Deep Sight:

I have often had the feeling that being the owner of this forum you would be the repository of all the wisdom and foolishness that has herein passed. It appears that you are the repository of the latter, but not of the former.

I was about to respond to that, then I saw your post you just made my week. lol

I laugh in japanese. No offence, but Seun's response was absolutely dumb.

omooba-nla:
plz,moderator Help me push these news forward. The Bible says Heaven help Those who help Their Self.

where in the bible did you read this from?

nike4luv: something like that. When Seun was in a really good mood

are u still alive?

long time, whats up?

brilliant . . . .why did it take so long?

mazaje: Not sure. But I can tell you what religion has done to humanity. And it is not pretty.(Joke)

But seriously, atheism is not a position that is intended to lead to something else. Atheism is a conclusion. What you need to ask about is the system that atheism is concluded FROM. You need to ask "What has rational, skeptical thought that is free from dogma and indoctrination contributed to humanity"?

please save the gospel and simply answer the OP question. what conclusion is atheism? conclusion based on what evidences? how rational is it to dismiss the notion that intelligence begets intelligence? . . . .that aint rational

buzugee: all they do is eat, s-h-i-t, fork and sleep. thats the atheists purpose in life. no higher purpose

seconded

dekung:
What is the purpose of a volanic eruption, tsunami, huricane, floods, earth quake, mudslide and solar flares etc. While thee phenomenon have known causes, their purpose to life or otherwise is still in question. When this things occur they cause great destruction but afterwards some of them give rise to scenic landforms can we then say that their purpose is to create land forms?

lol, yours is a lousy argument. By purpose, I refer to the matrix of this material existence. It is inconceivable that all of this came out of nothing (nothing means without a super-intelligence). Hence, the purpose of creation in lieu of the complexity of the solar system, universe and other factors is far beyond the scope of our collective intelligence. Science has been humble enough to admit this.

Logic Mind: Any evidence will change my "postulations".

By evidence, I mean irrefutable proof. Not some silly statement like I breath so god must exist.

So please give me one simple evidence.

From the above, I guess you are responsible for your breathing right?

mazaje:

I wish there was a heaven to go to. . .Personally I will like to go to the muslim heaven, it sounds interesting and captivating, but its all fictitious and imaginary. . .

so you are actually keen on allah's 72 virgins? lol

antartica: The sun in its majestic opulence gives us light and to the sun we owe our existence.If there is any god that deserves worship,it is the sun because as long as the sun shines,the plants will grow,the flowers will bloom,the rivers will flow,the oceans will roar,the body will warm amd life will thrive.

and you think that the sun designed or created itself? is it a form of superstition to probe the origin of the sun? . . .please tell me, how did the sun come to being a light giver?

mazaje:

I don't want to go to heaven. . .besides heaven is an imaginary place. . . .

so where do you want to go to when you die?
Suppose you die and realise that heaven and hell are real and not imaginary, would you still want to go to heaven?

antartica:

but can you prove otherwise just by saying let there be light?

how do u intend to measure the abilities of he who said "Let there be light"?

Sister fatie: @wirenet very simple a thorough reading of the so called holy books the bible quran which are full of baseless, misogyny, homophobia, violence etc. And then the realization that throughout human history people have created gods to help them deal with situations they do not understand.

whaoo . . .so have you read the entire bible from Genesis to revelation before coming to that conclusion?

mazaje:

No, I don't think satan exist. . .When i die i will like to be buried. . .But will like do donate my important organs like heart and brain for brain research. . .I do engage in naming ceremonies. . . .No body will officiate my child's naming ceremony. . . .

Donating your organs does not mean u will make heaven

mazaje: The society has laid down rules about what is good and what is bad, I try to live by them. . .Those I feel are not good for me i discard. . .I cry to friends, family or people in authority when am in need of help or in danger. . .There are times that I mess up and just face the music of my bad decisions. .I thank people around that assisted me, if i did it all alone then i feel good for my achievement. . .

sounds like a theory book on atheism. The truth is that day to day life leaves gap of questions that demand answers. These answers include the question marks on our individual consciences about right or wrong and the origin of life as a whole. Whether you acknowledge the need for a creator or not, you would at least acknowledge that there has to be a purpose behind this material world.

Sister fatie: @op
1-as long as what i do doesn't harm someonelse then its not wrong e.g gay sex.
2-i don't cry to any body when i'm in trouble i do my best not to make mistakes, but when i do itry to correct them or face the music.
3- same answer as no 2 i thank the person who aided the event or i cogratulate myself for a job well done.

1. atheism has long been identified as a mechanism through which people choose to be non accountable. Gay sex is wrong and bad. Good and bad are written on our individual consciences. Justifying your peccadilloes does not make it right.

2. No 2 is a nice one. but trust me, when you feel helpless and know that there is no help anywhere far or near, you would appreciate the power of prayers.

3. Acknowledgement is good. but how about thanking the giver of life?

antartica:

Faith in me yes.As an educated mind that you porport to be,you should by now know that the whole universe is made up of carbon materials that emanates from exploding dead stars roaming in the billions of galaxies up there that are factual and visible to the proving minds.

My question now is,if you and i just like diamond,gold,iron and all the natural resources you can think of are made of carbon,what makes you then you think there is a special place in heaven for you to see god,while you use resources like gold and diammond to adorn yourself while alive?Will the diamonds go to heaven?will god save the diamond soul like you,since both of you are made of the same material?

The problem with maan is that he likes to see himself as the centre of the universe,while he is not even up to a drop of water in ocean in comparisism with the things around him,he likes to see the universe in his eyes and believe that every thing is created and to evolve around him.

Do you ever wonder what the trees thinks?What the oceans think? Or is it just you that think because you think so?

1. So you have faith in yourself? huh? so whats the difference between you and the religious bigots you repeatedly desecrate?

2. what is the source of those carbons materials? which organisms constitute the first set of dead stars through which the pioneer carbons were made?

3. you have to concede that there is a lot that science does not know.

musKeeto:
The physical implies 'rules' that apply to everyone no matter their spiritual disposition e.g planting a seed, giving birth, using your brains.

The obvious question is how did the physical get there? what's the source of the physical? where did seeds originate from? who were the first parents to reproduce?
where did the brains originate from? dont mention evolution . . .if u do, the question is, where did the pioneer elements that kick started evolution come from?

Your notion of the physical is an illustration of taking face-value events without the need for probing evidences, unfortunately this is not enough to prove the basis of your atheistic convictions.

harakiri:

Well, you could start by showing credible proof that the biblical "God" you worship is indeed the creator of earth and mankind as we know it (without referring to the bible of course). As you well know, defending Christianity with the bible is as dumb as defending Christmas with Santa Claus!

Before I show the credible proof at my disposal, I would like to ask . .. are u conceding that the earth has a creator? It seems like your post only requests for the identity of that creator . . .

harakiri:
Be original for once in your brainwashed religious life and answer the simple question squarely without beating about the bush.

I am the realist person around here. do i really come across as brainwashed? I laugh in german

plaetton: @noetic16.
You opened up a thread for discussion and so early in the debate you are already getting personal by refereing to someone as ignorant and an ignoramus. That is very immature. I guess I gave you more credit than you deserved.
There is no point posting on this thread.

I did not mean to unearth you, I am an old timer on NL. Ignoramus is usually used here to imply that one has a superior a superior argument to the other. It has in that context lost its insultive connotation. Non-the-less I do apologise. I only highlighted the difference in our submissions. My statement is equivalent to yours that suggested that theists do not understand atheism.

did u say immature? I laugh in arabic (Thats another NL parlance)

Your contributions are welcome regardless of whether or not we disagree.

plaetton: Change one's mind about what?
Shockingly, most so-called theists just dont understand athiesm. You still hold firmly that athiesm is either a competing religion or some kind of rebellion against something or someone. Speaking for myself and perhaps a few other athiests, the truth is that we have long transcended that level of reasoning, so its way beyond changing one's mind. Using my children examples,while they crawling, we tried everything to encourage them to stand walk because they were afraid of falling. So it took a while and lots of encouragements to get them to stand firmly and walk without handholding. When their courage was strong enough and their footings strong enough,they walked , ran and explored their environment with their newfound abilties. It became more difficult to get them to sit down.I doubt very very much If I could ever convince them with whatever new evidence that crawling on four limbs was the best thing for them.
Do you think it is possible?

And your reference to healing an amputee through prayer, What exactly does that mean? Do you mean using prayer to make the linbs grow back or do you mean walking normaly without limbs. Pls explain.

1. Perhaps, you are the party guilty of ignorance here. Atheism rightly denotes the denouncement of religion whose central point is the existence of a deity. Atheism asserts the non-existence of a creator/God.

2. You are either a logical or emotional atheist. If your basis of your disbelief cannot be constructed within the limits of human intelligence, then there is no basis for your belief. Your children example does not add up, it has no basis in this discourse. Your children crawl and walk by natural instinct. However if you choose to disregard the notion that intelligence begets intelligence, it must be either because you have a superior argument/evidence or you are simply an ignoramus.

3. The amputee healing assertion was simply to humour mazaje, I am sure he understands

musKeeto: Loss of brain cells and reason, I suspect. If someone finds the physical works well for him, the physical may have to collapse in order to force him seek a solution from the 'unseen'

how does the physical work well? being financially buoyant or what?

antartica:

That is not the basis of my beliefs,i don't call myself atheist because i am well above that.I just think that everything thing that exist exist within me and if there is anything like god it is in me,for the simple fact that i am conscious.And that is where it ends,consciousness.

There is nothing factual about your assertion.

There is also no evidence to support your postulations, hence we can state that what you have here is a BELIEF that requires FAITH.
There is evidently no difference between your belief and those of other religions, cos u both require FAITH

antartica: She must be really thrilled to learn that some people are not into god.Growing in hard up without god is almost imaginable and abomidable,because it is country where NOTHING is ever certain,even keeping to time(puntuality) requires the power of god instead of mere discipline and plans.

Talk about cleaning the streets to save the people from preventable diseases that sometimes make them hallucinate and start seeing demons and witches,hence their need for god.

religious people who are unfortunately illiterates does not excuse atheism. There is a God, this is easily justified by the intelligence behind the creation matrix.

if people living by religious superstitions is the basis of your atheistic beliefs, then it tells a lot about your person.

mazaje, where art thou?

Atheists assert that there is no God. Usually they lean on science, logic or supposedly superior arguments to assert their claims.

but lets for one minute assume that atheists/atheism is motivated by lack of answers or superstition or evidence as they claim and that science has an answer to everything, what would change in the face of science or evidences available to change your atheistic postulations?

obviously the physical healing of an amputee would not change the mind of someone like mazaje, simply because you can tell that mazaje's atheism is motivated by emotions. somewhere along the line, he prayed for something extremely important, it did not happen, he didnt bother to find out God's opinion, he just concluded that there is no God. The same story applies to a million other atheists on the face of the earth, who probably had a loved one on a sick bed dying of an incurable disease only for them to pray and still yet the person died, hence they concluded that there is no God.

Obviously, these people are misguided as they have no understanding of prayer, God, Jesus, Salvation, Miracles or Christianity. Their mental orientation involves the belief that God is like alaadin jinn, who you simply call on at any time of the day for whatever u want. is this what the scriptures teach? So we had misguided half-baked christians, with unChristlike desires suddenly bitter and professing atheism.

But the crux of the matter is that, since all atheists claim to be atheist due to prevailing evidences or lack of them to support the existence of a creator . ..the question is what evidence would suffice to change your mind? what evidence would change your present dogmatic belief?

This question is important because it allows us to separate emotional atheists from the logical ones. Logical ones lean on intelligence and idealism to argue their case and perhaps can be honest enough to admit the vulnerabilty of their argument.

so what would make you dump atheism?

Its not very objective to have a separate forum for atheists, considering that they claim to have a unique form of knowledge.
Its better this way, as this gives us the opportunity as theists to educate the obvious ignorance of atheists.

So @sister_fatie

are you an atheist? whats the basis of your atheistic postulation? what led you to this belief?

Martian:

This is the result of efficient and effective cultural imperialism. It's kind of funny. lmao

what you have here is an opinion influenced by inferiority complex. do u feel sick being black?

There are so many quotes in the bible that says that God lives in a dark cloud. an example is this.Exodus 20;21 The people stood far off, while Moses drew near to the thick darkness where God was. just like today the peeps of old were also afraid of the presence of a thick darkness,knowing that God lives in it and not the devil.

Exodus 20:21 spoke in the context of Moses approaching God's presence outside the camp where there was obviously no light.
But the question remains that how do u use pictures to describe this darkness or light to little kids?

@ chrishenzo

First I would like you to understand that I am not planninng to leave my religion or regretting my religion but there are things that wasn't so right which I believe someone put it there to suit themselves.

Yes the bible mentioned light and darkness but tell me, "what is the color of light? and what is the color of darkness? Why did the people that starts practicing religion associate their color to light so that it will suit them. What if you dye today and realise that the color of darkness is actually black? Is lightness has something to do with yellow skin? Please answer me

The logical thing here is to postulate a convincing alternative. You did not answer my poser. How do u make pictorial depictions of the presence and absence of God to little kids?

To answer your question . . .in this realm of limited material resources, light is best represented as WHITE. does this connote skin color or racism? Nah

@buguzee

get the fork outta here with this here crap. and dont come back to this site again neither

did i touch a nerve? go jump into the lagoon

brilliant brilliant brilliant!!!!!!!