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Aareonakakanfo:
I've heard soo many "crazy" things today i swear.I haven't heard anything as ridiculous as this in a while.

We've been dealing this for years now, my don.

YEARS

raumdeuter:
Maybe if Oboabona was English and enjoys the media hype. he would have been said to be better than terry

But Fifa Is Swiss though...

Kolade354:
I'm sorry, But the way that guy analyse his rubbish with confidence pissed me off!!!.....By saying Lampard wasn't chelsea best player in 04/05 season.......He thinks he know it all but in reality he is as daft as Depay on the futball pitch!!!

I understand bro. But once we da si rough, the debate is gone. You know how some of these guys are na?

coogar:
so mourinho was hyping claude but lampard never had a role named after him? if you have a memory bank, you would remember lampard's goal haul that season was padded by awoof penalties and deflected free kicks.



this is where your acute ignorance shines through. on maka's wikipedia, it was written jose declared him chelsea's player of the year.



when jose makes prognosis.....he was only predicting what might happen in future. that's different altogether by naming makalele as his best player after a brilliant season. he didn't predict maka would win it. he declared him as chelsea's best player based on his performance that season.

abeg, stop with your ridiculous analogies the don't fit the bill.....

Don't try and twist the Wikipedia issue. Is there an official Jose's best player award?

I've given you several examples of Jose running his mouth. Is the guy that blame the tactics computer for the loss at Everton that we should take serious?

I've told you, you need to learn the seperate fact from fiction when Jose is talking. Jose will tell you good morning, but the moon is shining. You will see him rocking a raincoat in Sahara Desert.

Jose's public utterances should be taken with a jar of salt

Kolade354 please don't ruin this discussion with unnecessary insults...

raumdeuter:
Who won FIFpro or the equivalent in 1994? Yet everyone knows who won the world cup then

Boatank was on the field winning his team major trophies, when terry was in the stands cheering like a teenage girl

I don't know who won it in 94...but I can easily check....what search term would you type into Google to find Boatank on his own 20 years from now?

Schurrle was there too...

Nobody will remember him in 3015...not even his descendants, but they might remember the team.

Terry's individual records however will live on like Ojukwu's manhood, recorded by the scribes at FIFA.

coogar:
nor be the same british media dey propagate & dey manipulate the voters of ballon d'or? it's like you dunno how powerful the british media are.

this is how pat nevin analysed chelsea in may 2005......

The key to Chelsea's defensive strategy is more simple than people would actually like to hear about. Defensively it is five guys who stay in there.

Claude Makelele plays what you'd call the old fashioned holding role in midfield. He's a shield for the back four.


In some ways it doesn't seem the hardest job in the world because you don't go forward.

The real joy is nothing to do with your passing ability, and only a little bit to do with your tackling ability - which may surprise some people.

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It's all to do with your positional sense, your game knowledge, and Makelele is outstanding.

It is down to your ability to read the game and see where problems might arise and it seems clear to me that Makelele understands the players he plays with.

He very rarely makes mistakes, and on occasions when Carvalho has been a bit rash he has even gone in behind him to solve problems. Makelele made a couple of great saving tackles against Arsenal.

He can spot danger. He is there as security and is also possibly the best reader of the game Chelsea have got. I think Mourinho agrees with that because he makes Makelele Chelsea's player of the year.

Im not exactly sure what to make of this response. You're posting the opinion of Pat Nevin to corroborate the statement of Jose Mourinho who is known to hype anything to high heavens if the mood takes him.

Pat Nevin last time I checked is not an award giving body. He's opinion is not recognised as authoritative by Wikipedia in the way PFA is.

When Jose came out and said he would bring out the 'real Falcao', Pekerman(Colombia's coach) also came out to say Falcao would thrive at Chelsea. These opinions match yours when you claimed that Falcao was better than Giroud last season. Jose said it. Pekerman said it. Coogar said it.

It's still a lie though.

raumdeuter:
Boatenks legacy includes winning a CL and world cup while on the field

Terry cant point to any of these. Actually his team win when he is suspended. When terrys kids watch those CL and Europa finals and cant see their daddy they would realize they have been sold a lie

A 100 years from this very day, Kids looking up John Terry will know see his individual awards chronicled on the FIFA, UEFA and FIFpro websites...

As of today, the only way kids will know of Boastank is by watching UCL semi-final highlights and watching one tall black man prostrating on the floor to a midget.

And please don't give me that ' he was won world cup spiel'. Everybody knows and remembers Pele. Not everybody knows or cares to know some of his teammates.

Boastank will be as forgotten as Schurrle, Raul Albiol, and Djalmar Santos...

raumdeuter:
The other coaches too won only when they left Terry out of the lineup which shows terry is the major problem

Terry played every single minute in the league last season. Won the thing too.

Next point please...

raumdeuter:
That era wasnt any better than this.

I am sure in another 15yrs the kids of then would be saying Terry, Cahill and Titus Bramble were defensive legends

Ronaldo didnt win top scorer because he was injured for most of his stay there beyong the 1998 debut season where he was second behind Bierhoff

I have seen Ordinary Vicenzo Montella use Nesta to wipe the floor and score 4 goals in one game. So if Montella can do that why wont Messi do triple

No amount of revisionism can change the fact that Terry IS a defensive legend. He maybe a gaping gash off the pitch, but his legacy on it will be forever remembered...

I wonder if we can say the same for Boastank

raumdeuter:
Terry won just like Mikel Bertrand and anyone in Chelsea then. Actually Mikel and Bertrand had more impact of Chelsea winning than Terry at least they were on the field where the game was going on vs Terry who was in the stands in the key games that won CHelsea the title

EVen Chelsea 3rd keeper got a medal just like terry

You're absolutely right...this further proves the point that AVB was a dud, and his failure had nothing to do with JT

Next point please...

coogar:
i also believe jose would win UCL with 11 azpili. he's your best defender....too bad he's not a CB. he's the only player you cannot beat in the premier league - he's 2 footed, defends excellently and attacks tenaciously.

however, that's not why we are here.....
we are here cos makelele was the outstanding player in 04/05 in the prem league. the only reason he was shunned at the PFA awards is because he's not english....

which yeye lampard?
lampard was so good but it was makelele that had a role named after him? are you silly? you guys should be ashamed of yourselves that a united fan is schooling you tools about your club's own history....



we only hear of the makelele role.....where's the lampard role?

How about the fact that he finished as the 1st runner up to Dinho when he won the Balon D'or that year... I'm sure that was Also because he was British.

raumdeuter:
WHat back to back greatness in Europe did Terry achieve post AVB? Chelsea won everyone they won in Europe without Terry. He was even a cog in their wheel until God sent him out of the team

You need to lodge a petition with UEFA to withdraw Terry's UCL and Europa League medals...

In the time since AVB was unceremoniously dismissed from CFC, John Terry has gone on to achieve more honours than that flop of a coach...

Next point please...

barackohandso:
Stop all these unnecessary hype you give the past. Each era has its positives and negatives, you make it sound like you're the only one who watched football back then. Messi and ronaldo will thrive in any era as long as they play as they've been playing over the last 7 years, yes they're that good. You can go back and forth and deduce that zidane, figo, ronaldinho et al wouldn't have won the ballon d'or if they had played in this era. Change is permanent. Live with it

Nihilist co-signs this message.

Cristiano Ronaldo would even thrive more in previous era due to his fitness regime. Players of old used to smoke like chimneys and drink like fishes.

Ronaldo is like the terminator. The man looks like he was put together by skynet purely for the purpose of scoring goals

raumdeuter:
Terry's lack of pace and ability to anticipate passes were what made the pattern fail. ANy one can defend when you play bunker ball even a washed up Lucio, Samuel, Chivu looked like the great wall of China when they had to bunker

I have seen even Mertersacker look like Maldini when playing a deep defence

There is a reason John terry's teams win trophies when he is missing

Yes Terry was the reason AVB went on to fail elsewhere too. When AVB chopped 5 from Liverpool playing that same highline suicidal football, Terry was also to blame.

How you can blame Terry for the failures of a manager that doesn't consider his playing staff before formulating his system is beyond me...

Terry went on to achieve back-to-back greatness in Europe post AVB. AVB however, is freezing his bollocks off in a no-account league...

coogar:
this airmark is a lunatic sha....
he's testing my eidetic memory and he's even failing at it.....

Same Jose that said he would win UCL with 11 Azpilicuetas? Or the one that said Ivanovic is his right back last week? Or maybe it's the one that said that Falcao is still a top player just that the fans can't see...

Negro please...you need to learn to differentiate fact from fiction when Jose is talking...

airmark:
Your falsehood has taken a higher dimension. I challenge you to show me where mou said lampard did nt deserve it? I watched football long before you could identify a TV in kiddies' book. Immediately i saw in your blabbing that lamps was nt near best player that year, i was just laughing. I only needed wikipedia to buttress my point, in case you wanted to shift post as you always do. I am not here to fight you, but next time dont post rubbish here, prying eyes will see and call your bluff. You are not in confinement of your room where you can easily say Pep guardiola was c ronaldo's coach at real madrid and your wife will give you a peck in the neck.

Bwahahaha

I don't know how somebody can claim that there was no standout player in 04/05 or that Makalele was better than Lampard...

I'm not even going to go into this argument because a lot of lies have been bandied about.

Half the game, you cannot see defensive actions on TV because the camera follows the ball. You can't see Busquets positioning off the ball. So when Coogar is talking about 'the flow of the game' I know he's just chatting nonsense again. TV Camera can NEVER show you the flow of the game.

I agree that Boateng is one of the top CBs in the game today. But e no reach Ramos. Pique's name should not even be mentioned as a top defender...for one, he doesn't actually defend.

Barca averaged 67% Possesion per game last season. What defending is Pique doing when his teammates have the ball for a full 60 minutes each game?

raumdeuter:
As a defender Vidic is at least 5 times better than Terry.

Terry is a fraud he always benefitted from having competent defensive partners

Still better than boastank though

Oboi Ivanovic is Injured sha...

Ivanovic is injured!!!!

AdeLaNa1:
Wia is Nihilist wen u need him??
Fight wan happin for here and he's no where to be found....

Where is the fight?

raumdeuter:
WHat does this mean? EVen if Mourinho is top 100 in the world I am sure he knows more in his toenails than that drunk guy and chelseafan1 put together about football

Matic was sha not there against Southampton when Ivanovic was spun like a cheap Koso

Baritone:
who are you again?

thats your opinion.

You disagree?

AdeLaNa1:
Blind at LB. Young at LW. Jones(as much as i hate dis) at CB. Schneiderlin should always start our games alongside one of Carrick/Bastian. Mata at RW wit Darmian/Valencia at RB. This line-up will be more composed in defence and attack. And we'd be winning most of our games and these shekpeites who's club cant even make Top 15 ll have less reasons to come here to troll....

No matter the condition
I'll be here for you like Joey, Ross, Chandler etc...

Baritone:
dude is not fit to be a united player. He's rated as the next c.ronaldo, but Ronaldo in his debut years was far better than a Hulk-like Depay.

why is no one concerned about the plight of the master creator.
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That's a big fat lie. Depay now is by far better than Ororo in his early days. He has scored against Brugges and PSV sef.

Depay...Mr Leg-Day

coogar:
how's penalty part of the game? if lampard was still at chelsea, how many goals would hazard have scored last season? do you have any brain at all? player A gets to score awoof penalties, player B has 6 players in front of him to take pens......who's more likely to get goals on a level playing field?

it's becoming increasingly difficult for the average chelsea fan to debate with his common sense. why do you think gerrard & lampard appear better than they look with stats? even when they aren't playing well, there's always a chance to score the odd penalty.

But PFA,EA Sports, Whoscored and Sqwuaka are not Chelsea fans bro...

coogar:
engage your brain box, biko

hazard played 430 minutes more & about 3 awoof penalties.....and yet he was neck and neck with sanchez.

hazard - 9 assists in 3373 mins
sanchez - 8 assists in 2942 mins

according to chelseafan, hazard is better.

Also according to PFA, EA Sports, Whoscored, and Sqwuaka...even Sanchez's Mum would agree that Hazard was the man last year...

coogar:
statistics like scoring from penalties, playing 3300 mins, yellow cards, etc? who cares about total? we already know what creativity entails so purists should narrow it down to goals, assists, key passes and chances created while paying attention to the minutes played by both players.

silva has been killing hazard since 12/13.

So we should leave total score and focus on just 1 or 2 stats?

Were you promoted from Primary 3 to Primary 4 solely because you were good at CRK?

Try again bro...

Keky my donnest don...How did you feel about the Manyoo game?

I heard Martial played...

dopeJemi:
I said that shi.t outta anger, depay has been shyte this season, so as hazard but if na the "in" dey do you, na mistake.. na you still talk say funlord bars dey "week"

No call your paddy ole bro...

coogar:
very well then....

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silva has been shyting on hazard since the belgian found himself in the EPL.

Wow those are some interesting stats...However what was the TOTAL SCORE for both? You know...that score that takes ALL their statistics for the year into account?

Please let me know bro. I wanna know like Joe...

SIRcumalot:
I could say the same for your 4-0 drubbing of tel aviv. thought you lot turned a corner with that win.

Sat at my desk overlooking the Thames and looking for the punchline...

There is a punchline though, bro?