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funmijoyb:
What did Yoruba did? Are borno Hausa? Kanuri victim ran away from bokoharram and your people raped them and sold their babies. You're in support of it as revenge?
Shameful

Those girls are not Kanuris. They are Christians, hence most likely from Southern Borno.

IduNaOba:
So an igbo man will kidnap Hausa girl wey be Muslim join and rape her?
Una dey mad if ụna believe this story.
Its a fucking lie.
Hausa girl want to work for monthly pay in Igbo land?
Really?
Abeg tell me something else.
This story is an a outright lie.

These girls are not Hausa Muslims.
They are Christians from Southern Borno.

darfay:
Oh much better answer. I thought kanuri was dominant as the largest minority in the North. I saw "kasuwan" something in the picture of one road and I know that should be hausa was why I asked

Largest minority in the north should be a close call between Kanuris & Tivs.

Many Kanuris cannot speak Hausa, especially those in the rural areas and towns outside Maiduguri.

It is Southern Borno & Adamawa people in Maiduguri that promote Hausa language there. Together with the Hausa settlers.

Odingo1:
Do you know what you are talking about, so NW/NE is Hausa land.

You need to go back to school

Were u supposed to quote me or Spendoon?

I am correcting that thief called Arrewa and his cohorts who are claiming that Kaduna city is Hausa land, meanwhile it is Gbagyi land.

spendoon:
Guess what nigga, the conperism is based on core north and south east and while arewa is posting pictures of how bad your cities your brother is busy posting villages in the north and calling it undeveloped, I will surely do my diggings on Eastern villages

No, the comparison should be based on Igbo land vs Hausa land.
Is Core-north an ethnic group?

is representing his ethnicity, why don't Arrewa represent his own?

spendoon:
Bro kaduna na Igbo city neh, tell me the owners of kaduna

Kaduna is a Gbagyi ancestral city. It does not belong to Hausa fulani in any way okay?

Hausa fulani land is Zaria and the boundary between Zaria & Southern Kaduna is at Jaji!

Kaduna is no way in hell a Hausa fulani city.

darfay:
Very very decent. Is kanuri/hausa the street lingo of maiduguri?

50-50, just the way Pidgin/English and Yoruba is like 50-50 in Lagos.

Arrewa:
Igbo land! The land of developers!!

stop showing us estates and GRA in Rivers!

Rivers is not south east! Rivers is not Igbo land!!

Show us igbo land!

Rivers is not Igbo land but Kaduna is Hausa fulani land right?
Are you sure you are a normal human being?

Arrewa:
my Arewa!!!

Can't u see how shameless you are?

is posting pictures of Igbo cities but u are posting pictures of the entire North.
Are Maiduguri or Kaduna Hausa fulani cities? Why don't you post Sokoto, Katsina, Gusau, Birnin Kebbi or Dutse?

forgiveness:
For your information, Sweetco foods is part of Zard group. A company into construction (Kopek Construction Limited), Poultry production (Zartech limited), furniture (Vina international limited), Education (Ibadan international schools) etc. That is number 1.
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2. Bovas group. Currently consists of BOVAS & Company Limited (under which the BOVAS Service Stations operate), BOVAS Gas, BOVAS Mart, BOVAS Bulk Storage Facilities and BOVAS Haulage.

You don't wanna compare with Nasco biscuits.

3. Odua investment limited. Nasco biscuits na small pikin.

FOOD AND BEVERAGES – FTN Cocoa processors plc, Industries Limited
HOTEL & CATERING - Lagos Airport Hotel; Premier Hotel; Lafia Hotel
REAL ESTATES - Wemabod Estates Limited
TELECOMMUNICATIONS – Odu’a Telecoms Limited (O’NET)
ENGINEERING SERVICES – E&O Power and Equipment Leasing Limited
PRINTING & PUBLISHING - Odu’a Printing & Publishing Company Limited
FINANCIAL SERVICES – Glanvill Enthoven & Co. (Nig) Limited
MANUFACTURING – Epe Plywood Industries Limited
LEISURE SERVICES – Odu’a City Hall (located within Lafia Hotel)
FARMERS’ ACADEMY - ODU’A Commercial Farmers’ Academy, Tomato farms
OTHERS – Epe Plywood Industries Limited; Ire Clay Products Limited;.
FTN Cocoa Processors Plc, FOOD AND BEVERAGES – Cocoa Industries Limited. Fear catch you small? what if I list the associated companies like Wema Bank, WAPCO, Tower Aluminium, Eternal oil etc, wetin go do you?

4. Myjoy food industries limited. Largest industrial bakery in Nigeria.

5. Ratcon Construction Co. The construction company behind Eko pearls construction

6. Odua Cooperative Conglomerate Limited,

7. LAFE'S BUILDING

8. Eagle line transport company

9. University Press plc

10. Helpline Telecoms Nigeria Limited

11. Sumal foods limited

12. Evans Brothers (Nigeria Publishers) Limited

13. Coop Savings and Loans Limited


Tooooooo many
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Bro, please stop making a caricature of this comparison.
We were talking about product Manufacturing industries and see you flooding everywhere with names of fashion houses, hotels, event centers?
Then what next? Beer parlors, Ashawo centers and Betnaija houses?

Pls, let's be serious. Sector by sector.
The person (Legendhero) who created this comparison emphasized on manufacturing industries, so pls let's stick to that and get done with it first.

Besides there were many errors in your list.
E.g Eagle line is not Headquartered in Ibadan, it is headquartered in Benin
https://www.eagleline.com.ng/contact/

Epe plywood has been shut down over the years ans it is based in Lagos not Ibadan
https://tribuneonlineng.com/10-years-closure-disuse-decay-epe-plywood-ltd/amp/

What exactly do Oduaa investments produce?

The only manufacturing industries headquartered in Ibadan I got from your list were

1. Zard group of companies (Sweetco e t.c)
2. FGN cocoa processors
3. Yale-Sumal foods
4. Myjoy foods.
5. Altak plastics


MANUFACTURING INDUSTRIES WITH HEADQUARTERS IN JOS.

1. SPRING WATER LTD (Swan by UAC)
The pioneer bottle water company in West Africa and the only natural spring bottled water in West Africa, sourced naturally from the Kerang springs in Plateau state.

2. INTEGRATED DAIRIES LTD
The only and first 100% locally sourced yoghurt manufacturing company in Nigeria
with their Cattle ranch right next to their company on the Vom highlands of Plateau.

3. NASCO GROUP
With a networth of almost half a billion dollars. Nigeria's pioneer cereal manufacturing industry.
They are into the manufacturing of Cereals, Biscuits, Sugar, Soap & Detergent.

4. ZUMA STEEL WEST AFRICA
Formerly Jos steel rolling company.

5. GRAND CEREAL & OIL MILL
Manufacturers of Cereals, Vegetable oils & Animal feed.

6. JOS INTERNATIONAL BREWERIES

7. PAPTEC INDUSTRIES LTD
Paper mill industry involved in the manufacturing of Tissue paper, Cardboards, Printing papers, Envelopes e.t.c

8. PYE RYAT FOODS INTL LTD
Manufacturers of Acha fluour, Acha granola, Acha pudding, Baobab fruit powder e.t.c (100% locally sourced content).
Check out their website

http://pyeryatfoods.com/

9. DUNOS SPICES
Manufacturers of all kinds of seasonings, soaps, Perfumes, Air fresheners e.t.c

https://dunosspices.business.site/

10. SYNFONIO FOODS
http://www.synfonio.com/about.html

11. BENNIE AGRO LTD.
Custom metal fabrication, production of agricultural and food processing machines including Tractors, Planting machines, Irrigation machines, Maize hulling machine, Rice destoning machine, Cassava pressing machine, Grinding machine, Cassava milling machine e.t.c

12. DIAMOND PAINTS

13. ZANG TECHNOLOGIES
Manufacture of Powerbanks.

14. A B CHAMI
Manufacturing of perfumes.

15. LOVELY CRYSTAL NIGERIA LTD
Manufacture of high quality Irish & sweet potato chips

16. EMEE PLASTICS

17. OAVALZE FOODS
Manufactures Coffe, Tomato paste...


Outside Companies with a manufacturing branch in Jos

VITAFOAM NIGERIA JOS
NIGERIAN BOTTLING COMPANY JOS


So, pls can Legendhero, Goke7, Iamgrey5, Covidodo or anyone else give a comprehensive list like mine? of manufacturing industries founded/headquartered in Ibadan?

Then after that, if you want us to go into the services, Estate, Retail, Construction or mining industries ,. We can.

Goke7:
you are a liar, you are running away from your shithole jos for a better life. who you dey deceive? stay here and collaborate with your folks in diaspora to salvage your conquered land.

My grandfather is a honorable. He served as a house of rep member during the old Plateau state.
My father was born with a silver spoon, let alone me.

You think we are all the same because we joke with each other here.
I wish nairaland was not a faceless forum, I would have shown you my real self and you tell me if I am running from Nigeria because of poverty.

Iamgrey5:
Another emotional bull crap.

See how you are typing like a emotional baby

And how will a vote for Atiku give you your Middle belt christian republic? Or are you telling me that Atiku will work against his Fulani people?

And about Zik

Many igbos don't like Zik because he told them the truth that they are now just starting to learning. He told Ojukwu that they don't have enough arsenal to win a war against Nigeria. Hence, they hated him because Zik was on the side of Nigeria while his people were dying.

The same igbos voted Tafawa Balewa because of igbo influence in form Alex Ekweme few years after the civil war and voted Tofa ahead of Abiola in 1993..

The same igbos teamed up with the north to vote Obasanjo ahead of Falaye.

So what exactly are talking about?

And how is Atiku liberal than Buhari?

He told Fulani in Jigawa in the last election that he is more Fulani than Buhari and that apart from the fact that he can speak the language, he has more cows than Buhari.

Stop commenting like a baby I beg

A vote for Atiku is not really going to help my people or the Igbos and that is the truth which I realized immediately after that election and that is why I am now a full blown pro-seccessionist.
One year ago, I was still pro-one Nigeria.

Do you think a cow herding terrorist like Buhari can be a big time entrepreneur with a mighty secular private University like Atiku has? Or marry a Christian woman?

Whatever Atiku says in the core-north, he is saying it to get the support of Core-northerners. That is all politics. It cannot change who he really is.

If Atiku had won, he would have taken Northern Christians and Igbos so so dear to him, just like the current Adamawa state governor is doing.

The current Adamawa state governor is a Marghi man, his father is a Muslim and his mother is a Christian.
90% of people who voted for him were the Christians. That is why he now gives preference to Christians in Adamawa in terms of appointments, and he vowed to break down the wings of fulanis in Adamawa state before he leaves.

But I actually prefer as Buhari won. Cos Buhari has promoted hatred and rage among people and Nigeria is getting closer to division now more than ever.
As a pro seccessionist, I prefer this.

After Buhari, I so so pray that another Islamist like El rufai becomes president... So that by that time, when people like us are campaigning and causing trouble for seccession, the majority of non Hausa fulani Nigerians will be on ground before we arrive

Goke7:
you guys are nothing but a joke don't just blame yorubas for your woes in years to come especially if your dream secession become nothing but a pipe dream. All these plans yet you are running to canada ba? what a comedy

I am going to Canada to tap from the great resources of my people in the diaspora for better funding of projects in Nigeria and the same time give my people a foothold outside Nigeria.

Not everything I can say on a faceless forum like nairaland.

Diiet:
I get ur point sha but I know this for sure your view about Yoruba people would change. Mark my word

Ok, I hope so.

Iamgrey5:
Slow as usual

Ilorin Emirate is not Ilorin town. Ilorin town is a creation of Nigerian state. Ilorin Emirate included Asa, Ilorin and parts of Moro local government of today.

Education is free and you can google search the map of Kwara to get an understanding of how silly your claims are.

Ilorin Emirate was surrounded by Bariba, Nupe and Yoruba kingdoms, so if Hausa was the main language in Ilorin Emirate, how come the non Yorubas had to learn Yoruba to survive in that environment. They could have learnt Bariba or even Hausa.

You know that you have been embarrassed with facts and now u are trying to create a safe landing for yourself by forcing words into my mouth.

Can you kindly show me where I ever said that Hausa language was dominant in Ilorin Emirate?
Show me or forever cover your face in shame!
Small ignorant boy.

I said ILORIN TOWN!

Shao, Jebba, Lanwa, Malete, Owode, Ejidongari, Onire, Afon, Paiye, Oloru e.t.c are all pure Yoruba towns under Ilorin Emirate (Asa & Moro LGAs) which surround Ilorin town...

How on Earth can anyone ever claim Ilorin Emirate with all these Yoruba towns were dominantly Hausa speaking?

Oga go and hide your face in shame and stop forcing words into my mouth. I know the difference between Ilorin town & Ilorin Emirate and I can never mistake both for each other not even in my sleep.

In case you don't know about the alliance of Ilorin and ijesha parapo, you are free to learn in the link.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalumi_War

The jalumi war would give you an insight to how Ekitis in particular ended up in Kwara state today.

Okay, thank you for the link. I always love learning.

Iamgrey5:
I still don't get why you are celebrating tbh

What is point of your victory lap

Clown.

Weren't you the one asking for Ekiti numbers in the hope that you will do better than Ekiti state.

And did we not eventually do better than Ekiti?

Ekiti with a population of 2 million plus is doing better than Plateau

Abia with a population of two million plus is dusting Plateau

You know I actually thought u were a smart person, but now I know better.

So, upon the way I have been stressing the fact that the population of a state does not correspond to the population of Indigenes of that state, you mean it has been entering one ear and leaving the other?

Why is Lagos (the most populated state in Nigeria) ranking among the fewest figures in Southern Nigeria?

Your problem don pass my power abeg.
Go and request for a refund of your tuition fees.

Abi you need glasses to see these facts

.And I thought you said Fulani/Muslims are your main problem in Plateau but you are now referencing Nasarawa with an Emir as your preferred reference to show the education prowess of your people.

The main ethnic groups in Nasarawa State are Aguta, Alago, Basa, Ebira, Eggon, Gbagyi, Gwandara, Fulani, Kanuri and Tiv. [copied]

Nasarawa has the Kanuri, Ebira, and Tiv, Fulani you love to hate.

You even once said here on Nairaland that you hate Egon people because they are just as proud as the igbos.

https://smileprojectnigeria.crs.org/?page_id=98

Bro you deserve a degree in dishonesty.

You went to copy a link about Nasarawa from people who could not even spell Agatu well?
They spelt it as AGUTA.
A link that did not even mention MADA as one of the major groups in Nasarawa state?

Mada people who own the whole of Akwanga LGA with Akwanga town (the 2nd biggest town in the state)?
Yet they listed Ebira people who only exist in Toto LGA as a minority and share that LGA with Bassas, Gbagyis & Gades.

So pls tell me what you meant to prove by copying and pasting any random online Link about Nasarawa.

It seems like you don't know that most Nigerians don't even know the true ethno-religious compositions of their states or country. Let alone foreigners. Especially in minority areas like ours, most people don't know outside their LGAs. We do not have official research documents capturing all these things to the smallest detail, neither do we have these things taught in schools.
If I ask the governor of Plateau state for example to list all the over 50 ethnic groups that make up Plateau state, he would never be able to do it.
Knowing these things take years of serious personal research and efforts.

I have been in the field of knowing the demography of my people for the last 10 years, yet till date I discover new facts I never knew about certain ethnic groups.

Joshua Project Nigeria & Ethnologue have been the best authorities who have tried to capture the best representation of ethnicities in Nigeria.

https://joshuaproject.net/countries/NI

Personally I have learnt from them. But even with all their efforts, they still have uncountable errors which I have discovered among my people.

Anyway, that aside. Plateau state have far more Hausa fulani Kanuris than Nasarawa state does! Only the Hausa fulanis in Jos will outnumber those in Lafia, Keffi & Nasarawa town combined.
The only difference is that Plateau Indigenes are 85% Christian so we heavily resist Hausa fulanis unlike Nasarawa Indigenes that are 70% Christian, so they resist less.
Nasarawa state has 3 Emirates, Plateau has 2-3 Emirates too. Southern Kaduna Indigenes who are 90% Christian also have 3 Emirates too!
So Emirates in no way change Nasarawa state!

Most Nasarawa Indigene Muslims are not even under Emirates! Alago, Afo, Gwandara, Eggon, Ebira, Gade muslims are under chiefdoms together with their Christian Brothers.

So if you don't know anything about Nasarawa state, kindly ask.
Nasarawa & Plateau people were in the same state for 30 years.

Furthermore, It's a known fact(an open secret) that the big Kano population is as a result of immigrants from other parts of Hausa land but this takes nothing away from their jamb figures.

Yes it does, cos majority of the people who now claim Kano indigeneship are not Indigenes of Kano.
Imagine if majority of Yoruba settlers in Lagos claimed Lagos as their state of origin for jamb, will Lagos figures not be x3 of Imo state?
That is what Kano is.

The Kano and the Kaduna figures shows Hausa from that side take education seriously than the rest of Hausa land. The brightess Hausa brains always come from Kano or Kaduna e.g. Sanusi, fomer senator Sanni etc.

Even in Yoruba land and Igbo land, states like Osun, Abia Imo and Ekiti are doing better than the rest of their peers in Education when one factor in their population.

My friend! no matter how hard you try to rewrite this data and twist facts to your advantage, the facts still remains that you and the educational minded Hausas in Kaduna and Kano are moving at a similar pace when it comes to education.

As for the south west, your people still have a decade of catching up to do.

No, you are wrong. It is not possible for people of the same ethnic group who have been sharing the same social space, intermarriage and everything together for decades to have a very wide margin of literacy rate and other social factors! Impossible.

At most, the margin would be small. Compare Oyo & Ekiti figures in the jamb list, you will see that Oyo is more than twice the number of Ekiti. This is simply a reflection of the Indigenous population!

People of the same ethnic group or regional group who have the same cultures/mentality always do things together.
The influence always spread on each other and the people evolve together.
There is no way that Kano state would be recording increasingly high figures while their next door neighbor Jigawa with whom they shared the same state with for decades is not growing in the same pace.

Can't you see Nasarawa, Plateau & Southern Kaduna? We are one people and if you compare the figures of these 3 states, u will see that they are growing in the same pace!
This is because we are not feeding off each other the way Kano is feeding off other Hausa states.

Most Nasarawa middle-class people live in Jos or Kaduna and that is why their state had a lower population in 2006 census, but Nasarawa Indigenes will never use Plateau or Kaduna as their state of indigeneship when writing jamb. That is why you can see their jamb figures giving us from Plateau & Southern Kaduna a hot chase.

Why are neighbouring Katsina & Jigawa not giving Kano a hot chase? Simple.
Cos most Katsina & Jigawa people living in Kano city will use Kano as their state of origin!
So, Kano is growing in jamb figures disproportionately because it is feeding off other Hausa states.

Kaduna on the other hand is growing mostly because of Southern Kaduna people! Then, the Hausa settlers from other states who also claim Kaduna.
If we should follow people like you and attribute Kaduna growth numbers to Hausa fulani muslims, the equally growing numbers of neighbouring Plateau & Nasarawa (Southern Kaduna's siblings) will embarass you and put you to instant shame!
What happened to the parable of 'show me your friend and I will tell you who you are'?

Southern Kaduna, Plateau & Nasarawa are like triplets. We have a similar number of Indigenes and Landmass.

And the most embarrassing part of this comparison is that Southern Kaduna Indigenes are more Christian than Plateau & Nasarawa Indigenes.
So, how in hell will Plateau & Nasarawa with more muslim indigenes be growing in number while Southern Kaduna is not?

Can't you see how you are now embarrassing yourself with your assertion?

There is no Indigenous tribe in Southern Kaduna that is muslim majority, but Plateau state has 3 tribes that are muslim majority.
Funny enough, Nasarawa has only 1 tribe that is muslim majority (Ebira) , although they have many others that are 50-50 and ⅓ muslims unlike Plateau.

People will start taking Hausas seriously when Zamfara, Kebbi, Sokoto, Jigawa & Katsina figures start rising at same level with Kano.

Anybody that uses Kaduna state figures to judge Hausa fulani literacy rate is on a long thing!
Kaduna state has the highest population of Christians in Northern Nigeria after Benue. This is something many people don't know, they think it is Plateau state. Just because Plateau is a Christian majority state.

Iamgrey5:
Lol

You are simply silly

Look at your silly claims

Osi,

Ajase,

sanlu

Omu (Omu Aran)

Those are the igbomina towns and they are scattered in both in Osun and Kwara state

Omu-Aran ,
Òbà, Ajasse Ipo , Eleju of Eju-land, Eku-Mesesan-Oro (Ijomu-Oro, Iddo-Oro, Okerimi-Oro, Afin-Oro, Okeola-Oro, Ibode-Oro, Otun-Oro, Iludun-0ro, Agbeola-Oro), Edidi (Edidi-ona, Edidi Idera, Edidi Oja) , Oke-Onigbin , Isanlu Isin , Ijara-Isin , Aran-Orin, Rore , Esiẹ ,
Omupo , Omugo , Ipetu-Igbomina ,
Igbaja , Ora, Oke-Ode, Owu-Isin, Oro-Ago, Ahun, Arandun, Shaare , Oke-Aba, Owode Ofaro, Ikosin

How many of those were mentioned in the Article?

Stop trying to be smarter than your shadow! Not all Igbominas were under the Emirate! It was only those within Ilorin province.

I have the read the entire length & breadth of that colonial book and in that book, the British largely called people based on the names of their prominent towns.
Osi was the most conspicuous town in Ekiti speaking Kwara, so it represented Ekiti & Oke-oro LGAs. Ajase, Omu Aran & Isanlu on the other hand rep Ifelodun, Irepodun & Isin LGAs.

So, what exactly is your headache and why are you listing all the Igbomina villages & Hamlet's all over Nigeria?
Pls I only like to engage in conversations with smart people.
Common sense should tell you that the Igbominas, Ekitis and others in present day Kwara state (northern Nigeria) found themselves there because they were under the influence of the Emirate!
Those in the SW were not.

The colonialists drew the map of Northern Nigeria to correspond with Emirates and people who were under the influence of Emirates.
That was the reason why even half of Edo north were classified under the Northern protectorate initially, but they were later adjusted into the South. Edo north (Auchi & Akoko Edo axis) largely came under the influence of Nupe-fulani jihadists.

Ekitis on the other hand have their people Ekiti in nearby Ekiti state and other Yorubas in Kogi.

And how on Earth does this relate with the points on ground? Don't I know this.

Yorubas in Kogi, Ebiras & Edo north were considered to be under the sphere of Nupe (Bida Emirate) influence and that was why they all found themselves under the Northern protectorate!

If you know anything about the ijesha parapo (including the Ekitis) alliance with Ilorin (Emirate) against ibadan, then you will realize why Ekitis ended up in Kwara state today.

Ok, please enlighten me with documents. I am always interested in knowledge.

And @ emboldened you claimed that Hausa language was spoken in Ilorin because majority of its people were non Yorubas or have you forgotten your own lie.

Yes, but does that make Yoruba a foreign language to Ilorin?

All the Hausa speakers in Ilorin were settlers for crying out loud. They were surrounded by Yoruba speaking communities on all fronts, so it was only a matter of time for them to be absorbed. Same way they were absorbed in Nupeland, Igalaland or elsewhere.

Ilorin Emirate was surrounded by Baribas to the East, Nupe to the north and Yoruba to the south. So how come Ilorin people who were majorly non Yorubas had to learn Yoruba to survive.

Shameless liar

Ogbeni stop trying to be smarter than yourself

Ilorin town is the topic in question as relating to Hausa language and not Ilorin emirate.
Or don't u know the difference between both?

Hausa fulanis did not settle all over the dozens of towns and villages that make up Ilorin Emirate!
Ilorin town was their abode, and from there they controlled all the other Yoruba towns & villages surrounding Ilorin town (within Ilorin Emirate) and down to the pagan areas south of Ilorin Emirate (Kwara south).

So there was no way in hell the Hausa speakers in Ilorin town could outlive all the dozens of Yoruba villages & settlements surrounding the town.

Yoruba villages surround Ilorin town! Baribas & Nupes border Ilorin Emirate to the north.

Pls abeg I am getting very very tired of schooling you. I only like to engage intelligent people.

Kidakudz5:
are you the one to tell us who to vote? And when has any yoruba wanted your useless love from an inconsequential minority who is afraid to name his worthless and inferior tribe..
Instead of you to worry about your women getting fvcked and men getting killed by fulanis in your plateau state, na who yorubas vote for be your headache..
Goat..

Stop being a psychopath. I wasn't engaging you in a conversation. Don't come from nowhere to display stupidity.

Is Oke-Ogun in Plateau state too?

abduljabbar4:
I said I'm not sure because I don't frequent that area. The only thing that takes me to Wusasa is their hospital and if you are saying that there are more Christians than Muslims in Samaru then I have every reason to say that your claims on Wusasa are likely to be false. Yes!

Okay

I mentioned all the factors that I considered to make my guess and you said no. We should care about the name, we shouldn't care about the history, we shouldn't care about observation/population sampling, we shouldn't consider the number of mosques and we shouldn't consider voting patterns. Talking about sects that don't vote, may I also inform you that shiites don't vote as well? Kindly tell us what we should consider to make our estimates then. Or are you saying that the person who makes the longest post is right or do we just have to accept your claims that are backed by nothing at all.

You were the one who rejected Google maps. For me, it was and still is the best option we have.

Maybe Its only Hausas that are Muslims. Maybe all of the Nupes, Igalas, Kuramas, Igbiras and the rest are all christian majority. Thats my answer for you.

How are Nupes, Igalas & Ebiras coming into this discussion for God's sake? Are they Indigenes of Kaduna state?

Thank God you cannot answer the question over ownership of Saminaka. Saminaka is a pure Kurama town, same with Pambeguwa in Kubau LGA. That is why all the villages and towns in between and around Pambeguwa & Saminaka are Kurama communities.

Now, everyone knows that Kurama are predominantly christian. No Kurama towns or communities are muslim majority except for Pambeguwa & Saminaka which Hausa fulani settlers have populated.

That's the excuses you guys always give. You have apathy. When then is it that the polling unit results in Muslim and Christian dominated areas always have similar total number of votes. If Muslims are having 800 total votes in every PU and Christians are managing something within the range of 100-200 I might take your claims seriously. Im surprised you didn't even include your usual 'underaged voters' propaganda.

Muslim areas tend to have more polling units, that is why. A Christian Angwa will have like 4 polling units while a muslim Angwa of the same size will have like 10. So, why would u be surprised when the numbers match?

Let's handle it this way. Forget about election results. You are looking at figures without considering voters turnout. In 2015 the Southeast and South South showed a nearly unrealistic voters turnout. One state had over 85% turnout while the northern states had the average of around 60%. This shows that the christians in those regions Proportionally voted more, much more than the muslims hence your claims are ridiculous.

This is a 2 faced lie. 2015 elections where only 250k people voted in Abia state yet over a million people registered?
Pls bring the list of registered voters and votes of 2015 let us compare. Infact, wait I will bring it and tag you.

Lol. Go and tell all the Christians around Narayi, Gonin Gora, Barnawa, Magajin Gari, Unguwan Yero and so on. How many modern houses exist in Unguwan Gado? Lol. Christians by in bulk my foot. Not when their areas are filled with LEA children wearing tattered clothes everywhere just like the Hausas that you despise so much. Have you ever been to Palladan before? By the way, if Christians do not complain about curfews then you may need to explain to me why there are crises going on everywhere in the south due to the lockdown. Just tell me.

Do Southerners farm? Southerners who have all left their villages for a city life and Hussle?

Every northern Christian has a family member who lives in the villages and farm. Southerners have largely abandoned farming, so they have to buy every single thing they consume at exorbitant prices, coupled with the high cost of living and extravagant lives they live.

You cannot compare Northern christians to Southern Christians in terms of possession of food.

Christian areas are filled with Children with tattered clothes? You must be a joker. Do we have almajiris roaming our streets in thousands?
How many of such tattered clothes children do you see among the Christians living with you there in Malali?

If I hadn't seen the way christians, just like some Muslims go about begging for sugar, Maggie cubes and the rest while I was in the Uni I would have fallen for your falsehood. Busted. By the way can you show me how it became a fact that christians farm more than Muslims?

Ok take Kaduna state for example. There are more Hausa fulani settlers living in Southern Kaduna towns than Southern Kaduna people living in Northern Kaduna towns (save for Zaria).
How do the thousands of Hausa fulani settlers survive in Kafanchan, Jere, Kachia, Kauru, Saminaka e.t.c? Is it not by trade?
Or do they have lands in Southern Kaduna where they farm? Hell no.
How many Southern Kaduna people do you see living in Soba, Ikara, Giwa, Makarfi e.t.c? Are most of the Christians in Northern Kaduna not Indigenous Hausas who live in the interior areas farming?

All over the Middlebelt and northern Christian homeland, u always find Hausa fulani settlers in our towns and this has lead to conflicts in many many cases. How do all these Hausa fulani settlers survive in these places when all the lands for farming belong to the Indigenes?

In a state like Adamawa, you will see fulanis & muslims opening their mouth to tell you that Muslims are the majority in the state.
Take a vehicle and travel through the state, u will discover that 90% of the people u find in the rural areas are Christians, but when u reach the towns it will look like 50-50 because Cin Rani are everywhere.
How many Cin Rani own farmlands?

Adamawa is too far, let me bring it to Lere LGA in Kaduna state. Muslims are up to 40% of Lere LGA, but Muslims think they are in the majority, but no wahala, we agree.

The question now is that how many villages do Muslims own in Lere LGA? Almost none!

90% of all the muslims in Lere LGA are in just 5 overcrowded towns (Saminaka, Lere, Dan-Alhaji, Kayarda & Sabon birni). All the lands and villages surrounding these towns belong to the Kurama, Gure, amo natives who do all the farming. How do all the Cinrani Hausa settlers survive in these places? Do they farm?
Then u are asking me how we farm more than you people?

I'm genuinely interested. You said the average hausa man sells Sugarcane right? I want to challenge that claim of yours. Why do Hausa teachers dominate the Muslims in the educational, health, etc sectors in Kaduna? Where did you get your info about your dominance in the civil service in Kaduna? I have every reason to believe that you are somewhere within the five states of the region of hatred and bitterness playing around with your Google map. They are the ones that think every Hausa man is either a sugarcane, date or goro seller Go to the best schools Kaduna has to offer (EIS, Zamani, etc). We outnumber christians 30:1.I studied in Essence International School.

If u like think I am an Igbo, that is your own headache. Oh, I have hatred in me while u Hausa fulanis have love in you right?

Are you not a comedian? You expect Christians to compete with you in schools in Northern Kaduna areas that are muslim dominated? Why not try schools in Kaduna city south or in places like Mando or even Hayin Banki/Kawo?

You said Hausas fail in everything that has to do with commerce. Yet the most famous businessmen that are currently in Kaduna and beyond are almost strictly Muslims. If I asked you to list the richest men in northern Nigeria you would mention Dantata, Atiku, Sani Bello, Mahadi, Indimi, Dangote, etc. Not a single northern christian yet we are the ones that do terribly in business.

Where and when did I say Hausas fail in commerce? Hausas are good in business and everyone knows that. Your Illiteracy and religious extremism is just your undoing.

I feel a bit insulted when I read where you said you grew up in Warri. I spent my entire life living in Malali, Kaduna and Zaria yet I'm here arguing with you over something that can easily be observed.

So, does growing up in a particular place mean that one does not know about other places?
Do u know that one can spend only 3 months in a particular place but he knows that place more than someone who has done 10 years in that place?
Someone who walks & tours around every street, ask questions and explore compared to someone who is always indoors at the comfort and lavish of their parents. Can u compare both irrespective of the time they spend in certain places?

We are not comparing Warris population. You talked about a market. How about you tell us who out numbers who in that particular area where the market is situated. It's just like you are saying since there are more christians than muslims in Sabon Gari, Kano, it means there are more christians than muslims in Kano. Stop digressing.

The people in that market area in Warri cannot even be up to 10% Muslims cos the muslims are in the market alone.
That was just an illustration. A market cannot be used to judge an Angwa or a town and that is the point.

You are insulting your own intelligence. I'm not insulting yours. What if I told you that Google Maps doesn't capture Makama Halliru mosque (which is well known to accommodate more Muslims every Friday than the one near the emirs Palace?).

Google maps do not also capture many churches as well. It is a random thing. Or do u think Google maps was wired to include churches and exclude mosques?

In ABU, there is one mega mosque and one Mega church available yet you can't even compare the populations of christian and muslim students in the university unless you want to be mischievous as you are already sounding like. Also, you said we don't go to school yet if you go to FCE Zaria, Kadpoly, Kasu, NTI and ABU we seem to outnumber you by at least 8-2?

Lol, maybe you think Kaduna state is Kano state where there are few Christian indigenes.
You people outnumber Christians in Kaduna state tertiary institutions 80-20? Can you listen to yourself again? And u want to be taken seriously?

Not even Bauchi, Gombe or Borno state which are clear muslim majority states have schools that are 80-20 Muslim majority let alone Kaduna.

Kaduna tertiary institutions where Christians vied for SUGs, Dean's & even VC slots? If not for bigotry with which you guys used in hijacking these schools within the last decade, and started giving preference in admission and employment to only your people, Christians used to outnumber you guys there clearly. Now, these schools are like 60-40 and that is why they have started deccaying and retrogressing.

Nigeria as a whole is sinking due to this bigotry of your people.
These are the reasons why people like me will lay my life down for we Middlebelt and northern christians to join Igbos and leave this Satanic union called Nigeria.
You Hausa fulanis can then continue competing with yourselves in retrogression & bigotry.

Lastly, dont forget to tell us what we should consider to consider the populations since you are not satisfied with the most obvious criteria one should adopt. If we are to go by raw e-noise, I might as well say that there are more muslims than Christians in Delta state.

Google maps is the best & only option. Cos that one cannot be manipulated or was not manipulated by anyone.

Iblad0994:
You are the highest hypocrite I’ve ever known on Nairaland.

You blamed the Yorubas for voting for Buhari and claimed they support the Islamic Fulanis against you and yet you’re here telling us the reason why some minorities in Plateau voted him Is coz they had a valid reason. Don’t Yorubas also have a valid reason?

What a hypocrite you are!

You said in some of your post that you hated Yorubas for supporting the Fulanis against the Christina middle belt and even went as far as saying Atiku (another Fulani) is more liberal than Buhari. Can you see you should be termed the most confused person on earth. Will Atiku choose you ahead of his Fulani lineage?

Hear this clearly, you can’t teach the Yorubas who to hate and who to love. I’ve seen your comments and I can clearly see the magnitude of the hate you nurture. Infact if I am to choose between a Hausa man and your tribe, I will choose the Hausa man a million times.

You are a double-mouthed fellow, shifting your stance at every opportunity and that gives you out as someone will zero integrity.

Of course, the average Yoruba prefers a Hausa fulani over a Christian cos you guys share one religion in Islam. The irony of this is that whenever crisis starts in the North, you Yoruba muslims will run away from your Hausa lovers to safety in Christian areas.
These are some of the reasons why I tend to dislike Yorubas as much as Hausa fulanis.


Yes, I only excused my people for voting Buhari in 2015 because majority of us did not vote for him! A minority of us did. The majority still voted for GEJ in spite of all the wrongs he did to us.
Had it been 60% of Yorubas voted for GEJ, do you think anybody would have called you guys betrayers or anything?

Didn't you see where I said I gave up on Tiv people too in 2015 when the majority of them voted Buhari?


In 2019, Atiku was a lesser evil than Buhari and everyone knows it. If there was a non- Hausa-fulani candidate in a major party, do you think we will vote for Atiku? Hell no. It was between 2 evils and we chose the lesser evil. However, majority of Yorubas chose the greater evil due to selfishness.

Iamgrey5:
Bro so after playing up the population of Muslims in your state to reduce your population, you are now increasing the christian population in Kaduna to score another. You Forgot about Taraba state which is the true reflection of your people.

No problem you have ended up defeating in your logic

if Kaduna has more christian popinulation than Muslims going by the 2006 population census that should put Kaduna christian population above 3000000 million people which is very similar to the population of Osun state.

However, Osun is always among the top three states in Jamb registration in Nigeria while Kaduna makes up 7th to 10th position..

So what other angle are you looking at?

Iamgrey5:
@ Nowenuse cry baby

See Kano and Kaduna doing wonders because of the high numbers of Christians in those states, even if they have never voted a Christian before, while Taraba your christian state neighbour is no where to be found..

You are just being a clown
You say I am reducing Christian population in Plateau and increasing Christian population in Kaduna?

I never said that Christians are more than Muslims in Kaduna. No.
It is very much a close 50-50 thing. And this can clearly be proven by the best means we have available.

About Plateau, are u doubting that Muslims have up to 20% of the state or what? In Jos which has almost ⅓ of Plateau state's population, muslims make up at least 25-30% of the city. Apart from the Jos population, they also dominate 2 other LGAs out of the remaining 15 and have significant minorities in other LGAs.

Now u can see that Kaduna state has almost twice the population of Plateau state and this defines Southern Kaduna & Zaria people.


Now, let us look into your comparison of Osun & Kaduna.
Yes, Kaduna should have 3 million Christians based on 2006 census and this 3 million Christians should be the exact population of Kaduna indigene Christians, cos the number of Kaduna Indigenes Christians outside Kaduna state I believe can neutralize that of the Christian settlers in Kaduna state.

But how about Osun? Can the number of settlers in Osun state neutralize the number of Osun Indigenes outside Osun?
Osun & Ekiti are like the least cosmopolitan states in Yoruba land. How many settlers go to Osun?
But ask yourself how many Osun people live outside Osun, starting with a place like Lagos for example

Do I need to use hammer on your brain to make you understand that the jamb list is based on the Indigenous population of a state?
Osun Indigenes would clearly outnumber Southern Kaduna or Plateau Indigenes in number!

I have listed the only Southern states my state can compete with in number of Indigenes.


Kano state is high because it is the Lagos of Hausaland where everyone is accepted and allowed to claim indigeneship. Even non Hausa fulanis are allowed indigeneship certificates in Kano, as long as you have pure Islamic names, you are a Muslim and can speak Hausa fluently.

Katsina has a strong number of Indigenes. Infact, Katsina should have more Indigenes than Kano! Zaria cannot smell Katsina in number of Indigenes, yet Katsina is always lower than Plateau state.
Why the hell is it not having high figures?

You are laughing at Taraba.

Taraba has even less Indigenes than Plateau state and more Muslims.
You can see Taraba state low numbers from the 2006 census na and it's not as if they even migrate anywhere.

Taraba with it's small population is now at least 30% Muslim.

Go through these pictures below and compare Plateau state with Ekiti from 2012 to 2015 and see how Plateau overtook and dusted Ekiti.

You can also see that Plateau state is always having ⅔ of Kaduna state figures as both states increase over the years.
To show you that we and our Southern Kaduna siblings are moving at the same pace.
Kaduna gave Plateau a margin of 15k in 2012, but by 2015 the margin was 12k.

But compare Kano & Katsina figures you will see that Kano is growing at a faster rate than Katsina. At 2012, the margin between them was 11k, at 2015 the margin was 28k.
Why? Are they not the same people? This should tell you that something is wrong with Kano.
Kano is high on the steroids of every Hausa speaking Muslim immigrant claiming it as a state of origin.

Ehen, another lesson to show you the point I have been stressing on since!
Look at Nasarawa & Plateau states. Nasarawa state is always dragging numbers with Plateau state, but go and check the 2006 population of Nasarawa state, it is almost half of Plateau state! Yet, how come they are dragging numbers with us?
This is simply because not until recently when Abuja started developing into Karu, many Nasarawa Indigenes lived in Jos & Kaduna.
Before I used to underrate the population of Nasarawa Indigenes, not until I came across this jamb enrollment and saw the way they were dragging numbers with us.

Nasarawa even has more muslims than Plateau state (35%). The only good thing is that majority of Nasarawa muslims are Alagos & Agatus (Idoma speakers), Ebiras, Afos & Jukuns. They are not Hausa fulanis. Many of them even find it difficult to speak good Hausa. Hence they are progressive just like Kogi & Yoruba muslims.

Taraba unfortunately has majority of regressive Muslims!

So I hope you have learnt your lessons from this and will stop giving senseless replies.

Iamgrey5:
You have a problem tbh

First of all, when a moniker is banned on Nairaland for making a comment unfairly and the moniker is restored, the comments made is also restored..

You can ask anyone here on Nairaland

So why wasn't your comment restored

Of course my comments were restored! But the ban prevented me from making any more replies/comments until it was lifted.
My reply on the updated list of tertiary institutions in Jos was one of them.

Go over the page you archived and tell me of any specific reference was made about Ekitis and igbominas,

Ogbeni, didn't u see where towns like Osi, Ajase, Isanlu & Omu (Omu Aran) were mentioned among pagan tribes of the Emirate that have been divided into districts?
If I mention Awo free edu now, u go dey vex.
Or forgive me, perhaps you don't even know the names of these towns above as Igbomina & Ekiti speaking towns of Kwara.

This confirms what I said earlier that many of you Yorubas arguing here do not know Jack outside the SW.
The only exceptions on this thread are forgiveness, Legendhero and Myobjective.

Ilorin Emirate only ends in four local government area in Kwara state today. Ilorin Emirate had different districts ruled on behalf of the Emir till today. All this districts is within Ilorin Emirate.

Perhaps you need a classes..

Yes, Ilorin Emirate of present day is limited to Kwara central! But in the past it controlled Kwara south too!
Infact, just like you, I did not know.

Some years ago, A Nigerian friend of mine in Germany told me that in the past, the Emir of Ilorin was responsible for coronating and turbaning Obas in Kwara south, I screamed at him that it was a lie.
Not until I came across this document many months ago and my mouth almost dropped.

So, you are the one who needs a class and not me.

@ second point..

Ilorin also witnessed a lot of non Yoruba migration into it. There were lots of Nupe. Hausa and Bariba that came into Ilorin. So how come they had to learn Yoruba to survive.. Even Saraki once claimed his father came into Ilorin from Mali. So how come his generation had to learn Yoruba to survive?

Colonial Ilorin province corresponds to present day Kwara state which is at least 75-80% Yoruba speaking. How then on Earth do u think Bariba & Nupe immigration can ever come close to that of Yoruba in Ilorin during the old Ilorin province? Many Ilorin Nupes were even moving to Bida rather than Ilorin.

Don't give silly analogies and arguments in order to save face.

Saraki's father's claim being from Mali is very fictional, besides, even if it was true. Malians do not speak Hausa. Hausa language in Ilorin needed Hausa reinforcements and not Malian.

Maybe you don't understand your logic is defeated when you claimed a language died in a place because of a foreign language.

This last paragraph shows that you don't even know what u are saying. Abeg if sleep is catching you, pls sleep and save me the stress of schooling you.

How can you say I claimed that Hausa language died in Ilorin due to a foreign language?
Yoruba was not a foreign language in Ilorin. Ilorin was multilingual but all the towns surrounding Ilorin were Yoruba speaking, so of course, Hausa & fulfude languages were the foreign language in Ilorin that were naturally supposed to die out.

Simple!

Diiet:
I now wonder how many of his people he dislike because they voted Buhari. Bro pls stop going back and forth with that guy he seems to be enjoying the show,I mean the attention.

If majority of my people had voted for Buhari just because of what Jang did, then I would have given up being a nationalist for my people same way I gave up on Benue & Kogi people.

The minority of my people who voted for Buhari in 2015 had a very valid reason. Even my mother voted for Buhari

Allegations of corruption were too much on GEj's govt. The 'change and incorruptible messiah mantra' being propagated by you Yorubas was very captivating. Many loved Osibanjo 'the pastor' through Adeboye (like my Mom).
Aisha Buhari the beautiful enlightened first lady frying Akara against the lousy PEJ was not even helping matters.
GEJ also fired the 2 most influential northern christians in his cabinet ANDREW YAKUBU (GMD NNPC) and the other guy from Southern Borno (I've forgotten his name). In addition to Jang's madness.

Like the whole world worked against GEJ's reelection, yet majority of my people still voted for him. I perused through the votes of all Northern Christian areas and the majority of my people still did not vote for Buhari in 2015. Unlike those petty Tiv & Igala people who are no different from you Yorubas & other Southerners.

Abeg, I have confidence in my people.

Covidodo:
Plateau voted for Buhari in 2015 .
Only Nassarawa and Taraba voted GEJ in the whole of the North in 2015.

The dude fools no one but himself

Buhari did not win Plateau in 2015. It was a 60-40. Mugu.

Diiet:
If I get your point clearly you dislike Yorubas because majority of them worked with North to install Buhari as the president,if this is realy the case then that's a blind judgement. In the last election, Buhari Narowly lost to Atiku in your plateu state, about 468,555 of your people voted for Buhari while 548,665 gave their votes to Atiku. Some of your family members,friends,biz partners, church members etc were among the people that voted for Buhari, not ghosts, because of this what kind of thoughts do you hold about them? The type you hold about Yorubas for exercing their civic right? Think about it!
One funny thing about internet is that anybody can claim to be anything,we've seen people who took pics in front of other people's on going building projects and claim it to be theirs only for their lies to be bursted later by the real owners. But if your claims about the Kaduna projects are real then kudos to you. However, if you want to tag me for real about your future projects, the ones I'll be more interested to see are these:
1= the progress of your relationship with Ibos
2= the progress being made about the secession group of your people you already planning to float next year and
3= the cash crops you'll be taking to Europe.
Do not forget all these are your claims. Have a nice day and I wish you well in your endeavour.

2019 election was nothing but a big useless fraud.

In 2015 elections, Buhari got extra 15% of Plateau people's votes cos Jang betrayed us and we wanted to break him down. Jang wanted to entrench Berom superiority in Plateau state and that is something we all fought against. That was why we elected an APC governor.

Normally, 25% of Plateau's votes are Muslims, hence it will always go for APC.
So, if you divide the Christian's votes, u will see that only a small minority of Christians voted for Buhari and those were Christians who had a hatred for Jang. Many other Christians stayed neutral and did not vote, hence making APC figures higher!

I know my people. If most of them support Buhari I go know.
If not for Jang's stupidity, APC would never have gotten anywhere in Plateau state.



To address the main issue.

If you think I will have pictures of desks being produced and students & teachers being addressed as a stolen work of someone else, then your suspicion and paranoia levels are something else. Though, I will not blame you, I will blame Nairaland and the Nigerian society on how lies have become the default, so people hardly believe the truth anymore without questioning it.

About my People's union with the Igbos and other things u requested, yes I will tag you.

I wanted to go into mini-exportation few years ago and I discovered that Ginger (of which 90% of it is being farmed by my people in Southern Kaduna) was one of the hotcakes.
Now fast forward. I am moving over to Canada immediately after this Corona epidemic. Infact I should already be there now if not for this epidemic. I have my LMI and a job already.

I will be there to receive and market my People's products to the Western world.

Perhaps you mistakenly thought I meant large cashcrop exportation? No pls. I meant mini-exportation. However, we will get to the level of large scale exportation in the shortest possible time with God on our side. Cos that is our target.
And these things are just a tip of the iceberg of what we want to do.

Hmm, and maybe you are one of those who think it will be impossible for Igbos and Northern christians to form a seccesionist alliance? Don't worry, wait and see.

Before the operation Python crackdown, why was Kanu saying that he wants to come to Kaduna for a rally?

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/07/video-will-go-lagos-kaduna-says-ipobs-nnamdi-kanu/amp/

Was it not because one of Southern Kaduna's leaders (John Danfulani) came to meet him in the SE and pledged his people's support and inclusion to BIAFRA?

https://punchng.com/southern-kaduna-will-join-biafra-if-nigeria-breaks-up-danfulani/amp/

Here in Jos, I met with the Youth leader of the Middlebelt forum last 2 months ago and he told me that he himself has met Kanu in person and told him to include Northern minorities areas into his referendum request.

So if you think it is a new thing, then you are on a long thing and in for a heart attack soon.

Iamgrey5:
Something is seriously wrong with you tbh

You claim Northern Muslims are holding you back in Plateau from having a decent record in Academies, yet you still referenced the performance of a state with almost 60% Muslim as a state to recognize the progress of your people..

A state with a Muslim governor and deputy governor..

A state that gives Hausa Fulanis nothing less than a million votes for the past two elections.

Always flip floping like a bathroom slippers: D

No, you are the one with a bigger problem cos you cannot remove your Ngbaati ngbaati lenses and see things objectively!

First of all do you have a proof that Kaduna state is 60% muslim? Oh you will say but the Muslims dominate the politics of the state. How shallow of you!
I can give you proofs to show that Kaduna state is 50-50.

Besides, even if muslims are 60% according to you in Kaduna state.
If your upstairs functions well, The question you should ask yourself is why is it that the Hausa fulani state with the largest population of indigenous Christians always has the highest figures in Jamb?

2ndly, Talking about the Indigenous population of Kaduna state is very very different from the overall population.

A large chunk of muslims in Kaduna state are Nupes, Ebiras, Auchi, Yorubas e.t.c while others are from other Northern states.
There are also Christian settlers in Kaduna, but the numbers can never match that of muslim settlers.

So, if you take the population of Indigenes of Kaduna state, there is no way Zaria Indigenes can outnumber Southern Kaduna indigenes. IMPOSSIBLE.

Southern Kaduna Indigenes have Indigenous populations in 15 LGAs out of the 23 LGAs in Kaduna state!
You think because Muslim immigrants came and populated everywhere, then they own the state right?

In 2011, Kaduna also gave GEJ over a million votes. It was 1.2mill against 1.3 mill.

Covidodo:
Are you dyslexic ??
You are making this unnecessarily cumbersome .

The genesis of the argument was when you stated that the Northern Christians have caught up with the South in education which made me post the Jamb statistics to bust your bubble .

Then you claimed that it was because those states had more people .
Now you are changing mouth .

I totally hate dishonest people .

PS: Stop being unnecessarily foolish . Why are you calling Yoruba people and Awo ??
I've been trying to be civil in the face of your obvious provocations .

Folks reading this can go a few pages back to see the evolution of this argument

You are the one who is ignorant. Well I don't blame you people. Many Yorubas have never left Iwo in their lives, so they hardly understand the wider Nigeria


Yes, Jamb statistics is based on indigeneship of states! For God's sake, why should states with more Indigenes be compared to state's with less Indigenes? Does it make any sense?

Pls between you or Iamgrey5, whoever is with the full list of the 36 states should post it and let us check if Ekiti, Ebonyi, Bayelsa, Cross River or Lagos states are higher than Plateau state! Thank you.

Common sense is not really common.
Why will I not bring Awo into all these? You people boast of being the most educated but yet simple contexts are difficult for you people to understand.

For God's sake, do all Nigerian states have the same numbers of Indigenes? Settlers? E.t.c?

Why then should a list based on population of Indigenes be posted yet you guys cannot still understand the factors of consideration?

Iamgrey5:
Always clever by half as usual

Why were you banned twice today?

What were you trying to post ? Abi there was a reason Legendhero was banned and he told us.

You have not only been defeated on the Jos Vs ibadan front, you have also been exposed to be a dishonest fellow.

Regardless, I will counter your trashy points ..

@ First point.

If we apply your logic

Why didn't the Yoruba language loose relevance in Lagos as non Yoruba come into Lagos.

Or wasn't everywhere in Ilorin named with Hausa Language?

There is no place in the world that looses the original Language to foreign language. It is actually the other way around, The people coming in will learn the Language of the host to survive.

2) Those are not kings of igbomina or Ekitis but traditional title holders in Ilorin Emirate. Ilorin Emirate is not Kwara state for example osi meáns left hand man in Yoruba land. You don't understand transition institutions in Yoruba land.

3) I don't know anything about Ajani in Oyo history and as 1920 you initially referenced, Niger royal company already had an out post in Ilorin

And Ilorin Emirate is mainly Ilorin and its environments..

They didn't select kings for the Ekitis or igbomina

Nairaland bans people irregularly sometimes. If u have been here long enough, u will know this.

I did not violate any of Nairaland's rules and that is why they lift the ban whenever I emailed them.

** You don't know about Ajami in Oyo empire? Is your ignorance now my fault? Mtcheew.

https://mobile.facebook.com/okehotown/posts/139773509495913?_rdc=1&_rdr

https://www.academia.edu/38302633/New_Knowledge_Old_medium_the_Yoruba_ajami_of_southwestern_Nigeria_in_the_Factory_of_Learning_

** My problem with you is that you don't even know how to use analogies. Why will u be comparing influx of outsiders into Lagos with influx of Yorubas into Ilorin?

First of all, Ilorin was already Yorubaland and there were Yoruba speakers there in spite of the Hausa fulani speakers! So it was a multilingual and multi-ethnic town at that time.

2ndly, 90% of subsequent immigrants into Ilorin were Yoruba speakers! The rest were Nupes & Baribas and not even Hausa fulanis.

Had it been there was an equal immigration of Hausa speakers into Ilorin, Hausa language wouldn't have died in Ilorin.

In the case of Lagos, Yoruba immigrants match the numbers of Non-Yorubas, hence this helped to reinforce Yoruba language. Also, the non-yoruba immigrants into Lagos are of diverse ethnic groups and not one ethnic group.
Can't you see that Yoruba language is not dominant in places like Surulere, Festac e.t.c?


I had to rezoom those Ilorin screenshot for you for the last paragraph of the 3rd screenshot that emphasized on Igbomina & Ekiti traditional rulers being appointed by the Emir of Ilorin.

I repeat go and wear your reading glasses!

Iamgrey5:
Emotional Bull crap.

I will give you an assignment today.

in the history of Nigeria, who has worked most for the interest of Hausa/Fulani more than the igbos in Nigeria?

Even in the last election, igbos queue behind a Fulani Muslim in Atiku.

Benue with a large percentage of Christians and an integral part of your utopian middle belt republic gave Buhari their votes in 2015 and gave him over 35% in 2019 despite the large killings going in there

Listen! Yorubas don't need your goodwill to survive in Nigeria, your region is the least most important to the destiny of the Yorubas in Nigeria.

It is even an insult for you to put mouth in the affairs of the Yoruba people.

Yes, Igbos kind of partnered with the Hausa fulanis in the past. But even my own people did that too.

But what I like about Igbos is that they are not ashamed of calling out their people who they feel did wrong. Many Igbo youths of today do not respect Zik or his past actions. Heck, they even slander most of their past leaders for their deeds.
Igbos do not hide or protect evil for Tribalism unlike u Yorubas.

Igbos & Northern christians queued behind Atiku because he was the lesser evil of 2 evils.

Atiku is just too liberal to be a Fulani man. Maybe because he is from Adamawa Sha and he grew up being surrounded by Christians & Muslims of different ethnic groups. Unlike Buhari from core northern Islamic Katsina.


As for Benue people voting Buhari in 2015, yes it happened! And the Tivs were the ones responsible for this. Why?
The Tivs were jealous of the Idomas who had the Senate Presidency and a stronger influence under GEJ. So, they thought that supporting Buhari will get them Senate Presidency, rather they got massacres.

That action of Tivs forever helped me confirm my previous thoughts that we from Plateau, Southern Kaduna, Nasarawa & Gongola cannot really be one with Benue & Kogi people. Irrespective of religion. These people are the same with you Southerners who are very very selfish and will never mind to ditch/jeorpadize everybody else progress for personal gains.

Sebi you know Boss Mustapha & Babacir David Lawal? (secretaries to the Federation). Both of them are Kilba Christians from Adamawa.
Kilba people have been heavily favoured by Buhari's government, but Buhari still lost in their LGA. Most Kilba and Adamawa Christians at large still hate and dislike Buhari (Atiku notwithstanding).
That is how we Northern christians roll. We will not sell each other because of selfishness. However, Tivs, Idomas & Igalas are not like this.

This is the reason why I do not rep Benue people! They are not part of our movement. We will only work with them as neighbors same way we work with Igbos to leave this useless country. Thank you.

Iamgrey5:
So what exactly is your point?

He said all Yoruba states outside lagos are doing better than Plateau and you came up with your usual Hausa Fulani/Muslim narrative in order to reduce your population by at least a million as usual.

Although I must state that the population of Jos is 800,000k+ according to Nigerian 2006 population census which we are currently using as point of reference, So I don't know how you got over 1 million non indigen Platuea people living in Jos.

Nonetheless, he countered you with the fact that even states with lower population than Platuea according to the census are doing better than Platuea.


So inspite of your usual allocation of huge population to Hausa Fulani/Muslims and Non Plateau indigen when it suites your narrative, your state is still doing poorly

Hope you understand !

The 2006 Nigerian census was very useless and besides Bukuru and other towns like Vom, Kuru, Zawan, Kwang e.t.c were not counted as part of Jos.

Jos urban area is currently around 330km². About same size with Benin. How on Earth do u expect an urban area with such Landmass to be 800k people?

Plateau indignes cannot be more than half of the population of Jos.

See, I know my state and people back and front. I cannot be deliberately reducing the population of my people for any flimsy reason.
The only Southern states I know my state can have more Indigenes compared to are Ekiti, Lagos, Bayelsa, Ebonyi & Cross River.
Check these states and compare their figures to my states.
Can't u see the way Benue & Kogi states are higher? It's cos of the Indigenous population they have.

If you think my people are so much illiterate, ask yourself why Kaduna state usually has the highest figures in the north!
Is Kaduna more populated than Kano? Hell no. Do more people claim indigeneship of Kaduna than Kano? No!
It is because of Southern Kaduna people. They make up half of the Indigenes of Kaduna state and they are as much as we Plateau people in numbers. Then you also have Zaria figures too.

Had it been Zaria (Hausa fulani people) were as educated as my people, Kaduna state should be dragging figures with Imo, Oyo e.t.c cos Kaduna state has the highest TRUE POPULATION of Indigenes in the North.
Kano officially has the highest but like half of those who claim to be from Kano are not originally from Kano.

Iamgrey5:
@Nowenuse

So now that you have been defeated on the Jos vs Ibadan front, you have simply shifted goal post to something you are more comfortable with.

Ok here we go


1) It was said that Ilorin urban had 2k people as that time and the majority of ethnicities listed there were Non-Yorubas.

2) Yoruba language was used for Junior education while Hausa language for advanced education in Ilorin

3) All the traditional rulers from the Igbominas, Igbolos & Ekiti speakers were appointed and confirmed by the Emir. So, not just Ilorin but the whole of Kwara was under the direct rulership of the Emirate.

@ your first point

The argument you made that other tribes had to learn Yoruba in other to survive in Ilorin emirate counters your first point.

Shouldn't it have been the other way around, considering the non Yorubas were more than the Yorubas at that point

In addition, the writer of the article you referenced at no point stated that the numbers of non Yorubas in Ilorin were more than Yorubas in Ilorin.

@ your second point,

There was never a point in the article that the writer claimed that the kings of the igbomina and Ekitis were appointed by the Emir

Don't forget Ilorin emirare is not Kwara state


@ your third point counters your first point as well. Ilorin was incorporated into northern Nigeria in 1900 and education started in 1920.

In most parts of northern Nigeria, Hausa was used as a means of communication in education.

Hausa was used to teach senior officers who were the officers of the Emirates, while the Yoruba language was used for majority of the population who were peasant as at the time.


And once again! please take note that Ilorin emirate is not Kwara state

Even majority of Kogi state today were originally part of Kwara state.

Who told u that I have conceded defeat in the Ibadan vs Jos topic? I was banned twice today and I have up to 10 Yorubas here and other threads on nairaland which I have to reply to equally. So just chill and enjoy the fun

Now ur points.

1) Hausa language started loosing ground in Ilorin decades later with the increased immigration of Yorubas from other parts of Ilorin province to Ilorin town. Assimilation takes time, it doesn't just happen.
Ilorin town is surrounded by Yoruba speaking settlements, there was no way Hausa or Fulfude language would displace Yoruba language.


2) Please go and put on your reading glasses and read the last paragraph of the 3rd screenshots very well.
Can't u see where Ajasse, Omu, Osi & Isanlu were mentioned and their tribal chiefs who served as district heads being appointed by the Emirs?
Or do u just want to be deliberately mischievous?

3) The education being talked about in Ilorin as at that time was not Western education. It was most likely AJAMI education. Both Yorubas (Oyos) and Hausas all used Ajami education in the pre-colonial era.

Of course, Ilorin Emirate (Kwara central) is not Kwara state, however, Ilorin controlled majority of present day Kwara state after the conquest.