhari) has been reported by several chains of narrators and not the slightest mention of the story of Gharaniq meets the eye.[220]



Not only the abovementioned commentators, but even others such as Qurtubi in his commentary al-Jami', Sayyid Qutb in his commentary Fi Dhilal al-Qur`an, other Sunni scholars and all of the distinguished and celebrated Shi'ite scholars have branded this tradition as a fabrication and have attributed it to the enemies of Islam.



As such, it is not strange that the enemies of Islam, especially the inimical Orientalists, have publicized this tradition and reported it with a great deal of embellishment. We have also witnessed that recently they have forced a writer, coming from an evil lineage, to author a book under the title of The Satanic Verses and, by means of extremely derogatory and vile expressions in the course of a fictitious and make-believe story, not only question the sanctities of Islam but also exhibit sacrilege towards the great prophets (like Ibrahim), who are looked upon with great reverence by all the Divine religions.



And again it is not strange that the English text of this book was translated with astonishing swiftness into different languages and distributed all over the world. And when Ayatullah Khomeini R issued his historical fatwa declaring the author, Salman Rushdie, to have become an apostate and thereby deserving to be compulsorily killed, there arose in Rushdie's favour, on the part of the colonial governments and enemies of Islam, a tidal wave of support, so great that the world had never seen the like of it before. This amazing phenomenon revealed the reality that Salman Rushdie was not acting alone, and the issue is much more than just authoring an anti-Islamic book. It is, in fact, a conspiracy that has been chalked out by the Western colonial powers and the Zionists with the objective of bludgeoning Islam - a conspiracy which they support seriously and in great earnest.



But the firm resistance and perseverance of Ayatullah Khomeini (r.a.) in his fatwa, the continuation of his policy on the part of his successors and the global acceptance of this historical fatwa by the general Muslim public served to foil the conspiracy of the conspirators. And until this date, as we write this, the author of the mentioned book leads his life in total concealment and is scrupulously protected by the colonial governments; it appears that he shall be forced to lead the rest of his life in this fashion and probably he might be killed by his very mentors to extricate themselves from this humiliation. Thus, the 'creating cause' for this fabricated tradition also acts as its 'preserving cause', i.e. a conspiracy was initiated on the part of the enemies of Islam and now, after more than a thousand years, another group from amongst them strive to continue this conspiracy, although on a much wider scale.



As such, we do not deem it necessary to present, for this tradition, explanations and justifications which, for example, appear in great detail in the commentary Ruhul Ma'ani and concisely in other commentaries. This is because a tradition, which is fundamentally rotten and which has been emphatically branded as a forgery on the part of eminent Islamic scholars, does not need to be explained.



However, we only wish to present some points which shall provide some more clarification:

The relentless, uncompromising and perpetual fight of the Noble Prophet (S.) against idolatry, from the beginning of his invitation (to Islam) until the end of his life, is a fact which is not concealed from friend and foe alike. The most important issue for which he was never willing to compromise and exhibit flexibility was this very issue. Despite this, how could he have possibly commended and praised the idols of the polytheists by such words, and spoken of them in good light?



The teachings of Islam declare that the only sin that can never be forgiven and overlooked is polytheism, and it is for this reason that Islam has regarded the destruction of centers of idolatry, whatever the consequence, as obligatory, and the entire Qur`an is a testimony to this fact. This very fact is clearly indicative of the fabricated nature of the tradition of Gharaniq, in which idols have been commended!



Apart from this, those who have fabricated the story of Gharaniq have overlooked the fact that a cursory reading of the verses of Suratul Najm would be sufficient to prove this myth to be false, and reveal that there exists no harmony between the commendation of the idols by means of the sentence:

تِلْكَ الْغَرَااَنِيقُ الْعُلْيَ وَ إِنَّ شَفاَعَتَهُنَّ لَتُرْتَجَى‏.

and the verses situated before and after it. This is because, in the beginning of this very chapter, it has been explicitly stated that the Noble Prophet (S.) does not speak of his own desire and whatever he says in connection with the Islamic beliefs and laws, is Divine revelation:



{ وَ مَا يَنْطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوى إِنْ هُوَ إِلاَّ وَحْيٌ يُوْحى }



“Nor does he speak out of desire. It is naught but revelation that is revealed.”[221]



The Qur`an also emphasizes that the Noble Prophet (S.) shall never go astray from the true path and never lose himself:



{ مَا ضَلَّ صَاحِبُكُمْ وَ مَا غَوى }



“Your companion does not err, nor does he go astray.”[222]



What could be greater deviation than interpolating speeches of polytheism and praises of idols within the verses of monotheism? And as for speaking of one's desire, what could be worse than adding satanic words:

تِلْكَ الْغَرَااَنِيقُ الْعُلْيَ

to Allah's speech?

Interestingly, the verses following the verses presently under consideration explicitly criticize and denounce the idols and the idol-worshippers and say:



{ إِنْ هِيَ إِلاَّ أَسْمَآءٌ سَمَّيْتُمُوهَا أَنْــتُمْ وَ آبَاؤُكُمْ مَا أَنْزَلَ اللٌّهُ بِهَا مِنْ سُلْطَانٍ إِنْ يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلاَّ الظَّنَّ وَ مَا تَهْوَى الأََنْفُسُ‏ }



“They are naught but names which you have named, you and your fathers; Allah (s.w.t.) has not sent for them any authority. They follow naught but conjecture and the low desires which (their) souls incline to; and certainly the guidance has come to them from their Lord.”[223]



Which intellect would be given to believe that a wise and intelligent person, occupying the rank of prophethood and in the process of reciting Divine revelation would, in one sentence, praise the idols while two sentences later deprecate them with such vehemence and intensity? How can this blatant contradiction in two consecutive sentences be explained and justified?



Here we have to acknowledge that the cohesion of the verses of the Noble Qur`an are such that any impure addition made to it on the part of inimical and tendentious individuals is thrown out, and they clearly reveal it to be a patch which is inharmonious and an addition that is unrelated. This is the fate which the tradition of Gharaniq suffers from amidst the verses of the Noble Qur`an.



At this juncture, one question remains to be answered and that is: How is it that an issue, so baseless and unsubstantiated, has come to acquire such popularity?



The answer to this question is not very difficult and intricate; the popularity of this tradition is, to a great extent, indebted to the efforts of the enemies of Islam, who imagine that they have managed to lay their hands on a good pretext to blemish the infallibility of the Noble Prophet (S.) and the authenticity of the Noble Qur`an. Thus, the reason for its popularity amongst the enemies is clearly comprehended. However, its popularity amongst the Islamic historians, according to some of the Islamic scholars, stems from the fact that many of the historians are always on the lookout for new, exciting and exceptional issues - however much there may exist a question mark over their historical authenticity - so that they can make their books more interesting and tumultuous. And since the myth of gharaniq is unprecedented in the life of the Noble Prophet (S.), they, without examining the weakness of its chain of narrators and the baseless nature of its contents, record it in their books of history and traditions; subsequently, others dwell upon it with the intention of subjecting it to a critical examination and study.

Conclusion



From what has been discussed above, it becomes plain and clear that not only do the verses of the Qur`an not contain anything which contradicts the infallibility of the prophets, rather, these very verses, which have been imagined to be contradicting it, contain clear indications that accentuate the rank of infallibility for them.[224]






Notes:

[207] Suratul Najm (53), Verse 19, 20

[208] غرانيق is the plural of غرنوق - a kind of water bird that is white or black in colour. There are other meanings too that have been mentioned (for this word) (as quoted from Qamus al-Lugah).

[209] Most of the distinguished commentators have reported this tradition although with a little difference, and have subjected it to a critical examination.

[210] Suratul Hajj (22), Verse 52

[211] Suratul Isra` (17), Verse 74

[212] تمنی کتاب الله اول ليلة و آخرها لاقی حمام المقادر

In Taj al-'Arus, the commentary of the book Qamus, and also in the actual text of the book Qamus, تمنی الکتاب has been stated to mean تلاوة الکتاب (recitation of the book). Then, quoting from Azhari, it says: تلاوة has been called امنية because whenever the reciter reaches a verse of mercy, he desires (Allah's) mercy and whenever he reaches a verse of chastisement, he desires deliverance from it. However, the book Maqayis al-Lughah is of the opinion that this word has been made to mean تلاوة because it is a kind of measurement and placement of every verse it is own place.

[213] The Commentary of Fakhr Razi, vol. 23, pg. 51

[214] Of course, the interpretation of the last verse, on the basis of the first meaning, is not without its objections. This is because the satanic inspirations in the souls of the Prophets, despite the fact that they were immediately eliminated and annulled by means of divine succor, cannot be a means of examination for the hypocrites and those possessing diseased hearts. This is because these whisperings do not have any external manifestation and appearance, rather, they are ephemeral inspirations inside the souls of the Prophets.



Except if it is said that the meaning is that when the divine Prophets desired to implement their desires and plans, in practice, the devils engaged themselves in sabotaging and whispering diabolical suggestions - this being the appropriate occasion for trials and examinations. And with this explanation, the coherence and relationship between the three verses (52, 53 and 54 of Suratul Hajj) is preserved and maintained.



Strangely enough, some of the commentators have presented various interpretations and possibilities for the first verse without endeavouring to preserve the harmony between it and the two subsequent verses.

[215] Suratul Hajj (22), Verse 54

[216] For more information regarding the chains of narrators of these traditions in the books of the Sunnis, refer the book al-Durr al-Manthur, vol. 4, pg. 366-368, under verse 52 of Suratul Hajj.

[217] Tafsir Muraghi, vol. 17, pg. 130, under the abovementioned verse.

[219] Tafsir Jawahir, vol. 6, pg. 46

[220] The commentary of Fakhr Razi, vol. 23, pg. 50

[221] Suratul Najm (53), Verse 3,4

[222] Ibid., Verse 2

[223] Suratul Najm (53), Verse 23

[224] Tafsir Payam-e-Qur`an, vol. 7, pg. 164

Ozichim:

I won't say I'm surprise to see this topic; especially when it comes from a Muslim.
For those that doesn't know; Islam is a failed project from Allah via Mohammed. So, why should somebody be surprise to see such topic (" Demolishing The Falsehood of Christianity And It's Bible" coming from a disciples of Mohammed.

This is the mandate of Allah to Mohammed. But even after all effort from Allah; Christianity is still growing bigger and stronger.

One of the amassing thing is that LegoShia called Christianity and the Bible Falsehood.
Pls. I call on true Muslims to arrest and prosecute LagoShia for blaspheme.

LagoShia is saying that Mohammed copied from a False Book "Bible" Hence calling Mohammed a 419 Prophet. (LagoShia Should be manhandled by Muslim members).
Even according to the Muslims, Mohammed (Koran) acknowledged that Jesus is Divine and holy and prophet; but LagoShia said that both Allah and Mohammed are liars by calling Christianity and Bible False.

Matthew 13:31  Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
Matthew 13:32  Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

The above parable said that Christianity will grow larger than any other religion. This was said many years before it happen; as you can see today.
The Bible/Christianity has lived for over 6000 years before Islam, but Mohammed and his disciples think that they can Demolish it.


As we said before we Christians do not fight for their God, though we love him with all our heart and soul (As you can see we are always ready to die for our God and our faith; millions of Christains has already done that).
Since you are reading the bible with us you must have learnt that our God is a consuming fire.
You see what He did in the bible;
Our God can rebuke the wind
Our God can rebuke the Sun,
Our God can rain down fire from Heaven, (John pleaded with Jesus to allow him call down fire to distroy entire town but Jesus rebuked him).
Elijah actually did it.
Our God can rebuke the Sea (I cannot exhaust all that our God can do). Our God can do all things.

Luke 9:54  And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
Luke 17:29  But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

LagoShia, If you don't have fear and respect for Christianity and the Bible the Devil will shut-up your mouth for you because he (Satan) tremble before our God.

Matthew 18:9  And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Mark 9:43  And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mark 9:44  Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mark 9:45  And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Outside Islam, many other people, groups, Kings, leaders etc have tried to Demolish Christianity and the Bible before; but it makes Christianity shine brighter, (You know, Diamond and Steal shine more and more brighter as you put them on fire)

For those that does not know what Islam and its like Stand for; please see what John has to say about them:

1 John 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Let me tell you the church (Christianity) has come to stay and has been there far before Islam and no gate of hell can prevail against it.

Matthew 16:15  He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Matthew 16:16  And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Matthew 16:17  And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 16:18  And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Matthew 16:19  And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

If Christianity should fall on (Come against) anything, (any group, any religion) it will grind it into powder.
Matthew 21:44  And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

But you see we Christians are interested in your salvation more than anything else. So pls. instead of making jest of the whole thing; try and surrender your life to Christ now that your still alive, he will still forgive you; and your name will be written in the book of live.

Ozichim:

Which Question is unanswered?

is there any book that ascribes to the temple in Jerusalem which is regarded as the third holiest place in Islam to have being the first house built for the worship of God? if not,then why the too many words talking nonsense?

bashy_demy:

Alot of Questions. If you want to answer them no problem i am available for you. I will provide you with the questions.

Ozichim:

I agree with you about the Jesus you believe and the Jesus Christians believe. Can you Imagin somebody coming to teach you about your father. It sounds funny that one man appeared and begin to tell Christians what they believe, after about 1500 years.

When you say Allah is the greatest @LegoShia "Islam is the TRUTH!Allah Is The Greatest!!!!]" It doesn't change anything.

If you are deceived you are deceived.

Tell me what Allah has done Before and now that make you believe in Him. What is the proves that He is the true God. Pls. don't tell me the Story pulled from the Bible.
Is it becouse Mohammed won (did not loose) a Battle? or
Is it becouse Mohammed conquered many tribes/towns for Allah and they become Islam?
no no no no! you are wiser than that.

I have told you the truth and you did not believe.

Matthew 9:13  But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Romans 10:13  For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

I'm talking to you and every other person that has not accepted Christ into his life.
In Islam, is it a crime to pray asking God to have mercy on you and to show you the truth?

I'm trying to suggest that you ask God to reveal the truth to you; ie ask Jesus to prove himself to you if He is real or not.

Hebrews 9:26  For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 9:27  And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Hebrews 9:28  So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

We are all human any body can make mistake, anybody can be deceived, So I don't think it should be a crime for any human to insist on confirming that what he/she believe is the truth.

Acts 17:11   These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

In as much as we are explaining and defending what we believe, we should also know that one should be able to question himself about his belief.

I have done all this. I was being forced to church before, until I have to confirm manything my self.

A well known American Layer has toured the world and the middle east while trying to disprove Christianity only to surprisingly confirming that every Story in the Bible is true. This man, I will try to get his name is not even a Christian.

If we value our life which I think we should we should be sure that we are not making a mistake.

I did not believe on The Lord Jesus Christ because my prayer is answered when I pray but because I have confirmed and discovered that everything about it is clear and real.

Are you not surprise that every other religion seems to be hovering around Christianity?  

I know that no sane person will hate himself (I mean His life).
Your life (I mean your real life ie. Life after dearth) Worth's more than your faith/belief. ie consider it first before your faith. You shouldn't toss with it.

So,
Where are you going when you die?
Are you sure?

                   This is a special and uncommon claim. And somebody has actually diffited death.

1 Corinthians 15:55  O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
John 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 28:1  In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Matthew 28:2  And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Matthew 28:3   His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
Matthew 28:4  And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
Matthew 28:5  And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Matthew 28:6  He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
Matthew 28:7  And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.

So, pls. believe me somebody has power over death and that is Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Romans 9:33  As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 10:9  That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:11  For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Romans 10:13  For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

LagosShia:

you are just a plain fool who is lost and doesn't even know what is taking place.the Jesus we muslims believe in and the one you christians believe in are from two separate worlds when you compare our beliefs about him.you raised so many redherrings and allegations that i consider a waste of time replying to them.you are undoubtedly shocked beyond belief and so annoyed to see that you have being a victim of the 419 of christian missionaries.

you are ridiculous and that is why i called you a fool.after threatening me with manhandling and prosecution you still shamelessly want me to be "saved" into the deceit and falsehood called christianity which Jesus himself never named or founded.you want to shut me up at all cost but you can never.Islam is the TRUTH!Allah Is The Greatest!!!!

plappville:

What is wrong with u mixing everything up? what are u talking about? the bible is far far older than the socalled koran, The bible gave details of this temple built for God, it has been used in worshiping God by the prophets, priest, kings etc in the old testament ever before Jesus Christ came to earth.

Only for the koran to come and give a different story about this temple. Is the bible not older than the koran? So how come the koran rating the first worshiped temple as the third?

First Temple was built by King Solomon c.960 BCE and destroyed by the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar in 586 BCE. The Second Temple was dedicated c. 520 BCE and destroyed by the Romans under Titus in 70 CE.

Originally, King David had wanted to build the temple, but God, through Nathan the prophet, rejected this wish, evidently on the grounds that he had shed blood. Instead Nathan informed David that his son Solomon would build the Temple (II Sam. 7:12-13).

(I Kings 6:29-30). The Holy of Holies was entered only once a year, on the Day of Atonement, by the High Priest.

Ozichim:

I agree with you about the Jesus you believe and the Jesus Christians believe. Can you Imagin somebody coming to teach you about your father. It sounds funny that one man appeared and begin to tell Christians what they believe, after about 1500 years.

ok.so it is the so called "satanic verses" that Judek was also talking about.here is a complete and scholarly refutation by one of our highest authorities in Shia Islam to the allegation to prove the impossibility that such an imagination ever existed:

davidylan:

these are FACTS verified by archaeology and history. Where are the facts backing up this mystical kaaba that abraham built?

bashy_demy:

(( and can you tell me more about Christianity and how it come to existence? Did Jesus preach about Christianity at all during his life.?))

Ozichim:


When you say Allah is the greatest @LegoShia "Islam is the TRUTH!Allah Is The Greatest!!!!]" It doesn't change anything.

If you are deceived you are deceived.

Tell me what Allah has done Before and now that make you believe in Him. What is the proves that He is the true God. Pls. don't tell me the Story pulled from the Bible.
Is it becouse Mohammed won (did not loose) a Battle? or
Is it becouse Mohammed conquered many tribes/towns for Allah and they become Islam?
no no no no! you are wiser than that.

I have told you the truth and you did not believe.

Ozichim:


Matthew 9:13  But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Romans 10:13  For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

I'm talking to you and every other person that has not accepted Christ into his life.
In Islam, is it a crime to pray asking God to have mercy on you and to show you the truth?

I'm trying to suggest that you ask God to reveal the truth to you; ie ask Jesus to prove himself to you if He is real or not.

Ozichim:


Hebrews 9:26  For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 9:27  And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Hebrews 9:28  So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

We are all human any body can make mistake, anybody can be deceived, So I don't think it should be a crime for any human to insist on confirming that what he/she believe is the truth.

Ozichim:


                   This is a special and uncommon claim. And somebody has actually diffited death.

1 Corinthians 15:55  O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
John 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 28:1  In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Matthew 28:2  And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Matthew 28:3   His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
Matthew 28:4  And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
Matthew 28:5  And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Matthew 28:6  He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
Matthew 28:7  And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.

So, pls. believe me somebody has power over death and that is Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Romans 9:33  As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 10:9  That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:11  For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Romans 10:13  For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

plappville:

A tempter, Have u not been misqouting the bible in NL?? make fun of your keyboard and believe everyone here is like u!

Yes he is the greatest. He is the God that will never be killed by any man.
He is the God they created even and earth and see everything going on from his throne.
He is the God that have the Power to say 3 words I FORGIVE YOU without killing someone to forgive sin.
He is the God that the people he created with his own hand cannot torment.
He is the God that created Heaven and earth and never get tired to the existence that he will need rest.
He is the God that never sleep nor slumber.
He is the God that see everything he created with his hand and will not be searching for someone because he did not see him like the bible god is doing for Adam and Eve.
He is the God that cannot be slapped.
He is the God that cannot run cos they plan to kill him since he has the power to change there mind.
He is Greater than the greatest and mightier than the mightiest. I love you so much ALLAH

If i have to be telling you more about God, I wont be done till the Kingdom come.

bashy_demy:

This is not a matter of misquoting, I want to know more about the religion i want to embrace now.
So who is the originator?
Did Jesus preaches about Christianity?
Who is Jesus in the bible and how did he die?
Who is Paul the Apostle and how did he die?
who are the 40 Men that wrote the bible and how did they come about the story since they are not alive then.
Please i need to know more about all this who knows you might help me and convert me. Thanks my sister in the Lord

plappville:

U must know and accept that Islam is false before u proceed, U didn't even know that there were over 360 idols gods in the Ka'aba before Mohamed. U are