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Wow! I graduated from the department of Anatomy in Uniben some years ago! She taught me! Rest in peace our beloved Mama! Admins lalasticlala front-page abeg |
senatordave1:The definition of ethnicity is fluid! The difference between Ilajes, Okuns, Oyos and Aworis is worse than the difference between Igedes & Idomas yet the others are considered one ethnic group. It is up to Igedes, Idomas and other Idomoid speaking peoples to decide what they want for themselves. |
senatordave1:You are correct, in Nigeria, LGAs and states do not strongly correspond to ethnic boundaries. However, the military govts who created states and LGAs mostly wanted it to be so. There is no other LGA in Kogi east that is not Igala dominated save for Bassa. Ibaji, Olamaboro & Igalamela-Odolu are Southern Igalas. They speak different Igala dialect from the northern Igalas and are sometimes regarded as non-Igalas or Igbonized Igalas by the northern Igalas. A significant percentage of the Southern Igalas speak Igbo as a second language. There are also many Igbo settlers in these areas. You also have the Ogugu people who are the majority in Olamaboro LGA. However, the Ogugus identify as Igalas. They are a unique Igala subgroup. Oworos (Okuns) are only found in Lokoja LGA, they are not found in Koton Karfe LGA. Ebira kotos for example do not even identify as Ebiras. They identify as EGBURA. They themselves (Ebira tribes) do not identify as one or like to be identified as one. The difference between the various Ebira speaking groups is just like the difference between APA PEOPLE (IDOMOID PEOPLE), that is the Idomas, Igedes, Agatus, Alagos, Akyes, Yallas & Yaches. They may all have same origins and speak similar languages, but they have evolved unique identities for themselves. The division among the Ebira tribes is also worsened by the fact that they are not contiguous with each other. Ebira kotos do not share land boundaries with Ebira Taos, they are separated by the Okuns & Bassas. |
9jakool:Actually, I am aware of this, however, there are still some Igala communities that wrongly fell under Bassa LGA. I have forgotten their names. Same boundary misadjustment left some Igala towns in Benue state (Apa LGA) and some Idoma towns in Kogi state (Omala LGA). Actually his rough estimates are more accurate. Kogi East without Bassa LGA gives the Igala around 40-41%. I don't believe Igalas are native to Ajaokuta and if they are found there, their population would be negligable.Yes, Igalas are not more than 40% of Kogi population. Lol, Igalas are the owners of Ajaokuta town (the LG headquarters). The town is just on the banks of the River Niger, though on the Western side. Many Ebira villages were merged with Ajaokuta town to give Ajaokuta LGA and that is why Ebiras are the majority in the LGA. You forget that the Igalas have always been a people of the Niger, the Niger has never limited their settlements to the Wast. They used the Niger to trade with their Edo, Yoruba and Igbo neighbors and that is why there are so many other Igala speaking towns across the Niger, like Ilushi & Ifeku island in Edo state, Ebu, Nzam, Olumbanasa e.t.c in Delta and Anambra states. Ajaokuta is not the only Igala town on the other side of the Niger. Oworos are the largest group in Lokoja as they occupy parts of Lokoja city and 70% of the LGA outside of the city.I agree that Oworos are the largest group in Lokoja LGA, but they are like 40-45% of the population of the LGA in my opinion and I don't know if they occupy 70% of the rural areas outside the city, it may not be up to that. Anyway, here is a link of all the communities in Lokoja LGA below. https://nigeriazipcodes.com/4442/list-of-towns-and-villages-in-lokoja-lga/ Lokoja LGA has 4 districts, Lokoja rural, Oworo, Kakanda & Kupa. It seems like you forget that there are dozens of villages along the Niger river up till you enter Niger state and the northern parts of Lokoja LGA, and all these villages fall under Lokoja LGA and belong to Nupe speaking Kakandas & Kupas. Go through the link above and you will see that the number of villages in Kakanda & Kupa districts outnumber those of Oworo district in a 55:45 manner. Besides, many villages under Oworo district are now part of Lokoja urban. Kogi state in my opinion is 40% Igala, 25% Ebira tao, 20% Okun, then the remaining 15% goes to Ebira Koto, Ebira Mozum, Bassas, Gbagyis, Kakandas, Kupas and Ogori-Magongos. |
Supan:Whatever the agenda of the OP was. The most important thing is that I gave a balanced approach throughout this thread, neither favoring Aniomas or Urhobos one over the other. Me an anti-Igbo northerner? Me that most Hausa fulanis and Yorubas on nairaland say that I am Igbo? ![]() Well that is your headache, I am not on nairaland to please anybody. Lastly, u said Buhari and fulani herdsmen have cleared my People's doubt to know who the real enemies are? Apart from the civil war which all Nigerians were against you Igbos, including many SS people, can u show me where Plateau people have ever supported Hausa fulanis? In the 1979 elections when all the SS people voted either Awolowo or Shagari, did Zik not win in Plateau state? |
senatordave1:You are just feeding Kyase with half truths. There are Igala Indigenes in Bassa & Ajaokuta LGAs or don't u know? Ebira kotos are the largest group in Lokoja & Kotonkarfe (Kogi) LGAs combined. There are also Ebiras in Bassa LGA called Ebira Mozum. |
EasternActivist:I am defending Aniomas, they are Deltans and I am also a Deltan by birth and naturalization. You are neither from Delta, nor where u born there nor probably have you ever step your foot there. So get lost and face your Abia state. The person who created this thread tagged me to contribute on the thread cos he respects and cherishes my opinions and contributions about Delta state. See this one talking about killings, aren't Igbos also killed in the north too? Did the Madalla bomblast in Niger not kill more Igbos than any other tribe? Common sense is not always common. |
Nowenuse:Eh hen, I forgot to add this. @ Mystiquefia, Efe2real, Efewestern, Fratermathy, darfay e.t.c Here is another very illustrious Urhobo son making Urhobo land very proud in the diaspora! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okieriete_Onaodowan He is a fvcking Grammy award winner! And the most surprising thing is that he is from Uvwie! Yes! Our very own beloved Uvwie and Ekpan for that matter! He is my best friend's cousin!. Infact the day I saw his name on TV, I had to pause it, copy the name and call my friend immediately (cos they share the same surname)... My friend confirmed it to me that Okieriete's father and his own father are brothers, but Okieriete's father relocated to the US long ago and all his children grew up in the US, but I think some of them were born in Nigeria/Ghana. However, it seems like they have all become Black Americans . Their mother is Bini. |
Efewestern:You are very correct with this. But I guess you used the wrong terminology. Warri urban has a high population of MIDDLE-CLASS citizens. Most who are connected to the oil industry. Hence there is a greater cash and income flow in the city. Otherwise if you talk about the multiplicity of companies & industries, I get lost. In the entire Southern Nigeria, after Lagos, Portharcourt, I think Warri should come next in a higher population/percentage of middle-class citizens. We shouldn't look at past glories, presently everyone is digging it out, during a recent Igbo/Yoruba human development debate on Nairaland, I was marveled at the level of human development of the Urhobo/Isoko people, faraway US the Urhobos were representing, the Yoruba guy even pasted the names, with some mistaken as Igbo.Don't mind Igbos & Yorubas on nairaland who have taken almost a decade to make compilations of their successful people for the sake of bragging and dick measurement. To them, other Nigerians have nothing since we don't come on nairaland to do these dick measurements with them. Your people have human capital abeg. Una dey try. Especially my Ughelli and Ethiope peeps. I'm not really interested in this debate, I would have pasted names of PTI graduates in a certain sessions, the Urhobos were practically dominating.Kai, PTI na Urhobo school na ![]() See, Mind u, I never said Aniomas go to school more than Urhobos oo...hell no! Almost all Southern Nigerians now go to school equally, just that some started before others and that was what I was saying. Talking about schools, if you try DELSU, UNIBEN & AMBROSE ALLI, Anioma people equal or even outnumber you guys in these schools, especially UNIBEN. Unless you add Isokos to your numbers then u give Aniomas a sound knockout. No idea, Uvwie has a very small population, they are the least in the entire Urhobo land, although the richest and most developed.True, Uvwie Indigenes are not so many. However, I don't think they are the least. Warri south Urhobos are the smallest, before Uvwie, but clearly, Uvwie is the most developed part of Urhobo land. Do u have the name of the former Unuevworo of Ekpan? I'd like to know his name. |
ZZ22:I even identify as Plateau-Gurara-Gongola (all northern Christian tribes), before Plateau, before my ethnic group. |
Nwanyiogwashi:Okay, nice one. If you are truly an Enuani or Anioma lady from Ogwashi as you say, my advice for you is to try to read and read and read more. Learn much more about your people, their history and everything. You cannot defend or project your people's interests when you don't know much about them. |
EasternActivist:You are a clown. How can I feel threatened when a Deltan is pro-Igbo? One of the co-founders of PROUDLY ANIOMA PROUDLY IGBO group on Facebook is my very very close friend, we talk almost every day. Look at the screenshot below, where I was correcting a Yoruba man who was trying to claim Olukumi as Yoruba people, and I let him know that Olukumis have been clearly Igbonized and can never be Yoruba anymore. Now tell me why I would do this if I was threatened by Igbo unification? I only stand for the truth and the truth alone on nairaland. I was born and bred in Delta state. I am more of a Deltan by mentality and lifestyle and this is why I identify with anything Delta. Okay? I have even defended Aniomas here more than Nwanyiogwashi, cos he/she is not knowledgeable about his/her place.
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darfay:Also, Urhobo LGAs are more mixed and cosmopolitan than Anioma LGAs. So you cannot use the numbers of registered voters in Urhobo land to judge the population of Urhobos. It does not work that way. Ethiope east (without Abraka) is the only Urhobo LGA I think that is overwhelmingly homogenous. Okpe is somehow homogenous if not for places like Jeddo, Osubi & Okuokuokuo that are now very mixed. Uvwie, Udu, Sapele, and Ughelli LGAs are very mixed and cosmopolitan. Ethiope west has Oghara. Among Anioma LGAs, only Oshimili south & to an extent Ika south (Agbor) is mixed. Even the Agbor, how many Urhobos, Isokos, Ijaws or Itsekiris are there? It is still overwhelmingly Anioma. So, stop using census or voters figures to claim population for Urhobos, it is wrong. |
darfay:When I say development, I mean urbanization. Asaba urban is as big and urbanized as Urhobo parts of Warri, Udu & Uvwie combined. SE Igbos are seriously investing into the city. Asaba though does not have as much IGR and companies as Warri. But even the so called companies and industries in Warri, how many are they? Depot has gone down the drain, DSC has been dead. Shell & Chevron have left. NPA is not functioning. So I don't really see these industries & companies u people are talking about in Warri. Warri is becoming a shadow of itself by the day, unlike the late 90s and early 2000s when Warri was Warri. I agree that urhobo and isoko people lack human capital development and most of the youths are lazy and that deve attitude is very smelly. I know Igbo are usually smart so no surprise should dey top the class but it's nowe e b like say u sef dey follow our urhobo brothers carry last for class that time oIt's not as if there were no intelligent Urhobos in my schools, hell no. Just that Aniomas did better. When I was in snr sec school, the 2 most intelligent girls in my class arm were Enuanis. The 2 most intelligent girls in the entire class (all the arms) were Enuanis. Among the guys, Urhobos did slightly better than the Enuanis. I was always among the top 3-5. So I wasn't doing so terrible. In my varsity department/faculty, Enuanis were clearly ahead of others, though Edos gave them a hot chase. If you grow up in Delta, how then are you able to speak hausa?Lol, I am in Jos now and people get so embarrassed and laugh when I speak Hausa, cos to them I have a very Igbotic accent .I am far from fluent in Hausa. People hardly believe it here when I tell them I am from Plateau. My parents spoke Hausa with themselves at home and whenever we traveled to our hometown back in the late 90s and early 2000s, all the children spoke only Hausa and no English, so we were forced to learn. Now, almost every young person in Plateau speaks English, and that is why my younger brother cannot alter a single word of Hausa ![]() I also made personal efforts to learn and improve my Hausa, cos I just cannot be an activist for my people and be like an outcast whenever I am among them. My Hausa is so poor that if real Hausas are conversing, I cannot join the conversation, unless it is being written cos I learnt written Hausa on my own. However the average 2nd language Hausa speaking person from Plateau or Southern Kaduna can join the conversation if 2 real Hausas are speaking. But me I just nod my head ![]() |
Nwanyiogwashi:Yes Enuanis are closer to Igbos, this is clear. And many of them are proud Igbos too. However, there is still a clear difference. Most Enuanis do not carry Igbo on their head like gala or become so violent, insulting and restless about it. They tend to be very passive about their Igboness. Although there are a few who are assertive, but they are very few. |
Nwanyiogwashi:I like Lilliantalks? How laughable. I only support her claims to Anioma more than yours, cos first of all, she gives out that real Anioma vibes which I have known among Anioma people all my life. She seems more knowledgeable about Anioma land than you who just rant pointlessly without any knowledge. Also, you are just so naturally anti Urhobo and this is not a trait common with Aniomas. Anyway, u could be Anioma too, just that u don't fit into the stereotypical Anioma. I have a very very close Anioma friend who is a cofounder of the movement PROUDLY ANIOMA PROUDLY IGBO.... Even he himself is not as pro Igbo as you are. He insists that DELTA IGBO is the unifying identity meant for his people and that they cannot loose their uniqueness to a greater Igbo IDENTITY. Ask Pazienza in case u dont know the group or person I am talking of. |
Kwashiman:You are very crude, assertive and sentimental in your submissions. This is not a trait common with Enuani people. However, there are a few who are like this, so perhaps u are among the few. However, I dont understand what u mean by saying some Ikas & Ukwuanis claim Bini. No Ika or Ukwuani person will tell you they are ethnically Bini. They may only claim Benin ancestry and if that is what you meant, there are many Enuani towns with Bini, Igala & Yoruba ancestries. So, what is your point? These are some of the reasons why I doubt you being Enuani. |
darfay:Exactly. Isoko people are very visible everywhere. You see them almost everywhere, yet they still have a fairly populated homeland. And their home LGAs are very homogeneous. Isokos are up to 1 million in my estimate, while Urhobos should be like 2.5 million in my estimate. Isokos are the most widely travelled among all the Edoid groups. Though Afemais & Esans give u guys a hot chase here. Cc Mystiquefia, Efe2real, Efewestern Urhobos used to travel very well in the past but not anymore. Benins only go abroad. |
Kwashiman:Okay nice. Ibe Kachikwu is from your town. I also have a very close friend from Igbodo, your neighbouring town and this guy is a walking encyclopedia. He is one of the founders of the PROUDLY ANIOMA PROUDLY IGBO group on Facebook. Perhaps u may know him? What quarter/clan are you from in Onicha-Ugbo? Apart from Ibe Kachikwu, which other influential people are from your town? |
Kwashiman:I am not interested in arguing this further with you. Whatever I state here is my opinion. And as an outsider who grew up in Delta state, I believe my opinions are not bias. You can see that I challenged Urhobos here too where I felt they were wrong. You can check the thread from the beginning. Also, as someone who is more pro-Igbo on nairaland. I have nothing to gain telling lies against the Igbos. Or purposely wanting to divide them. Rather I even urge Anioma people in real life to be more pro-Igbo. Cos I prefer the greater consolidation of African ethnic groups and not Balkanization. |
Kwashiman:Probably. Within that 60-40, 50-50 range. We're still saying the same thing. Where are u from in Enuani? Just interested. |
Kwashiman:Don't force words into my mouth. I said, Anioma people naturally do not have any feeling of rivalry, antagony or hate for the Urhobos. They see them more as brothers in the same state. Nwanyiogwashi reeks of this, that is why I doubt she is Anioma. Aniomas are naturally very friendly, welcoming, neutral and passive people. I really have no business in whatever you identify with, Aniomas identify differently, but the general identity which majority of them accept is ANIOMA & DELTA IBO. This has been my observation. Ask about me on nairaland, people usually say I am Igbo cos I am pro-IPOB, pro seccessionist and quite anti-Yoruba. So I have no form of beef against Igbo for me to paint them badly. You can ask the likes of Pazienza or Supan about me. |
Kwashiman:Enuanis are even the ones who carry DELTA IGBO identity on their head like gala. I have met with many Ikas & Ndokwas who reject the DELTA IGBO TAG and don't want to have anything to do with the word IGBO. Go to ENUANI FOUNDATION on Facebook and see the hot debates they have with SE Igbos there time to time. In Enuani land, it is mostly Ogwashi-uku, Igbuzor, Akuku-Igbo and some Asaba people who strongly flaunt Igbo identity. Odiani towns, Ebu, Illah, Onicha-Ugbo, Ubulu-uku mostly reject the IGBO tag. While others are very mixed. However, all Enuanis gladly accept the DELTA IGBO tag. |
Kwashiman:I didn't mean Enuani was 50-50 about Igboness. I meant in terms of intermarriage and interrelationships. Enuanis intermarry and interrelate with Nigerdeltan tribes as much as they do with the SE Igbos. For Ikas & Ukwuanis on the other hand, they intermarry and interrelate with Nigerdeltan minorities far more than they do with SE Igbos. |
Kwashiman:Nope. I grew up in Delta state and I can tell you the truth on ground. Most Aniomas do not hate Urhobos or see the need to compete or antagonize them as Nwanyiogwashi is doing... Only SE Igbos have such mentality. Liliantalks is more of an Anioma than Nwanyiogwashi. Take it from me. Aniomas are very passive in nature and character, they are passive Igbos. We know them when we see them. |
Kwashiman:No it is not true. 90% of Aniomas accept that they are Delta Ibo, but if you say IGBO, only like 40% accept this (especially towards the Enuani axis). |
efe2real:Hmm, I don't know if you are being sincere with what you are saying. @Efewestern, darfay & Mystiquefia I have met with so many Okpe people who clearly tell me that they are not Urhobos. I have also met with those who accept that they are Urhobos. Read this below. https://okpeunionamerica.org/message-to-urhobo-brothers/ |
Liliantalks:If u don't mind, what part of Anioma are you from? |
myobjective:Very very correct. With time, Africa will naturally evolve the way Europe did. Starting from this traphole called Nigeria which will divide in the nearest future. |
