ogoamaka99:

Did GOD personally tell you that these men are fraudsters? Please tell us.

Yes . . . and morover, the scriptures also assert that "By their fruit you shall know them" Mat 7:16
The fruits of the above names runs parallel to the fruits that Christ sowed.

dorox:

God speaks to no one, whoever tells you otherwise is a liar or mentally ill.

I am tempted to say that ur comment is both IDIOTIC and unintelligent. . . , . instead of saying that, I would like to ask, on what basis do u say that God does not speak to anyone? do u know God? did He tell u that He does not speak to anyone?

Ignatio:

Does this direct communication btw God n man still happen? I've pondered on this question and also discussed it in group but I haven't gotten a good answer.
I'll love to get your opinion on this.

it does happen  . . , .God speaks directly to those who genuinely serve Him. remember Christ promised another comforter who will remind us of all truths. God speaks . I hear Him very often, as such I personally testify that He still speaks, just as it was written the scriptures of His conversations with the prophets.

Martian:

After observing christians in their natural habitat and online, I would say the two most important factors they will consider are as follows.
1) Are you a "Spiritual Authority"
2) Are you saying what they want to hear.

If you can answer yes to both questions, then you can have as many conversations with "god" as  possible without being questioned.

Since I can answer yes to both questions, I can tell you I had a conversation with God a few hours ago while burning some trees. He spoke to me through the burning trees as I inhaled the smoke.

I am tempted to agree with u  , . . .but u just described FALSE prophets here. . . who fleece the flock with juicy promises unfounded in the gospel of Christ. So while ur above analysis "may be"  true, it does not describe genuine Christians but refers to holy charlatans.

petres_007:

I laugh in somersaulting tongues of angels! 

What makes you think God would have become so frustrated as to give up telling Samuel of his plans?

you are not the first person to laugh in tongues . . . .we have been laffing in tongues at pastor Jo's gospel for a very long time.
Nice to see ur debunking of Jo's false teachings, , the question is what motivates Jo to twist the scriptures?

ogoamaka99:



Another son of perdition said that he was raised since 2011 to expose charlatans. And who are the charlatans? According to the guy, the people he is referring to as charlatans are but GOD’S Field marshals in the Gospel. Men of GOD like Benny HINN, Bishop Oyedepo, Pastor Chris, Pastor E.A. Adeboye, pastor Mathew Ashimolowo etc.
What an irony that small boy and dropout like himself could open his mouth wide like that to abuse these great men of GOD. He even went further to call these Men of GOD 419.One major attribute of these sons of perdition are there flagrant abuse of MOG. My concern is not what these sons of perdition are saying but my concern is on you who ought to understand that these guys have lost their mind and that they are under the influence of the devil. It is someone under the control of the devil that can open his/her mouth wide to call these great men of GOD 419, criminal, thief, rouge, devil etc. You who don’t realize the angle they are coming from and join them to make unguided and false statement against these men of GOD. Be careful and conscious of what you say against any MOG. Allow these sons of perdition to continue in their abuse of Men of GOD. Sooner than you think GOD will rise and when that happens they will be silenced. And many have been silenced permanently. I pray that it is not you. 1Timothy 5:22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure. Again 2John 1:10 " If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."
Eccl 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil. A word is enough for the wise.

did God ever tell u personally that any of these guys are His field marshall?
of a truth . . , their works does not testify of Christ . . . . , neither does Christ testify of them. So how did u come to the conclusion that these fraudsters are of God?

slap her buttom

Joagbaje:

He has a right to say who he believe he is. You say your one and work it out

his right is not in dispute here . . . . but the question is "are those utterances Christ-like? do they reflect the spirit in him?"

^^^ u were told not to touch my annointed and u did . . . .u will definitely see my wrath in 7 days max.

spank

and DS ran away

^^^

There are many issues with this tithing doctrine. but looking at it from an insightful point of view and also assessing your example. . . .I can say that the general premise for tithing is wrong.

1. based on your example of the family practising the tithing, they do so in hope for some reward or financial blessings. there is absolutely no spiritual or physical proof that anyone paying tithe is better off than those not paying. like u rightly said, indoctrination is playing a key role. an average person worshipping in KICC london here, would think that the things of God including salvation is for sale considering the way and manner mather ashimolowo asks for seed for anything u were asking for. . . .the poser is, is this the same gospel JC taught? did Jesus charge anyone for anything?

2. I am not aware of any explicit biblical verse that commands Christians to tithe. the last commandment of Christ was that we love all just like He loves us. The interpretation of this commandment was what we saw in the book of Acts. . . .where the early converts sold ALL that they had and shared amongst themselves, taking good care if the poor. They gave ALL without any hope of an earthly reward.

3. why would any one who claims to follow JC expect earthly goodies in return? did JC emphasise this? The reward for being a part of His kingdom was to reap eternal rewards in heaven or afterlife and not a life of private jets and yatchs.

4. I am concerned about where the money actually goes. if the money is genuinely received on behalf of God. . . .then I would expect that Godly things would be done with the money. but Christ summarised it all. . .admonishing that "By their fruits we shall know them"

^^^^ I agree with the above.

Deepsight, do have a rethink. . , abdicating because of a nuisance is an acknowledgement of the vanity u are fighting against.
Some of us would always love to hear ur opinions no matter what . . . , and come to think of it . . . . the OP was actually addressed to u.
please do honour us with ur usually intelligent response.

dare2think:


@ deepsight/pastor aio

If Jesus said "love thy nieghbor as yourself", how come some "Christains"  tend to hold so much animousty to gay individuals? I understand the cultural and biological stand in our native land but am speaking on how the Love Christ profess seem to elude these certain individuals? Am sure Jesus would have said "love your straight nieghbor" if he wanted people to love just a certain calibre of sexuality. I would have thought the Love he spoke about would be an encompassing one that transcends sexuality. I am aware this is a very contentious subject and people rather choose to ignore it rather than address it. What is your view on this.

Perhaps u need to understand what Jesus meant by LOVE. He loved everyone including the pharisees, but yet He never missed an opportunity to highlight their hypocrisy, sins and unrighteousness whilst emphasising their paths to destruction. Loving people is different from IGNORING evil. your post suggests that to love GAYS would mean to ignore their unrighteous path.

while as Christians we are expected to LOVE everyone, as this is the last commandment from Christ, we are however not allowed to condone unrighteousness and sin. being gay is fundamentally and scripturally unGodly . . . . this does not equate to hatred.

@ Joagbaje

I understand that you seem to defend a lot of these "MOG'S", which is fine, as you as an individual possess the right to do so.  However, I do have some questions for you;

Most men of God claim to speak to God (the omnipotent), how come God don't tell them to use some of their acquired wealth to go the kids dying around the world to feed them? these dying children, I presume are also God's children and am sure God is aware of their predicament. Why would God give someone he SPEAKS to regularly so much wealth and leave children he SEES to die of Hunger?
And has God spoken to you before?

Your poser to Jo is the simplest poser that should serve as the yardstick to discern false prophets. Christ said that by their fruits we shall know them. unfortunately NONE of the prominent MOG on this planet today bears fruit that resembles that of Christ (the list includes Adeboye, oyaks, joshua, ashimolowo and their american counterparts) that they cannot even take good care of the sheep of Christ, like Peter was commanded to do.

@others

I have come to the conclusion that tithing should depend on the individual giving it for whatever reason they see fit. But I have noticed that some people dont pay tithes or even go to church but still live relatively good lives, some people of other faiths dont pay tithes but still live relatively comfortable and are still blessed. In terms of prosperity, secular people dont pay tithes or give to charity or pastors but are still comfortable and insome cases live a more fruitful life than some tithe-payers and church-goers?

What then is the purpose of this practice (tithes, offerings and whatever), when people that don't belive in it or people of other faiths seem to do well without practising it. Surely it seem to raise an eyebrow as to the real purpose of the practice.

What is the real purpose of the practise? (those that believe in it)

Please, lets educate ourselves without resorting to abuses and bigotry.

while this might be ur personal conclusion, as u are entitled to ur opinion.
The issue here is not what one is paying. .  . .but on what basis is it being paid? why should anyone LIE to anyone that God said they should pay 10% of their gross income, hence they go to hell? did God say so? when? where? why?

interesting discourse . . . , but the OP is not making any bold assertions other than what we already know.
anything outside of the realm of the material or physical can be considered alien. the intervention of the spiritual if seen in the material can be described as alien or UFO manifestation, as in the case of Elijah and Moses.

these facts in themselves do not change anything or present any knowledge to challenge the thoughts or belief system of genuine Christians.
the return of Christ has always been portrayed in the scriptures as an alien invasion to wage war against unbelievers. the emergence of the antiChrist is also shrouded in his role in preventing or destroying this invasion.

my point is that the concept of aliens or UFO is easily reconcilable to biblical concepts, in the context that these concepts elucidate a spiritual (alien) intervention in the affairs of men. what we have today is a satanic approach to twist this scriptural knowledge in suggesting that Christ is an enemy of man (an alien) when He returns to wage war against the anti-Christ. this is corroborated by biblical accounts that suggest that the beast was able to gather the kings of the earth to war against Christ.

so depending on ur understanding and definition of the terms "alien" and "UFO" . . . . .the question is on which side do u belong . . . . . .Christ (the alien) or Satan (the antiChrist beast)

^^^ I worshipped in mathew's church for quite a while . . .and never for once did he preach or emphasise on RIGHTEOUSNESS. why dont u ask him to run for president or seek political appointment since he knows so much about the economy and wealth creation?

simply put . . , mathew is a gifted fraudster.

abrahamzo:

abraham zoe 08163038595; i will try to update this every night. pst matthew addressed the body of christ recently, empowering us with strategies to take over the land and the market place. by the time you digest this article, ''you will shout i've got it'' then you begin to dominate your world.
pst matthew words '' i believe God wants us to own the market place.
forbe magazine says the richest man in africa (out of about 700 million people) is not a christain.

where in the bible did Christ mandate Christians to seek to financially dominate the world?

@ OP

the links to Jo's sins are broken, please provide the correct links.

^^ maybe . , . . if taking her out will not empty my pockets

he k[b]NO[/b]ws very much . . . . . .

tubabie:

Noectic16!!!!

Its been a long time . . . , missed u, i no go lie . . . .howdy?

he k[b]NO[/b]ws as well . . .

^^^^ stop being a lousy and ignorant clown. can u not notice the DISCONNECTION between ur beliefs and the title "pastor"?
how many times has ur ignorance being repeatedly exposed on this forum?

@ OP

is AIO also not a fake/deceptive "pastor"?

@ OP
very sad . , a young child who has been possessed by a LYING spirit

Joagbaje:

@alaper
God didn't make the chikdren sick. Satan is responsible for most humans suffering. And that's why the gospel came to end them.

really? u are just helpless dumb in Christian matters. what did Christ say about the source of the blindness of the blind man in the scriptures? was it he that sinned or his parents? what was Christ's response?

the sufferings on earth, are largely as a result of man's original sin, which resulted in imperfection. for the wages of sin is DEATH . . . , ever heard that in the bible? that death is spiritual, connoting the removal of man from God's presence. satan is as helplessly powerless as oyaks is. they are both liars and manipulators. there is inexplicable suffering in this world because there is SIN.

to the issue of Christian suffering . . . , the problem here is where did u get your brand of "microwave Christianity" from?
Christ Himself was beaten badly with 42 stripes and later crucified. all the apostles died horrible deaths except John, the early church was lynched ,  . . ,  , so when did suffering become a big deal to true Christians?

mazaje:

m qualifie

ok . . . .

I am qualified to talk about prayers just like anybody else. . . . .The FACT is that there is absolutely NO evidence whatsoever to show that those you pray to the God of the bible are better protected from harm or evil and sickness or recover faster from sickness  or are richer or receive more favor than those that do not pray to the same God. . . . .NO evidence at all to show that those who pray to the God of the bible are in any way better than those who do not pray to him and that is the FACT. . . . . .

this shows u dont understand the point of prayers.  why should anyone pray n be asking God for protection? do they really know God? . . . .this is what Christ says . . . .mathew 6:25-34
25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[e]?
   28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

I dont know where u got the message that Christians will not suffer persecution or evil that others suffer from . . .Christ Himself was crucified, peter was crucified upside down, Paul was beheaded, stephen was lynched to death, James was beheaded, John was imprisoned, Andrew was fried in hot oil. . . .the first church were lynched and killed incessantly. if the first generation of Christians could suffer this much. . . how much more latter day believers. The problem here is that u have been wrongly taught. . perhaps u attended chris oyakilome's church?

Prayer works, how?  About a year ago a friend of mine prayed before he embarked on a journey to go spread the word of his God in a remote village in Adamawa state in Nigeria, he prayed(I was there when he was praying) to God for protection and a safe journey but was involved in a car accident on the way, he has lost his ability to walk forever, if prayers work, he will NOT have had that accident in the first place, because the accident is of no use to him as a person, if his God existed and answers prayers he would have protected him from the accident the way a father always protect his children from harm, no?. . . . . .

did ur friend read verses 5 - 8
5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.


prayer is a personal communion between two persons who know each other . . did God ask him to go preach? was he doing this on his own will or based on instructions? I am not in any way passing judgement of ur friend, but the point here is, choosing to work for God is DIFFERENT from being called. is ur friend lamenting on this accident? Apostle Paul also had a ship accident on his way to preaching the gospel . .  .that did not stop him from preaching. The point is thet tha Christian walk has NO earthly reward.

I read not long ago of a bus full of Christian missionaries in Tennessee USA that was involved in an accident, some of them died, some lost their ability to see , other lost their ability walk and others were paralyzed for life. . . .Am sure they too must have prayed before the embarked on the trip because they were travelling to India but had an accident on their way to the airport. . . .No evidence to show that prayers works at all. . . . .People that pray and those that don't all suffer the same harm and misfortune and they all also receive the same share of happiness or good fortune. . . . .

can u testify that they were all walking with God in obedience? remember that God sees and knows all things.

mazaje:

Does any God ever answer any body's prayers?. . . .Prayers are nothing but talking to yourself and wishing that things will go on fine with you with the addition of praise to some imaginary friend in the sky to make him grant you your wish. . . .Its so funny because we do not even praise our parents if we want something from them. . . All we do is simply ask them. . .There is absolutely NO evidence what so where to show that those who pray to a particular God do better or receive better things than those who do not pray to the same God. . . .I have not prayed for over 7 years now, and my life is much more better than most of the people around me in Nigeria who pray all the time for basic things in life. . . . .The worst part of it all is that after praying they still come to me the atheist to help them, when their imaginary God and the men of God they worship as well refuse to help them or answer their prayers. . . . . . .

cant u see that u are not qualified to talk about prayer? its like a novice attempting to explain a medical surgery process and dismissing his ignorance cos he lacks understanding.

prayer works. what is prayer? prayer is a communion to the invisible creator of all things. if u dont believe in a creator or superior being, how can u believe in prayer?

Joagbaje:

The scripture you're quoting is primarily for Jews during the tribulation. The bible rather warns us of false brethren like you guys. On what ground are you attacking ministers .this is against what bible teaches .

Romans 14:4
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

really? what EXACTLY in that verse suggests that He was referring to Jews and not believers?
Its appalling the length u go, just to cover for oyaks.

Yes I have read the bible from cover to cover and found it a very great experience. was and still remains very influential in my walk with God.

this confirms what we all know . . .churches are entertainment centres.

is sweetnecta the same old olobowale?

@ OP

quite an impressive narrative. . , but Christ said that by their fruit we shall know them. Oyedepo is NOT of God. QED.

sleekymag:

Its easier to criticize a man of God, or even just about anybody without knowing what the person's true motives are. Many do not know the man gives scholarships worth N100m every year; they do not know the church provides for its poor members or those in need through its satellite fellowships; they do not know how BIG the ministry is, such that using a public airline wouldn't be effective. Truth is, very few are called to have missions as much as his. How many would have derailed just at the slight success they would encounter on their way? So many. It takes a tireless, committed visioneer to keep at it despite the success. How many successful men of his level would still be working 16hours daily? Few, i think.

100m scholarship to go to his own schools? what EXACTLY did Christ command peter to do?

Even John D. Rockefeller (not a pastor, but an entrepreneur), the richest man of his time, was a tither, from an early age. Four generations after, his family is being recognised as America's most successful family. And one of his favorite quotes is "If your only goal is to become rich, you will never achieve it." He ended up giving out most of his wealth, and this goes on even till today through the Rockefeller Foundation and many others.

It's more than just the desire for success or wealth; it is a vision, a mission, to make the world a better place.

Washington Irving said, "Great minds have purpose, others have wishes".
The purpose of life is a life of purpose!

just hide ur ignorance . . . . .u know NOTHING about the Rockerfellas.

mathew is a gifted fraudster.

kreamstaff:

@noetic16 its peeps lyk u who keep heaping curses on demselvs & remain stagnant cos u misinform a lot of truth seekers, openly bearing false witness like d devil. i was once confused by yr ilk till i decided to go witness first hand d goings on in CE. it is a lie dat they have replaced the person of Jc and am a living witness that even terminal diseases have been healed. Jesus is not coming cos of CE as a church but 4 a unified body of Christ not divided but first those dat trouble it like u will b uprooted

so there is a curse on me because i expose a fraudster? where is that written in ur bible?
who had the healed terminal disease? was it u? any proof?