₦airaland Forum

freshest4live:
No matter the ordeal of south Korea with Japan, they are still brothers and south Korea is free now but not many Africans are totally free today maybe a fault of theirs, but again like l said the comparison is worthless.
Yes l agree with you, Quatar and UAE is doing better and of course Nigeria is definitely punching below her weight.
There are examples of countries in the world as well with few natural resources like Ghana doing better because ideas with good policies under visionary leadership is more powerful than resources, and they fuel the resources. Ghana has always boasted to our face of having these better than Nigeria, Ghanians believe they are less corrupt with a more peaceful environment and stable electricity, so Ghana has the advantage to rank amongst top ten in Africa considering how low the bar is for Africa. We are both failures and should hide our heads under the pillow in shame.

I hate it when people emphasize on Qatar and UAE making progress. These countries just have only a few million people with vast rescources. They are also linguistically, ethnically and religiously one.
They would be mad and sub-human not to make progress.

Ghana does not have any rescources? For real?
Why are they called the gold coast? Their land is very fertile and they have a small population.
They also have an ethnic and religious majority who are always in charge and leadership of affairs.

freshest4live:
Nobody is using colonization as an excuse, nobody is saying we shouldn't move on, my point is that Africa is growing slowly but steadily, if we can achieve political stability and unite for the common good with better institutions to fight corruption.
The point we are making is that subsaharan Africa is not totally free from the French. I do not know whom to blame for this, Africa or Frances? I blame both. For example l do not know who to blame for Cameroon's situation even though they claim to be bilingual like Canada. Do we blame Biya or Frances? Both of course.

Subsaharan Africa is making progress?? Are u sure?

Instead, say Nigeria, Ghana, Kenya, South Africa and few others are making progress.

Can you place countries like Eriterea, Somalia, Niger, Mali, South Sudan, Burkina faso, Liberia, Sierra leone, Congo, CAR e.t.c in the same sentence with the word 'progress'?

obaaderemi:
But in which ways were the British better than the french as colonisers in Africa?Our people need to stop using colonisation as an excuse and move on.Morocco,Algeria and Tunisia were also colonised by france but are doing quite well today.Algeria suffered seriously at the hand of france but finally pushed out france.

France colonized French West Africa as one colony.and then later granted them different independent countries. Why not one large country? So that the colonially and rescourcefully disadvantaged ones can be carried along by the advantaged ones, just as you see Southern Nigerians carrying northern nigerians along.

This left many countries like Mali, Niger, Burkina faso landlocked. And some of them like the Nigerièns were far disadvantaged educationally and infrastructurally during colonialism, being located far away from Dakar the capital and administrative centre of French west Africa.

How could the French have granted a country like Niger republic independence? A lanlocked desert country with 99% illiterates were granted independence, like seriously??
How are they expected to make any progress?

freshest4live:
Lol, how many developed nations have oil? Nigeria was doing better before oil, our talents showed in various sectors within that short period, we were diversified. But the oil came and with money and the good life, we relaxed.
Corruption today was magnified on a larger scale partly due to this oil bloom. With the greed of politicians, the economy sank, but those at the top kept looting, many youths began to believe it is all man for himself, it doesn't matter as long as you make the money. In my opinion Nigeria with our population would have been much better without oil, if we had achieved political stability also.

Seriously, this corrupt culture of Nigerians is appalling. And it seems to be getting worse.
Can the negative trend ever be reversed?

MtuMsuper:
Wow! I am still not believing this is you. You are spot on all the way here. Oga, we all need sense like a camel in the desert needs water! I especially agree with you on the negative French influence in West Africa. It pains me.

A good thing you share in the pain, but yours is child's play compared to ours.
I am so pained that i can kill someone for this

Do you know how painful it is seeing people from countries like Niger republic in Nigeria living on the streets? Children, babies, todlers, women. Infact. It's sad.

It's not like Nigerians, Ghanaians and other Anglophone west Africans do not have suffering people, just that our cases are very hopeful and we are making more progress. Apart from Ivory Coast, no other francophone west african country seems to be making any reasonable progress and these bastard white french witches will never allow the unification of Ecowas (that will help these francophone people). It's just sad.

freshest4live:
You have misunderstood my argument, l'm not saying Nigeria isn't living under her weight or saying the British caused all problems, but rather you can't compare Nigeria's foundation to that of western countries and not even to south Korea. Japan colonizing south Korea is child's play, they are still alike and understand themselves better than the Nigerian- British relationship.
You are also making excuses for Ghana, there are smaller countries in Europe doing much better than Ghana and with lesser resources, by your logic, this shouldn't be so.
Resources do not make nations but education and ideas. Congo has far more resources than we have, l also used to think Ghana was called the gold coast because of gold correct me if l'm wrong though.
So my point is you give Ghana far too many excuses if we are to go by your standard against Nigeria and you underrate the continual effect of colonialism especially from the French on the continent. There was a time ECOWAS was about introducing Eco as the only currency for west African states, the francophone nations kicked against it, because they valued the French currency, Nigeria had no power to face the French who would never easily give up her colonies completely and so the idea was abandoned. This is why l say Africa is still colonized indirectly and the comparison with South Korea is out of place.

Seriously, karma will keep on punishing France for keeping French west Africa in darkness. The bombings they are experiencing now will be child's play compared to what they will experience in the future.

They act as if they so much value their former french colonies, but how have they helped them to develop themselves?? French west African countries still dominate the list of the poorest and hopeless in the world. Selfish white witches playing with the destinies of millions of people.

@Ishalbash

You will agree with me that this northern culture of manyan mutane & talakawa (rich & poor) is killing northern Nigeria.

Southerners are developing a very strong and viable middle-class population. And you can see the way they are dominating most sectors of the country apart from politics. Rich northerners have been the problem of the north as they seem to be very uninterested in developing the northern masses.
I am not against religion but it bleeds my heart to see Zamfara or Bauchi state governments organising Koranic recitation competitions and building more mosques whereas you will never find them organizing science and learning competitions, skill acquisition programs for the youth or building schools.

Kudos to northern governors like Ibrahim Dankwambo of Gombe state for changing that destructive mentality of most northern leaders.

You can clearly see that the middlebelt people are rapidly leaving that destructive culture, by embracing education more and if the core-northerners do not catch up, both the core-north and middlebelt will be forever divided.

One thing that most northern leaders do not know is that evil always backfires.
The more these northern leaders keep on leaving their people in backwardness and the Southerners get wealthier, the more the poorer northerners will keep on migrating to the South for greener pastures. Southerners will keep on using northerners as 'slaves'. It is already happening.

By the time all the indigenes of northern states have left to the South, who will these northern leaders rule??
Southern states will keep on having a higer Internal revenue and that 'Southernization' or Southern acculturization of Nigeria which northern leaders have been trying to fight since the time of the Sardauna will still take place!

What can you say about this?

Isahalbash:
Lagosian from one ghetto area... U might have seen where a 3storey building collapsed last wk on NL fp at Ilasamaja, daz very close to my place.


Most of d Northerners coming to lag wit bako bags r mostly from d villages, nd r illiterates. Those dat push trucks and buy aluminium r mostly frm Kano. Few do shoemakers, some sell date palm, most ride bikes, those hausas from sokoto sell suya, d fulanis r traders. Those dat sell foodstuffs nd fruits inside wheelbarrow r mostly Zarma frm Nijer and a few hausas from Nigeria. Those BDC( bureau de change) r mostly Zarma from Nijer and Hausas from Jigawa state. These set of people r very rich, they live in big and extravagant houses in any part of Lagos, though dere way r not too pure and d literate ones among dem pick money for yahoo boys nd those wire wire.During rainy season, most of Dem go bak to dere villages' and farm.


The ones at festac, VI, lekki, Ajah, ikoyi etc r either govt workers or BDC.

The rich northerners only cum to Lagos for business nd go bak even during NYSC most of Dem will redeploy to either Abuja or any Northernern states even if they r posted to Lagos, Rivers, Anambra, Abia etc. Some of Dem do forfeit dere allawee jst to leave d state.

The northerners u see In Lagos r mostly poor nd illiterate people from d villages, then Zarma frm Nijer and kebbi state, kotokoli from Togo nd Ghana, fulanis, Buzus from Nijer nd mali( those u see wit a small kettle doin tea), Nupes( they sell roasted groundnut nd tanfirin) etc.


When there's crises in d south, most of d people its affect r d foreigns cos d northerners live closely together e.g Idi araba, alaba rago, mile 12 etc.

First of all, what is the major difference btw Zarma and Buzu? I always see them to be the same.
I seem to see you hinting about Zarma/buzus from Kebbi/Sokoto. Are there Zarma/buzu indigenous communities in Nigeria?? I never tot there were, If yes, can you help me list them if you know them?


Seriously, these Zarma people from Niger republic, i don't understand them at all.
How come most beggars from Niger republic are buzu/Zarma whereas a lot of them are rich people changing dollars??

Yes, we all know of their diabolism and unpure ways, but how come do these people manage to mix islam and such diabolism??

Also, i think this clustering together of northerners in one place in the south should be discouraged. It usually makes them easy targets in case of crises. See the case of Ile-ife. It also helps to breed some level of unruliness and extremism among the youths, thinking that they are now large in numbers and can thus challenge their hosts.

Apart from maybe the Nupes, those of us from middlebelt/Taraba/Adamawa and Southern kaduna, we hardly live in ethnic clusters in the South, and this helps us integrate with the southerners better and develop ourselves.
You may not share my views, but you can see that i have a point here.

Isahalbash:
Lagosian from one ghetto area... U might have seen where a 3storey building collapsed last wk on NL fp at Ilasamaja, daz very close to my place.


Most of d Northerners coming to lag wit bako bags r mostly from d villages, nd r illiterates. Those dat push trucks and buy aluminium r mostly frm Kano. Few do shoemakers, some sell date palm, most ride bikes, those hausas from sokoto sell suya, d fulanis r traders. Those dat sell foodstuffs nd fruits inside wheelbarrow r mostly Zarma frm Nijer and a few hausas from Nigeria. Those BDC( bureau de change) r mostly Zarma from Nijer and Hausas from Jigawa state. These set of people r very rich, they live in big and extravagant houses in any part of Lagos, though dere way r not too pure and d literate ones among dem pick money for yahoo boys nd those wire wire.During rainy season, most of Dem go bak to dere villages' and farm.


The ones at festac, VI, lekki, Ajah, ikoyi etc r either govt workers or BDC.



The rich northerners only cum to Lagos for business nd go bak even during NYSC most of Dem will redeploy to either Abuja or any Northernern states even if they r posted to Lagos, Rivers, Anambra, Abia etc. Some of Dem do forfeit dere allawee jst to leave d state.

The northerners u see In Lagos r mostly poor nd illiterate people from d villages, then Zarma frm Nijer and kebbi state, kotokoli from Togo nd Ghana, fulanis, Buzus from Nijer nd mali( those u see wit a small kettle doin tea), Nupes( they sell roasted groundnut nd tanfirin) etc.

When there's crises in d south, most of d people its affect r d foreigns cos d northerners live closely together e.g Idi araba, alaba rago, mile 12 etc.

Hmm, interesting.
No wonder you can speak pidgin quite well and display some southern traits.

I also live in the South too, infact i was born in Delta state. My father works with NNPC and was transferred to the south.
What brought you to the south??

Are you for real? Though i don't really know much about the demographics of northerners in Lagos state, but in the SS/SE, you hardly find people from Kano, Jigawa or Kaduna doing menial jobs. Most of the core-northerners doing those are usually from Sokoto, Zamfara and sometimes Katsina. You can only find the former trading.
The Kanuris from Borno do wristwatches. Both core-northerners and middlebelters do mai guard and okada. ......
The only difference btw the poor core-northerners and middlebelters in the south is that most poor middlebelters who leave their villages to the South do so after finishing secondary schools. While most core-northerners never went to school.
Let me ask you, sincerely, do you see core-northerners changing and bridging the educational gap in Nigeria in the nearest future

forgiveness:
Hahahahahah! I am not but somehow I was in that line.

Atleast, the decerning minds like you will not be deceived by these guys.

Abi oo, tuale for u sha.

NairobiWalker:
When this Nonsense boy gives you accolades, take it as an insult rather than appraise. In fact it is sure proof you IQ range is of a clever monkey.

Kiberawalker, just shut up and behave like a civilized human for once, will you?

NairobiWalker:
These people are obsessed with GDP figures that get overly exaggerated especially in mining countries. Visit Sudan that has thrice Rwanda's GDP per capita and compare the living standards then you'll know some of these figures are crap.

Nigeria's HDI was largely affected by the decades of military rule.
We are not so much perturbed about HDI, because it is sometimes unrealistic. And we also know that larger countries are always at a disadvantage when it comes to HDI.

NairobiWalker:
Unfortunately this unforgivable fool is one of a kind. He argues to win. lol. Dude can argue over something so obvious.

Must you insult someone to prove your point?

ababda:
I don't consider myself "Arab", i just consider myself Sudanese, and that is about it. However i grew up outside of Sudan.

Is Arabic your mother tongue?

TayserMahiri:
Bantus were the smarter west africans. Hence they left after discovering Iron smelting to colonize new lands. If you bunch were trusted we would all be stuck there

No, we chased them away.
Bantus were wayward children.
Can't you see how they are behaving today? Very unsophisticated and primitive unlike we west Africans, Carribeans and African americans.

freshest4live:
Well l used to think all humans originated from Tanzania East Africa. Are you saying East Africans are also our children?

Tanzanian origin of humans is debateable.

There are about 200 million people of African ancestry in the Americas and 400 million Bantus (all of west african origin). And we west Africans are also approximately 400 million people. .....making 1 billion.

Jeeeez, and Nigeria remains the mother of this race as the largest west African nation.

ababda:
Not everyone believe or buy it, some Kikuyus i remembered reading believe they came from the horn, and groups such as the Tutsi believe they are infact possible Oromo or even Somali in origin, and later in their migration adopted the bantu language of the hutu people.

Kikuyus are bantus by origin who intermixed with cushitics. The cushitics were absorbed, just as the khoisans were absorbed by SA bantus.

Bantus are by far the largest negroid subgroup with about 400 million people.

forgiveness:
So, with all this explanations you are still dull to comprehend and you come here to claim your education system is better than ours. Smh.

How is it that you can't understand the 108 complete is the total sum of the skyscrapers, highrises, low-rise, monument, church, airport Tower and clock Tower completed? Smh

Out of the 81 highrises, only 66 were completed but I added the ones underconstruction to make it 76. That is being fair.

Out of the 15 skyscrapers, only 3 were completed on emporis site but I went ahead to add 2 not totally completed and Teleposta Tower (not even on their list). Is that not being fair?

But I want to teach you how emporis arrived at 108 buildings.

Since, 66 highrises were completed, they added the 3 completed skyscrapers, 35 completed low-rise, 1 monument completed, 1 airport Tower completed, 1 clock Tower completed and 1 church completed to sum it up which is 108.

66+35+3+1+1+1+1=108 buildings.

Use ya brain.


Moreover, the argument was centered on only highrise and not skyscrapers, low-rise, church.. etc.

If only highrise is considered I don't need to count all those, all I needed to do was to count from only the 81 highrises and after counting I got 76 highrises (66 completed and 10 underconstruction).

O my God! I don't believe I have to explain to an alumni of University of Nairobi simply reasoning.

Now, tell is the 108 buildings completed the numbers of high rises in Nairobi after seeing the snapshots below?

Professor forgiveness lecturing Civil engineering 211.

Abeg i dey fain admission for your school o.

uzzyfire:
didn't u read wat he sed , naija guys don't limit themselves to just naija they like to experiment . and how many Nigerian girls do u see running after Kenyan men or any other African country . that's becos they already have d guys that women all over d continent are chasing after

Chikena. Exactly what i'v been saying since.

Nigerian men are the alpha males of Africa.

Hati13:
No, there is no such thing as Negro ethnic. Ethnic group is a category of people who identify with each other based on similarities such as common ancestral, language, social, cultural or national experiences.

Negros are just groups of black people. Within Negro, there are many ethnicities.

Do you accept to identified as a Negro/Black as a Habesha??

mtis:
So most of Africa Americans (AA natives ) originated from west africa ?

Yes, almost the entire Subsaharan negroid race came from west Africa. Especially the Bantus.

Not only African americans, the Carribeans too.
They are our children. You guys too.

forgiveness:
10 & 11, Do you mean Prism Tower and Parliamentary Tower are completed?

Bhuuuhahaha! You brother said he doesn't want uncompleted buildings hence the need to strike them off the list. It's not my fault, he demanded for it.

Did you tell me about Teleposta Tower? But I searched for it and included it on the list.

Show me the height of LéMac Tower on Emporis even other site proved LéMac Tower is 98m.

It is right, I strike it out of the list.

Man, as you can see, I have done no wrong.

Hmm, oga, are you a civil engineer or architect? The way you carry this highrise and sky scrapper mata for head nor be here oo.

However, kudos. I am really being enlightened by your work. Keep on elightening the likes of Jay254, mtis et al

ababda:
These are the Sudanese you will see in Israel mainly from Darfur or South Sudan.

A picture of a South Kordofan (sudan) or South Sudanese wedding in Israel.


https://l7.alamy.com/zooms/4e39c662cf8148528bf48027e28b2e75/wedding-of-refugees-who-escaped-separately-from-sudan-and-reunited-c7e0y2.jpg


https://l7.alamy.com/zooms/d01de4066f99447ca7a6a6cb4ff8d66b/wedding-of-refugees-who-escaped-separately-from-sudan-and-reunited-c57yfr.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3353/3287589407_159c33fcd2_z.jpg?zz=1


Those are the picture above that goes to Israel, which is unfortunately.


These people below usually go to the arab countries



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https://i0.wp.com/farm9.staticflickr.com/8049/8426009482_decf374ddc_c.jpg


[img]https://hxreport.files./2014/09/img_6524.jpg?w=768[/img]

Are u a sudanese arab?

Shaytun:
Heck even addis ababa is better than the slum city.

Will choose ababa over tjat shit you call a city anytime, anyday.

The Ethiopian government wants to do two things at once. Ridding the capital city Addis Ababa of its slums, and providing housing for three million inhabitants of the capital.
The main slums in Addis must become the business center of the Ethiopian capital, but slum dwellers do not like the idea. The municipal had given them a month to clear out of their homes and they have complained that they had been forcefully removed.
For the authorities however, whose objective is to raise Ethiopia among the middle-income countries by 2025 – a gross national income (GNI) per capita above $ 1,000 – the revamp is also designed to create a middle class homeowners, less prone to anti-government protests.

http://www.africanews.com/2016/10/30/ethiopia-slums-in-the-city-center-slowly-disappearing//

It's so obvious that Ethiopia is on the right track to fully take over as the giant of East Africa.
Kenya will be displaced in no time.

Isahalbash:
The states u aforementioned are oil producing states, they r oil companies which r mostly owned by d whites. Will u expect such a place not to develop? Besides, why did u exclude Bayelsa and Ebonyi states? Most of d places dat r developed r where oil firms r present. They r many places dat r not developed at all in does states u listed, even in ph despites, all d monies, a place like elche is a no go area. Apart from 2-3 places ph city inclusive, other places has notin to rite abt. Same goes to daz states like Kano, Zaria, ilorin etc in fact, Zaria Na village ful of mud houses. Kano city is d only place developed in Kano, d oda LGAs outside Kano city No beta pass nguru, Hadejia and gashua.



Lagos is d only place that I knw is uniformly developing and mayb Ogun, Ibadan.


Sure, d North x lagging behind d South in terms of everything apart from Quranic recitation and population

To be sincerely speaking, d SS/SE r not better despite dere high literacy rate and exposures. Many people frm dat part of d con3 r trooping into Lagos everyday. They r even claiming of developing Lagos in detriment ov dere own states dat nid it most.


A Kanuri man will Neva identify himself as a Hausa no matter what. I only know about Kanuri courses at unimaid, besides, I don't live in d north.


I tink, u can only make comparism wit place like Lagos cox of dere similitudes.

You are quite correct.

So, where do you live?

You cannot expect every part of a state in Nigeria to be urbanized. Will u? This is Africa.
A state like Kano is ok if you ask me, i heard that Kano urban area currently occupies 10 out of the 44 LGAs of the state and it is rapidly expanding.

Yes, it can also be said that oil is a factor of development of the SS areas.
Ebonyi and Bayelsa state capitals are not that bad believe me. As young states they are developing somehow better than their northern counterparts.

Abakaliki can compare Sokoto and Minna cities in terms of development and Ebonyi is just about 20 years old while Niger and Sokoto states are about 40 years old or more.

Many SS/SE people are now trying to reverse the trend of investing everything in Lagos and have started investing more at home.
Can this really be said of northerners?? Though i think the lower literacy and exposure rates in the north is one setback.

Have you noticed that more northerners are increasingly migrating to the south these days? Unlike vice versa in the past.

EmeeNaka:
Minorities in Nigeria are the greatest headache. They kill Everyone.
Jos killings=Minority
Southern Kaduna killings=Minorities
Benue bloodbath=Minorities
Borno Boko Haram=Minorities
Fulani herdsmen atrocities=Minorities
And this Minorities has ruled Nigeria For about 45 years of Nigeria 57years independence.

Your comment reeks stupidity.

Apart from today's crisis between Jukuns and Tivs, all others have been caused by fulani herdsmen. The same ones who attack Enugu, Ogun, delta e.t.c

What about the Ife clashes btw Hausa & yorubas?

What about the one btw Ife & modakeke?

Ezza-Ezillo nko? Hausas and Igbos in Kano and Onitsha nko?

Rubbish!

shervydman:
I think I noticed the third picture.......that's KENYA INTERNATIONAL CONVENTION CENTER.

its a convention center though.........unlike urs.

all is looking good still.

Well, i was initally referring to social gathering event centres and not political convention centres. He was the one who took us there.

@Taysermahiri

And those were for Lagos.

These are for Abuja and PH (show yours like this)

TayserMahiri:
Nowenuse,,,

Kenya

Your work was very poor.
Whenever you are posting pics like these, try to show facts and if possible links to show their origin.

Look at my own pics below.
You can clearly see the names and links of these places from my screenshots!
Any picture can be taken from anywhere.

Isahalbash:
I have not been to potiskum before, but is Zaria really developed cos I can't see dat apart from having more of higher institutions nd wat hv u... They r just lucky to b favored by govt in d past.

Eastern Gashua is dominated by d Bades- Hausas and Kanuri r also present. Ngizim are d real occupants of postikum, dere emirs from onset r mostly Ngizim nd one or two bades. They r also present in Bornu nd Jigawa bfor, but r extinct now. They dey easily foregone dere dialect for Hausa.


Gumel is kinda popular because of its evry two days market day... Daz all I knw.


Most governors in Nigeria don't spend a week in dere states, instead, dey go to Abuja. If a governor wit all d luxuries can't stay in his state who re u expecting to stay, besides, it's not a core north tin, it's a Nigeria stuff. People tend to live where dere businesses will flourished. Despites, Ogun state is developed, their rich men prefer to live in Lagos to Ogun state.

Ok.

So, what do all these Bades, Ngizims, Kanuris and other minority groups people who have been hausanized (i mean those people from these tribes). What do they identify as? Do they identify as Hausas ethnically or they still retain their original ethnic identity??

Is Kanuri language taught in schools in kanuri speaking areas?

Talking about urbanisation, yes i know that it is an all round Nigerian problem, but i don't think this issue affects South-South and South-east Nigerians as such.

Almost every state in the SE/SS has an influential, populated, rapidly developing and considerably rich capital city. Some states like Delta, Anambra, Abia even have up to 2-3 of such cities.
As for the South-west, Lagos is clearly their problem, but however, places like Ibadan are rapidly developing.

But if you look at the whole north, you will see that apart from Kano, Kaduna, Jos, Zaria and Ilorin, no other city can you really regard as well developing. Maiduguri is battling with boko haram which has really reduced it's potentials.
Look at states like Kebbi, Sokoto, Taraba, Zamfara, Jigawa, Yobe, Adamawa and others, no viable cities we can really say are rapidly developing and urbanizing.
Thank God for Abuja that has come to seriously urbanize states like Nasarawa and Niger.

There is a very big gap between the North and the South (if you understand what am talking about).

leathalbeast:
the bleaching is too much o

I just dey look you in Ashanti

TayserMahiri:
Social gathering halls?? lol, man. Those are conference facilities. And you don't wanna try kenya on that one too. We have them in countless numbers

No, they are mostly for social gatherings in Nigeria.