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Hi:

Sorry I couldn't reply immediately after you called.

You said your most important question is generator type: - Diesel is ideal. Take a look at the dataplate on your average petrol generator and you'll see they have high RPMs i.e. they move real fast. Diesel is more steady and varies between 1200 and 1800RPM whist Petrol will do 5100 on some models. Starting a high capacity motor like those found in compressors is like jump-starting a car. The effect (JERK BACKWARD) will be felt more on the higher speed generator. In effect, your petrol generator engine pistons will not last long used with compressors. Another allegory is cars versus trucks. Cars are light-weight and suited to petrol whist for heavier duty vehicles, diesel is preferred. European/American Diesel machines are much stronger than Asian models. However, they cost an arm and a leg.

Both Window and Split a/cs use the same type of compressors. Its the capacities that differ. A single phase compressor could be 1, 1 and half, 2, 2 and half or 3 Horsepower. Then there are the three phase which range from 3HP to 20, 000HP on Ship refridgerators (I'd like to see one of those one day!!!).
Its almost impossible to tell you how to know a compressors size as different makes have different nomenclatures for capacity. Copeland, Gibson and Carrier are just three popular names in the industry yet use different ways to show compressor size.

The most important issue is the design of the system. Some designs have inherent problems which impact negatively. Other machines utilize the cheapest of the cheap "parts". Buy cheap, pay twice then becomes "pay everyday" since you lose capacity daily plus have repeated break-downs. After design come shade and ventilation, high humidity (wet humid air speeds up refridgeration), good quality electricity (a machine will do better at 240Volts than at 212Volts), etc.

What do you mean by 1/2 Compressor fridge for a 12 hour period? I use NEPA/Diesel so I can't be precise about petrol anyway! Plus to answer your question, I'd need to know the HP and type of compressor, size of condenser and the quantity of water you're trying to freeze. Also, size (HP/KW/KVA) of generator and an idea of your ambient temp would help. Still, It'd just be an informed guess I'm giving.

Hope this helped somewhat. Cheers

Please check your webmail. I wrote from your site.

Oga Inspired:

you know wetin you do? I go tell you!

You collect Tuesday from us give us Saturday! If to say na Wednesday or thursday you bring, person go run but this one you do ehn, na DIE!

No worry! Na message you send us -- we go go find work come buy all this your suprises. Just slow down make e no be say na helicopter person go come buy.

I doff my cap, ,

What year range for the Pathfinder do these keys cover? And how long does it take to implement/build the keys?

Could you please send pictures and a spec sheet of the Mazda Truck to kubae@yahoo.com. Any other info about it would also be appreciated

Ever tried putting an A/C condenser indoors? Please try it.

And these machines produce much more heat. Within half an hour, your "indoor" temp will exceed 105F and keep rising. And if you were thinking of the "split type" design, youre back to square one. Its the condensing unit (which would be outdoor in that case) that mainly reacts to the environment cos you're passing your heat thru it to the surroundings

KUNLE_A:

I just took another look at the pics you posted. Open them with Microsoft Picture Editor and magnify them [1]. They use propylene glycol (chemical based) [2] It says "THESE MODELS ARE DESIGNED FOR USE WHEN TEMPERATURE AND HUMIDITY ARE MAINTAINED AT 75 DEGREES AND 55 R.H. RESPECTIVELY. You will find both these legends beside the picture of the "OPTIONAL HARVEST TANK" in the third picture.

You tell me, brother, how you intend to keep Naijas temp at 75 Fahrenheit when average is over 95 Fahrenheit? Do you even know how to read talkless maintain humidity? Here's another indication that some of us are honest and are not looking to fool anyone. The environment and conditions matter!. Please always read the FINE PRINT.

Again, in the 2nd, it says you'll get harvests "UP TO EVERY 12 HOURS". I believe that means you could but again, may not.

I guess I've bored everyone (including myself) enough. I rest my case.

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Give me half an hour b4 calling. I've been typing whist having a discussion with a coupla friends. Sorry for the delay but Id prefer not to have divided attention

Pdozie openly sent me a file that all of us have access to where a 500 block per 6 - 8 hour machine is advertised. There are also models that do same in 24 hours. My understanding and the laws of physics etc inform that compressors of certain capabilities will overload when there is too much water loaded.

Thats what I referred to.

Please note again: its to protect the integrity of this business and enable you ask informed questions that I write these things. Im not bothered about other people getting work (as long as thier activities do not make me look like a liar/thief/fraudster when I drive past). Sun is big enough to shine on us all.

Please note: Any 3 phase machine in this country has to look towards self generated power as primary source of power. The indice is approx: 6:1 opposed to PHCN. For 1 Naira paid to Nepa, you spend 6 Naira on Diesel. That excludes maintenance costs.

Pdozie:

As promised, I have sent you mail.

People:

Assume I am not selling machines but remain just a machine user. Ask anything about the biz and I will provide succint answers. Look at KUNLE_A's advertised machines and ask why "oyibo" man is saying the bigger produces 41 6.3 liter blocks (i.e 258.3 liters in 12 hours) rather than 500 in 24 hours (i.e 250 in 12). Truth cant be hidden for long. Condensing units have capabilities.

And we all (90%) use single phase compressors which cant exceed 2 X 3hp compressors

Muchos Gracias! Danke!. Nagode! E seun!

PDOZIE: I'll read the attached documents and send you comments privately.

vis the issue of warfare: My grouse with other manufacturers (and friends) in this business is the type of practices used. And I'm not afraid to say so openly, I'm in the ice town of Nigeria and know most all whats happening in the business. They make the noisy adverts all over and get the clients. 3 months later, a guy comes up to ME and wants me to prove my machine won't do the same, atimes by giving them the machine "free" for a trial period after which they'll then pay. I have heard tummy-turning testimonies. I have a client who when she first came sat from morning when we loaded till evening when we offloaded. A MAJOR manufacturer had sold her 2 machines that froze after 72 hours.

I wrote this earlier - You go into a place and ask about machines. You're handed a color brochure from which you read a particular model that fits your budget freezes 200 blocks (size?) in 16 hours and carries 2 condensing units. Rarely do you get a techie who will intelligently answer your queries and when you do, he's brusque, hurried and starts dropping names of "big" people who bought. You succumb to pressure and buy but it doesn't perform in 16 hours. On inspection, you are told your power quality (or AMPERAGE as they like to call it) cannot power it so the compressors keep dropping and restarting and thus it hadnt worked 16 hours straight. Whats the way forward? You need to change the compressor to a smaller one or buy a 35KV generator (that uses 8 liters hourly) to power a machine that'll produce 4K worth of ice after "16" hours. Ok, no contest - change the compressor! But theres a catch - the lower rated compressor doesn't have the power of the old one and so your machine now freezes in 30 hours! Why didnt they just put the small (NEPA capable) one in the 1st place since we know NEPA can't handle the big ones ALWAYS. I have met dozens of people who have had this experience who are amazed when they see me use ordinary 2HP compressors rather the 2.5 and even 3HP mainly used around. Scam! Many retired people are suffering cos of such practices. There are many more of such stories and ways.

This is almost exactly what happened to me. I hold a Bachelors in Computer Science from the University of Ibadan and when I invested in this business as a machine BUYER, I know the websites, radio announcements etc I listened to. I also saw the beauty and packaging. I went deeper than I could afford (alaseju baba asete) only to find I was in real deep "shit". I couldnt come out (stuck with a machine that earned me 400 Naira every three days after spending close to a mill then) and thus searched the web for answers.

Could these machines work? What was the problem? , . , I met a 61 (then) yr old refrigeration engineer from the US who found me and the idea funny and decided to teach me, I still have the refrigeration guages HE USED to learn the trade 41 years ago (he sent them to me later). I also learnt from my earlier copious investment that I didnt want a lovely machine. I just wanted to make oodles of cash, whether from a brick-wall or from Miss Universe. I've never been afraid of hard work so I learnt how to weld and rebuilt an ugly yet easy to fix money maker. Quite a number of people agree with me as evidenced by the number of machines I build nowadays. So this forum is not about seeking for paying clients. If they come, ok, but let people know the truth about this thing. I'm part of it now and don't want insults or to be told "thats what all of you say".

[1] Its bloody hard work
[2] Its messy
[3] Good machines are not easy to come by
[4] PHCN or no, you can make money from it though you may have to invest quite a bit more than you initially thought

By the way, all true honest profitable work is hard work. I have my degree, still write software in collaboration with professional colleagues atimes, have a fish farming business and some other investments, have a verbose ICE-BLOCK machine user manual that I designed yet have refused to create a website simply because I prefer direct one on one contact. I don't care if you want 40 Machines or only signed 9 digit checks, you ought to come see how I do it. Then, you have a physical REAL (not online) guide and cant say you didn't get the idea then. No masking cos I REMEMBER WHAT THEY DID TO ME!!!. Why do same to another? And the idea I use four of these daily tell a story. I know my machines.

So make una no vex O at my intransigence and refusal to negotiate. I refuse to see someone trying to do well and invest as a victim "to gbori wa"

My brother, you need fear no bomb threats or implementation - Nuclear devices are utilized for large targets!

I have earlier said I stand to be corrected and every statement I made has been in good faith. Lets wait to hear from your friend. As to the list of names you mentioned who make machines, I've heard of some but my preserve is for serious ones. People who can defend thier machines. Dozens of builders also abound in Oke-Bola. How many of them use the machines they make and what practical experience do they then have? Reactions to power fluctuations? To Rain or scorching heat? nighttime or daytime runs? to low current and power surges?Can they compute thier power requirements? Understand the effect and difference when powered via a generator? Bah!, those are black-box solutions neither understood by builders or users.

Now on the use of compressors - I provide an informed option - All of us know that power was the watchword in the past whist today, its efficiency. Almost every compressor made today has aluminium winding for its motor whist in the past, motors were exclusively made of copper. Put both together in the same machine and the older copper compressor will outlast an aluminium make. That said, these things are the exclusive choice of the owner (whichever they choose) - I have said over and over that I provide a 6 month guarantee on my machines but that WILL NOT extend to an aluminium cast motor. Thats how sure I am and is the reason why your Radio-savvy manufacturers are going off the air now.

Again people, the problem here is Naijaism. Most people will choose looks, name-dropping and finery over build quality and practicality. I have multiple clients running solely on generators so the "3 hour supply in 48 hours" means nothing to me except extra profit (when there's no light, you sell higher). My machines are not "12 hour" on paper machines. Which reminds me - let me bore all with a story of a trick

You go into a place and ask about machines. You're handed a color brochure from which you read a particular model that fits your budget freezes 200 blocks (size?) in 16 hours and carries 2 condensing units. Rarely do you get a techie who will intelligently answer your queries and when you do, he's brusque, hurried and starts dropping names of "big" people who bought. You succumb to pressure and buy but it doesn't perform in 16 hours. On inspection, you are told your power quality (or AMPERAGE as they like to call it) cannot power it so the compressors keep dropping and restarting and thus it hadnt worked 16 hours straight. Whats the way forward? You need to change the compressor to a smaller one. Ok! But theres a catch - the lower rated compressor doesn't have the power of the old one and so your machine now freezes in 30 hours! Why didnt they just put the small (NEPA capable) one in the 1st place since we know NEPA can't handle the big ones ALWAYS. I have met dozens of people who have had this experience who are amazed when they see me use ordinary 2HP compressors rather the 2.5 and even 3HP mainly used around. Scam! Many retired people are suffering cos of such practices. And we say Naija get as e be.

So you see my brother, nuclearboy won't unleash mayhem. Your typing is doing the work for him already

My brother, you need fear no bomb threats or implementation - Nuclear devices are utilized for large targets!

I have earlier said I stand to be corrected and every statement I made has been in good faith. Lets wait to hear from your friend. As to the list of names you mentioned who make machines, I've heard of some but my preserve is for serious ones. People who can defend thier machines. Dozens of builders also abound in Oke-Bola. How many of them use the machines they make and what practical experience do they then have? Reactions to power fluctuations? To Rain or scorching heat? nighttime or daytime runs? to low current and power surges?Can they compute thier power requirements? Understand the effect and difference when powered via a generator? Bah!, those are black-box solutions neither understood by builders or users.

Now on the use of compressors - I provide an informed option - All of us know that power was the watchword in the past whist today, its efficiency. Almost every compressor made today has aluminium winding for its motor whist in the past, motors were exclusively made of copper. Put both together in the same machine and the older copper compressor will outlast an aluminium make. That said, these things are the exclusive choice of the owner (whichever they choose) - I have said over and over that I provide a 6 month guarantee on my machines but that WILL NOT extend to an aluminium cast motor. Thats how sure I am and is the reason why your Radio-savvy manufacturers are going off the air now.

Again people, the problem here is Naijaism. Most people will choose looks, name-dropping and finery over build quality and practicality. I have multiple clients running solely on generators so the "3 hour supply in 48 hours" means nothing to me except extra profit (when there's no light, you sell higher). My machines are not "12 hour" on paper machines. Which reminds me - let me bore all with a story of a trick

You go into a place and ask about machines. You're handed a color brochure from which you read a particular model that fits your budget freezes 200 blocks (size?) in 16 hours and carries 2 condensing units. Rarely do you get a techie who will intelligently answer your queries and when you do, he's brusque, hurried and starts dropping names of "big" people who bought. You succumb to pressure and buy but it doesn't perform in 16 hours. On inspection, you are told your power quality (or AMPERAGE as they like to call it) cannot power it so the compressors keep dropping and restarting and thus it hadnt worked 16 hours straight. Whats the way forward? You need to change the compressor to a smaller one. Ok! But theres a catch - the lower rated compressor doesn't have the power of the old one and so your machine now freezes in 30 hours! Why didnt they just put the small (NEPA capable) one in the 1st place since we know NEPA can't handle the big ones ALWAYS. I have met dozens of people who have had this experience who are amazed when they see me use ordinary 2HP compressors rather the 2.5 and even 3HP mainly used around. Scam! Many retired people are suffering cos of such practices. And we say Naija get as e be.

So you see my brother, nuclearboy won't unleash mayhem. Your typing is doing the work for him already

Each piece is approx 3.5 Liters. Thats almost the quantity that'll fill a paint can. But you can adjust the water you put in each wrapper. You can also ask an extruder to make a specific size of cellophane for you. You asked about ice in Ibadan - thats a way you can get fooled easily. Suppose I say I've today sold 411 at 60 apiece yet still have quite a lot? That could be true yet a lie. A lie because no two days are the same. Also, when it rains, demand (and price) falls. And in February, I'd readily hit a car stressing me on the way cos I can "bloody" well afford to fix his car and arse too.

Atimes, its poor and others, its good. Thats the truth. Also, who is your target market? resellers who'll finish your stock by 7AM but pay cheap (we reduce price for these since they resell)? Hotels/Bars/Clubs/Party-makers who will pay a premium but won't come daily and may ask you provide transportation to them? Or the local woman beside your "mallam" who sells pure water and soft drinks? A combination? What proportion of each? Does that proportion stay fixed or is it dynamic? As I said earlier people, theorists abound! I'm not one of them.

I'm a realist and a business person whos learnt that thugs fighting at a garage someplace in town can stop your clients from coming in. So can the rudeness of one of your employees cause some to keep away. Whist a "politicians" party can drop a 70K bonus in one day into your lap.

But in the dry season with 4 machines running 24 hours (2 loads each daily) in Lagos, you better have self discipline or you might decide to kill someone and pay for his life before you realise you cant buy humans no more. In retrospect though, fatigue may have taken away the will to drive cos this work hard small O. Its very physically tasking.

I know what I know but refuse to say one persons machines are better. You decide for yourself

I speak from my own experience but most foreign machines make either ice-cubes or slabs of ice. These do not have much depth and thus revert to water relatively fast. One thing must be at the back of our minds - power supply is the main reason these machines have issues. Fixing foreign complex machines is usually a matter of trial and error. Again, I stand to be corrected.

Someone has asked for photos. Here they are: - please note they were not taken by a professional and so are not too clear except for one which was taken 3 years ago by a photographer at my request. I have tried to show the size of the operation but my lens seems unable to handle the standing size. Please forgive any blurs.

The following should clarify my point to you:

NOTE: Heat/Cooling computations follow the british standard of Fahrenheit rather than the USA Celsius so all figures are first converted to the British. i.e BTU (British Thermal Unit), Lbs (pounds rather than liters) etc.

NOW:

Your machine sees the water you put in it and anything else inside the tank as a “HEAT LOAD”. Let us assume you put 120 litres of water, which is at 72 Fahrenheit in it. This calculation will help you understand the process. Please note that some figures are not realistic but are approximations to make the calculations easier and that some “heat load” components are not treated here.
120 litres = 120 * 2.2 = 264 lbs (pounds) of water
1 British thermal Unit (BTU) is the quantity of heat required to reduce the temperature of 1 pound of water by 1 Fahrenheit; therefore to reduce 120 litres (264 pounds) from 72 Fahrenheit to 32Fahrenheit (= 0 Celsius or FREEZING POINT), you will need
264 * 40 = 10560 BTU
At this point, your water is ready to start changing to ice. 144 BTU is required to change 1 pound of water at 0 F to ICE at 0 F. NOTE that the temperature is not changing, just the state
264 * 144 = 38016 BTU
Now you have ice and want it brick hard, say –10Fahrenheit, which requires another 1 BTU per pound per Fahrenheit drop
264 * 10 = 2640 BTU
Your total heat load therefore, is

10560 + 38016 + 1584 = 51216 BTU

LETS Assume you now put 140 litres starting at 40Fahrenheit, you’d have
140 litres =140*2.2= 308 lbs
308 * 8 = 2464 BTU
308*144 = 44352 BTU
308* 10 = 3080 BTU
Total = 2464 + 44352 + 3080 = 49896 BTU.

You put in more water but it froze faster and put less stress on your condensing units. The change in water quantity actually happens much more frequently than you might expect. I have 4 employees who load my own machines and I have learnt that there is one particualr guy who has the propensity to make what I expect to be 3.5 liter packs 4.1 liters on average. Do the math. Also, ambient temps vary from morning.to afternoon to evening. You may use a load starting from 80 F in early afternoon and another starting from 64 in the late evening. Again, do the math. Finally, the issue of the ambient itself as it impacts on your production:- Refrigeration is the process of transferring heat FROM A COLD PLACE TO A HOT PLACE. The interior of your tank is at say, -10 Celsius yet you are removing heat from it and sending to the outside which is at 41 Celsius. Do not be fooled - the hotter it is outside, the more difficult NATURE ITSELF makes your process. For this reason, any chap worth his salt will tell you to choose your location wisely. As I said in an earlier post, your car A/C will cool faster in evening rain than a hot afternoon. As long as your process is not fully automated, the human/environmental factors will impact from run to run. Same with power as the condensing units draw more power when youre just starting compared to say, 3 hours into your run when your water is well on its way to freezing. Don't let theoretists confuse you!

I would hope you're Nigerian. Why would you want to think we cannot go as far as "oyibo" man? We actually do though somewhat limited by availability of some components which would add value. I build my machines myself, have 4 of mine (oldest about 4 years old, newest 1 and few months) and have built in the range of a hundred fifty for clients. I sell ice EVERYDAY. I also am quite well educated (maybe better than most of your foreign technicians as the average techie ANYWHERE rarely has a B.S). And whist my machines may not be as good looking as something built by million Dollar machines in Germany or the US, they perform thier functions cheaply, reliable and to a standard that pleases my clients.

Posting here is fine by me. Allows me answers questions once rather than cut and paste via email over and over.

Here's why we say Naijas are cunning and dishonest.

Further to my earlier post, I took the liberty of AGAIN going thru posts by people advertising machines. Strange how many become experts on what they do not know and remain absolutely ignorant. A 15KV as at today would cost about 170K rather than the 280 I see quoted. That is assuming you're not planning to purchase a German/UK/US built gen which would cost over a mill.

Also, no true manufacturer will give you a benchmark figure for freezing time -- Machines freeze faster in cold weather (rains, night etc) than in hot dry weather. Siting your machine inside a shaded airy place would also speed up your process. Its comparable to your car A/C which cools faster in the rain than February heat on 3rd Mainland bridge. 10 hours etc is a farce. The same 10 hour process can come to 8 hours or extend to 18 hours if you site inside a container in the sun.

But if you disagree, please present your case without the ambiguities and procrastination and let us learn

builders of these machines (like other items) have relatives, friends etc. These would wish you patronise their uncles/sponsors etc. Like you, I contacted the poster who wants you to contact him first. I asked for his manufacturers number/address. His response (via email AGAIN) was that he'd get back to me in a couple of days: Standard issue response when you're trying to impress without having the capability to do so. I asked because I think I know practically every true builder in Ibadan and their capability and am not aware of anyone boasting his specs and price.

58, state hospital road, off ring road, Ibadan (08033272767/07055530420 email:nlbomb@gmail.com). Visit at your convenience. Not only will you see machines being built but also ice being frozen/sold. And Ice machine prices are not hard-coded. They vary according to market forces but you're looking at about 300K (installation included)

Ice block machines You're looking at about 300K for a machine. 48/72 blocks! 12 hours approx! 6 month guarantee on the machine(s). Want more info?? Write nlbomb@gmail.com or call 08033272767/08169372275

MODIFIED 15 Mar 2015 to reflect change of 2nd number

One absolutely sharp person asked (in the Bible) who would go to war or build a house without first counting the cost so that he wouldn't get to a point and be unable to continue.

Naija is tough only for those who don't have the solution in them, either due to fear or ignorance. Let me explain -- Take any business and imagine that you have a national market of 140 Million people. What proportion of that do you need to do well? When I started my ice-block biz (building machines AND ALSO selling ice a few years ago), I made up my mind to [1] produce the most efficient dependable machines around. I applied my university degree into a field populated mainly by semi-literate technicians and not only caught up with them but left them behind eons ago. They build beautiful useless furniture because people are visually affected. I build ugly machines which remind you to get to work and make money. [2] produce the hardest, coldest ice around. Same thing. All I need now is a quarter to half the time they need to get ice whose quality many find difficult to believe.

The truth is that such takes a lot: absolute dedication, bloody hard work and 100% deafness and dumbness. I remember people would laugh at this Computer Science degree holder cos he was wet, dirty and even learning (then) how to weld. No longer do they snigger. Rather, many gape when they observe whats on ground. It took 2 and a half years but lets remember William (Bill) Gates was once considered a dropout (I can't remember anyone using that as a title for him anymore). Naijas will make fun of you at the start then praise you at the end. From "Lazy idiot -is that what his mates are doing, . . . . TO I KNEW THE GUY IS BRILLIANT AND THAT HE HAD A PLAN ALL ALONG". 1 percent of 1 percent of Nigerians each giving any of us 10 Naira daily adds up to a reasonable measure of comfort which scarcely any can boast of. Plus its all on your own time! You decide when, how and where. And have a right to continue expanding till you become Dangote or go easy.

A day will come when someone (or group of such) will look at Lagos, ask the govt to allow them build a 6 lane bridge from Isolo to Lekki and erect toll gates to collect toll for 20 years. I suspect Lagos will agree. Another will Build a power station for himself then start to sell and expand till he/she generates and sells say 1, 000 MVA. Others will see and follow suit and thus will Naija develop.

Waiting for the government is a waste of time. America was built to todays standards by private enterprise. Thats why you'll find dozens of types of bread on supermart shelves - because of competition each striving for a target audience/market share. Here, its just Agege bread.

Conquer yourselves and then the environment - The same book that asked my question above also tells us we were given the right to GO, SUBDUE THE EARTH AND ETC ETC ETC,

Chair,

when you say SE model, could you please specify if its SE offroad (with Hill start Assist/Adjustable pedals etc) or SE with entertainment package etc (Bose system with 6 speakers etc) or regular SE with none of the above (Single Disc player). Are they 4 by 4 or 2 by 4 with just VDO? So please lets know what exactly we are pricing unlike the "ogas" that just say "full specs" abi na "fully loaded"?

Also, please can we cut out the endless haggling and hope of maybe it will go for so and so and just tell us what is the price you are going down to LAST?

Can we have pictures and the VIN report?

Meanwhile, you get better name O. Keep up the good work, , ,

If you still more info about the ice business, write icepond69@gmail.com. I'm quite big in the business and in more ways than one too

2005 (or newer) please. Please look at my budget again. I'm not offering that for a relic

Are your products still available? Can you send a catalogue or price list to icepond69@gmail.com Thank you

05 or newer PathFinder LE or SE offroad models. Under 60K Miles and no accident history

IF you give it to me free, twould be nice ( ) but my budget is 2.5M

Talk to me, Bro

The following is an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid term test.

The answer by one student was so 'profound' that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well :

Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant.


One student, however, wrote the following:

First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today.

Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities:

1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.

2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.

So which is it?

If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, 'It will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you,' and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number two must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore, extinct, leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting 'Oh my God, I'm coming'


THIS STUDENT RECEIVED AN A+.

@ Adura_Ngba

Hoe - Cutlass,
thiefofhearts - Thief

You're hilarious and just what the Doc ordered, , ,

You go marry me?

@ Igbobeauty

TELL HIM OFF. SUCH THINGS NEVER END WELL. AS TIMES GOES ON, HE'LL RATIONALIZE TO HIMSELF THAT A WOMAN'S NO MEANS YES AND MAYBE YOU JUST WANT HIM TO "TAKE CONTROL" - ENTER KIDNAP ETC. STOP IT NOW RATHERT THAN ALLOWING IT FESTER

and then we come to the big one -- COST! What would this cost and how is it powered? What I mean is, well, we know we need to recharge our phones. Does this equipment depend on the car's batteries or does it have its own? What happens if the car battery is disconnected? Obviously, concealment will make it undetectable but is there any way it can be disabled through power-off?

But my most important question is whats the COST? How can one get to see a demo or contact you for an installation?

Thanks again for the VIN check. Look forward to doing biz with you

Bros,

how does the security system work i.e. what equipment, range etc. Do we pay a subscription (annual/other) or is it an outright sale and whats the cost or are there options that'll determine cost? what are these if applicable? Since it seems you're not into giving details here, please send info to icepond69@gmail.com. Thank you