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frosbel: I told you who Jesus is but you did not listen , He is the Son of GOD and Messiah.

Peter was asked the same question by Jesus void of any complex theological garbage, let's hear what he had to say :

"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Peter answered, "You are the Messiah." - Mark 8:29

"Then Nathanael declared, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the king of Israel." - John 1:49


I am sure these MEN who lived nearer in time to Jesus knew what they were talking about. smiley

You are using scriptures and jargons to cover up your blasphemy.
You said that

1. Jesus is NOT God but merely a man.

2. Jesus did NOT pre-exist prior to His human birth.

3. Jesus is not a part of the Godhead, hence no trinity.

These three assertions depict your ignorance of the personality of Jesus. They testify that you are also NOT saved. You only know biblical jargons and verses.

More importantly, if you deny the third person of the trinity (Holy Spirit), what assurance then do you have that you are truly a child of God? Since you cant see Jesus physically (He died 2000 years ago), who assures you then that you live in Christ and He lives in you?

He was the sinless Son of GOD , duh !!

In what way was He sinless? He healed people on the sabbath day Luke 13: 10-17, thus breaking the law of moses. His disciples also plucked food to eat on the sabbath day, again violating the laws of moses.
So tell me, how did your own Jesus, who was a mere man (according to you) become sinless, since He had violated the sabath day?

3 Persons cannot be 1 person, engage your brain , except it is on sabbatical.

God is ONE Person, only the antichrist will try to split the singular person of GOD into a blasphemous 3.

There is only ONE God, and he is the ancient of Days.

Your rant is acceptable if you accept that you are NOT a Christian.

Jesus came from of the bossom of the Father, to reconcile us with the Father, and as evidence of our salvation, He gave us the holy spirit to comfort and counsel us. Yet, you deny the divinity and pre-existence of Jesus and also deny the existence of the Holy Spirit. This leads to only one conclusion, you are NOT saved, you dont know Jesus and you are possessed by a lying spirit.

revealed in the person of Jesus. English comprehension anyone ? wink

I could not make sense of this. whats your point?

Can God have a God ? Think, use your grey matter and stop these emotional tantrums, the way your are going a heart attack is very close.

It was your type that killed the prophets, that killed and murdered thousand of Christians who rejected your pagan myths.

I can feel the demonic rage seething from underneath your false veneer of religious profession, you need to repent !!

1. These childish rant can ONLY come from an atheist who WALKS BY SIGHT and not by faith. How can you rationally understand God, except through faith in what has been revealed and more revelations from the Holy Spirit?

2. Jesus submitted to the will of the Father, none the less being GOD himself (Philippians 2:6, John 1)

3. What should I repent of? repent of rejecting your blasphemy?

4. You dont know Jesus, You dont know the Father, you dont the holy spirit. You are NOT saved but is possessed by a lying spirit sent to distort the church.

5. You cannot be saved and continue to utter the abominations that you do utter.

Alfa Seltzer: Maybe you should have just continued viewing.

Deluded ignoramuses like you, have continued to tempt me to come expose their ignorance

frosbel: And where does it say in the bible , that we are to understand the ontology, nature and origin of Jesus as a pre-requisite to salvation grin

What utter nonsense !!

Is this a joke? can there be a more daft statement?
You dont know who Jesus is, but you believe he died for you? really?
You dont know who Jesus is, but you believe he connects / reconciles you to GOD? really?
You dont know who Jesus is, but you believe that you would see him in heaven when you die? really?
You dont know who Jesus is, but you believe that he lives in you? really?

You are either deluded or confused. I'd like to think that you are possessed by a lying spirit which preaches a strange gospel.

frosbel: concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh - Romans 1:3

" This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:" - Matthew 1:1

" But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law "- Galatians 4:4


Jesus is a direct descendant of DAVID. Open your eyes wide and meditate on these scripture.

So based on the above, what qualifies Jesus to die for anyone's sins then, if he is just a man like you claim?

There is, and it is PAGAN in it's entirety. grin

Dude, I said that there was no doctrine. This is not a denial of reality. There is a Godhead with three persons. God the Father (unrevealed), God the Son (revealed as Jesus Christ) and the God the Holy Spirit (revealed by Christ as another comforter to all those who believe in Him).

No Jesus was not a spirit being, he was a MAN, by denying he was fully MAN you are actually anti-christ.

You are the ANTI-CHRIST and son of SATAN

1. John 1 boldly asserts that He is God revealed in the flesh.

2. All the apostles in the new testament testify of His divinity.

3. The book of revelation reveals Him as the beginning and the end. Yet you delusively state that he is a mere man.

This shows that
1. You are NOT saved. Since the foundation of your supposed salvation is heresy and falsehood.

2. You are possessed by a lying spirit, who denies the very essence of Christian salvation, which is Christ himself.

3. As you do not believe in the teachings of Christ . . . .you are NOT a Christian.

Incarnation is a pagan concept.

is this a joke or what? So John 1 was written by pagans?

I laugh in german.

frosbel: Only a Pharisee could have made the comment as per bolded, it borders on arrogance and pomposity.

Ignorance at its peak

frosbel: My salvation lies in my belief that Jesus is the Messiah and not some PAGAN Myth called Trinity.

1. Messiah of what? If you dispute his ontology, nature and origin, then it is IMPOSSIBLE for Him to have saved you from anything, more or less, from the wrath of GOD.

2. What do u understand by messiah? what has He saved you from? How is able to do it, without the many attributes of His that you deny? How can He save you from the wrath of God if he aint like GOD? Why didn't John the baptist, Isiah, Elijah, Moses or Elisha take up the role as messiah?

3. There is no trinity doctrine. God the Father was revealed all through the old testament and He promised that there would a rebuilding of the relationship with God after it was broken. Here comes Jesus, a spirit being, Godlike and from eternity, who incarnates as the Son of God (just like angels are sons of God), but in this sense, he is the only begotten. Meaning He is God in nature, essence, being and personality but has humbled himself to be like one of His creations. The evidence of your salvation in Christ is depicted as the sending of the Holy Spirit to dwell in you, guide and counsel you as an heir of the Father. Nobody asked you to worship the trinity. Worship and Follow Jesus as He is the only way to the father.

frosbel: as per bolded, no sister.

Jesus had one role and he was born for that purpose , he was not GOD and he is still not GOD , presently he sits on the right hand of his father.

"Pilate said, "So you are a king?" Jesus responded, "You say I am a king. Actually, I was born and came into the world to testify to the truth. All who love the truth recognize that what I say is true." - John 18:37

Who saved you? what is the basis of your salvation? what is the foundation of your salvation?

You are NOT saved, because you do NOT know CHRIST.

frosbel: mate , you are the one confusing yourself without performing a proper exegesis of scripture.

Stop posting random verses without understanding their true meaning.

Dude, please educate my ignorance . . . . .I have asked you the basis of your heresy in a series of questions. what do u understand by salvation? And can you provide an outline for your anti-Christ belief and doctrine? I am happy to expose your ignorance.

frosbel: "You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." - John 14:28

"But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God." - 1 Corinthians 11:3

" and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God." - 1 Corinthians 3:23

ignorance at its peak . . . . John 1 which outlines the revealed origin of Christ has been shown to you, yet you choose to ignore it. Philipians 2:6 clearly state, that Christ is GOD but chooses to be submissive to the Father's will.

Why are you refusing to answer my questions? . . . . .. what are u afraid of?

frosbel: are you a heresy hunter.

Not at all, I just feel it is healthy that all strange gospels and heresies are brought to light, so that the faith of many would not wax cold. I still await those links.

frosbel: baseless accusation - Peter, Paul, Nathaniel and even Satan himself referred to Jesus as Son of God, Jesus is not GOD , do some study.

They also called Him, "The Only Begotten", what does that mean?

frosbel: Wrong again

How is this wrong? Please shed more light. The bible (John 1:1)is explicit in asserting that Jesus as the Word existed and is GOD.
on what basis do u disagree with this?

frosbel: he did not pre-exist

On what basis again do u assert this? The bible explicitly asserts that all things were made by Him and also that He is the Alpha and Omega, yet you say He did not pre-exist.
Once again I ask, what do u understand by salvation?

frosbel: Salvation does not depend on an understanding of an extra-biblical concept called Trinity.

is this a joke? what do you understand by salvation?

John 14: 15 - 31 tells of the connection between the holy spirit and your salvation (assuming that you are saved). Asking you about your understanding of salvation is to establish if you are a preaching a strange gospel out of ignorance or you speak outside of the body of Christ in damnation. So man up and answer the questions asked.

frosbel: I will keep fighting against the TRINITY.

Lets start from the basics. What your crux with the trinity? are you a christian? if yes, whats your understanding of salvation?

From the look of things, you have a problem with the personality of the Holy Spirit, whats the bone on contention?

@OP

Please provide a list or links to Frosbel's heresies

Digriz: then that means that no one will make heaven bcus no onewt any atom of sin wl be there. I still believe in purgatory.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast

^^^

Truth is I have always been viewing posts and not just posting comments. Nice to see you here bro

@OP

Your video is a ridiculous attempt at discrediting Christianity, as there are several obvious unanswered questions. Moreover, I find it even more disturbing at the continuous distortion of well known facts.

1. Christianity is based solely on the faith in Christ, serving as the foundation and end of man's relationship with God, outside of which is eternal damnation.

2. Christ did NOT jump from the sky, make 12 disciples and proclaim a new religion. Instead, His coming was foretold and as a matter of fact, He was being expected. This expectation only had different connotations for different persons. They all expected a messiah but lacked the understanding to understand the implication of the coming of the messiah.

3. The coming of Christ and spread of Christianity is only a continuation of the divine plan of revealing the God head to creation. While for thousands of years as depicted in the old testament, the Father was revealed. The father in turn revealed the son through prophets, prophecies of a messiah and His eventual death and Resurrection. The son in turn revealed the spirit as the third person in the Godhead and a complete revelation of God.

4. According to the analysis in your video, what would 12 disciples gain in losing their lives, their families, income and become ostracized, considering that they made no monetary gain from the preaching of the gospels? These men could only have been motivated by a more powerful force beyond the realm of the physical, something called FAITH.

5. Read through the book of Mathew yesterday and it stuck me that Christ actually had only one message, which was that the kingdom of God and harvest of human souls had come, for which there are two destinations, heaven with God or eternal damnation in hell fire. It also stuck me that this message is lost in the prosperity gospel and atheistic debates that presently dominate the world.

So where are you headed, heaven or hell?

Alfa Seltzer: Lies. Satan doesn't buy handkerchiefs. Neither does he have a handkerchief factory.

liloelawwal: ops stop dat rubbish abeg

open your ears and hear what the spirit is saying. These acts are unbiblical and not of God.

Dont wait until you get to hell fire before you find out. Always pray for the grace and mercy to finish the race while holding on to the faith like Apostle Paul did.

@OP

why are white garment churches not on the list?

Cele probably has more branches than any other denomination especially in the southwest.

Akwenuke marho: what is the definition of God, if I may ask?

In what context do you ask?

ooman4: I take it you are god then, since. you apparently understand the notion of being god.

Understanding the notion of being God, does NOT make me God, it only implies that I am an informed person.

Back to reality . . . in what context are the persons you listed God? Do you understand the notion of being God?

plaetton: The streets of history are littered with corpses of dead gods. Zeus, adonis, mithras, ahura mazda, yahweh,jesus and many others.

in what context are these persons gods? or do you understand the notion of being God?

Jenwitemi: And what if he isn't? Even if he were(which i don't believe), the question of the origin of "his" life remains to be answered. So going back to your original question about the origin of life.

you did not answer my question because you are incapable of intellectually assimilating the implications.

Life has to have a definitive source who has no source for its own existence.

garden tobi: U̶̲̥̅̊ believe a god exists but uv never seen it α̲̅πϑ U̶̲̥̅̊ make urself believe U̶̲̥̅̊ r seeing visions.Ūя̲̅ faith blinds U̶̲̥̅̊ α̲̅πϑ U̶̲̥̅̊ can't see that Ūя̲̅ bible is just a version of fairy tales written by dumb sheperds α̲̅πϑ the other S̶̲̥̅Ơ̴̴̴̴̴̴͡ called kings α̲̅πϑ prophets.if U̶̲̥̅̊ on bbm ȋ̝̊ want τ̅☺ hav a conver wit d person who started dis thread...U̶̲̥̅̊ believe everything is possible by god but it can't cook an egg with cold water.who is fooling who.

whats your point?

Kay 17: Don't discount the numerous Gods and religions.

Quite LAME. The subject of discourse is Jehovah God.

mkmyers45: SORRY SIR...but don't throw that into the box as it won't stand it k?

why not?

Jenwitemi: Haven't you guys been through this topic a million times before? You are all yet to be any wiser. So what is the point? If the bible god is the origin of life on this planet, what is the origin of his life? If nobody can know the answer to that, why keep asking the question over and over again? Totally senseless.

what if the bible God is the potent and only source of life?

Delafruita: i dont fully agree with you.scientists view the creation story as just another story from a large catalogue of folklore.they genuinely want to find out how the world began but its not in a bid to disprove the creation myth,its in a bid to find out for finding out sake

Fair enough . . . .but the bible accounts remains the most plausible

@ manmustwac and Jesoul

Let us have our own official debate also here in the religion section. Obviously the subject would be Does God exist?
theists versus Atheists. I am sure that this would be a very good reference point for future references.

Kay 17: This is nothing but a bitter rant. God the centre of Christianity is ASSUMED by faith. Suddenly faith is Reason!!

This is quite IDIOTIC.

What is that evidence that supports your atheistic postulations? You rely on theories that are not empirical, hence, you rely on faith.

On the other hand, the evidences for God are numerous and subjective.

MacDaddy01: There exists no evidence for God. None. That is why you have faith- "belief without evidence".


If I told you that I am the fastest person alive, you would ask for the evidence of my speed record beofore you believe me. If you say that God exists, you have to provide the proof. 2000 years and counting no evidence or proof of God. None. Not one.

why have you refused to answer the simple questions. what are you afraid of?

MacDaddy01: Apparently, you dont know what atheism is. It is not a religion but a theological stance.


Atheism is not a fallacy but a logical statement, there is a lack of evidence to believe in a god.


A believer religies on faith. Faith is not logical, infact, it is the opposite of logic.

This is quite DUMB.

1. can you explicitly state the "logical statement" described as atheism?

2. If believers relies on faith to support their theism, what do atheists rely on in lieu of the lack of evidence to support their assertions that there is no God? did I hear you say FAITH?