₦airaland Forum

Isahalbash:
Daz what I also said...it's mostly of tribal crises not religious, but sum mischievous people wud Mk it seemed like it religious. Take for instance, the southern Kaduna crises btw d herdmens nd d indigenes...it's purely tribal not religious.



Do you know that they killed hausas whenever fulanis attacked...they mount roadblocks nd set any vehicle carrying hausa/fulanis ablaze after removing their people from d vehicle. You won't see dis in d media, but it happens often at Goni gora, kafanchan under Jema'a LGA kaduna.

A lot of times also, the hausa-fulanis are the ones who turn it to a religious crisis like in 2008, the hausas assured the Igbo traders in Jos that they have no issues with them, that their target are the indigenes, only for the Hausas to turn around and burn down the Igbo spare part market at Farin gada.
This was how the Igbos and all other christians took sides with northern christians against Hausas/muslims and it turned into a full blown religious crisis.

Isahalbash:
Daz what I also said...it's mostly of tribal crises not religious, but sum mischievous people wud Mk it seemed like it religious. Take for instance, the southern Kaduna crises btw d herdmens nd d indigenes...it's purely tribal not religious.


Do you know that they killed hausas whenever fulanis attacked...they mount roadblocks nd set any vehicle carrying hausa/fulanis ablaze after removing their people from d vehicle. You won't see dis in d media, but it happens often at Goni gora, kafanchan under Jema'a LGA kaduna.

It's so sad. Most Plateau and Southern kaduna indigenes are christians, but my own tribe and few others are 50% muslims.
I have lost some of my own relatives who were mistaken for hausas just by being muslim at the hands of my own fellow christians.

You will not blame the christian indigenes, do you remember the Dogo na hauwa massacre of 2011 or thereabout? There used to be many hausas/muslims living in that village together with the christians, but the morning before the night attack, all the christian indigenes surprisingly woke up to see that all their muslim neighbours have vanished without understanding why.
This is what made most christians to believe that fulani herdsmen work together with town muslims.

Fulani herdsmen use hit and run tactics, after their havoc, the indigenes have no one to retaliate to and they choose to descend on people of the same religion with fulanis.

Isahalbash:
What caused d jos crises?

Same thing that caused the Wukari (Taraba), Tafawa balewa(Bauchi), Numan (Adamawa) and Kaduna crisis.

Hausa-fulani expansionism.

In Jos 2008 crisis, it all started with election of Jos north LGA chairman. The hausas claim to have won it and claim it was rigged by the christians.

In the 2010 crisis, some muslim guys warned a christian girl not to pass an area that was observing islamic prayers, she insisted, they beat her up and she went back to report to her guys who came to beat the muslim guys and everywhere caught fire from there.

vaxx:
hausa christain and igbo christain will not attack yoruba muslim willingly unless there is sign of hausa intruder.

At the height of the crisis, they would. Unless the yoruba does not look muslim at all.

It was so bad that i heard that even fellow christians were mistaken for hausas/muslims and killed because they dressed like hausas/muslims. For a longtime in some hot places, anyone seen on kaftan or Babanriga or hijab would be killed on sight.
It was so terrible. But thank God peace has come to stay, muslims can now enter christian areas and vice versa.

vaxx:
the concept is simple. Lagos is once a federal capital and still the commercial capital. The population of foreigner will likely outnumber the locals. Just the way accra indigene is now minority tribe in their town likewise dubai that is presently dominated by indians. It is expected becuse of lagos position. Let enugu or onitsha become the fedral capital the story will change.

It's not just abt being FCT.

During the Tin minning exploration in Jos during colonial times, colonial masters needed more hands and they imported a lot of hausas, igbos and other tribes to Jos which was still a small place. This changed the demographic of Jos forever. This is why you can still find 3rd generation Igbo, yoruba, hausa and bendel people in Jos.

As for Kaduna, it became the capital of old northern region. Port harcourt became the economic capital of old eastern region.

Onitsha did not need to be a capital for settlers to outnumber Indigenes.
It happens in any large developing city where the indigenes are small in number.

MtuMsuper:
Who runs the Federal roads in Nigeria? I read sometimes on NL that a state does a federal road and gets reimbursement from Abuja. Paint me a picture of how they organise roads in nigeria, coz that's a funny scenario if you ask me.

Federal roads are meant for the FG, but when the FG fails, a State govt can fill in the gap (they hardly do), but am not so sure about the re-imbursement.

Federal roads are the highway roads connecting cities and states with each other. While state roads are most of the intra-city and intra-town roads, village-village road and street roads.

Isahalbash:
Lolz! So u were there, when there were attacked and called " fake Muslims,"

Since you r from Jos... I understand d enmity btw you guys. None of you( both Hausa/fulani Muslims and d northern christians) wud b objective in ur submission. The hausas/ Fulani and d southern kaduna tribes hate themselves with passion.


Was it true that, during d Jos crises...ur people ate d fleshes' of d Hausa/ Fulani people they killed?

You know it is mostly the poor people that fight and kill themselves over religion and ethnicity. So the clashes take place more in the low income areas. I don't live in low income areas, but i have peeps who live there and have first hand info on how everything played out.

You should know the way hausa-fulanis behave now, there are many hausa-fulanis who will tell you that they are indigenes of Borno & Yobe state, but you and i know that those states are not part of Hausaland.

Hausa-fulanis are expansionists and our people cannot tolerate such.

I also heard about that 'eating flesh', and i watched the video, i don't think they actually ate it, they were just playing with it. It was like a warning sign of fearlesness.
You see, our people used to be very animalistic in the past cultures, heck most black Africans were. Christianity came to calm us down, but many hausa-fulanis take our present calmness for granted and weakness.

Muafrika2:
I know you won't be in Kenya tomorrow coz you're the kind of people we send back,

Help my foot Go get help from Google. Your illiteracy is not our business Please insult your government for raising

Get lost.

vaxx:
i just told you many yoruba family in jos are much like indigene themselves. it is impossible for a proper igbo man to attack yoruba muslim during the war unless the yoruba guy fall a victim and neither will hausa attack his yoruba inlaw during the war. At times you cant even recognize who is yoruba and who is hausa. Unless he disclose his identity.

Yes, and that is why i made exceptions of the hausanized or acculturized populations. Non hausa muslims who have been hausanized linguistically can easily disguise with the hausas, but you cannot expect and Ibadan man who just came to Jos last week to blend with hausas without being exposed.

Very well yes! An igbo guy can attack a yoruba muslim in Jos or Kaduna during crisis, because Igbos and northern christians live together and defend their areas together. Many Igbos have also acculturized with the northern christians and are indifferentiable.

Do u get?

vaxx:
i dont get your concept with lagos and yoruba outnumbering lagosians. it seems you are seprating lagos from yoruba.

Why would i seperate Lagos from yorubas?

But even among yorubas, they are divided into states and sub-tribes and what am saying is that yorubas from other states have outnumbered the yorubas from Lagos state in their own Lagos state. How hard is this?

Onitsha is an Igbo city, but Igbos from other parts of Igbo land have outnumbered the Onitsha igbo indigenes in their own city. Do you get?

Other Nigerians have outnumbered the Abuja natives in Abuja......infact in the last senatorship election for FCT, there were about 8 southern contenders against 2 FCT indigene contenders.

Hbuyosh:
And the govt did little to nothing to develop that area, right? That is marginalization.

The same was the case here in Kenya; the northern region is vast, volatile, dry, thinly populated; thus largely neglected by the previous govts. But all that is changing now.

No, it's not like that.

Most states receive equal allocations from the FG, the cost it will take to build a road connecting 2 towns in Anambra state (South) for instance, is not the same cost it will take to do likewise in a state like Niger state (north) that is more than 10 times the size of Anambra state.

A school may be built in a rural community in a Southern state for instance and people from up to 3 neighbouring communities who have no schools yet can easily trekk a shorter distance to attend such a school, but in the north it is a different case, the nearest community to another might take a whole day or half a day journey on foot.
This completely discourages every dream of those from a community who has no school yet from going to school, hence increasing illiteracy in the north.

Hope you get the point?

Isahalbash:
Most of d middle-belters belong to d Ahlus sunnah movement excluding Niger state that mostly sufis( tijjaniyya, qaddariya etc). The yorubas also r NT left out, most of Dem r sufis... Mostly qaddariyya. If u r in Lagos u might hv heard of shamsudden, islahudden, tabliq, salaffiyya, salafs etc. All dis names r subgroups under either Tijjaniyya, qaddariyya or Ahlu sunnah. All.d grps don't accept d attributes of sectarianism, d Ahlu sunnah refers to odaz as sects excluding themselves.




Sunnis r divided into two...d extremist( Sunni, ahlu sunnah, wahabi, salafiyya nd Izalas of Nigeri) and d liberal ones Sufis( asha'ariya, ahmadiyya, qaddariyya, tijjaniyya etc.).

Wow, i never knew this, although am familiar with the names of the sects but i never knew which belonged to which.

Thanks.

Pls, which sects do most hausa, fulanis and kanuris belong?

Yes, i am very familiar with the Musbahudeen, Aminudeen and all the 'deen' answering yoruba muslims , and i have always wondered why mostly yoruba muslims answer such islamic names.

You also mentioned the ahlu Sunna among the extremist and claim that most middlebelt muslims belong here except Nupes, this means we are talking of mostly Igala, Ebira, Ilorin and Alago muslims?

But nupes on the average are far more islamically cultured and oriented than most Kogi and Alago (nasarawa) muslims.......how come?

vaxx:
i think jos city has always been dominated by christain right from early nigeria. many jos indigines trace their christain backgroud to somewhere around 100years. The first catholic church in jos is as old as nigeria independent.

Jos and even Kaduna city ancestrally belongs to minority christian middlebelt tribes, but many settlers came due to urbanization of these places and hausa-fulanis most times are the kind of people who settle in a place and forget where they originally came from and start dragging indigeneship with the natives....

This is just the way hinterland yorubas have outnumbered Lagos yoruba indigenes in Lagos state.

Igbos used to outnumber PH indigenes and dominate Port harcourt before the civil war.

vaxx:
in the middle of war innocent suffer the most. Yoruba are never their target.

Of course, but they are caught in between and sometimes even suffer more casualties.

Igbos and Northern christians easily take sides with other christians and hold specific areas, but Hausas and northern muslims do not take sides with yoruba, edo and middlebelt muslims unless they have been heavily hausanized.

Feel free to ask those who witnessed these crises, since you said you live in Jos.

Muafrika2:
Am starting to suspect you're IanSweet too. You ask questions without a plan of what to do with the answer. Were not your parents. Google is there for such kind of unfocused inquiries. But are you male or female?

You have joined kikuyu in schizoprenic hallucinations too, hmm, how am i not sure you and him are same person?

Myopic people like you are the reason why we all have misconceptions about each other.
Now, can you tell me what the hell is wrong if i know the demographics of Kenyan counties?
How do you know if i won't be in Kenya tomorrow?

I have checked wiki but not all Kenyan counties have good demographic representations there.
If you cannot help out, why not just pass? I have never seen where people will be ashamed or too naive to respond to simple questions about their countries.
If you don't know it, admitting it will not kill you, will it?

vaxx:
well i just fell like i should put it into your notice. in jos for example. there is a large yoruba family whom you may mistake for indigines. They speak both birom and hausa fluently.Jos herself is a christain soon despite muslim population. The riots is always between birom christain youth and hausa vegitable seller. From terminus to ferin gada to gada biyu. It is more ethnical than religion. Yoruba community are left out. Unless igbo trader in some cases.

Were you in Jos during the 2008 and 2010 crisis?
The yoruba community in Jos lost approximately 500 people in that crisis as confirmed by the head of yorubas in Jos (they lost more people than others).

This is because yorubas are the largest tribe almost equally divided btw muslim and christians in Jos and they were caught in both sides of the crises?

Nasarawa gwong used to have a large yoruba muslim community in the past. Today, are they still there? NO. Hausas chased them away as well as most christians.

vaxx:
well i just fell like i should put it into your notice. in jos for example. there is a large yoruba family whom you may mistake for indigines. They speak both birom and hausa fluently.Jos herself is a christain soon despite muslim population. The riots is always between birom christain youth and hausa vegitable seller. From terminus to ferin gada to gada biyu. It is more ethnical than religion. Yoruba community are left out. Unless igbo trader in some cases.

Yes, the crisis started as an indigene-settler dispute but it always includes everyone and turns into a religious crisis because most times you cannot differentiate northern christians and Southern christians there likewise hausas and other muslims.
The same thing with Kaduna

Why are there muslim and christian dominated areas in Jos and Kaduna? Was it so in the 90s?

Hbuyosh:
They are called counties. They are just like the states in Nigeria.

I know about the counties. Nigeria has 36 states, but we also have the official north and South divisions.
We also have the geo-political zones.
North-west, North-east, North-central, South-west, South-east and South-South. Each having 5-7 states.

Hbuyosh:
That is false, the southern part of Kenya is the most developed and economically vibrant, just like the case in Nigeria.

Even if we were to isolate these marginalized regions from the rest of our respective countries for the sake of these comparisonss, I still do not see how it would change the facts reflected in the statiatics.

But this absurd argument of yours is a clear indication of acceptance of defeat.

For starters, southern Nigeria suffers epileptic power supply than southern Kenya, right?

Northern Nigeria is not marginalized.

The region is just very vast and difficult compared to the south, hence making it difficult for infrastructures and amenities to penetrate.
Also, due to radical islam, many northerners belittle the importance of western education.
Lastly, oil discovery caused the Nigerian govt to abandon agriculture and mineral minning which the north had in abundance.

ArtanK:
Actually most Somalis don't speak Arabic. They can understand it to some degree, read and write it because Somali kids attend madrassah in their early years. Somalis speak basic Arabic at best and the language was written in the Arabic script for almost 1000 years, but that changed in the 70s when the Somali government decided to adopt the Latin script.

So, does this mean that most younger somalis can no longer write Somali in the arabic script?

Hbuyosh:
Hehe! How about we excise the nothern regions of Kenya where the levels of underdevelopment are the highest? Then we compare the levels of development btwn the Nigerian southern region vs Kenya' s. It wont change the facts reflected by the statistics.

Is Kenya officially divided into region? If yes, what are they?

forgiveness:
Hahahahahah!

Behold the 76 floors skyscraper in Abuja.

When do you think work will fully begin in this Centennary city, Abuja?

Eko atlantic and Centennary city, which do you think will be more beautiful after completion?

From what i have observed here, it seems like most Kenyans cannot list the 47 counties of Kenya off-heart, let alone the county capitals and demographics of each counties.
I think it's sad.

Most enlightened Nigerians can very well do this with the 36 states of Nigeria. We sing songs memorizing them from childhood in schools

@kikuyu1, Taysermahiri, muafrika2, Mtumsuper

kikuyu1:
Your Iansweet moniker asked the same question twice! What do you want with this info? How could Your simple mind possibly process the info anyway?

Schizoprenic hallucination.

If you cannot reply me, you should just swerve.

I know the ethnic/religious divisions of all the states of India, Canada, most in USA, and many other countries of the world....
If you had some senses, you would appreciate it when others want to learn about your countries.

68816419:
nigger stop the lies, their has never been any time were Yoruba Muslims were chased rather it more like verbal issues mostly among the few hausas

Have you ever experienced religious crises in the north?

If no, go and ask those who have. Or ask people who were born and bred in Kano, Kaduna or Jos.

Muafrika2:
Nigerian second and Promo last. I give up on the rest

You and fanficgirl got the Nigerian one but failed the rest. It seemed easier, the Nigerian guy here was easier compared to the first series.

The first guy is actually Sudanese, 2nd Nigerian, 3rd Oromo and 4th Habesha.

fanficgirl:
Those look like Fulanis not the previous pictures posted

Maybe cos they were on Nigerian attires, if they were on other attires, you wouldn't have easily identified them as fulanis.

Look at these ones on Nigerian- like attires, but they are purely Sudanese. ....but you will agree with me that they can easily pass for Nigerians?

fanficgirl:
Am I wrong for all?

yes, Except 1

fanficgirl:
Idk but they are all good looking
I'm guessing Oromo, Nigerian, Habesha, Sudanese

Try again

TayserMahiri:
He will make his wife leave him for other men. Lol.
But seriously, how can a guy have so many male pictures?

Not everyone's brain is so confined as yours.
If you wondered, why not just ask? We all have different predispositions and all learn from each other.

I follow so many African pages on instagram from different countries and ethnic groups, so i easily know where to get these pics as soon as any argument comes up. I delete all immediately after every argument, except a few (like that masai woman laughing at you )

Most of those pics i used against you on arguments with on Kenyans vs Nigerians, i do not have them anymore, but i know where to get them whenever i need them.

@fanficgirl

One is Habesha, one Oromo (ET), One Nigerian, One Sudanese.

(i would have used the ladies, but most Oromo & habesha women do not wear hijab/scarf and would easily sell-out).

freshest4live:
Lol, ladies would love you so much. It seems you are more fascinated with looks and pictures just like them, same thing most enjoy. Your wife would be happy to have you.

LoL
I just tend to appreciate the physical features, differences and comparisons of the different human races and cultures, that's all.