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Jamiuokolaa:
Plunging Manchester United to 15th position Underachievers/Relegation flirts is a Mortal sin punishable by a violent death. Amorim literally brought the club to it's knees, breaking all sorts of negative records left, right and centre!

As e don escape sledge Hammer for now, the only atonement for the heinous crimes he committed last term, is to overachieve next season.

Funny thing is the stance will be that a top 10 finish sufficient. At least he got us from 15th to 10th. It’s progress, we just need to buy another set of players for him next summer for a top 4 finish.

Jamiuokolaa:
Even without the distractions of European Football??

That 15th position finish should atleast count for something nau

Well, his supporters will tell you that it would be unreasonable to expect a top 4 finish from 15th position. Progress is gradual. Lol.

Beorn:
I'm really not excited with the purchase of Mbeumo, I wouldn't go for him if I was in charge, but you never can tell if he'd excel here or not. He might end up proving us wrong.

Besides, buying players from big clubs also doesn't guarantee success. We've bought Di Maria, Casmeiro, Pogba, Varane, Onana, Sancho (Dortmund is relatively big in Germany) etc., for huge prices or huge player wages and yet, we've all struggled. So, buying from a big club hasn't worked out well for us.

In the past, during Fergie's era, we tend to buy from other EPL clubs from time to time and utilized them well to achieve success. The likes of Rooney, Keane, Cole, Cantona, Ferdinand, Carrick, etc., were gotten from EPL clubs lower than us, even some from relegated clubs like Roy Keane, and they brought us astounding success.

So, maybe it's time to go back to that tradition seeing as almost all of our foreign purchases have failed to take us to the level we once were. Liverpool got Mane & Van Dijk from Southampton. Got Robertson from a relegated Hull side, but see how these players galvanized them to success. Jota was gotten from Wolves. Wijnaldum gotten from Newcastle.

So, stop underrating players coz of their club, it's the potential and what they can do that matters, but most especially how the coach can bring out the best in them. No matter who we buy, if Amorim doesn't have the technical ability to make them play well, it'll still be a futile exercise.

My grouse with Mbeumo is I feel that the price being bandied about is too high as I don't rate him highly, but if Amorim wants him, let's try to get him so Amorim won't have any excuse for the awful football his team gave us last season.

Yes, but we should not pay 60/70/80m for Mbeumo because Amorin wants him. I am sure he has a list of other players we can sign. If Brentford does anyhow, we move on to the next player on the list. We should not overpay for Brentford and Wolves players abeg.

odizeey:
Same person saying the wallet is dry is the one still saying we are buying from the likes of Brentford.

God abeg o

I don’t have any issues going for Brentford players as long as we don’t overpay, because there are no funds. All our acquisitions this summer will be funded by stringent cash savings, debt or payment arrangements which is still debt. So there is little room for transfer mistakes.

CapitalCee:
Heeebehehehehhehehe. Nitrogen na my person na, i know where his arguments are also tending to. Him de find loophole. But for the sake of people like Nitrogen, I just hope We don’t drop out of top 4 next season at any point or Amorim is toast. 🤣🤣

Haaa, I have lowered expectations for next season o. Amorim should try to qualify for Europa and go for one of FA or Carabao cups. But we need to see a huge improvement starting from match day 1.

afrodoc:
If we buy Mbeumo for 60m and he flops now I hope the usual suspects will apportion some blame to club ownership and management as well.

No be coach dey negotiate or approve transfer fee and salary o.

I will blame manager, ownership and management this time. Thank God it’s not the Glazers calling the shot this time.

Jamiuokolaa:
• 60m for a Brentford player whose current contract expires next summer

• The decision to offer him a significant wage hike (he is currently on 45k/week)

Let's just be patient. He would come good and there wouldn't be need to revisit these

Yep. The whole thing seems sketchy plus if this was 5 years ago, I wouldn’t complain. Right now, the wallet is freaking dry, no chance for mistakes.

CapitalCee:
So who do you want?

We should not buy that guy for 60m. I don’t care how many goals he scored last season, the guy fit get here no see chances at all due to many reasons.

CapitalCee:
Among the First XI that started for Liverpool vs Spurs in the UCL final. Or those subbed in.
Joel Matip for free from Shalke 04 who finished 10th in Bundesliga.
VVD from Southampton.
TAA from the Academy.
Robertson from relegated Hull city.
Jordan Henderson from Sunderland.
Wijnaldum from relegated Newcastle.
Firminho feom Hoffienham who finished 15th in Bundesliga the season Liverpool bought him.
Mane from Southampton
Shaqiri from Stoke city, Joe Gomez from Charlton.

Frattessi that scored the Winning goal for Inter against Barca in the UCL semis was bought this season from second division team Sassualo.

Rooney was from Everton, Valencia was from Wigan, Vander sar from Fulham, Vidic from Spartak Moscow, Carrick got relegated with West ham 2 years prior to winning the league with Man Utd, Tevez was relegated with West ham a season before winning EPL and UCL with us.

Your argument don fall yakata flat for ground 😭😭🤣

Valid points. I was just trying to say that some years ago, we wanted the best players in their positions from top clubs.

Anyways, we sha did not overpay for the guys you mentioned. Hoping we dont do so now because if the transfers don’t turn out well (God forbid, although history dey there), we would have wasted very scarce resources given our financial position now vs some years ago.

patrickmuf:
Is Cunha better than Mbeumo? I don't think so, I think Mbeumo is slightly better, but most importantly, they were key men in their respective clubs, meaning that they could do even better with a better supporting cast.

You seem to dismiss the signing as one that won't work out here for no just reason. If the signing of Mbeumo means we will not sign a CF then, I will understand why you have reservations and even I will do but it's not the case here at least from what the press is saying.

I don’t usually criticize players. So, forget about whatever agenda you think I have regarding any player. Na crime to get a bad feeling about one or two out of several transfers that we’ve had or will have?

My position is clear. A good manager will make a team of average players (with one or two superstars) succeed. We don’t need all 11 players to be the best. That’s why I am always targeting the manager as there has been no point where we had a below average (as in below top 7) team.

Btw, I remember how people all over celebrated most of ETH signings including dropping various formations and set ups with those players. If you can’t remember, ask Oasis. He was/is their leader! We go dey alright.

patrickmuf:
Some of you have written so many trashy things about Amorim that you are now praying the club has a disastrous transfer window so that we can go into the new season with the same set of players and record the same results, so that you can't be proven right...Let the man have his players, then we will be able to fairly judge him...

Nawa o. Na fight? Amorim will get his players. Although, I wanted him gone before the end of last season. The board did not sack him, so they must give him players. I just hope we are signing the right players for Amorim and/or any other person that might takeover from him. Because, there is no funds to waste. Our transfers must hit 7/10 in terms of quality, otherwise, this current wilderness will become our home!

afrodoc2:
But last week you were saying Mbeumo was a bad idea and that you would rather keep Rashford than sign him.

Larride no like to dey stay for one place. Everybody go dey alright sha.

patrickmuf:
I really don't understand him. As a fan, he should be happy the club is going after players who have shown they can do it in a team that's not all that. You Wolves and Brentford play and you easily notice that they don't have the best players to compete for top honors but then again, anytime you watch them, you notice Cunha and Mbeumo almost always show up no matter the opposition...That's why I am impressed...

Haha, Wolves and Brentford players should be our targets now? Issokay. I no get energy to argue today.

spillo1:
There's no where you will sign a winger coming on the back of a season after scoring 20league goals and providing 7assist in a top league like England for 40m. Sesko and ekitike with 13 and 14league goals in bundesliga are being prized for 70 to 80million. Let's be realistic for once.


As for his stats the upper season he had 9goals and 6 assist in 25games. Those are good stats for a winger at Brentford. What you will notice is constant progression and he might just be entering his prime.

Anyways, it’s a feeling. I hope I am wrong. Also, hoping we don’t overpay for him.

patrickmuf:
The quest to be the one that called it right is driving some of you nuts...On what basis is the potential signing of one of the best players in the league just this past season shitty?

Lol. Did I complain about the Cunha deal? You don’t know what you are saying.

spillo1:
Explain

Go and check his stats for seasons before the 24/25 season. If we want to go for a merc, we target established ones especially for 60m. This guy might underperform for us and we would be back to this point next summer.

I am hoping Amorim won’t have him replace Rasmus upfront or top strike him with Rasmus in a 3-5-2, because I don’t believe we will sign a new striker after getting Mbeumo and Cunha. Anyways, if we are to sign the guy, should be for max of 40m.

spillo1:
I expect this deal to be completed soon and then we move for a striker.

This is potentially a shitty deal.

Jamiuokolaa:
But Amorim that has decided to keep a player that is struggling to fit into his system would be spared if things go south?

The manager asked him not to leave and the club has also decided to also support the manager by keeping him (Bruno).

I believe Amorim has a solution to the Bruno Puzzle, hence his decision to keep him.

For the record, abi? Nice!

Trevor012:
Those same Vitinha and Neves will come to Portugal and play nonsense like they did against Denmark almost denying Ororo a trophy. They better bring their A game against Germany. I won't be surprised if Germany ragdoll Portugal with those two.

I tire o. The same players are now the best in the world, when we all know that the manager is the real deal. I have said this 1 million times, a good manager will make an average team play good football while a bad manager will require 11 Aliens to perform.

Ellexy:
I still have and will always have reservations about any formation that starts with 3 at the back.

Same here. Just does not sit well with me.

CrystalTiger:
The problem is getting £100m for Bruno would require spending equal or higher amount to replace his numbers..See how much Liverpool are paying for Wirtz.. Bruno's numbers are insane plus his constant availability, in the current market, we get that money, we'll need to spend it to replace his numbers..

And this recruitment thing is where the problem lies for this club, WE HAVE TO STOP BUYING PLAYERS FOR A MANAGER AND START BUYING FOR MANCHESTER UNITED..That's why our rebuilding is taking a lifetime to complete..Buy for Mourinho, Buy for Ole, Buy for ETH and now Buy for Amorim, wash, rinse and repeat.. Never ending black hole..

Are you kidding? They said Amorim needs his players na.

Realtord43:
This is so wrong bro.

You think been nominated for premier league manager of the season is a joke?

Leave him to wallow in his agenda na.

Trevor012:
League table since the wolves coach was appointed. Amorim and his useless supporters are just saying nonsense to defend their fraud 😂😂

Neckpressing!

adisaaowala:
Why do I have a feeling that this "great" is more of "no excuses" next season

Yes na, it’s a fantastic one!

Leyqute:
This is what I was talking about.

We have to recruit for Man United, not for Ruben Amorim.

This is great. At least we now know that Dorgu is the standard for the type of players needed at UTD, especially in terms of athleticism.

Lana1:
It was only 4 points then because it was 9 games into the season. And the joke's on you if you thought we would have closed the gap and not continue slipping down because it was just 4 points. In case you have forgotten, we lost to West Ham the week ETH was sacked. Go back and look at the chances Dalot and Garnacho missed in that game.

And I wont answer your question because it's a dumb question as teams cant switch squads in the middle of the season

Lol. You are just coming up with unreasonable arguments and reasons for Amorim’s failure. It’s sad!

Re: my questions, it’s a hypothetical scenario which is also a way of saying if Amorim had moved to say Wolves, what would have been the results? But you are blind to it because of your blind support for Amorim. Kontinu!

Lana1:
If we were better, we wont be finishing behind those teams and level on points with Wolves. We were 14th when ETH was sacked and 15th at the end of the season. This is a team that has been on a downward trajectory since ETH's first season.

We are struggling in scoring goals with the attackers we have. Get in better attackers and a striker and we'll score more goals and win more games. There's no hope there. Just common sense

Don’t make it look like things were that bad before ETH left. 14th position with 3 points to top 4 is way different from 15th with 27 points from top 4. Not justifiable at all.

Btw, you still have not answered my questions? Are you suggesting that if we had swapped squad with those other teams, Amorim would have done better?

CapitalCee:
Mourinho won the league with Fabragas at Chelsea with The highest assists in the league. Fabregas was still really good at Chelsea.
Pedro was really really good that season, I am 100% sure.

You have not answered my question. What happened to the same players after Conte left?

akwesenana:
Who replaced Carrick?

Brah, we are saying the same thing.

patrickmuf:
This guy, you dey amaze me...How on earth is Osimhen a mercenary?

Who said we should sign established players? Asking that we get players that don't treat the ball like a bomb is not asking that we go sign world beaters...You guys just make things up in your head and run with it...

Well Established/top player is another word for Mercenaries. Two seasons ago, you guys said we needed to rebuild with a younger squad and stop signing viruses/mercs like Pogba, Lukaku Mhiki, etc. Now that the experiment has failed mostly on the back of getting an inexperienced manager, we should go back to Mercs so our so called saviour can succeed.

Trevor012:
Gbam

De gea to Onana, now the replacement needs to be replaced

Mctominay to Ugarte now the replacement needs to be replaced

One even said we have not replaced Carrick. Imagine, after all the replacements of several replacements.

Oasis007:


.....nope! Don't be a pessimist cos ain't gonna come back to wail, rather to hail the moves. Guess what?! Replacements will do wonder and perform incredibly well.

Naso you dey do jare. Every year, you hail the moves and still say we need to replace the replacements.