₦airaland Forum

victorDanladi:
OBI doesn't represent any real change but the same old corrupt system.whoever believe the Atiku and ojukwu mentee represent a real change needs his head examined.what has Anambra changed too?,what differentiate OBI from Atiku in term of principle and loyalty...OBI that has spent his life jumping from one party to the other.
OBI is going back to PDP before 2027.

That line only works for children born in 2000s and ethnoreligious bigot,not a thinking independent matured Adult

victorDanladi:
Its not hunger, if its hunger ther3 are better candidate like dumebi and sowete that fit the bill.

Hunger is just a decoy,coverup and whitewashing tool

Jorussia:
It's obvious d audio is real.Peter Obi was banking on Christian votes and pmb governance failures to win d last presidential
elections.Unfortunately for him,he nv knew that an average yoruba christian outside lagos will always choose tribe,competency ahead of
religion. Tinubu is d only candidate that nv used religion to campaign in d last election. At least 30% of votes for BAT,came from d people
of Christian faith. I don't doubt d ability of BAT
to deliver as president based on his past performance as the governor of Lagos. I am
only concerned about his health.

ProphetM0hammad:
How did he do that?

Tinubu just picked a politician who he felt would give him the needed support from the north

KwuoteYourFada:
You're not bright at all


What will you call a Muslim Muslim ticket in a multi religious country like Nigeria?


Fvcking Hypocrite you are!

Tue!

LKTJ123:
So are you saying GVR is more competent than Sanyo-Olu?? Something is wrong with you upstairs.

victorDanladi:
Peter OBI movement is not NATIONAL but ethnireligious although more of religious.The driving force behind that movement is the fear of Muslim Muslim ticket,a Muslim succeeding Muslim and a quest for an Igbo president!

ProphetM0hammad:
Where did they vote obi massively in the north and west?
Apart from about 4 states where he was able to invoke the religion factor

aljharem:
I love this discussion.

Firstly Obi movement became an Igbo agenda when after Obi won Lagos, social media and the streets where abashed with Igbos saying "Lagos is no man's land" etc. A lot of inciting statements

Second GVR was also a problem to Obi with his past utterances which smart politicians capitalized on

Rather than building bridges, some elements kept on insulting Yorubas forgetting that for igbos to be have a shot at presidency, you need the support of either yorubas or hausas. You cannot do it alone

Your closest allies are yorubas but some of you are quick to insult and ridicule them. Contrary to some believes yorubas are very liberal and to a fault that people think they are stupid. Well infact they are very smart people.

I am not saying yorubas don't have their fault too but igbos need to do better honestly.

Words are like eggs, once broken, it cannot be a full shelled egg again.

emperorlaqrin:
I would have loved to engage this person honestly however since you tagged his post I would just address all the points he has made.

Yea I respect his views because we are all entitled to our views and we all see things in different opinions but honestly I don’t think we are been fair with one another in this country hence the level of injustice we all support and this last election has definitely shown that majority of us either from the Igbo or Yoruba are hypocritical with our views.

As a Yoruba man who has lived in the North, whose majority of allies and friends are igbos , married to an Igbo and definitely have several personal relationships with my Yoruba people I had always said to people who cared to listen to me that Yorubas are the worst ethnic group among them all while Hausa will forever be the best. Yes my view is based on my personal relationships with this three majority groups and another person own could be otherwise so I respect that. having said this let me address some of the points.

1. On his first point the level of voters education and awareness on the need to vote in this last election is much than the previous elections where majority of the voters were party men/women and few people who still had believe in the electoral system hence the reason you will see according to records it’s only a few fractions that comes out to vote in Nigeria and this is the only time Youths came out because most are now aware that the only way bad governance can be changed is through there votes. So what changed voters education was the difference and the majority that voted in this election were just tired of the direction country is heading.

2. My questions are why blame some for capitalizing on a loophole and praise another person for also doing same ?

Where is the fairness in a political party and candidate that forgot Nigeria as a circular country needs to practice what she preaches. Where is the principle of federal character when a candidate opted for a vice that was from his same religion. He aligned with what was best for him that could give him the chance of winning. So where is the fairness in that ? Or how did peter obi capitalize or create whatever the writer termed “hate”.

Apc chose a strategy and LP capitalized on the game plan created by APC so I don’t see why we should be biased with our judgments because in all honesty if ApC had chosen a Christian vice, we won’t have been discussing all this.

3. This writer first statement in the third paragraph is some of the issues we are having anyway atleast his own abuse is constructive not some supporters who resorts into abuse, attack, insult and curses but I am going to say this first everyone who followed this election very well knows inside him and her that the massive support for peter obi was not about religion or tribe only if we want to keep on deceiving ourselves. Prior to the election people were tired and I can say it out rightly that a lot of people like me didn’t know who to support prior to obi emergence.

The support he receives from someone like me is not because I see him as the messiah, Yes I don’t see him performing extra ordinarily also but just for one reason which is how frugal he his to finance. Thats the kind of president we need at this period because the level of debts and corruption in this country is way too much to allow other candidates emerge. Anyway Someone has been announced and we can only pray for the best.

Now on the issue of Lagos is a No mans Land this is the only place I would agree with the writer because honestly The ApC capitalized on this word and used it against Labour Party and that gave APC a clear victory even before the election.

However my point on this is that we only allowed a political party create enmity among ourselves by using the tactics of divide and rule. My point is that even without the word claimed to have emanated from Igbos sanwoolu would still have won the election even though he and the party were jittery hence the reason for adopting all means in winning the election. So my take on this is that it was Just a propaganda that igbos wants to take over Lagos.

On the issue of sanwoolu victory I disagree with the writer because we only showed how tribalistic we are by intimidating, threatening, disenfranchising or fellow citizen from supporting his or her choice due to some fallacies that was spread by a political party just to make it seems that a tribe wants to take over there land. Where is the justice in disenfranchising your fellow country man ? What is the essence of the voters education, what is the essence of the billion spent? Anyway the enjoyment we all receive most especially in Lagos is that we all continue to have voters apathy because more people will be disinterested in 2027 election

So the writer has admitted in the last paragraph that all the propaganda spread was not initiated by obi nor majority of his teeming supporters but just by a fraction of few he tagged headless mob which we all know who they are just because of politics.

Lastly the notion that majority are spreading are that obi supporters are mainly Igbo is very wrong because the man his recognized by other ethnic group as well.

Ire ooo

victorDanladi:
CHRISTIAN YOUTH.,...his movement gained more momentum when Osinbajo lost to Tinubu, it gained a greater momentum when Tinubu didn't only choose a Muslim VP but shettima.


Then who wanted a clean bla bla,you mean the person that installed Obiano and wanted to unseat him for reason best known to him,you meant the person that jumped from APGA to PDP to LP desperately chasing political relevance?...I now know the reasons why most OBIdients are children...I don't see any difference between OBI and his boss Atiku

You can't deceive us

efficiencie:
The APC tricksters tricked the Obidients into playing the tribal card and they fell for it. Peter Obi is not an evil genius and he wasn't prepared to win at all cost. If he was ready to play the game he would have blocked APC's strategy to use tribalism. He would have hired a group of Igbos and paid them to vehemently denigrade, insult and reject him on all social media platforms whilst promoting non-igbo voices supporting him (like some agberos). We all know that the eastern vote was locked down already so even with the fake opposing voices in the east he woul have still won the east. The problem was the West and South South. This strategy would have given the gullible public the view that he is not a tribalist as his own people are antagonizing him. Secondly, if Peter Obi thought he won't be rigged out of the game, then he is a fool. He should have put in place a contigency plan for this. Either to mobilize resources to counter-rig or to use drones to capture footage of rigging in progress to be used as evidence in court if he loses. Then he should have planted moles in every electoral office to either counter-rig or collect evidence relevant for suing the winner.
Third, Peter Obi would be an even greater fool if he lets his political momentum die with this election irrespective of the final outcome. Right now Peter Obi should have a dedicated website for mobilizing the youths in the country to carry out strategic coordinated action. These actions could include: coordinated national protests in conjunction with TUC, NLC, etc; fundraising to setup a foundation that addresses common problems faced by the youths and strengthening youths participation as community agents monitoring developments on the ground and drafting a long term strategy. He should avoid tagging with Atiku and the PDP they are bad market and he should immediately evolve into an activist if the worst happens and he doesn't reclaim his mandate.

Peter Obi must learn from Tinubu. Tinubu did not start planning today. Tinubu has been scheming for decades. The time has come for those who mean well for this country to "out-scheme" the evil schemers in the country.

MrBiGGEST:
I disagree, the whole movement have been an ethnic and religious movement.
Even tho that might not be the intention.

inforesource:
Up till now I have been wondering why this Obidient movement was suddenly made to look like an igbo movement or igbo quest for presidency.

Unfortunately, the igbo then played along and now even after the nonsense called elections, the propaganda by APC keep building momentum and tagging everything igbos.

If I can remember the first time I was made to pioneer the OBIDIENT movement in my area, I booked appointment with the igbo president and his excos. I was shocked to my bones the responses I got. I was so disappointed by them because they didn't believe in the movement and they told me point blank that they were supporting APC.

I didn't waste much of my time with them and I drove off. I never got back to them and decided to work with non Indigenes, which I was part, who shared in the vision and the movement.

It was later I was told that they were ready to meet with us but it was too late a time. So, where did the OBIDIENT movement made igbos movement?

We only needed a shift from this corrupt politicians and to give this nation a hope.

On Monday, copies of a petition filed by Peter Obi, the Labour Party presidential candidate, challenging the victory of Bola Tinubu, the presidential candidate of the All Progressives Congress (APC) who was declared president-elect by the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) after the election held on February 25, surfaced online.

Obi, among other prayers, wants the Court of Appeal to disqualify Tinubu over his alleged conviction in the US in 1993 for drug dealing.

Obi’s petition held that Tinubu “was fined $460,000 for an offence involving dishonesty, namely narcotics trafficking imposed by the United States District Court, Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division, in case no:93C 4483″.

This prayer has generated much debate among supporters and opposers of the president-elect. While some say his forfeiture of the sum did not prove conviction or perpetration of a crime, others opine that a crime was committed, leading to the forfeiture.

FIJ has now found an earlier ruling in which Olukayode Ariwoola, the current Chief Justice of Nigeria (CJN), while serving as a Supreme Court justice, ruled that forfeiture meant “the loss of a right, privilege or property because of a crime”.

MOHAMMED ABACHA V FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF NIGERIA (2014)


Olukayode Ariwoola, CJN
When the Federal High Court, the Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court all agree on one ruling, it most definitely is iron-clad. Two of the justices who passed the verdict at the Supreme Court also went on to become the Chief Justice of the country at different times.

This was the case on January 17, 2014, when Ariwoola delivered judgement in a case between Mohammed Abacha, the second child of Sani Abacha, a former head of state, and the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

On the seven-man panel of justices was Walter Onnoghen, a former CJN.


Walter Onnoghen, former CJN
Abacha was challenging an appeal court judgement delivered on April 18, 2005.

The Federal Government, through the Attorney-General of the Federation (AGF), had charged Abacha to court.

The charges relate mainly to the offence of conspiracy, receiving stolen property, dishonesty and concealing stolen money, all pursuant to sections 97(i), 317 and 319 of the Penal Code.

After the High Court and the Appeal Court found Abacha guilty, it fell to justices Ariwoola, Onnoghen, Muhammad Muntaka-Coomassie, Fabiyi, Suleiman Galadima, Nwali Ngwuta and Kudirat Kekere-Ekun to have the final word on the matter.


ARIWOOLA’S RULING

“The appellant is the second son of late General Sani Abacha who was the Head of State and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. While in office between 17th November, 1993 and 8th June, 1998 the appellant’s father was alleged to have instructed one Alhaji Ismaila Gwazo, who was then National Security Adviser to the Head of State to apply for various sums of monies to be withdrawn from the Central Bank of Nigeria for ‘security reasons,'” Ariwoola ruled.

“The late General Abacha approved the said various sums. In the result, the sum of $1,568,48317.03 and £416,472,000 were withdrawn from the Central Bank of Nigeria through the appellant and one Abubakar Atiku Bagudu into their private foreign accounts in various countries. The said funds were delivered to the late General by Alhaji Gwarzo while the appellant collected from his father and transferred same to Abubakar Atiku Bagudu who carried the money abroad and lodged into their said various foreign bank accounts where the appellant and Bagudu were the only signatories.

“The said monies lodged in the foreign accounts were still in the accounts when the above charges were filed and the accounts were frozen.

“Upon the demise of General Sani Abacha, General Abdulsalam Abubakar came into power. His government lasted up till 29th May, 1999 when after a general election, he handed over power to the civilian Head of Government – Chief Olusegun Obasanjo. During the period General Abdusalam Abubakar was in office, he set up a Special Investigation Panel to look into activities of the administration of late General Sani Abacha. The said panel was to investigate and recover monies illegally acquired by Public Officials and their agents.

“The panel investigated part of the case and recovered monies, properties and assets which led to the promulgation of forfeiture of assets, etc. (Certain Persons) Decree No. 53 of 1999. By the said decree, both the appellant and his father, the late General forfeited their assets to the Federal Government. The said forfeited assets are contained in the schedule to the Decree. The panel was still investigating when the military handed over power to civilian administration of Chief Obasanjo which continued the investigation and recovery. The recovery and forfeiture led the Hon. Attorney General of the Federation to file the four criminal charges (supra) against the appellant and Abubakar Atiku Bagudu.

“The appellant and Abubakar Atiku Bagudu filed various interlocutory applications the last of which was a Motion on Notice dated 28th March, 2001 in which they prayed for the suspension of consideration of the application and delivery of its ruling thereof by the trial court and to refer to the Court of Appeal three questions of law.

“Notwithstanding the objection to the reference, by the respondent, the trial court granted the application on 9th April, 2001 and referred the following questions pursuant to Section 295(2) of the 1999 Constitution.”

Abacha’s argument was that he forfeited the sums in compliance with the decree, and not as a punishment for committing a crime. Ariwoola and the six other judges disagreed. He sought indemnity.

Ariwoola’s ruling further read, “The whole purpose of this ad hominem legislation, as clearly stated in Section 1 of the Decree, was to recover from the persons named therein properties and monies acquired corruptly and illegally by them. Bearing in mind that in interpreting a statute, the court must avoid absurdity it is necessary to juxtapose the term ‘forfeiture’ with ‘indemnity’ to ascertain the intention of the lawmaker. Black’s Law Dictionary, 8th edition at page 677 defines ‘forfeiture’ thus:

The divestiture of property without compensation.
The loss of a right, privilege or property because of a crime, breach of obligation or neglect of duty.” It goes on to say ‘title is instantaneously transferred to another, such as the govt., a corporation or a private person’. Therefore forfeiture connotes punishment for a crime committed and its effect is instantaneous. ‘Indemnity’ is defined at page 784 (supra) as
A duty to make good any loss, damage or liability incurred by another.
The right of an injured party to claim reimbursement for its loss, damage or liability from a person who has such a duty…’ ‘Indemnity’ and ‘forfeiture’ are clearly diametrically opposed to one another. A person who has forfeited property on the basis of a crime cannot be entitled to indemnity. Forfeiture is a form of punishment. There is no indemnity in our criminal procedure.”

When FIJ called a former member of the Nigeria Bar Association (NBA)’s leadership, he said Tinubu’s case was quite different. This lawyer said the peculiarities of the case would need the court to determine if the US court’s ruling had relevance in Nigeria.

according to Section 137 (e) of the 1999 Constitution as amended, a presidential candidate can be disqualified if within a period of less than 10 years before the date of the election to the office of the president, he was convicted and sentenced for an offence involving dishonesty or found guilty of violating the code of conduct.

Monday Ubani, a former Vice President of the NBA, told FIJ that this section meant that any other candidate in the election could bring the matter up before a tribunal if a candidate was running for office before the 10-year period was over.

He, however, refused to comment on Obi’s petition as it was pending in court.

Tinubu’s forfeiture happened 30 years ago, and falls well outside the 10-year period as stipulated in section 137.

It remains to be seen how the court would rule on the matter.

naijainstinct:
Agreed that this policy was a very big stain on the APC government. It was not well thought out at all. However, Tinubu saw this and called his party out in a very bold move. Peter Obi however said the policy was great. He should have just kept mute.

naijainstinct:
I think this assumption is wrong. Banks make huge profits. Their IT infrastructure should be their responsibility, not that of the government.

Babaibe:
He won his wife in the bedroom. Not Nigeria election. Even Labour Party computation on irev shows Tinubu won. Reason LP petition is mainly about Tinubu and Shetimma's disqualification. Reason Mr Peter Obi is not talking much about election rigging because most evidences on rigging are pointing to LP and their eastern state. All he could said is that Tinubu had a drug case in US, and he should be disqualified on that platform. Thus, calling for rerun between him and Atiku. Obi has no mandate. He is a colossal failure. Tinubu won clearly.

Babaibe:
Obi supported Emefuile policy against suffering Nigerians. He felt the cashless policy will make him win the election through empathy without any reasonable plan. God is bigger than man. The true identity of Peter Obi and his gang is known to every Nigerian now. Incitement to work hss way to power. Peter Obi is a rogue and Pathological liar.

Creeper:
That place needs to be knocked down and used for something useful.

These people are too clannish. They also hate one another. Only 10% for Abia and Ebonyi but Anambra, Enugu and Imo can enjoy 30% each. Zero for non-Igbos and fake Igbos in Delta and Rivers.

Get that trash off Yoruba land. The trash is a dumping ground for foreign goods and part of what’s killing local industries in Yoruba land. It’s worthless - let them take their trash to Igboland.

Aldol:
Another trash

jumper524:
yea maybe that's the same reason the southeast is out of Nigeria presidential equation cos they pose the lowest voting strength.
If my comment sounds abnormal to anyone, yours shouldn't sound normal to them either.

Invictuse:
If you are not mad tell us just one aspect of governance Peter Obi did beta than Tinubu in their 8 years as governor

Babaibe:
Peter Obi is a colossal failure. A greedy man who has no idea on good and sustainable policy. He endorsed this policy together with his partner in defeat, Atiku Abubakar. Only one man stood as true Nigerian. A symbol of excellence and the only one with the right resume to lead Nigeria. President-elect, Bola Ahmed Tinubu. Wait till may 29 and you will see the dividends of democrazy. Government of the people, the only man with a listening ear. Every policy not favoring the poor masses will be reversed. From the new note policy, boarder policy and insurgency will be properly addressed. Afterwhich Obedient can choose if they want to continue killing themselves in their shithole eastern state.

naijainstinct:
let's leave sentiments and politics aside, was this your take when Obi said Nigerians will reap the gain? And in your opinion, what gain do you think Nigerians have reaped so far from this policy?

Benwallt:
He has never failed. Not even once. Obi is used to failure

Aldol:
Trash