₦airaland Forum

Sunshineg5:
So you just know that the ipob tout is boy and probably from South East. He has knowledge of Delta because he probably spent some of his life in Delta.

In my entire life, I have never seen igbos in Delta fight Uhrobos openly.

Nwanyiogwashi does not even know anything about Delta state. All he/she does is rant endlessly and pointlessly.

We know the real Aniomas when we see them.

Lostz:
no one know Ozoro or ogwashi outside biko. sapele, warri, ugheli Agbor, Asaba and to some extent Abraka are the only places known outside Delta.

water is an important aspect of urbanization. when there is no natural water, you provide man made source of water that is available for all.

please we should stop dividing Delta. we should not allow Kanu and his ipob deceive us. Nigeria is not breaking soon. or you think Southeast Igbo will love you more than you fellow Deltans?

please Deltans are United. we are already marrying each other. just last December my cousin went to pay his wife bride price at obiaruku.
if you see me speaking Ukwuani in real life you will even think I am one of you

You are a bit correct with this.

Ikas & Ukwuanis actually seem to prefer and intermarry Urhobos, Isokos & Benins more than the SE Igbos.

Enuanis are the ones who are closer to the SE Igbos or are something like 50-50.

Efewestern:
Urhobo land doesn't have a direct access to the high sea, but Urhobo land is positioned in such a way that we all need each other, should the Warri port starts functioning, Urhobo land will be needed for operations.

Pls can u explain this?

Warri port is in Itsekiri area.
Burutu port is Ijaw area.

Efewestern:
Greetings Nowenuse.

One fact about the urbanization of Delta Central is the contributions of not only the Urhobos but Isoko, Ijaw and itsekiri who mostly dominate the oil sector, Most see Urhobo land as their major place of investment, hence the swell in population and urbanization. While Asaba can compete with Uvwie/Udu/Okpe/urhobo parts in Warri, it's no where near these places in terms of IGR, income flow and Industrialization, although Asaba is far more organized. As far as oil remains our major income, no place in Delta can compete.

When people talk of the high IGR and industries in Warri, I don't really understand. Apart from the Refinery and the Depot which is now no longer working. Or even the NPA that has been moribund? DSC has died for almost 2 decades.
Chevron & Shell have left.
I really don't see what is in Warri with high IGR.

Agbor is in the same league with Agharo, Obiaruku sees Abraka as their major town, most come in to work then go back on a daily basis.

Agbaro is part of Warri-Uvwie-Udu urban. It is not an urban area of it's own. You cannot compare it with Agbor. Agbor is bigger than Oghara in size.

Aniomas are trying when it comes to Education, but I still think it's a tie between Deltans. I give it to Enuanis though, I noticed they have this zeal for education as far back as the early 60's, but in recent decades, every one is catching up.

Other Deltans are catching up with Enuanis in education, but you know there is a very big difference between someone who is going to school and has very educated parents and grandparents and another who is going to school, but has illiterate/semi-literate parents and grandparents.

Most Enuanis have educated parents and even grandparents in some cases. This makes them comparatively more refined than other Deltans from my observation.
Apart from this everybody now goes to school equally.

Oil messed things for us which somehow had a negative impact on our mentality, the free money made some of Us reluctant but Urhobos from Agbon, Ughelli etc aren't really affected by this free money mentality, people from that angle are far more educated and hardworking.

Yes u are very correct. Ughellis and Ethiope Urhobos tend to be more hardworking and aspiring. They are also comparatively well-travelled.
If I may ask, who is the most successful Urhobo person from Uvwie LGA? Do u have an idea?

Igbosmoker:
even if you add anioma, urhobo and isoko including istekiri together you people won't still out number benins here in uniben.

Stop saying nonsense

Lol, in my department and faculty at large, Urhobos & Isokos outnumber Benins! Esans & Aniomas were dragging numbers with Benins.

Benins only dominate Uniben absolutely in terms of staff and workers and this begun around 2010 when a strong Bininization of Uniben staff began.

Sunshineg5:
You like to say nonsense

Ijaws in Ondo are not high sea dwellers, they are in Ese odo

It's the Ilajes in Ondo that are the high sea dwellers.

Are there no Ijaws in Warri north LGA?

Lostz:
growing economically? there are no economic activity in Asaba. or you think civil service grow a place economically.

there is no way Asaba will ever outgrow warri economically.

it is just like Lagos and Abuja

Many companies and investors have relocated from Warri due to the strong DEVE culture.

SE Igbo investors invest heavily in Asaba... Asaba can not be likened to Abuja. A place that has a very buoyant movie industry?

Asaba may find it difficult to outcompete Warri economically but in terms of development, urbanization and population, it is almost catching up.
Warri is not progressing, rather it is reducing. Asaba on the other hand is progressing.

Branzy:
Which aniocha oshimili. You said you schooled in uniben with ur head didn't you notice they were more urhobo in uniben. Ask anyone around urhobo are going to schools though they are still many people who don't go to school that's the problem with a big population.
Who the hell is aniocha/oshimili. Only ika (agbor) have ground in the entire delta north.
Then asaba. Asaba is a shadow town to onitsha. It can never grow pass a level. In fact it's an annex of onitsha, most of the buildings and business in asaba are owned by the igbos then urhobo before you see agbor. Aniocha/oshimili have no impact whatsoever in local politics. They may have Lagos base elite..



Obiaruku neutralize abraka. People that used to transport to abraka to withdraw money from atm
Kwale no difference between kwale and that village ogwash.
Delta North got three major urban centers asaba (igbo colony now with just govt house) agbor, obiaruku. Others kwale

Is it the delta north that like school too.

No bro, Urhobos did not outnumber Aniomas in Uniben.... Starting from my department and faculty, Aniomas were more. Only when you add Isokos to Urhobos, then you outnumber Aniomas and even Benins and become the largest group in UNIBEN.

What you are saying about Asaba is not true.
As a non-Igbo person, how do you tell the difference between Enuanis & Igbos?

Obiaruku is as big and developed as Abraka. I have measured this with Google maps.
Abraka is just more busy and populated because of the University.
So it wouldn't be a surprise if the banks and ATMs in Abraka are functioning more than those in Obiaruku.

darfay:
It's actually true, some of their communities with the usual Umi this umu that are Isoko speaking.
I personally believe that urhobo and isoko were edoid groups who migrated into very sparsely populated igboid lands amongst also the virgin lands which they settled.
Anibeze in bayelsa state for example is an Isoko settlement without any modern trace of igboid population but the name of the community means nothing in isoko language but is self explanatory in igboid languages.
This is just my personal opinion tho and shouldn't be taken as facts tho

Lol you Urhobos & Isokos are mini Tivs and mini fulanis when it comes to breeding and dominating places.
Isokos are outbreeding Ndokwa people in that Ndokwa east seriously. Ndokwa east is very big and sparsely populated Sha. So much virgin land.

Chamukebenson:
I have been following this thread .

When I served in kaduna state, I was so in love with deltans , they were so cooperative towards each other , even with different ethnic groups in delta , u wouldn’t notice if u ain’t told , They drank together and mingled like they knew before coming to camp but they all met in camp , everyone admired them and envied their pidgin.

So this not making sense to me

Hahahaha,. This is because they are outside their state.

Anyway, Deltans are actually very lovable and fun people to be with. Down to earth. They are not proud people.
Tribalism is not even a big issue among them in everyday life, except when it comes to politics.

Eastlink:
Ijaws fourth largest, lol! Abeg, who count am.
The Urhobos are even more than the Ijaws in numbers. Bayelsa states has open Ijaw nyash of so-called numbers. How can a group of coast people have population more than those with lands.
In my opinion the 4th, 5th and 6th largest ethnic groups are thus:
4th - Kanuri
5th - Efik/Ibibio
6th - Tiv
7th - Urhobo
8th - Ijaw
9th - Igala
10th - Gwari

Urhobos cannot outnumber Ijaws & Gbagyis.
However they can tie with Igalas, Idomas, Nupes & Benins.

darfay:
I know, but even if you remove 20% from it, it still outnumbers them

Isokos are not as small as you think they are.
If you add Urhobos & Isokos together, Isokos make up to 30% of the population, if not more.

People look down on Isoko numbers cos they have only 2 LGAs and migrate from their land like nonsense.
Isokos outnumber Itsekiris by far and can measure up to the Ijaws in Delta state if not outnumber them.

I knew Isokos were so many looking back when I was in schools. In my secondary sch in Warri, for every 10 Urhobos you find, you find like 6 Isokos. Infact in my department and faculty in Uniben, Isokos equalled Urhobos in numbers. Living in Warri, Isokos can give Urhobos from outside Warri area (i e Ughellis, Okpes & Ethiopes) a good run for their money in numbers.

It's unfortunate that Isokos got only 2 LGAs. If we had ethnic census in Nigeria, so many lies would have been exposed.
Imagine somebody here (Senatordave1) claiming Itsekiris are more than Isokos.

When I was in Uniben, there was only 1 Itsekiri girl in my department while Isokos were dragging numbers with Ishans & Afemais.

People just claim Itsekiris & Ijaws have numbers in Delta state, but you don't see them anywhere.

Efewestern:
Greetings.

I initially never wanted to comment on this thread because of some strange monikers hiding under the Anioma banner to dish out hate, very uncommon with the good people of Anioma, never have I met any Anioma child with such level of hate and bitterness.

My little contributions to the thread.

Delta state, infact Nigeria as a whole is lagging behind when it comes to real development, most of our cities are highly overrated, so I'm definitely not going to talk about cities but level of urbanization in Delta state.

Urbanization.

It's an open secret that Delta central is one of the most urbanized region in Delta state, all thanks to the oil industry. 3 of the 6 urbanized towns in Delta State are in Urhobo land, the rest spread across other regions.

Top 6 Urban Areas in Delta State


Uvwie/Udu/Parts of Okpe(Jeddo, Osubi) - Urhobo
Warri - Shared with itsekiri and Ijaw
Asaba
Agbor
Ughelli - Urhobo
Sapele. - Urhobo

Human resources

Deltans generally are doing very great, was looking at a a list of Nigerians who graduated with masters in a US university, to my greatest surprise, for every Yoruba and Igbo, there's either an Urhobo name, an Isoko name or an Edo name, even with a population of less that 6 millions, the Urhobos were practically competing with the big two in human development.

In business, they have produced big shots like Ibru and co, till date, the Urhobos still control the fishing industry in Lagos. In entertainment, they own the comedy industry and are doing well in the movie industry, although still can't compare to the big two. In sports, Anioma trumps everyone.

Anioma dominate the financial sector and are also one of the southern group with huge concentration in the armed forces in southern Nigeria. Every family has a son in either the army, the navy, air force or police.

Resources

Urhobo is the third highest producer of crude oil in Delta State, followed by Isoko then Anioma with Itsekiri and Ijaw being the First and second.

pazienza , Mystiquefia, darfay, Nowenuse

Nice one. Yes Urhobo land is more urbanized than Anioma land.
Infact I keep telling my Anioma friends to thank their stars that they got the captial in Asaba, otherwise their homeland would have almost been nothing to write about.

Now Asaba can neutralize Urhobo parts of Warri urban/Uvwie/Udu in development.

Agbor can neutralize Ughelli. Obiaruku can neutralize Abraka, but Obiaruku is not populated with vibes like Abraka with the university.

Kwale can neutralize Oghara.

The Urhobos still have Sapele standing

Ogwashi Uku is nothing and can only compare the likes of Mosogar-Jesse.


In terms of human capital. It is almost a tie between Aniomas & Urhobos. However, I will say that Aniomas have a more higher quality population than Urhobos and this is not insulting.
Urhobos had and still keep on having many more children than Aniomas and this reduced the quality of the population.

Take the Enuanis for example, they are the most educated in Delta state in my opinion. You hardly come across a full blown illiterate from this area. All my life in Delta state, I have only come across one woman in her middle age from Enuani who was an illiterate. But for the Urhobos, Isokos, Ijaws, Itsekiris and even Ikas & Ndokwas, it is higher.

I attended Federal government college Warri & UNIBEN and through my years in both schools, Enuanis (Anochia/Oshimili people) were always at the top of the class and performed better than the Urhobos and others on average. These Enuanis also tend to come from richer and more educated middle-class families from my observation. .

However in terms of successful people. It is almost a tie between Urhobos and Aniomas. Urhobos almost exclusively founded and grew the comedy industry of Nigeria. They dominate this industry.
They carved a niche for Warri in Nigeria. Though, Aniomas are far ahead in capitalism and wealth creation.

Oil discovery came in too early for the Urhobos. It has unfortunately made many of them very lazy and reluctant with a strong sense of entitlement. ....
This character is worse among the Uvwie, Udu & Warri south Urhobos. So many of them do not want to go to school anymore, but want to be in charge of community funds and allocations. Oil is really more of a curse than a blessing abeg.

Nwanyiogwashi:
but we are still under Anioma cultural group? We meet together and do meet together both in school and churches unlike okpe kingdom and urhobo that do theres differently

You are not a very smart person.

Your comments are full of rantings without any sensible analysis.
Go and learn to read well if you truly want represent Anioma people.

For me I think you are a very young SE Igbo male teenager who is over-obssesed with Anioma issues.

You are not an Anioma person.

Mystiquefia:
i was surprised when dey kept on rolling out names oh. many of us here dont even know or care about the industralists from our lands. I believe it came to be with the several altercations they had with yorubas on which tribe is superior sha, so they are always bandying it everywhere waiting to rub it on peoples face

Hahaha, this is very true.

Yorubas & Igbos, due to their constant rivalry on nairaland have taken years and years to compile lists of successful people from their ethnic groups.
They always bring it out and accuse other tribes of not having successful people whenever the need arises.

efe2real:
I disagree with you. Urhobo has many dialects. Some of them include ughiewvien, Udu, Uvwie, Ughelli, Olomu, Agbarho, Okpe, Agbarha, Jesse, Oghara, and Ewvreni. Okpe dialect is similar to Uvwie dialect. An Ughiewven man might have a hard time understanding an Uvwie and an Okpe man. The general Urhobo spoken is that of Agbarho.

Any of this dialect can choose to become a distinct ethnic group like the Isoko if they want. Likewise many choose to remain in the Urhobo nation just like the Okpes. The Isokos and Urhobos were jointly reffered to as the Sobos by the British during the colonial era. While the Isokos decided to forge an ethnic identity of theirs later, the other Urhobo dialects, including the Okpes, decided to stay within the Urhobo nation.

It is the same way an Anambra man might have a hard time understanding an Edda man from Ebonyi. But they are all Igbos.

The names and culture of the different dialects, plus Okpe, and even that of Isoko, are quite similar with minor differences here and there.

I just want to point out that there are different dialects among the Urhobos.

Nice one.

Politically, Okpes are still together with the Urhobos, but mentally, most Okpes reject Urhobo identity. Why is this so?

Many of them vehemently assert their Okpe identity and get angry and even violent if you insist it is the same with Urhobo.

Lostz:
Urhobo actually voted for Okowa. we are not as greedy as the southeast.

the Urhobos don't have governor now but have the highest ranked elected individual in the Southsouth/East. your 45m population should get you more than just governor in Nigeria. you should be battling with the Yorubas and hausa

Asaba may be capital but does not measure economically to warri

Bro, unfortunately, Asaba is growing and developing rapidly to almost outcompete Warri.

If Delta central doesn't produce a reasonable governor next who invests much and develops Warri, Asaba will displace Warri as the heart of Delta state in the nearest future.

pazienza:
What's the meaning of presently?

Did the world start existing presently.
How about the fact that Urhobo has no single Governor while Ndiigbo have 5 plus 2 Igboid governors in Okowa and Wike.
Okowa is ruling you in your state and you guys are perpetually condemned to gnash your teeth over Asaba capital status until Nigeria stops existing.
I mean Asaba is closer to Awka than its to Warri. Before you leave Sapaele to Asaba I have already gone to Asaba from my home town in Ogidi and come back thrice . Your capital city serves Ndiigbo in Anambra more than it serves you, it must be painful for your guys over there.

Anioma has 9 LGA, you have just 7 and have to claim Isoko to measure up to Anioma.

Mind yourselves, Ndiigbo are not your problem.

. This is savagery at it's highest. It is painful, but it is true.
Asaba actually serves SE Igbos more than it does Urhobos, Itsekiris, Isokos & Ijaws.

Kai, this one Nigeria ehn.

Mystiquefia:
Delta State is governed by an anioma man and still doing badly. Infact delta state had never retrogressed like it has under okowa. You Love Cheastbeating Alot.. Have you heard of the ibru family?

As a Deltan by birth, I disagree with you on this.
Uduaghan destroyed the state and has been the worst performing governor, not Okowa, let us be sincere.

Okowa is working in every part of Delta state except Warri-Uvwie-Udu urban (which is unfortunate).

darfay:
There is an under utilised seaport at sapele. Them get hope pass una

Does Urhobo land have access to the high sea without going through Itsekiri or Ijaw territories?
I doubt that, it is highly unlikely.

Cc Efe2real, Efewestern, Mystiquefia

darfay:
No qualms bro, are you also isoko too?

When they eventually get their state, u will know Agbor is different from Aboh. But ukwale and ika people don't identity with Anioma

No pls you are wrong.

Most Ukwuani & Ikas reject Igbo identity, but they never reject Anioma. They embrace it with wide arms open.
You are mistaking Anioma for Igbo here.

Most Ukwuanis & Ikas even accept the Delta Ibo tag... The pure Igbo identity is what they have a problem with cos they cherish their uniqueness from the SE.

darfay:
They are still more Isoko communities there sef While ndokwa villages like asaba ase now has an Isoko majority speaking population and igboid was talking of assimilation

Igboid is actually Ignorant of this.

Actually, the Isokos are the ones assimilating the Igbo speakers in Ndokwa LGA.

omoharry:
What I see here is a group of people arguing over which tribe is more important than the other in Delta state.Of cos every tribe will say their tribe is more important in areas of values, population, social/political relevance etc.
If only we could use this energy as a think tank to suggest ways our restive and lazy youth in Delta state can be de-radicalize from their troublesome way of doing things, which have prevented investors from seeing Warri/Delta state as a peaceful and good place to invest in.

We are always at each others neck to brag over who is better than the other..do you guys expect the other tribe to stand bye and accept to be looked down on by another tribe? of cause not..so why do we always engage in this kind of argument that add no value to our very existence? of what good is this argument anyway? All the claim over land by the Ijaw, Urhobos and the Itsekiris , how has it brought development to the land?.All I see are some group of leaders who feel entitle to Warri so that they can continue get royalties from companies/Govt in order to fill up their pocket and that of their cronies. While the land is left under developed and their people linger in abject poverty with decaying and polluted environment.
It was under the eyes of this Obas that our environment were polluted and degraded by oil companies. And what did they do? Nothing. They looked the other way and allowed their subject to suffer undue hardship as a result of the environmental pollution caused by oil spillage . As far as I cam concerned these obas and ovies' title should be scrapped.

Warri is in a sorry state becos the Itsekiris feel they have more right to the land while the Urhobos & Ijaws are always contesting it.And the result is violence and youth restiveness.There is no meaningful development in Warri today becos each tribe has often tried to sabotage any development in different location of another tribe since the project is not sited on their region.why?

Why cant we discuss on how to change the mind of our youth from their entitlement mentality through a social/Govt program for this very purpose?. Why cant we let them see that the reason Warri is in a sorry state state is because of their violent and restive nature? .They need to understand that due to their troublesome nature they have succeeded in chasing out companies and investors that are suppose to provide jobs for the them and their community. They should understand that the reason the oil companies have refused to return their head quarters back to Delta/River state is becos of who we are..our people are not peaceful at all.We are too violent and myopic..they see gra gra as a way of life. Our Lazy youth/their leaders do not see beyond their nose and always want fast money through their entitlement behavior. Now there is hunger in the land and this same youth have resorted to robbery and kidnapping as a way of life. We should be concern about restoring Warri to the way it was when we had companies that went about their businesses without the tribal wars of the Three tribes getting in the way.

All these stupid argument of which tribe is more important than the other or who is more entitled to Warri is all rubbish.I dont know why the black man will never sit down to think on how to solve a problem but would rather be masturbating over who he is better than in other to make him feel good .That is a pathetic way of thinking.

Wow, I love this.
You always make sensible comments ever since I knew you.

The sad truth is that we Africans are yet to evolve beyond ethnicity.
Europe was once where we were and they overcame this by many wars and conflicts which gave them the modern ethnic based countries they have today.

Not until we all Africans have ethnic based countries, we may never progress or leave the issues of Tribalism holding us back.

Our countries are a product of white men sitting on a table with a pencil. We need to have countries of our own which we choose.

Lostz:
is there any Igbo, ukwuani/Ndokwa or Anioma man...both in the Southeast/Southsouth who is occupying a higher position politically than DSP Obarisi Ovie Omo-Agege ?

Nnamdi Azikiwe is from Onitsha town and Onitsha is an Anioma town.
Can any Urhobo man can beat this (thinking)

9jakool:
Here is my take on this
1.) It's true there is an obvious linguistic and cultural link between the Igalas and Yoruba, I will admit that. However, Igala won't have been Yoruba even without the supposed kwararafan colonization you are referring to. The Niger river clearly demarcates Okun from Igala.

2.) The extent of Kwararafa migration is overexagerated by middle belt groups. So, Kogi Central was uninhabited when the Ebira came. I'm I supposed to belief that somehow the Ebira didn't keep traces of their Jukun language, but suddenly adopted a new tongue?

3.) My hypothesis is that the Ebira many groups molded their oral history after Kwararafa formation due to the prestige it serves. Ebira are more likely to be related to Nupe that anything Jukun, but that's their oral history and not my concern.

4.) Whatever the case may be, Igalas and Yoruba are separate ethnic groups and the rest is history.

Sunshineg5, forgiveness, YungMillionaire

Come and see how sensible people debate and comment.

@ forgiveness, you are an intelligent person and I will disregard your trolling of yesterday, cos that is not you. ... Unless perhaps you have changed.

@9jakool

1) Yes you are correct, the River Niger puts a strong natural boundary between Yorubas and Igalas, but don't forget that there are Igalas in Ajaokuta LGA, on your side of the River.

Besides, I don't see the strong reason why a River would have prevented Igalas from being Yorubanized if there wasn't a Kwararafan interference. The River Niger did not stop the Igbonization of Anioma, although it reduced it significantly.
Igalas would have ended up to you Yorubas like Anioma is to Igbos today without Kwararafan interference and not an entirely different ethnic group.
Infact for me, I think, if not for Ebira separation, Igala would have still been to you people like Itsekiri is to you now.

There is no reason why a Yoruba speaking group (Igalas) will be next door to another Yoruba speaking group (Okun) and one will come under the Yoruba nation without the other. It never happened anywhere in Nigeria among the big 3 tribes.


2 & 3) Pls get this clear. By all records, Kwararafa was never a monolingual or monoethnic empire. The Jukunoid tribes were the leaders but not the only people there. There were also the APA people (Idomas, Igedes, Agatus, Yallas & Yaches of Cross River e.t.c), Mumuye speaking tribes and many others.

Ebira speaking tribes were also part of the Empire. I hope u know that Ebira tao (of Kogi central) are not the only Ebira speaking people? Infact, by Ebira oral traditions, the Taos are the youngest and this is one reason why Ebira unity is difficult. The Egburas (Ebira Koto & Opanda) of FCT, Koton karfe & Nasarawa will never want to submit or be under the Ebira tao cos to them Tao is junior, but Tao has the numbers today.

Ebiras are not just claiming Kwararafa for nothing. Do u know that Ebiras greet their Kings AGABAIDU? Same with Igalas, Apas, Jukunoids and almost all the other Kwararafan tribes? OHI is the word for king in Ebira, in Idoma/Apa languages it is OCHI, unlike Nupe speaking & Gbagyi tribes who call king ETSU.
Atta is father in Ebira, Jukunoid languages too, hence the Attah of Igala land.
don't you see the similarities between Ebiras and other Kwararafan tribes? And there was never a time when Kwararafan influence crossed the Niger and influenced Ebiras. So it is impossible to say Kwararafan influence came on the Ebiras after the Igalas.
Ebiras consider Agatus (an Idomoid group) to be their people and call them Ebira Agatu. Agatus are neighbors of the Ebira kotos (Egburas) in Nasarawa. So you see the link?
Ebiras definitely left present day Agatu area and started migrating Westwards till they reached the Niger.
Oral history also has it that they lived with the Igalas for a short time before they reached Kogi central.

The land Ebiras settled in Kogi central as you can see is very small and hilly. Sandwiched between Okuns & Igalas.
Yoruba tribes have never been hill settlers or people of hilly/mountaineous cultures. I know that Ebiras couldn't have met the place completely empty. I suspect that they must have met these mountain cultured Oko/Akoko speaking group of people there whom they must have displaced and absorbed.


4) Yes, Igalas & Yorubas are separate today because of Kwararafan interference and nothing else. It is the same reason why Itsekiri is almost different from Yoruba due to Benin interference/difficult terrain boundaries.

Igalas speak a Yoruba based language. They are more related to you people than Eguns in Ogun/Lagos who speak an entirely different language yet some Yorubas still claim Eguns to be Yoruba. Heck, Igalas are even more related to you Yorubas than the mountaineous people of Akoko area who speak entirely unrelated languages to you guys but are being Yorubanized and claimed as Yorubas.

forgiveness:
I have cousins who don't understand one word in my language but fluent in English. Does that change the fact...... My son speaks Igbo and hears nothing in my Language (thou I have started teaching him), is he Igbo?

Go to East and see many Yoruba kids dey chop Igbo but can't speak ah for Yoruba. Dem be Igbo?

. I never knew you could be such a troll.

SocialJustice:
Yes, he is not. There are Urhobo and Ijaw Kings in Warri too. The title is actually Olu of Itsekiri but I think Awolowo was the one who changed it to Olu of Warri to score political point.

There are people who refer to the title as Olu of Itsekiri because in reality, the title holder rules over itsekiris alone and not Warri City unlike the Oba of Benin that is a Demigod in Benin City.

Yes, Awolowo favoured the Itsekiris a lot.
Urhobos are very lucky they left the Western region. Itsekiris would have used Yoruba numbers and power to completely annex and take over Warri.

Igboid:
They were just posing for the camera.

Odiani are proud Igbos. They acknowledge they came from Owo axis, and that's all. They have Igbonized. Their land is surrounded by Enu-ani communities. If you love them and don't want to cause problems for them, leave them alone and face your SW.

Igbide in Isoko are Igbos, but we don't associate with them because their land is not contiguous with any part of Anioma and they have Isokonized.

The first Igbo miss Nigeria, miss Helen Anyamelune, miss Nigeria 1958, was from there, and she proudly identified as Igbo. Her Victory was celebrated by Igbo Union then.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2012/08/23/former-miss-nigeria-helen-is-dead/amp/

I know Odiani people on their facebook pages. They are proudly Enuani and Igbo by extension while acknowledging their Owo migration origin.

Thank you, this was what I just said. Don't mind forgiveness, he is just trolling.

Nowenuse:
Of course Olukumi are a Yoruba speaking community, but the Yoruba language is rapidly going extinct. The younger generation are heavily becoming Igbo.

Go to ENUANI DEVELOPMENT PAGE on Facebook and see all the Ugbodu & Ukwunzu people proudly identifying as Enuani people. Those people are lost, they can never be redeemed. They are an enclave within Delta Igbos..... And mind u, not just them alone, there are the Igala speaking Ebu people too in that same Enuani land.

It is very common to find Ebu & Olukumis who will tell u that they are Igalas/Yorubas, others will tell you that they are Yoruba/Igala speaking Delta Igbos . Others just identify as Enuani or Delta Igbos or Aniomas and save themselves the stress.

Bring an Olukumi person and throw him/her among a group of Yoruba or Igbo people and watch where he/she will gravitate towards

Sunshineg5:
Yorubas are generally reasonable and realize there's no way those Yorubas can ever be reunited with us.

The Olukumi are in between Edos and Igbos and share no natural boundary with other Yorubas, just like Ijaws in Ondo trapped between Yorubas and Ishekiri.

Ijaws in Ondo are not trapped persee. There are other Ijaw communities in neighbouring Edo & Delta to the high sea.

darfay:
This was from the Midwest referendum in 1962/3

I saw it, I was going to quote you to let u know that Isokos were added to Urhobo population in those figures.

forgiveness:
Olukumis don't identify as Enuani, Anomia or Delta Igbo. Stop lying.

Abi you sabi pass de king?


“We are a Yoruba speaking community and the name of our language is Oloku mi,” she disclosed. [/b]Finally the king, H.R.M. Ayo Isinyemeze, the Oloza (Obi) of Ugbodu, met the desire of the writer. The youthful looking, handsome royal father explained. According to the monarch who is also the chairman of the Traditional Rulers Council in Aniocha North, the Ugbodu Oluku mi speaking people migrated from Owo/Akure axis in the current day Ondo State between 9th and 11th Century AD to settle down in Benin during the reign of King Ogiso of Benin.My children all bear Oluku mi names. I think there is renaissance, an effort of going back to our roots.

So, most of the children being born these days are named Oloku mi names.

According to Adebowale: “The real Oluku mi is like the Yoruba that is spoken in Owo in Ondo State. Someone from that place is expected to understand the language perfectly. I am an Oluku mi man and I am proud of my language.

https://ukpuru.tumblr.com/post/115435435597/far-from-home-yoruba-community-makes-home-in

Of course Olukumi are a Yoruba speaking community, but the Yoruba language is rapidly going extinct. The younger generation are heavily becoming Igbo.

Go to ENUANI DEVELOPMENT PAGE on Facebook and see all the Ugbodu & Ukwunzu people proudly identifying as Enuani people. Those people are lost, they can never be redeemed. They are an enclave within Delta Igbos..... And mind u, not just them alone, there are the Igala speaking Ebu people too in that same Enuani land.

It is very common to find Ebu & Olukumis who will tell u that they are Igalas/Yorubas, others will tell you that they are Yoruba/Igala speaking Delta Igbos . Others just identify as Enuani or Delta Igbos or Aniomas and save themselves the stress.

Bring an Olukumi person and throw him/her among a group of Yoruba or Igbo people and watch where he/she will gravitate towards

Ayekotoo:
Yorubas dont have anything in common with Igala people. In Kogi, Kabba is the only Yoruba subgroup

Kabba is a town and not a Yoruba subgroup.

Okun is the subgroup. Why are some of you so ignorant?