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I have a friend from Newcastle just can't understand what's happening to his hometown team.

Incidentally he was one of those Pardew-Out people.


This weekend, I'm worried that any text I send him might read like an obituary

Mourinholic:
Boateng is above Ferdinand and Terry......
Honestly its high time we admitted Boateng is slightly better than Anton Ferdinand, I mean damn,give boateng some credit....he singlehandedly won Germany the world cup........

He is slightly better than Anton Ferdinand and TERRY G,you guys are just hating on Boateng

Bwahahaha

I don't know whether to buy fifa16 or not.

Played the demos for PES and FIFA and PES has the better game play by far....

My head is telling me no but.......

I'm sure I heard shots being fired...but I can't see any blood

Hmmm...

parrotibaba:
You confusing yourself. Yes I don't agree that he managed only 4 world class players but that doesn't mean that I do not agree that the 4 players he mentioned r world class. The emphasis here are the number of world class players he managed not his infallibility. SAF is not the only one that has called giggs a world class player, the likes of Nesta n Del pierro also called him world class. That I chose SAF's opinion about the matter doesn't mean that he was the only one saying it, remember I hv been saying it since.

I can't be doing this. Lad this is too easy to see. Surely you can see what I'm talking about.

You can't predicate your argument on an authority you whose opinion you don't trust completely.

You're only using his opinion of player which matches your own estimations.

It's like an atheist basing his argument on the bible.

In this regard, Ferguson's opinion that Giggs was a world class player cannot be used to buttress your own point, when you don't completely agree with Ferguson on who and who isn't a World Class player.

parrotibaba:
This was ur question right?


Do you agree that Sir Rednose only managed 4 world class players?

Now the fact that I do not agree that he managed only four world class players doesn't mean that I also disagrees with the four he listed. You don't always agree 100% with ppl but it doesn't mean that they r also 100% wrong. For example if Mr A says that Marianna is a very beautiful girl n goes ahead to say that all her sisters r also very beautiful n Mr B agrees with the former but not the later, does that now imply that Mr A is 100% wrong in his assertions?

SAF; " I managed only 4 world class players throughout my coaching career"

Nihilist; "Do you agree with SAF that he managed only four world class players in his career"?

Parrotibaba; "Absolutely not! he also managed so n so players who were also world class.


Does this in any way imply that Parrotibaba doesn't believe that the four players SAF listed weren't world class players?

You don't agree with Ferguson's opinion that he only managed 4 world class players.

So you don't consider it infallible. If he can get the concept of a world class player wrong according to you, then how can you use his assertion that giggs was world class to back your own?

This thing is actually very simple.

parrotibaba:
Your question was that if I believed that SAF managed only 4 world class players throughout his coaching career n I said no, it doesn't mean that I do not agree with the players that he mentioned. Of course Giggs is a world class player, I have been saying this since time immemorial n the fact that the great SAF backed up my opinion only goes to show that I was right all along.

Whether or not you agree with Ferguson on some players is irrelevant.

The fact that you do NOT agree with Ferguson is most pertinent. This means you don't view his opinion as absolute, and if you can't trust his opinion, how can you base an argument on it?

And why should non-United fans accept the opinion of a man, who even United fans don't agree with?

raumdeuter:
Wack footballers like Baptista, Reyes, Saviola Drenthe walked into madrid team even Thomas Gravesen did. Walking into Madrid of 2007 isnt a big deal

so what does this prove?

Are Jeremy Matthieu and Ter Stegen not Messi's teammates?

parrotibaba:
absolutely not! The likes of Schmeichel, Dennis Irvin, Jaap Stam, Nicky butt, Roy Keane, Andy Cole, Mark Hughes, Steve Bruce, Ferdinand, vidic, Garry Neville n even Becks were world class.

Very good. Now if you don't trust Ferguson's estimation of what constitutes a world class player, how can you use his opinion that Giggs was a world class player in your argument?

raumdeuter:
My point is walking into Madrid of 2007 isnt a big feat anyone can do it if those i listed did.

Robben became world class post Chelsea is my point

So anybody can walk into Madrid 1st team and win the league in his first season, after winning the league back to back at his former club?

which shoe dem dey use waka dat Kain waka?

raumdeuter:
Lol. The Madrid Robben walked into is not this Madrid

The madrid of then was Reyes, Heinze, Diarra, Drethe, Gago, Baptista, Van Der Vaart Robinho Saviola. which decent footballer wont walk into that Madrid?

So this Robben won't walk into this Madrid?

Abi what's your point again?

parrotibaba:
Ryan Giggs was one of the four world class players SAF worked with but one Chelsea fan was calling him a local champion barely 2 months ago

Do you agree that Sir Rednose only managed 4 world class players?

nateevs:
I won't necessarily have regarded Mutu as world class at the time he arrived at Chelsea. I would have called him a Suarez-like success in the Dutch league. Suarez himself would not have been called World Class at the time he arrived at Liverpool. I will agree with Dayo also that Robben would not have been World Class at his time at Chelsea.

I agree with you on the others.

In my opinion, Robben was definitely worldclass at Chelsea. His talent was never in doubt...only his ability to stay fit.

He went from Chelsea's 1st team to Madrid's 1st team after winning 2 EPL titles in England and won the La Liga in his 1st season at Madrid.

You can't just walk into Madrid's 1st team if you are not World Class

SonOfEl:
neither do I, Christianity is a way of life, not a religion, but a nihilist like you is only looking for who to join you in your loneliness. you are on your own dude.

Pardon?

raumdeuter:
Robbens best was at Bayern not at Chelsea at Chelsea he was just a precocious youth. Dessaily at Chelsea was a shadow of the original AC Milan Desailly he came to Chelsea at 30yrs which is understandable

Mutu can never be called a world class player. How can a striker who scored 8 goals in 35 games be called World class

Drogba had world class spells and very mediocre spells

The fact that they weren't at their best doesn't make them any less worldclass at those points in time.

Anyway my enquiry was asking what world class players have actually played for chelsea at anytime...

Mourinholic:
Gerrard,Vidic,Terry,Makelele(of Chelsea),Hazard, Carvalho and DROGBA aren't world class but of course Boateng,Lewy,Bastian and Ribery are World class.....

Allianz arena won't forget Drogba's worldclass Penality there in a hurry

raumdeuter:
I have my opinion about whats World class and Ferguson agrees with me

I have said since i started watching football Only Gascoigne and Scholes are the World class English players i have seen

When ferguson named his World class in Man Utd despite coaching several English player, Scholes was the only one he named

Ferdinand was not world class but I would say Vidic was close to World class. In his time he was one of the best maybe in amother era say 90's he might not have been rated as highly.

The Desailly that played in Chelsea wasn't World class, Same with Robben, Veron, Weah, Ballack, Shevchenko, Mutu All these played their best football away from Chelsea(I would also argue Makalele played his best footie in Madrid). Carvalho was very close to world class for like 2 season, Terry has never been world class in his career, Drogba was inconsistent. He would play 3 world class games and 7 mediocre ones. The Drogba in Marseille was a beast though

Generally people especially all these newbie fans throw the term world class around recklessly. Some already call hazard, Sterling Harry Kane world class. That's why I call them DSTV fans. Ask some Manure DSTV fans the world class players in man utd and they would list over 30players yet Ferguson the manager himself named just 4

Go watch some clips of Ronaldo Lima, Zidane Iniesta, Messi, etc and think if one should be using the same term for them and Hazard, Sterling etc

Robben was definitely world class. He went from Chelsea straight to Madrid. Desailly was a key member of World Cup winning french sqaud when he signed for us. And then went on to win the Euros as well. Mutu was worldclass at Chelsea...He was at the zenith of his career when he got done for using fishscale.

Drogba was a worldclass striker bro. Hazard is a world class player today too. Take it or leave it. I wont argue.

Following Ferguson's assertion that he managed only 4 world class players at Manyoo, I'd like to ask what you guys term worldclass. And what worldclass players we have/had.

I think Ruud van Horseface was Worldclass, as well as Merk Ferdinand.

For me, I think you have to be recognised at individual level by absolutely anybody from any part of the world in any era.

I think the obvious ones I can think of are
Marcel Desailly, Lampard, Robben Drogba, Carvalho/Terry, Ballack, Essien, Makalele and Adrian Mutu(pre Cocaine), Cech and Cortouis

I like Costa's aggresion...I'm a big fan of strikers who bully defender

I'm also a big fan of Costa's gamesmanship and underhand ojoro tactics.

The only thing I don't is his new propensity to drift wide left.

parrotibaba:
let me indulge u a little, u keep talking about sleeping with folk's mums when in reality no woman will come close to u See this frustrated sex freak having mind sex on this wonderful board. Don't worry i can arrange mama nkechi that sells mama-put in your backyard to give u a chance to become a real man! before u go n rape those innocent kids that u teach further maths.

Bros I go like enter set

E no go better for those Nairaland hackers who robbed us of that glorious picture.

I can't believe no one saved that pic.

Nobody!

Nyabinghi can we have one shot abeg? Just one shot

Damn...

You boys don't even play at all.

I've noticed some nice and sweet jabs that have been landed over the last few pages.

I've also noticed a very very bad habit. Some posters are jocking Coogar way too closely. I read one post with almost line for line plagiarised content. That's not good at all. Keep it original.

I'm on the train now so I will be following this bout silently. When I get home I will post my highlights.

E no go better for any peacekeeper by the way. Keep it dirty, bloody and gory lads. Nihilist is with you in spirit

Aareonakakanfo:
[b]Hatton,marquez,mosley,cotto and maidana regardless of their form are no match for Floyd. Despite marquez's heroics against pac, he was still never seen as a potential threat to Floyd talkless of the rest. We all know when there's a potential floyd loss. When canelo was kicking butts, it took floyd over 6 months to finalize the deal.when a boxer is on form we all know.In short even the names you put up above, some of them already lost their mojo before they fought floyd.Mosley already lost to winky wight and cotto before fighting floyd.Mosley's golden days were in the late 90s

99 ducked Joel Casamayor and shane mosley and fought chavez
02 grew balls and fought Castillo after wasting so much time
etc etc no need to even talk about pac

My point is he never fights them when they're being hyped. Now everyone wants him to fight with golovkin but he's declining then after 1 year he will fight and win then the regular fanboys will come out and start singing his praises.[/b]

I personally want Money to come back and get one last fight to retire for the last time with a 50-0 record

Now to your argument.

The examples I gave were title matches where Floyd robbed people of their belts.

Every single one of those men were world champions when they faced and lost to Money

He beat world champs and took their birthrights, but you're going on about Joel Casamayor?

Who the hell is Casamayor? What is his standing in the comity of reknowned pugilists? Who is his father?

The fact that you had to go as far back as SIXTEEN years ago to get a non-starter is surprising to me.

As at 99 Mayweather was a world champ. Casamayor started his pro career in 99. He could never have been a contender by that fact alone. So I'm not sure what you're talking about...

Aareonakakanfo:
No disrespect to floyd,pound for pound anytime anyday, he will make my top 2 but you coming here to tell me he's unbeatable?Hell No! he isn't special, he's just smarter.Like i said previously, he needs to stop picking fights he wants under the guise of business. Roy jones jr was a businessman but fought toney,calzaghe and tarver at the right time.Ray leonard fought hagler,hearns,duran at the right time. Why does floyd have to wait till when boxers lose their mojo before getting into the ring

Had Hatton lost his mojo when he beat him in 07? Or Marquez in 09? Or Shane Mosley a year later? Miguel Cotto in 2012? Maidana TWICE?

The only people to ever accuse Money of ducking were Pacman and Amir Khan. We saw pacman bite the dust this year and Amir Kahn simply doesnt have the draw to make the fight lucrative enough from Floyd's perspective.And Khan would be an easy fight with his complete lack of chin.

Aareonakakanfo:
I can sense some bias in your comment.you seem to be a hard core floyd fan-boy and not an open-minded boxing fan.That alone has ended the argument since regardless of what names i put up, it can change your opinion.You remind of C.ronaldo fans

I'm a big fan of Money yes...and of Ronaldo as it turns out, but that does not make my submission biased.

Floyd delivers a master class almost everytime he gets in the ring.

I remember when I used to spar at my old gym, my trainer would remind me to "think of the boxing" when I was diving in and just opening myself to a beating anyhow.

That's what floyd does. He thinks. He doesn't just think, he thinks like he's playing chess. Very tactical. If you've ever been in the ring before, you'll understand what I mean....

Aareonakakanfo:
First of all i don't think Floyd is unbeateable.He reminds me of sweet pea until he met de la hoya.He dodges people he believes might tarnish his record so he waits for them to lose their mojo.Regarding the emboldened, sweet pea whitaker,james toney,locche and even rigondeaux are as technical or even more technical than floyd yet they're some of the most entertainig boxers in history and people will empty their pockets to watch them.Floyd is just simply boring.it has nothing to do with technicality

You don't have to believe it to make it any less true.
Money will retire unbeaten.

Floyd never told you to look for excitement at his fight. My man was about defence first and foremost. His first nickname was 'Pretty Boy'. Once he puts up that Philly Shell, that' it. He came to win. He's the Mourinho of boxing.

To the casual fans of boxing Floyd might seem boring. But to anybody who has been inside the ring at least once, his ring craft is entertaining, his use of angles is entertaining, his footwork is entertaining, his ridiculous punch speed is entertaining, his guard is entertaining, his head movement is entertaining, he doesnt plant his feet, he's always on his bike, that's entertaining....

Floyd is the boxer's boxer.

Aareonakakanfo:
There have been talks of Floyd being unbeatable.Pacquiao has tried,cotto has tried.I had so much faith in Zab judah and maidana but they failed.Now my question is this.If floyd doesn't retire in the next couple of years, who are the boxers you think have the potentials to take him to the canvas.All sports fans are welcomed to this discussion.Cc shamecurls,50calibre,chic2pimp,bundesligabest,justkay3,nihilist,lifebender,straneur

Money is simply unbeatable and will retire as such.

I saw Money's padwork with Roger Mayweather and realised that combination pass combination.
These guys elevated pad work to almost dance routines.

Money was calling out incredibly long combinations from memory and Roger was meeting him.

Most people appreciate a boxer who hits but gets hit in return like your Haglers and Tysons. The crowd love the guy that would make you miss with so much flair that you look stupid like Prince Naseem and Roy Jones Jnr. But everyone hates a guy who does pure technical boxing, no thrills no frills, just defense and the jab. That's Money and that's Lennox Lewis.

funlord:



Choi? How sad! And those una _bitches been sabi donate oh! You missed the benefits of receiving 4 years of their massive charity! Such is life! Lol!

I missed nothing.
Girls in the UK are by far more charitable...and more beautiful too

funlord:


How dem go expel you for clubbing? When that itself na course for uni? Abi the vice chancellor/ rector was your father? You sure say no be "skull and bones levels" you dey try gloss over so? Lmfao!

Cultism?

Nah I attended covenant. There was one party at 1145 that year, and it seemed like half the school was going. So my roommate and I took exeat and went too.

Sadly enough I got bounced for turning up in pam slippers. I then spent the rest of the night smoking igbo and looking for mammy water at Kuramo.

When I got back to uni, my name was already on the kill list.

Someone had died at the party. Or coming back from the party. I don't remember now

Expelled for clubbing when I didnt even step foot in the place... The sheer injustice

latitidejavu:
Sorry @OP, why should you feel bad? I may be wrong but I believe if you are self-confident no alleged racism can make you feel bad. You showed them you weren't a push over by threatening to sue them. That is it, you were victorious. I went for one training in Germany and I was the only black in that section of town. For one good month i didnt see one black face. I was walking like the king. I was pitying their miserable lack of exposure. One day one german approached me and asked whether this is how everybody looked in africa. I asked him whether everybody in German was this mentally handicapped. I used the word 'mentally handicapped'. He was shocked! I dont know what he told them but the next day a german lady bought a drink for me in the same bar I met the german man. In that training I was the best when the result came out. I shifted my flight for one week to get to know the lady better. Now we are good friends. I am my own master. I was there in my own right and merit. Nobody had the ability or capacity to make me feel bad. Be confident and you will not feel bad about racism.

Lies

You mean a in country that has so many blacks and Turks playing in its national football team and leagues, the citizens still don't know what an African looks like?

Shoroniyen?

AdeLaNa1:
Omo. Na so Nihilist sef talk say e graduate uni 10 yrs ago
10 yrs ago wey i just wan enter JS 2

*prostrating* Uncle Nihilist i hail o

I said almost 10 years ago

I entered uni in 04 but got expelled for going clubbing. Then I started again in 05 and finished 08