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Sunshineg5:
From my observation as an outsider

Urhobo is by far the largest ethic group in Delta state

And I believe Anioma should follow

isoko should be third but historically Isoko are just Eastern Urhobo if I am not mistaken

Ijaw and Ishekiri should be similar in numbers

Urhobos are the largest in Delta state but by a tiny margin. The gap between Urhobo and Anioma is not wide.
Isokos and Ijaws are on a tie.

Itsekiris can never be close to Ijaws in numbers pls. That is an expensive joke.

Sunshineg5:
Ha

Ishekiri are than 5% oh, They may not have huge land like the rest but have close to a million people in Delta state. Those that see themselves among them as pure Yorubas shouldn't be more than 100,000.

You are really trying hard to project Yoruba interests into Delta state. Good of you.
Itsekiris are not up to 1 million in Number. At most 500k.
They are the smallest ethnic group in Delta state among the 5. They can hardly have up to 10% of Delta state. From my calculations, I will give them 8% of Delta state.

And mind you, who are the Yorubas you are talking of in Delta state? Ilajes are settlers in Warri LGAs. Ugborodo people are Itsekiris, they have never denied that. They only reject the Olu crown.

Sunshineg5:
How come olu of Ishekiri never wanted to leave the western region.

And Close to 90% of Ishekiri came from ijebu and her not bini

Anyways, unlike before they should be given a vote to determine where they want to belong.

Of course, the day Itsekiris accept being called Yoruba, then that day the whole world accepts it.

Itsekiris knew that they did not have the numbers to compete with the Urhobos, Benins, Ijaws and Aniomas in a new Midwest state, that was why some wanted to remain in the Western region where Awo favored and protected them over others by virtue of them being Yoruba speakers.

Itsekiris are a Yoruba speaking people just like Igalas, but I wonder why Yorubas are not interested in Igalas, but always Itsekiri.

Sunshineg5:
Ok I was the one that brought Opc to Ishekiri land

Ilaje Mahins and Ishekiri are neighbors just like Uhrobo and Ijaws

All those tribe share the lower part of Western Niger Delta.


Anyways, how is this related to Republic of Middle Belt?

I was born, bred and lived all my life in Delta state.
The person who created this thread tagged me into this thread to contribute.

Sunshineg5:
Go to school, they won't

Read news, they won't

They would only listen to Radio Biafra all through.

Read Article below

http://saharareporters.com/2013/12/20/bloody-clash-averted-opc-inaugurates-itsekiri-chapter-delta


Ishekiri are not Edo oh, it's only their Monarch that came from Bini like Oba of Lagos.

And Egun are Aja language group, it has no bearing with urobo language. Unlike Ishekiri language which is Yorubiod.

Itsekiris are like a hybrid.
The majority of Itsekiri people are of Ijebu stock originally, but they were united under one crown by a Bini prince. This gave birth to the Itsekiri identity.
You cannot separate Itsekiri from Benin, cos that is where their royal families descend from.

This is also similar to the case among Delta Igbos and that is why a good percentage of them reject Igbo identity.

Sunshineg5:
https://punchng.com/ilaje-communities-seek-inclusion-in-fg-dredging-of-escravos-warri-river/

https://m.guardian.ng/news/were-not-under-olu-of-warri-itsekiri-community-declares/

Ilaje people are settlers in Warri LGAs. There is no Indigenous town in Delta state that identify as Ilaje or have an Ilaje monarch.

Ugborodo people do not submit to the leadership of the Olu of Warri, however, they have never for once denied being Itsekiris.

Sunshineg5:
Ok Bros, go and tell their community elders that they don't know their history.

Oga pls there are no group of people who identify as Yoruba in Delta state. However, Itsekiris and Olukumis speak Yoruba based dialects, however, they do not identify as Yoruba.

nsiba:
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If predictions is this simple, Nigeria by all the CIAs and other Western countries would long be extinct.
But do you really think that the Hausas now becoming more and more aware of their history and how the Fulani's took over their kingdoms will still continued playing balls if Nigeria gets to split?
The Kanuris control their territory why will the Hausa's still want to be under the Fulani's?

Hausas are a lost people and can never retrieve themselves unless with the help of other Nigerians.
The fulanis have destroyed the essence and foundation of Hausa identity.

Kanuris have lost their pride & sense of nationalism to AREWA, but they have not lost their identity like the Hausas.
The division of Nigeria will bring Kanuris back to their senses.


Predictions are useless when they come from outsiders and not insiders.
If I as an emerging Middlebelt leader tells you my people will spark an anti fulani revolution in some years to come. I am telling you this because we are the ones going to do it.
This is not someone sitting down in California to give predictions about Nigeria.

hammerP:
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WEN THE TIME REACH, GO AND DRAG AKWA IBOM MAN INTO YOUR AUDIO NIGER DELTA REPUBLIC.

CARRY GUN AND BOMB AND TELL HIM HE IS NIGERDELTA.


I LAUGH AT YOUR FOLLY.


EVEN AMONGST URHOBO, WE HAVE HARDCORE BIAFRANS IN IPOB.

PEOPLE THAT WILL KILL IF U TELL DEM, THEY ARE NOT BIAFRANS.

GOODLUCK, IF U ARE NOT AN AFONJA MASQURADE THAT IS, BECOS U NO GET FACE.

This is something that the likes of

Efe2real, Efewestern, Blackking98, Mystiquefia, TheGodlessGod, Kinematics

do not understand.

In the Nigerdelta and even the Middlebelt, there are strong supporters of BIAFRA.

I have met many Ijaws, Urhobos, Akwa-cross, Ogonis and even Edos who are pro-Biafra. Cos everyone is getting tired of the fulani republic of Nigeria.
Before the Python dance, Nnamdi Kanu wanted to go to Kaduna because a Southern Kaduna leader who is pro Biafran invited him over.

The majority of Nigerdeltans however are neutral for the moment, likewise Middlebelt, cos majority have not even understood what is at stake.
The more the Hausa fulanis continue their campaign of oppression and expansionism, the more the sympathy of BIAFRA grows.

2 years ago, I attacked and insulted IPOB members wherever I found them, but today as an emerging middlebelt youth leader, I am telling and teaching my people why we need to allign with Igbos and the ideas of BIAFRA.

The tide is changing and by 2023, it will get to a breaking point.
It will be far far beyond all those that only come online to comment Nigerdeltan republic at the fear of Biafran progress.


One funny thing most of you don't know is that your destinies are tied to that of the Igbos and to an extent, northern christians in Nigeria.
Nigeria does not give you the option to sit on the fence. Lai-lai.

If Igbo agitation or Northern christians agitations for example spirals into a war/killings, do you think Nigerdeltans will be spared or differentiated anywhere they are found by Hausa-fulanis or Northern muslims?

From Abuja down to the entire North, people cannot tell the difference between an Igbo, Ibibio, Ishan, Urhobo or Efik!..... Even Yorubas cannot differentiate between Igbos & Nigerdeltans, let alone Northern people.

You guys really have no option than to either partner with BIAFRA directly or flag off your NDR and partner it with BIAFRA.

May God help us.

Efe2real, Efewestern, Blackking98, Mystiquefia, TheGodlessGod, Kinematics

Well, perhaps I might have been too intrusive into Nigerdeltan affairs and much of a prophet of doom.
Well this is because of 2 things. I am from the northern minorities part of Nigeria, and I spent most of my life and upbringing in the Southern minorities area. In addition to that, I have been a northern minorities activist for the last 10 years.
If not for this covid pandemic, I was supposed to be having a meeting I organized for the youth leaders of some of the largest minority groups in the north/middlebelt.

So, I am not just one who comes to rant unnecessarily online and have no relationship whatsoever with my online agitations in real life.

I don't think any of you have been involved in grassroot mobilization or the study of minorities as I have been. I don't mean to Bragg.

You guys should not just be online commentators who come out to defend Nigerdelta on nairaland without a concrete firsthand relationship of the lives, mentalities and relationships of minority groups, especially as pertain to seccession or nation building.

I don't know how well you guys have studied the Breakup of Yugoslavia? Pls if any of you have not done that, I strongly advice you do so.... Likewise the partition of India, breakup war of Bangladesh and subsequent seccesionist agitations of Balochistan, Sikhs & Tamils/Dravidians.

See, if you guys really love your Nigerdelta identity as you claim and you are not just acting as spoilers. I suggest that you guys begin real physical ground work on the feasibility of a Nigerdeltan union before it is too late. Nigeria is sitting on a ticking time bomb and when the explosion takes places, those who are not well prepared will be left gnashing their teeth.
I have seen this and that is why people like me and others have taken up the task of enlightening my own people in this regard.

I am currently writing a voluminous book which will help my own people (northern minorities) understand ourselves, our territory, unity and everything else if peradventure division comes knocking. These are a few among many other things we are doing in our own capacity at the moment.


Now, let me give you guys these 2 examples from the breakup of Yugoslavia and India.
The demography of these 2 countries may be different from what we have in Nigeria, however at least they can give a picture.

1) THOSE WHO DON'T PREPARE AHEAD GNASH THEIR TEETH.

Slovenes & Croatians begun the seccesionist agitations to counter Serbian aggression & expansion. Meanwhile, Bosnians & Kosovoans were watching, perhaps acting as SPOILERS at that time, who knows.

When Croats & Slovenes successfully left, repelled and cleansed Serbians from their territories and Serbians knew it was lost in both territories, they had no other option but to descend on the weaker and silent Bosnians & Kosovoans in a desperate attempt to gain more territory.
Till today, the world is still lamenting of Serbian atrocities and genocide against Bosnians & Kosovoans (ethnic Albanians).

This is what happens to people who are not ready when the shiit hits the fan!
If not for US-NATO timely intervention, Bosnians & Kosovan Albanians would have been completely destroyed by Serbs.

Had it been Bosnians & Kosovans were well prepared and actively behind Croats & Slovenes when the whole katakata begun, It would have been impossible for the Serbs to decimate them in the manner they did.
So you people should ask yourselves where the Nigerdeltans will fall in all of these.


2) DIVISION BRINGS MORE AND MORE DIVISIONS AS NATIONALISM IS A VIRUS

After the partition of India along religious lines, Bengalis (East Pakistan) clearly saw that they could not cope with West Pakistan and Bengalis lost 3 million people who were massacred by Pakistani soldiers. Perhaps, half of Begali population would have been killed if not for India's intervention and today we have Bangladesh.
Now Balochistan has started their own agitation to breakaway from Pakistan. All of these are inspite of the fact that everyone has his or her own region in Pakistan where they control their own rescources! So why are people still wanting out? Ethnic differences and ethnic nationalism. Simple!
Sikhs & Tamils have had their own seccesionist movements from India too.


Yugoslavians are one people who speak the same language, but religion was their only problem, yet they divided into 7 countries and still counting till today ... Why not just 3? Since Orthodoxy, Catholicism & Islam were the only 3 religious divisions in Yugoslavia.
That is the virus of nationalism! Montenegro still broke out of Serbia later on.
Pakistanis had one religion but ethnicity still divided the country. .

Imagine if countries that had strong uniting factors such as religion, ethnicity & language were dividing themselves, how much more a so called Nigerdeltan republic only united by Anti-Igbo sentiments and nothing else?


Some of you also make the mistake to think that the division of a country where strong nationalist sentiments come into play is the same as living in a one Nigeria peacefully under the might of the federal govt?
I laugh at such naivety

There must be a clear partition in places where ethnic nationalities meet each other!
A place like Warri cannot coexist with the 3 different tribes intertwined as a homeland, whether in a separate country or in the same new country with autonomous ethnic regions! It is impossible. But if you guys think it is possible, then I say Goodluck.

Ijaw autonomous region or Itsekiri autonomous region must have their own well defined maritime & land boundaries defining their own rescources! Cos this time around it will no longer be Delta state maritime boundaries or rescources controlled by the FG. It is every ethnic group to his rescources and everyone will want to fight to get the largesse of the auction when the auction period begins.
A look at South Sudan should give a clue.

There must be a form of partition.
Same with rural/urban Benin where Ijaw & Benin communities intertwine. Same with Ikwerre & Ijaws in PH.

For me, I have chosen not be the overtly optimistic and naive 'all is well' person cos history will always repeat itself, time and time over again.


For my own people for example, we have 3 problematic areas where there must be a partition!

1) The Hausa fulani Kanuri land boundary

This boundary will be very bloody and we have to be prepared for a war and religious partition in this boundary, cos the Hausa fulanis are unreasonable human beings who only speak the language of VIOLENCE, they don't believe in dialogue.
The religious partition has already begun gradually and it will blow up in the next few years. This I can promise.
Infact this could be the precipitate to the division of Nigeria.


2) The Tiv- Taraba/Nasarawa boundary.

Tivs & Jukuns (Taraba)/Alagos (Nasarawa) are all middlebelt people, but unlike you naive souls, I know that we cannot live together as a people cos our values are not the same, regardless of us being Christians.
Tivs are Bantu people and expansionists by nature.
The conflicts and bad blood in that area is endless.
There must be a partion!

And we will even have this partition before the breakup of Nigeria. By next year or at least 2022, all the Tiv & Taraba elders, traditional leaders must sit down and this issue settled forever.
All the Tivs in Taraba would have to relocate to Benue and all the Jukuns in Benue would have to relocate to Taraba, leaving their ancestral homelands.
Since Taraba has more lands and Tivs more number in Taraba, we may have to cede some more lands to the Tivs for peace to reign.


3) The Egbira-Bassa-Gbayi frontier

Bassas & Gbagyis have same mentality and orientation and can easily live together, but Egburas are another people entirely.

There are up to 4 LGAs in Kogi, Nasarawa & FCT where these 3 tribes intertwine. There have been conflicts and the bad blood is strong.
Without a clear-cut partition, the war in this area will not be a joke.
All Bassas & Gbagyis must peacefully leave their ancestral lands in Koton Karfe LGA and Abaji town, while Egburas must leave Abaji rural, Toto & Bassa LGAs.
Cos without this partition, there is no way in hell, you can define Egbura, Bassa & Gbagyi homelands distinctly without encroaching into the territories of the other ethnic groups.



So, those of you including me as a prophet of doom for your 'Utopia Nigerdeltan republic of harmony' should know that I am doing this just because I have a more practical understanding of these issues and not because I am pro-Igbo or just want you people to join BIAFRA.

I personally do not support minorities being in a BIAFRA if it will be a unitary nation!
If there must be a BIAFRA with minorities involved, it will be a very loosed Confederacy like the UK or even the EU model and the minorities I picture in such a union are probably not even you Southern minorities but my own people (northern minorities).

Cos I don't think any reasonable united group of people should dream of forming a country with you Nigerdeltans, cos you people are a stacked pack of cards waiting to crumble after the only glue (anti-Igbo) that holds you together no longer exists.

I will never act as a spoiler to the Biafran cause because I know that if Nigeria must divide, the rest of us must work together to realize this, after which everybody will find his way.
And those who are not prepared will be likely visited by the atrocities of Bosnia & Kosovo.

So, just as an Igbo person here suggested, you Nigerdeltans should take your Nigerdeltan republic agitation to the forefront and let it be known, so that the Igbos/Ipobs can take you people as an equal partner in the struggle and no longer subsume you.

Cos by law standards, Igbos are not wrong in including you guys into Biafran agitation, especially the Ijaws & Akwa-cross people! You people were a part of the old Eastern region which the world and UN recognize as the historical territory/agitation of BIAFRA.

If the UN & Nigeria must bring a referendum to BIAFRA, it must be on the grounds of the territories of the defunct Biafran state. Delta/Edo people are safer cos they were not officially part of the old Eastern region internationally recognized as BIAFRA.


@Ix3as
I always emphasize the fact that I am not Igbo, cos nairaland has a narrowed lense of looking and labelling everything in the Yoruba/Igbo dichotomy. Everyone who talks in a certain way is either Afonja or Igbo and you know this.

I joined nairaland around 2012 when Tribalism & seccession vibes were at an all time low and people did not feel the need to create fake monikers for impersonation.
I never for once since that time claimed to be Igbo, but a middlebelter, so I wonder why your brain should think that I suddenly turned Igbo overnight.
Go and check the threads I created since 2012 and see what they are about.

quentin06:
You can't compare rivers lockdown with the audio lockdown of the north.

Jos lockdown is not audio lockdown oo.
It is Core-northern states that have audio lockdown. Jos, Kaduna & Taraba own are very serious. For the last 4 days I have not come out of my house.
For the last 6 weeks in Jos, 5 weeks we have been inside the house.

LordNicvuitton:
No sane Igbo man/woman hates Edo people, hell! we don't even share boundaries nor history with Edoid groups. don't/stop roping in the action of 1 or 2 miscreants to be that of the entire Igbos. we love Edo as much as we love any other, but we give no Bleep about Edo state. you're in no way special to the Igbo cause. Peace.

Actually, Anioma people (Delta Igbos) share a huge land boundary, culture and historical ties with Edo people, so u may want to correct that. Unless of course u don't consider Anioma people to be Igbos.

Mystiquefia:
Mr since your line of argument anchors on/ favors coalenscing the itsekiri, urhobo, ijaw tribes of warri into a conglomerate of biafra, i'm yet to understand how annexing warri into biafra would be able to guaranty us autonomous resource control itself. So it would be lame to bring up our intertwined boundaries into this discuss since identifying with biafra in itself does not solve our problems. We have had our own misundastandings but the good news here is we have got a common course that seeks to protect the interest of our people, history and ancestry. And i'm sure warri will echo its resolve to be a part and parcel of NDR over biafra when a referendum is declared. That in itself is unity

You see, the only thing that unites your people is fear of Igbo domination. That is not enough to form a country cos that uniting factor will disappear as soon as you have your own country.

To be sincere, I don't think joining BIAFRA will even be a good idea for your people. However, one thing sure is that you people must stop acting as spoilers! (In the sense that you only mention your NDR whenever the issue of BIAFRA comes up).
Nobody ever hears of your own independent agitations without the mention of BIAFRA. Why?

Efewestern:
Nigerians are tribalistic, even amongst an ethnic group we display some level of tribalism, this shouldn't be used as a yardstick, in eastern and western Nigeria, they also display some level of tribalism even amongst their people, wouldn't want to dive into that so as not to derail, my point is, what ever you witnessed in Edo or Delta isn't limited to these states.



Edoid groups never felt anything when Benin was the capital during the Midwest region, Bini having superiority complex is nothing compared to what the majority tribes have displayed over the years, a Bini man can never flex his muscle on anyone, ths Urhobos can easily put them in their rightful position, so why should I be worried about how they see themselves?

I personally have called them out about their actions in the past especially how they handled the gelegele issue with the Ijaws, so make no mistake, I do not asslick any one.



The itsekiris won't be in a position where they will be disadvantaged, during the mid-west agitation, the itsekiris were the last to join, infact some Itsekiri groups were against the creation of Midwest because they were scared of being dominated and were actually being favored by the Yoruba led Action group government, they only agreed when they realized it will be impossible for a group to dominate them, even at that Itsekiri witnessed the least votes compared to others.

The Ijaws wouldn't want to leave their kits and kins behind, so we might be having a working solution to solve that issue.

You see, Tivs, Igalas, Idomas, Ebiras & Nupes are part of the Middlebelt, but I as a Plateau man will never want to share a country with these people if Nigeria divides. Cos I know how these people reason.
They reason just like you SS tribes.

Larger ethnic groups tend to have a stronger form of nationalism.
You see these middlebelt tribes I listed above?, they have not even had very bloody conflicts with each other like you Urhobos, Ijaws, Itsekiris or Ogonis have had with each other, yet I do not need a soothsayer to tell me that Igalas, Idomas, Igedes, Tivs & Ebiras can never ever form a country together as one people in peace.

It will never work! Cos everyone is suspicious of each other and does not trust the other.
Will the capital of such country be in Tiv land? Idoma land? Igala land or Ebira land?

See, do not mistake intra-ethnic rivalry for inter-ethnic one, they are not the same thing!
Ebiras behead each other in their clan fights in Okene, but when it comes to politics, they readily keep that aside to unite against the Igalas.
Tivs fight each other, but when it comes to fight Jukuns and steal their lands, they are united.

People of the same ethnicity can always settle their differences and live together under one political union, but it is not always so for multi-ethnic places. Especially when these tribes are very large.
But when these tribes are smaller, unity is far better and easier, that is what I was telling Blackking98 when he was laughing at Ogoja people .....But he thinks I just want to attack his AkwaIbom-Efik people.
Ogoja people can always live together under one political union in love and peace cos they are dozens of ethnic groups and they all know that they cannot do without each other.

I am even happy that many Tivs, Idomas & Igalas know that they cannot share one country with each other hence they propose their own Takururu, Apa & Okura republics.

Urhobos, Esans, Binis, Etsakos and even Isokos have strong nationalistic tendencies. It's not as if you people even have one language that unites you people.... I share in your optimism, but you and I know that such a union will never work.
The average Esan man is still very bitter of the fact that Benin is his state capital.
Then u think he will still agree for Benin to be his new country's capital?
Can't you see how much your own Urhobo people are so so pained that Asaba is your state capital? And u think your people will allow Benin to be a state capital again?


The best thing for your people could be a very loosed Confederacy like the UK or everyone has his country and then you form something like the EU.
Nigerdeltan republic, Midwest republic, Akwa-cross republic can never see the daylight of unity and progress.
You guys should take this from me as someone who has been into 'minorities agitation & unity' for the last 10 years.

Before, I used to think that my people can form a progressive bond or nation with the Tivs, Idomas, Igalas & Ebiras as one Middlebelt republic, but God forbid.
We have nothing in common that unites us.

But when you say Plateau, Southern Kaduna, Southern Bauchi, Nasarawa, FCT, Taraba, Adamawa, Southern Gombe & Southern Borno. We are one people with same culture, same mentality, same orientation and over 150 tribes united by Hausa language/Christian values.


What will be the uniting factor for the Nigerdelta republics? Language? Oil? Geography?
I can't even say Religion cos you people do not take Christianity as a serious identity unlike those of us in the middlebelt.


@Efe2real,. I was born in Warri.

Who owns Okere? Pessu? Aladja? Ogbe-ijoh market in Warri urban?
How do you carve out and separate Okere, Okere-Urhobo, Agbassa, Ekurede-urhobo, Ekurede-Itsekiri, Ajamimogha, Ogunu e.t.c from each other into separate regions without a war?

Let us not even talk about the Itsekiri & Ijaw towns offshore where u find one Itsekiri town surrounded by Ijaw towns and vice versa.

Hmm, I just hope and pray that God gives your leaders extreme wisdom & tolerance to conduct your affairs if Nigeria divides, because ehn your region will be a pure battleground.

Blackking98:
Wipe out ibibios? you must be high on herdsmen gunshots. Please lead whoever wants to wipe us out to come and do so. You think we're as little and as insignificant in number as you are ? Rest abeg, you're an insecure ingrate and that's all I know, no one was comparing unity, you brought it here and made it the Crux of the matter by comparing the unity of two different groups, you acknowledge the rest of Nigeria see us as the same but you still use that same mouth to say we don't see eye to eye, are you not drunk ? You can praise nothern/central Cross riverians without dragging Akwa ibomites and efiks Mr, but as long as you keep dragging my people you will not rest, I would advise you to write your will and keep because I doubt herdsmen will allow you live to see your grandkids, your tiny and minute ethnic group will soon go into extinction. Rubbish

See this one, with your significant numbers yet you people have been hiding behind your mother's wrappers while Ijaws & Ogonis have been dying in thousands fighting for the entire region.
Can u see how the fulani army have dealt with the Ijaw militants mercilessly times without number? Ijaws are the only ones who have shown any form of braveness in that entire SS region.


Ogbeni, my people were the ones who withstood the greatest jihad in Subsaharan Africa (Fulani jihad) from the 18th century, while you people were jumping in forests.
Did Igbos not chase you people away from Arochukwu and took over the area?

If we could not be completely conquered by the fulanis for over 200 years, tell me why we will end today? Mugu.


Don't laugh at other minorities and you are sure not to see me in your mentions. Ciao.

efe2real:
This thread is really hilarious. It shows Nairaland is different from reality. The question I keep asking myself is that how come a tribe that you can find in every nook and cranny in this country does not know other tribes opinion about them? Anybody that have stayed in Benin, Warri, Yenegoa, and Portharcourt will know that the non-igbo speaking tribes in these states do not want to have anything to do with Biafra. But one IPOB member in Abia thinks otherwise because he thinks life starts and ends on Nairaland. Even, most of the igbo-speaking are yet to accept that they are even Igbos.

The next card that IPOB is playing is that the tribes in the South South or Niger Delta are not united. Sadly, they are right, but everything is all about negotiation and compromise. Even the so-called Igbos are not even united. Of course, anyone that has stayed in Igbo land knows Ebonyi people are the rags used to clean the ground in the South East. Most even view them as inferior Igbos or denied them as Igbos. What about the Enugu (in particular Nsukka) igbos that are viewed as 'wawa' Igbos. Of course, an anambra man will view himself as a superior Igbo compared to others. Let's not forget about the aniomas that are referred to as fake Igbos already. Imagine an ugochukwu from Anambra is referring to an Ugochukwu from Delta State as fake Igbo. SMH. But, you will see Igbos in Nairaland painting themselves like they all love themselves like saimese twins. No one should deceive anyone on Nairaland that the Igbos are united and loved themselves so much. Most of us have stayed in the East before, so we know what's up over there.

One thing people should realise is the Igbos are not different from the Hausas and Yorubas. In fact, they are even worse because of their greediness and cunny way of life. As far as I am concerned, all this Biafra agitation is just a smokescreen to control the resources of the tribes in the South South region all by themselves. Biafra with the tribes of the Niger Delta will be Nigeria all over again, but this time the Igbos will be in exactly the position they have always dreamt of: the sole controller of the resources of the Niger Delta. Most of us can see through their deceits.

I don't have any issue with Biafra as long they go with their Igbo-speaking brothers (those that want to follow them anyway). The non-igbo speaking tribes in the region will decide their fate themselves (that is even if Nigeria should stop co-existing). And personally, I think Niger Delta republic is the best bet for the tribes in the region. There, the tribes can practice true federalism and state should be created along ethnic lines and be in total control of their resources and the center should be made weak. Then, l, as an Urhobo man, will know who to hold responsible when things go bad in my state. Of course, it will not be the president because I don't have business with him. Well it is just an opinion that can be fine-tuned and worked on. But Niger Delta as a country can thrive peacefully and successfully. Biafra is a no no. I believe nobody from the south south wants Nigeria Again Part 2 to happen in Biafra except the Igbos, of course.

Nice one.

As someone (not Igbo) who grew up in Warri and witnessed the katakata there, I would like to know how you, mystiquefia & Efewestern think Warri will be divided along Itsekiri, Ijaw & Urhobo ethnic lines into autonomous rescource controlling region without a war.

Rodwave:
It is none of our business. They can form 1000 independent countries if they do wish. Let's face our problem and leave them alone. If they can't solve their problems let them live them. Simple.

My own is that Igbo should stop mentioning Igbo and those people in the same sentence. It doesn't make sense.

Let every group carry their own cross.

I am not Igbo.
However, u are correct, whatever the SS ethnic groups decide for themselves is their own headache.

Blackking98:
Oh please save the story. After the body was discovered didn't they round up your kinsmen in that community like common criminals? Shift abeg. You're just really insecure for no reason, no northern/central Cross riverian on NL has a problem with that because they know they are very diverse and it's not a crime to be. You're saying they're more United that Akwa Ibom and Efik people who speak the same language and have the same culture? You have never been to Cross river nor Akwa Ibom but you sit in your dirty hut in jos and know how divided my people are, if an ibibio man Converses with am Efik man in our language or an Annang man conversing with an Oro man will you know who is who? You're just an insecure ingrate, last I checked this thread was for people from the south east and south south only, carry your insecure northern minority ass outta here before i call miyetti Allah on u. Trash

Rounded up like criminals? Were Yoruba traditional leaders not arrested by the law enforcement agencies after the Ife crisis against Hausa fulanis?

You try to kill a general in your Ibibio land and see if you will not be wiped out.


I was born and bred in the SS and I have been to Akwa-cross anyhow. I wanted to school in Unical before I went to Uniben, so if I was a stranger to the region, I wouldn't have involved myself in the region's affairs.

Besides in Northern Cross River, are you aware that we have Yalla, Yache, Igedes and other Idomoid speaking ethnic groups there?
These people are descendants of Kwararafan kingdom which majority of the Middlebelt tribes descend from and some of them still go to Wukari (Taraba) to acknowledge the superiority of the Aku-Uka.

I don't care about your differences among Oro-Anang- Ibibio, all other Nigerians see you guys as one!
There was a thread on nairaland where an American based lady (Ibibiogrl) was dividing your people and I countered her on that thread, supporting you and other Akwa-cross folks who were for the unity of your people.
Look at it below

https://www.nairaland.com/5717435/cross-river-assembly-rejects-ikpeme/15

So I am not interested in the divisions of your people.

However, like I said, I will not tolerate you talking down on Ogoja people cos your people are not as united as they are!
Unity is not based on language mind you!

Anangs, Oros & Ibibios can speak the same language, but u can never compare the bad blood they have among each other to the romance and love Ogoja people have for themselves!

Do Croats, Serbs, Slovenes & Bosnians not speak the same language? Do they see eye to eye? Abeegi.

pazienza:
I have made up my mind that Anioma Might in the end be to Igboland, what Austria is to Germany.
I have conditioned my mind to accept the possibility that we might have to work on Republic of Alaigbo without Anioma, or at least without a significant part of Anioma (Ika, Ndokwa And Ukwuani).

I believe the decision lie 100% on Anioma hands. Every Igbo person in SE want and long for unification with all Igboids in Rivers state (Etche, Ikwerre, Ogba, Ekpeye, Ndoni) and with Anioma (Enuani, Ika, Ukwuani/Ndiosumili).
But I believe SE have been emotionally and politically exploited, traumatized and humiliated by these groups for the greater part of 50yrs (1970-date) for this, and believe after this past 50yrs, SE MUST move on and infact, treat all these groups exactly how they treat SE with no iota of emotion or sentiment.

It is my belief that like Germany moved on without Germanic tribes in Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Liechtenstein, etc who for one reason or the other opted out of Germany during it's formation. Ndiigbo in SE should move on too. Germany became great without those other groups, Alaigbo will also become great without Igboids. It's all about how hard we work with what we have than about how we wallow in defeat at what we lost or could have had.

When a serious Pan Igbo group that will work for Igbo only Biafra comes up in the nearest future, the first task must be to define the territory of Biafra. To this effect, a delegation should be sent to all Igboid groups in SS (Anioma, Rivers Igboid conglomerate, Isobo, Obigbo) to take a stance on their Igbo identity and willingness to join an Igbo Republic.
The decision of each group will decide the final map of Biafra. Each group decision would be made public by their presence or absence in the map.
The Map would establish the Biafra we are talking about and are going to work for.

This you would think should be the first step in freedom fight, you would think this is common sense. But common sense seem to be a commodity not found in IPOB today, hence why the last 6 years have become nothing but a waste as far as the fight for eternal separation of Ndiigbo from hostile groups in Nigeria is concerned.

The question is who and which group of people will form this new Renaissance Biafran project?

Can you do it? Do you think being a seccesionist leader is being a community leader?
We can never all have what we want.
Even if your Renaissance Biafran group comes up, there will still be many more Igbos who will disagree with their ideologies and seek to form a new one.

In life it best to work with what you have at the moment.

Blackking98:
you're seriously uneducated, did he make that reference In bad light or mockingly? Something that he even said that they'll have countries of their own and just used the tower of Babel thing as a playful but true analogy of what is in ground there, no Cross riverian or nothern/central Cross riverian has had headache about it or commented, why are you taking paracetamol for someone else's headache? You haven't been to Cross river and im sure that's why you're spewing trash. Concerning herdsmen who doesn't know they murder you guys in hundreds just for the fun of it? Instead of you organising your people to protect themselves you're dragging Akwa Ibom/Efik people who are thousands of miles away from you. You are not normal

And who are you or him to talk about Northern Cross River being a tower of Babel?
Is the term TOWER OF BABEL itself not a derogatory terminology? Is it a good one?

Neither you nor I are Indigenes of Ogoja axis, so either we both have the rights to talk about them or we don't.

I challenged you because as a minority yourself who never agrees with your own minority neighbors, you have no rights to laugh at other minorities or reiterate derogatory names at them!


Same way the herdsmen murder my people, we murder them back in return.... Or where were u when a Hausa fulani Major General's body was found in a well in Plateau state? Can u people murder a Hausa fulani general in Akwa Ibom state and not be wiped off the face of the Earth?
Did my people ever beg for your help in dealing with Hausa fulanis?
We have been fighting against Hausa fulanis since 1802 when Danfodio's jihad begun, it did not start today.

My own is that you as a minority have no right to laugh at other minorities for being to diverse, when they are more united than you are.

Blackking98:
You have something wrong with you, I wasn't even the one who made reference to tower of babel to start with, I live in cross river and I'm from Akwa Ibom and I was only giving an example of what is obtainable there concerning ethnic groups, I didn't drag or insult any group, you just jump out of your little hut in jos because herdsmen haven't visited your people for awhile to type nonsense about my ethnic group. Mtchewww some of u don't deserve pity. I won't even answer you, my people are coexisting peacefully, we won't bother answering you, we'll leave you to the fulanis who murder you people for fun. Rubbish

Stop being unnecessarily stupiid.

The Igbo guy called Northern Cross River a tower of Babel and you echoed it and laughed over it and I only showed you how much advantage the people you are laughing at have over you, now u are talking about Fulani herdsmen?
Have the same fulani herdsmen not attacked Akwa Ibom in spite of the fact that you are hundreds of miles away from the north?

https://punchng.com/herdsmen-kill-one-injure-another-in-akwa-ibom/?amp=1

Show me any part of Nigeria that herdsmen have not attacked. My own area is just worse because we are their neighbors, period.

Efewestern:
When dishing out misinformation, don't forget to also tell your readers that no Isoko man will reject a union when other Edoid groups are involved, same with Esan and others.

In the past, all Edoid groups have worked together to achieve a common goal, your talk about disunity is not only false but misleading. In Nigeria, the Edoid groups were the only minorities to have ever come together to push for a referendum, a fight everyone fought, the politicians, the chiefs, the kings, the village heads, the women, the men, everyone had for a common goal, no one was forced or coerced, everyone had a sense of belonging

If tomorrow these same people decide to champion a new cause, they'd do wonders and if they also decide to reach out to neighbouring minorities they'd also do wonders, Stop projecting disunity where it never exists, stop misinforming people about others.

Edoid groups worked together with Itsekiris & Aniomas to break Yoruba domination of old Western region.
How united and loving have you guys been to each other post Bendel & Delta/Edo state? That is the question.

Make no mistake, I would love to see a united Edoid nation or Nigerdeltan nation, however, growing up with you people, I have understood the way you people reason and this would be very difficult.

Actually Binis will be the problem of an Edoid nation because they will insist that the capital must be in Benin which you Urhobos & Esans will fiercely reject.
Benin people have this strong sense of superiority over other Bendelites owing to their ancient Benin empire.

So let me ask you, if there is an Edo nation today, where will the capital be? And don't tell me Benin cos you and I know that Esans & Urhobos will never allow Benin control them.

Also, if Edoids have a country, what will be the fate of Itsekiris & Ijaws? Considering how intertwined Itsekiri & Ijaw communities are with Urhobo & Benin communities. How will Warri be divided?

Infact, nothing will stop you SS minorities from going to war with each other if Nigeria divides.

Blackking98:
why hasn't Akwa Ibom or calabar burned yet? You'll just sit in your smalll kiosk in aba and type nonsense. People are making meaningful contribution you are here talking rubbish.mtcheww

I am from Plateau state bro, I am not Igbo.

I supported Northern Cross River people because they are just like my people (Plateau).

Besides, who is talking about any place burning?
Apart from Hausa fulani core northerners, other Nigerians tend to be very peace loving and reasonable. Igalas & Ebiras hate each other but they do not turn Kogi to a battleground, likewise Idoma & Tivs in Benue.

Yujin:
Yet all of them will fall like a pack of cards when fulanis descend on them. We already permutated that hence we offer them the opportunity to survive. Whichever way, Igbos will survive. History is on our side. Do you agree with me?

Igbos and others can still survive in Nigeria just that Hausa fulani backwardness will keep on limiting us and setting us backward.

Blackking98:
Say na tower of babel . Those guys can have like three different ethnic groups in one local government

Funny enough, these people u call tower of Babel (northern cross River) have a better advantage if Nigeria divides.
They can easily form a united country of their own where there is no form of ethnic nationalism and everyone will be equal, but you Ibibios, Anangs, Oros & Efiks would rather burn to ashes than to form one country with each other.

Plateau state & Southern Kaduna have up to 100 ethnic groups combined, but we will gladly unite to form a united country with each other unlike the Tivs, Idomas, Igalas & Ebiras who have large populations but can never see eye to eye.

pazienza:
Don't kid yourself.
Niger deltans when offered the choice of devil and Ndiigbo, will choose the devil before Ndiigbo.
It's time Ndiigbo do away with these self deceit and deal with the bitter truth.

Go and check the 1979 and 1983 presidential elections.
Shagari, Awolowo and Zik were the three major contenders.

Guess what? Awolowo and Shagari got more votes than Zik in all the minorities states of Bendel (Delta and Edo) old Rivers state (Bayelsa and Rivers state) and South East state (Cross River and Akwaibom).
Zik barely got 5% of votes casted in those regions.
It was in old Plateau state that Zik got manageable votes outside Igboland.

Ndiigbo should stop searching for kinship/brotherhood where it's obvious none exists. We should rather focus on working with our neighbors on areas of mutual interests devoid of emotions.

Zik actually won in Old Plateau (Plateau/Nasarawa) state.

This is to tell people like Arrewa & Naajji who always call me Igbo due to my support for Igbos.

Plateau/Northern Christians have always had a sort of soft spot for Igbos, just that it was never explored and promoted.
Yakubu Gowon (a Hausa fulani puppet) was used to deceive my people. Same thing these idiots are now doing with Lalong by making him the leader of Northern Governors forum

They forget that people are now wiser unlike in the past.

pazienza:
I don't think Ogoni will accept any other union after Nigeria that doesn't guarantee them their own total independent country .
So I believe 100% Ogoni will be a country of their own.
Maybe 20 is a stretch, but this is what I foresee :

1. Niger delta republic (Ijaws in Rivers including parts of PHLGA, Bayelsa, Olodiama in Edo, Ijaw in Ondo, Ijaws in Bayelsa, Ijaws in Ibeno and Eastern Obolo Akwaibom)
*I am hoping Ndoki in Abia help us keep Oyigbo safe from Ijaw grasp.

2. Urhobo/Isoko country

3. Edo Conglomerate ( This is assuming the Esan and Bini finally realize they are brothers and stop their petty bickering, unite and try to reconcile the Afemai union (Akoko Edo/Etsako/Owan)

4. Ika/Igbanke Union

5. Ukwuani/Ndokwa/Ndoni/ assimilated Isoko in Ndokwa Union

6. Annang-Ibibio-Efik and parts of Ibeno and Eastern Obolo Union

7. Oro Nation

8. Ogoni Nation

9. Akalaka (Ikwerres/Ekpeye/Ogba)/Etche Union

10. Reunification of Enuani, Isobo, Egbema, and Oyigbo with SE to form Alaigbo Republic

11. Reunification of Itsekiri in a loose Union with Oodua if Oodua can offer them a deal that would allow them maintain 100% control of their resources. or totally independent Itsekiri if a deal couldn't be reached with Oodua.

12. Northern Cross Rivers is a tower of Babel. Could easily fragment to at least 5 countries.


So that's 16 countries in total at least.

I lived much of my life in the SS and take it from me.
Isokos will never join Urhobos to form one country together. They love their autonomy.

Edos can never form one country together. Esans & Binis will never agree. Even Afemai people cannot be a country of their own cos Owan & Akoko-Edo people resent Etsako. At most, Esan & Afemai can form a country.

Annang & Efik people will never join Ibibios to form a country. They resent Ibibios. Oros on the other hand love Efiks. They and Efiks can form one country.

Ikas & Ndokwas will gladly form one country with each other and even with the Enuanis. Anioma people love themselves, inspite of their pro-Igbo and Anti-Igbo differences.

Northern/Central Cross River people like each other. They can gladly form a country with each other and no one will be afraid of domination cos they are all minority tribes there and no one tribe has a majority status.

The SS will be like 8 countries.

pazienza:
You don't force referendum on people who never invited you for it.
This should be common sense.
Niger delta republic have continuously told you they don't want or need your Biafra. What are you going there to conduct referendum for, are you the one to call referendum for them? Are saying they are not wise enough to know what they want? Don't you see how insulting and insensitive your call for Biafra referendum in Niger Delta is to the people there?

Some Nigerdeltan and Middlebelt leaders have actually met Nnamdi Kanu to include their people into the referendum for BIAFRA.

Few month ago, I met the youth leader of one of the top middlebelt groups in Jos and to my greatest shock, he told me that he has met Nnamdi Kanu and told him that he should include Middlebelt areas into the referendum if it comes.

The problem is that the pro seccessionist Middlebelt & Nigerdeltan people are not vocal and that is why people are thinking that Kanu is mad to include these places.

Cc fhranchez

gwafaeziokwu:
Your clarity of thought is commendable. I share your sentiments too.

Deep inside me I believe Nnamdi Kanu is just raising awareness to let other Igboid groups know that they are welcome to Biafra if they so wish. The reason he had been demanding referendum.

A referendum will clear all doubts. At that point we will know who wish to go with us or not.

Isolating Igbos at this early stage is counter productive. It will make it so easy for the owners of Nigeria to continue perpetuation of their divide and rule strategy. He is playing and beating them at their own game. By the time Biafra is ready to pull out ,the rest of the Minorities in the east would have been sufficiently prepared to leave Nigeria on their own.

It is Nigeria duty to keep the minorities interested. Nnamdi Kanu job is to offer them alternative. We want to be safe and clear on many areas especially as concerns friendly occupants of our access to sea before going full haul. We will also be surrounded on all sides. Friendly neighbours are indispensable.

You hit the nail on the head in response to Pazienza.

Nnamdi Kanu engaging in an Igbo only BIAFRA would be counterproductive.

Take me a Plateau man for instance, 2 years ago, I attacked and insulted Nnamdi Kanu and IPOB members wherever I found them, but today I can't wait to meet Kanu person.

And I am a leader of a middlebelt movement and I have started enlightening my people on reasons why we should partner with Kanu's vision.

Look at the link below and See a Southern Kaduna youth leader pledging his people's support to Kanu few years ago.
I know as an Igbo man, it will hurt to see minorities attacking you for forcefully including them, but this is the best way out.
Igbos can never succeed out of Nigeria without at least the support of 2 other regions (either Yoruba, Nigerdelta or Middlebelt).
And as it stands, Kanu is gradually winning support among the Nigerdelta minorities and Middlebelters (northern Christians), but it's gonna take some time.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/07/southern-kadun-will-go-biafra-danfulani-tells-kanu/amp/

pazienza:
It's happening.
Imagine ropping the likes of Igala in Kogi into Biafra.
One wonder what they are smoking there.
What Igbo man would want such a Frankenstein monster country after enduring the tower of Babel called Nigeria?

How about us having our Independent Igbo only beautiful country, where Igbo language would be the lingua franca for education and all governmental proceedings.
Imagine how cool it would be for Biafra law makers to be debating issues in Biafra senate using Igbo language, national Anthem in Igbo language, teaching core science subjects in schools up to University level in Igbo language.
No more shouts of Igbo domination.

How cool will that be? Wonderful right? Why would any right thinking person sacrifice all that for a hopeless ethnic heterogeneous country where Pidgin English will be the lingua franca?

Ana afucha ebe ana echi ozo jebe ebe ana aru agwu?

If Igbos discard IPOB. What will be the alternative for you guys? MASSOB?

Half is always better than none. Nnamdi Kanu is the only one who has the balls to stand and challenge the existence of this fradulent country. Who else has the balls for it?

Can u do what Nnamdi Kanu is doing? I use to dislike Kanu, but now I support him fully and I hope to meet with him in the nearest future when my own people begin our agitations.

skales67:
I am not trying to sound tribal but an average Igbo guy in Enugu will not see the all the beautiful round figured girls in Enugu and decide to rape hausa VVF-infested girls.

These girls are not Hausas. They are Christians from Southern Borno.

adadike:
We will not condemn this act because it is all lies. I thank my brothers on this thread for facing the yoruba de.ons squarely on this thread and bursting their lies along with their pelebe and kongu heads . Thanks my brothers , I appreciate. Awusa maids in south east indeed!

Those girls are Christians from Southern Borno.
Many northern christian girls do come to the South as maids. It is very very common.