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BTW, I remember speaking to an Ifa priest years back. The conversation came around to Jesus whereupon he said even the oracle mentions Him. I laughed and then he recited

Yoruba English
Ela si dide ni orun                                                                                 The Deliverer rose in Heaven
o ni o'un lo si aiye                                                                                  and said He was going to the world
won si bere pe, "Oluwa" ki ni e fe lo se                                                and they asked saying "Lord", what are you going to do there?
O si wipe, oun ma lo di omo ninu wundia                                              and He said He would go and become a child in a virgin
o'un osi ko won, o'un o si gbe eniti o ba gbagbo ninu oun ga              and teach them and would raise up those who believe in Him

But he then said they see him in the same context as Shango, Obatala etc

I'm laughing my arse off using Ifa Oracle as a case for Christianity but I laughed even more that day thinking that truly, God leaves no room for doubt. It was a wake up call to me. Every religion has a reference to the Carpenter God. Funny that Ifa uses the same language as Bible and Koran. "Deliverer"? Those in Heaven called Him "LORD"? Truth leaves no room, my guy.

PS: My written Yoruba is not perfect so any mistakes above are mine. But even if I forget parts of the Bible I shouldn't, I will never forget the above quote which he had to recite over and over cos my senses overloaded

@the_seeker:

YOU are asking ME to think?? Strange since you have been taught something and REFUSE to think about it. What you're doing is forcing yourself to stick to that by forcing "errors" into other ideologies to self-justify. Maybe you should use the same criteria on yourself!

The beauty of true "Christianity" is that it is personal and doesn't allow any pre-decided idea(s) of who/what/how God is! Not what parents/society/peer pressure suggests. You will find that most real Believers fought a war within themselves before they believed and that is why its called "surrendering to God" or becoming "born-again". Wasn't easy, guy! We had to deal with what you are closing your mind to. And each thus has a different maturity/understanding level. That is supported by the Scriptures! So when you say each has his own understanding, Yes, that is right. Its not like memorizing something and just repeating it non-stop. Here, I need my mind and will to do whatever and it is personal

That is the beauty of free-will coupled with reason. I follow a creed that says "question everything". EVERYTHING! And it took time to reason out why I am my "word", why free-will sent Adam out and brings us in and that it makes sense to follow a God that is not proud, that is not distant, that cares enough to show His Love and whose worst "crime" was that He was Holy. And, He is the true God is why its only Him that everyone cares enough to study and fight against. Haba, on this forum, there are non-Christians who have read the Bible more than us its owners

I have lofty things to look up to, to try to achieve. Interesting that no religion claims evil "in any form" of Jesus. In fact, everyone tries to associate with Him. Compare that to the alternatives where everyone tries to force this "Crying Carpenter Son the Son etc" to be associated to them. Funny, ehn? Especially when Christianity ignores these alternatives since they don't matter to it.

You insist on using the word "Triune". It is NOT 3 GODS but 1 GOD showing Himself in 3 ways. My example was [1] a letter [2] a telephone call [3] a physical visit. If I can do that, well?

The Word for God in Genesis is plural! Have you forgotten Isaiah spoke of "Emmanuel [God with/amongst us] called the Saviour, Mighty God etc". Have you not neglected David's psalm where he said "The Lord said unto my Lord"? You selectively read the Bible looking for errors forgetting that what we say is that it was written by MEN but inspired by God. Each man used his own literature but 40 authors put together a book that has the SAME MESSAGE. Not coming together to make it "ONE" as other religions do, only proves that this is a personal issue wherein each finds his own way to the same truth and grow, aided by the Spirit of God and of course, fought every step of the way by religion, the lack of religion, satan, peer pressure etc. And of course, the wise men of NL

@the_seeker:

I sincerely believe most muslims believe what they say and have been brought up to detest Christianity. because they feel God is being insulted. Is it not funny however, that both in the Bible and Koran, it is people who have a false belief who feel compelled to defend their "GOD"? And bullies usually are wrong which is why they shout loudest believing noise to counter truth? Think about it.

ANUS? "another trick question" meant to offend and ridicule, abi? And then the avenue for name-calling is opened and the uncultured can be called in to start slinging insults at the different "GODs". Don't play games here. All these "lets win using a trick" questions have no place in a conversation between people who are sincere. Funnily enough, the desire to turn every thread into a name and insult slinging doesn't help your case for a "supreme position" God who is above many things.

The God you claim all these "macho Oga patapata" attributes for has many things to prove. Listening and seeing all the insults we send in his direction in this Forum should have caused him to kill/maim/wound many people here. Why hasn't He? Cos the attribute is wrong. The True God has nothing to prove so whether its Christians, Athiests, Muslims or whatever barking, the name calling bounces off. It is the deliberate lies and mischief that are recorded and which will stand at judgement. And the fake one would not be allowed to do so by the true one so it doesn't seem to be the True one.

Again, think it through - the instance anything limits God, either the "limiter" is wrong or it is not the "true God" being referred to. Take your pick! God is UNLIMITED! And has the right to be anything including a piece of paper or yes, a PIG at any time He wants IF HE WANTS. Any god that needs to prove a point would have destroyed Satan and many people in this forum if he were the real God.

With such a proud (that can't allow himself to look low) god, "His Supreme position" is not consonant with any insult. Neither is it with people lying about Him in any way. Why hasn't He done anything about such and destroyed a sizable proportion of NL. He only sees having a partner or son ONLY as beneath HIS UNLIMITEDNESS? Wrong interpretation there, Bro.

Anyway, God is 1: a Spirit that manifested in Flesh as the SON and manifests as the Holy Ghost dwelling in and guiding His adopted children. Spirits do not use the toilet! BTW, the Bible says "I form light and create darkness"! Unjust/Silly/etc are Human words being tried to "fit" a Divine Creator. You judge that someone did wrong before you say what they did was "unjust". Who's going to judge God? So then, who's going to say whatever He does is Unjust/Silly/etc because the minute you say so, you just judged the Almighty God

I wonder what would happen in the Religion forum if your machine existed and suddenly we knew the past

Copied this from another thread here on NL Msg#155 on https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-283613.128.html

Please note this is used just to complement the issue of Omniscience/Omnipotence/Omnipresence. As I wrote earlier, our understanding differs and the author of the below has shown (better than I could myself) my understanding of God's power. Omni"gbogbo E" is just another way of limiting God.

QUOTE BEGINS

(1) The Koran throughout proclaims that God knows absolutely everything and that he can do whatever he wishes, whenever he pleases.

Comment: it appears that the Koran's authors didn't realise that omniscience and omnipotence are inconsistent characteristics. Thus, if God knows absolutely everything, then nobody could ask a question to which he doesn't know the answer, whereas if God could do whatever he wishes, whenever he pleases, then he could ask a question to which nobody knows the answer.

Verdict: inconsistency.
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(2) It also appears that the Koran's authors did not appreciate that the concept of an omnipotent being is absurd. Thus, ex hypothesi an omnipotent being (OB) can do anything and everything; hence, there would not be any examples of what an OB cannot do; hence, it would be impossible for anyone to give any any examples of what an OB could not do; hence, an OB could not give any examples of what an OB could not do; but if an OB cannot give any examples of what an OB cannot do, that in itself would be an example of what an OB cannot do; hence, there would be at least one example of what an OB cannot do.

Verdict: absurdity.
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QUOTE ENDS

Look at (2) again. There are no examples of what an Omnipotent being cannot be (including become a man or baby or piece of wood). The word limits God to human imagination and is MAN SPEAKING not GOD SPEAKING

So Bro, what are the questions you wished to ask?

@the_seeker:

Didn't really take offence. Just wanted us to be conscious we can "unintentionally" offend.

[1] YES YES
[2] In the Flesh (whist on Earth or ought I say in "imagery/our imaginations", YES
[4] God can be whatever He wants to be? WHATEVER! Not "my" or "your" imagination? Omniscience/potence/presence are words we use to qualify God in the form most suited to our understanding: that of the AWESOME CREATOR AND JUDGE OF ALL. God is not limited to these words or to anobody's conception! Remember, some say they are slaves and some say they are sons. Thats US TALKING, not God speaking!
[5] I believe in the Father, the Son and The Holy Spirit. Let me explain this as I think I know where you're going. Its not 3 people but 1 showing in 3 different ways.
[a] I am manifesting to you now (as you read me) as a written word
[b] If I telephone you, I'd then be a spoken word
[c] If I then visit you, I'd be a physical presence
Am I still the same person or have I become 3? Triune and Trinity are words that came from Pagan Rome and have both been used to find "errors". Do me a favor and use conversations to hear the other side rather than to try to "trap". I keep saying I am not here to win. If this is about winning, leave me out of it!

@the_seeker:

Do me a favor and give me the respect I offer you. When you say "the Christian is capable of believing , , .", you are generalizing. Supose I were to say "Every Muslim is Idi-Amin, syphilitic, insane, cruel, murderous". Would you accept it? For avoidance of doubt, I know that man was an aberration and is not representative of the Muslim community.

As to your questions, I'd have thought my comments make my beliefs clear.

[1] Yes
[2] In flesh (as He was amongst us), Yes. He was the Word of God and as the Book says, "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God". Literally, take this as the way I said you cannot touch yourself. Anyone tells you differently has a different belief from Christianity
[3] You're asking me a question that is pointless and would start non-profitable controversy. If I say No, you ask how I know and that I prove it. If I say yes, you say the same.
[4] In answer to question 4, I ask you in response, Can the Almighty be in two places at the same time? As a Fearsome Judge somewhere and as a loving creator in another? Add the 3rd word - Omnipotent! If He wishes, He could be a Baby somewhere, a Tree in another and God in Heaven. Thats OMNIPOTENCE and OMNIPRESENCE. His having knowledge of all at the same time is HIS OMNISCIENCE. Disagree with this and its obvious your concept of God is limited to a narrow imagination or that you refuse Him one of these 3 attributes. Please remember one thing I have said over and over -me and you often have a need to show ourselves as men. God has nothing to prove else why does Satan still exist and wasn't destroyed?
[5] Trinity is a "word" that every person defines as he wills. If I say yes, you use another man's argument against me. Thats not fair, is it? I believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. You could now ask me to explain what I believe by each of these. The word trinity has "strange" roots!
[6] We call God "The Unchangeable Changer". What does that mean to you? To me, it means He is whatever He wants to be - He can't change but changes! We both believe in God. We believe He knows tomorrow and lets assume He has decided I will meet someone but then a prayer by yourself (or whatever) is answered by Him and ends up being answered thus making me not meet the person, would you say He has changed? Whats the point of Prayer, brother? And the answers or non-answers to such, do they change God? His decisions, maybe. Him, NO!

@Okunoba:

Thankfully you've "shined" your eyes and know you have the right to pray to Shango, Oya and even Esu. Please exercise your rights

No answers, no sense, no point. Just a lot of hot smelly air.

I rest my case.

And now will begin the claims to victory over opponents. How does non-stop farting till the other guy's sensibilities fail equate to "winning"?

I still wonder where Abuzola is and wish him the very best. Same to Niyi53 and the_seeker and our resident fart

@the_seeker:

See what I mean? Why are people trying to impersonate "Mavenbox" and not any randy goat here?

Its an immutable law in life. It is the Truth that the enemy trys to counterfeit. Before you people say I now worship Mavenbox, please O. I only meant people see/respect her more than most. Thats why she's being "faked" i.e. because she matters. I know some here who will now "fake" themselves to get recognition

I am impressed by your sincerity and willingness to listen.

Lets deal with the Adam issue: Adam was referred to as a son of God. But then, the man/son sinned! His sin kicked him out of Grace and thus he became unable to stand with God unlike before. I hope you accept that there was a rare fellowship between God and Adam before the sin issue. Because he didn't have any seed before the sin, his children were born with the burden of sin in them just as A pregnant HIV II woman will give birth to a HIV infected child.

Anyone can say what they will but the baby didn't sin and it wasn't the doctors fault. So we got it automatically and it wasn't God's fault.

Jesus had to be Man to save man but Divinity to be an able bridge! So He came as the Word of God. The limitation He had ON earth was that he was clothed i.e. he had flesh. Remove the earthly flesh and He was PURE UNADULTERATED GOD. This may seem strange to you but do you agree that God can be in 2 places at the same time? And in one place as an awesome Being and in the second place as a loving guiding "creator"??

King "saul" was anointed by the prophet samuel on the instructions of God. Prior to that, there was no anointing in him. Note that this same Saul later lost his anointing and became possessed by an evil spirit. Until all the "prophets" started to get thier revelations, they too had no anointing. They were anointed at special times for special purposes and after that, fini! Look then at Jesus. He came with it. It was a part of his personality and just like you, a black man cannot "lose" your blackness (forgive the language), He too couldn't lose His Character. That was who He was!

I wrote this earlier but will again. You will find you cannot touch yourself. Sure you can touch your head or nose or throat etc but the only way you can get a full expression of you, "the_seeker" is if you speak. You are your Word and I come back to this. Jesus is the Word of God. Thats what the Bible says. Thats what the Quran says. That is the truth. The only difference is that whist on earth, He limited Himself with flesh covering.

Now to the Quranic verses you quoted! I prefer not to stand against the belief of any man as I know how I feel when my belief is disdained. However, I needs must ask you why you think the Quranic quotes you give should mean anything to me. Do you accept the Bible as true? So why should I accept the Quran? Thats why I prefer to use the Quran when discussing with you since that is what you believe. And I've answered the issue of multiple versions of the Bible clearly. The "enemy" has only one target: the TRUTH! Why should he fight against any fake belief or system of divinity? Why should the Lord keep quiet is your likely rebuttal and my answer is simple: Why did He keep quiet in Eden? Because its about choice and free-will. We've argued and put each others points across? Which makes sense?

That God is so "Proud" He cannot love us and help us by creating a bridge back to him and has to keep appearing the "ChairMan" of the Universe (big shot) because we've restricted Him to that? Or that He loves us and made a way for reconciliation by sending His Word (agreed to but not understood by many religions) to create the path back to Him? I lost my pride when I realised God is not proud: He simply has nothing to prove else He would have destroyed the devil long ago

And thats the real problem here. Most of us have turned this into a quest to win. Its their pride at stake. Too much testosterone.

You can imagine posters asking that we arrange women for them when they come to Naija. I in Arama'ic!

@the_seeker:

Thank you. And I sincerely mean that because you kept to the point. And I do know what "Messiah" stands for! Yes, it is "Anointed" which also means "Chosen above all others" for why would you anoint just the one rather than all. If all are anointed as you have claimed, then the word "anointed" stands for nothing and is of no consequence.

BTW, where is my friend Abuzola? I like the thought of a man who defends what he believes in with anger (though too much atimes) rather than some who dance and shift, lying as they wish, mixing ijebu-ness with Islam and saying nothing in 30 paragraphs.

Anyway, this fact of "Anointed" you have subscribed to brings a problem. Let me explain,

Before Adam, there was no man (or woman). So God as it were, needed to start from the beginning and so, breathed his Word into mud/clay/sand/whatever and it became Adam.

Why did He do same with Jesus if not that there was a need for something special which replaced the dirt we had turned ourselves into. This is the problem you guys don't get. He started anew with Jesus, yet did not destroy everyone else. The way the Scriptures say it, the idea was to bring that dirt BACK into His way through the NEW PEOPLES/GENERATIONS/WHATEVER that Jesus started. Else,

[1] why didn't He breathe into sand to make me or you, reader? At least He had time to do Jesus so why not me?
[2] What was the point (or do you believe God had nothing to do and so out of boredom breathed Jesus) for starting anew with Jesus?
[3] You believe all He had to do was say I forgive and that was that! Why then did He bother to send so many messengers across times/ages? Why not just forgive and cancel and even just send the 72 virgins straight to each of our houses? Plus the booze, of course!
[4] Could the same kind of human as what we are (including EVERY other prophet including those in Buddhism/ifa [shango olukoso himself would be a nice thot as a prophet since olabowale says Alexander the great [one mean atheist mo'fo] was a prophet)) do the work of this "STARTED AFRESH" person?

Having said that, I used to wonder why God made it so hard for us to understand the redemptive work of Jesus because contrary to what you may think, most real Christians found it hard to understand too. Then it struck me.

Adam and Eve's freewill kicked them out of Grace. In that, they were helped by the concept of wanting knowledge/more offered them by a temptation

Not too long ago, I myself stood "out of Grace". Just as they decided to step out by not accepting God's own, my freewill had to DECIDE to accept Grace. All encumbrances were brought about by the same guy who spoke to Eve, the sharp "serpent".

In effect, as Adam CHOSE to bow to Satan to offend God, I had to CHOOSE to offend Satan to please God.

Not by a fake noisiness in the market about "supporting" God and honoring Him by saying He can't do some things because He's too great for that, but by realising that as He came down to Adam's level then, so He AGAIN had done so for all of us. Eve sinned. Adam did not have to, but he joined her. I re-entered Grace and it REMAINS YOUR RIGHT to reject it.

But not by lying. When you do that, you've become that serpent pushing innocent people away. And the devil (serpent) has been busy. That is why Christianity has so many faces/"bibles"/etc. Because the guy wants to help all to stay out of that Grace else he's been defeated and of course, he has help from many fake christians/pastors/etc. But here's true proof - You cannot show me a 2,500 (two thousand, five hundred) Naira note because it doesn't exist. If there is no original, there can't be a counterfeit. And please before you say it, here's the truth, you can't go to the USA to get an original Naira. Its here in Nigeria. In the same way, don't lie that Islam is the true Christianity. The messages/ways/life/ALL are too different. Inside Christianity, you'll find error simply because the devil is fighting it.

That doesn't take away the truth. Simply put, it is Jesus came as a bridge between God and Man. Thats why God breathed ANEW!

No human fathered Adam and Jesus according to the Koran. They came direct as a result of the Word of the Almighty God, not ""the same entity that the Bible says mothered Lady Eve. No?"

Hadith Mishkat said Jesus will come back to rule the Kingdom of God. Is the Hadith lying? Okay so we now know one lie-filled Hadith. No?

Surah 3:55b. Quote it for us and tell us the Arabic meaning so we "kufirs (no?)" see how the Koran and every other Muslim has been lying till you now correct them.

Messiah means nothing to Muslims!!!!!!! Why is it then in the Koran?? Are you saying Allah had nothing to write there so He put it there to pass time? Why are you insulting your religion?

Yes, Allah differs from allah. The difference is you capitalized the "A". And yes, the pagans did every single thing you're making noise about.

Oh ok, so just as Adam, you too, Baba-70, was commanded into being by Allah and Alhaji (No?) Olabowale had no congress with your mother before you were born. All hail the "3rd Adam", "baba-70". If your dad did sleep with your mother, tell me who slept with Mary that resulted in Jesus. I just hope you agree your Prophet had an earthly father. Tell us openly then, the difference between the progeny of these two "messengers" as you call them. And stop lying like a 3 year old. You use Mary's ancestors to mean Jesus ancestors openly as though Mary not only mothered him but also fathered Him.

Come to think of it, even that makes Him more special than ANYBODY else in history

You go about seeing the speck in other religions and peoples eyes forgetting you too are not above scrutiny. Respect my belief and I will leave you alone to yours. Continue the insults and I tell you now, Voltron, you will wish you weren't literate to read what will be posted here.

olabowale:
@Mazaje: « #358 on: Today at 05:49:58 PM »  Where is that impression that the world is flat? In some part of the earth, the earth does appear to be flat. No?

@Nuclearboy: You must be out of your rockers to use Juliet for me! I know Homosexualism has entered Nigeria. But do you have to use the terrible impression for me? Darn! Lol. I love making his head as if it a salad bowl.

Baba-70, is this your response from the Quran?

Anyway, I  know that many posts ahead, you will claim to have "crushed" your opponents. No? 

How are Zainab and the children and the grand-children and the great-grand children? I'm sure you're responsible for more homeless black children than Hurricane Katrina with your "mee" wives. You've defeated us all in that

@Muhsin:

Don't derail us. Tell Voltron to come and answer the questions NOW.

Knowing him, he will keep to other threads then appear after you have wasted valuable time and space then attempt to take us away from the topic.

@No2atheism:

Funnily, I "like" the Quran. It is Voltron that hates it and wants to insult it.

Problem is, the guy won't answer but just spend time dancing around and typing "No?" and "Ijebu" and "Zainab the Igbo woman". We're about to know why His name is (should be first definitely) approaching MOST MEANINGLESS POSTER OF THE YEAR. Actually, He wins the "LIFETIME AWARD FOR MOST MEANINGLESS OF ALL HUMANS"

Baba-70, where art thou, O my juliet?

@Mavenbox:

Will do after replying his holy jesterliness now

@Voltron:

When will you reply me? Who was Jesus Father ACCORDING to the Koran? And thanks for DELIBERATELY misquoting everything you see. You say I said Jesus Kingdon is on earth You ridicule what you profess, Baba-70, cos its the Koran that says so. My reason for quoting the Koran to answer you rather than the Bible is that like a broken record, you keep repeating "The Bible is Corrupt" so since you claim the Koran is infallible, I wanted you to shoot yourself in the foot by arguing against it.

If you claim honor of any sort, stay on course and do not digress but just answer these questions [don't say they've been answered as they've not] and answer now, not after 4 other comments have been posted and you can ignore this, ramble about those and then later claim you "defeated" "them"

[1] Who does the Quran say fathered Jesus? [quote support from the Quran and don't go near the Bible][2] Who said Jesus will come back to rule the Kingdom of God?
[3] Whose followers will be Greater [Jesus or Mohammed] ACCORDING TO THE QURAN?
[4] Who does the Koran call the Messiah?
[5] What is the difference between the "allah" that was a demon god and your own "allah" since they both were worshipped in the Qa'abah, follow the same mode of worship, bear the same name, same EVERYTHING and thus, would seem to be the same. Well, I can give you one difference which is that Muhammad said they are different! Yes, the Koran also says so. Give me two other reasons that'll make sense to a reasoning mind.
[6] Earlier, I illustrated how you are your "Word". Tell me then, who is Jesus if He is God's Word.

Go outside any of the direct answers to these questions and you have only proved you have no response and thus need to build a "tale of two cities". And answer rather than accusing Christianity. Stay focused if you DARE! And if you dare to do so, you will "crush" yourself with your own answers

@mavenbox/no2atheism/toluxa1:

Someone just sent me one of the most amazing pieces of info I ever saw in my life as a response to my discussing this thread with him. Unfortunately, I would have to type it up as its in book form. You'll probably be unable to stop laughing for awhile if you read it. I'll type it up if you guys (apologies to Mavenbox, our lady) want. Create a dud account on yahoo (not your regular box but just to get this) and send details to me. Within a couple of days (hours if I can type that fast), you'll get it. Forgive me in advance though if this gives you a tummy ache from laughter.


UPDATE TO THE ABOVE: I can send some of it now if any of you wants it

@Toluxa1:

I was dazed when I saw your first vote but now you've changed it, my mind is at rest. "No?" is probably something a white man said that he found "sophisticated" when he was brought from Ijebu to Lagos via a "Malu" drawn carriage.

@Toluxa1:

Save your breath and time. Earlier in this thread, I said a muslim contacted me. Same guy has again written me and asked me to read Surah 5:101 in which Allah warns muslims not to ask questions about things which if made plain to them, may cause them trouble. Any thing that could bring illumination must be kept away from and must not be considered whether reasonable or not. Please compare this to the God who said to "test ALL spirits". Anyway, olabowale has said we serve different gods.

The same guy wrote that I'm wasting my time cos none here will even bother to try to understand cos of the mindset and background. Sadly, he says he understands the issues involved but cannot convert for fear of his family and people.

I wish everyone luck here and my only reason for coming here was because I wondered at many things which have now become clear.

@Voltron: I actually ended up enjoying you at least for the humor. Cheers, Man

The """"facts"""" according to Voltron are obvious:

[1] You have a right to put "Allah" in a box limited to your own imagination. Because He is God and you are the almighty "voltron [defender of the universe and oldest jester on NL]", He cannot go outside your own imagination!
[2] He (like me and "voltron" has a house and cannot be in more than one place at a time. I wonder if he sleeps and then the universe runs by itself
[3] Everything He does was inherited from another god(?) called by his same name before he appeared on the scene to show he was the real god simply by saying so to Muhammad PRIVATELY!!! And you have to face a certain direction for him to hear you. North, west and South are controlled by other "powers"
[3] Christians (those ridiculous Jesus worshiping demons) are much stronger than Allah and had the power to disrupt/cancel/change his word. He couldn't stop them since they were so powerful and so the only rebuttal Allah has for their "demonic" activities is Olabowale's noise that they are wrong since Allah cannot (or prefers not to) defend himself from the antics of keferis! Those christians must be shaitan "gan gan". A shaitan more powerful than the god.
[4] Only Muslims know the parts of the Bible that have been corrupted. The owners of Christianity do not know as much about Christianity as Muslims know
[5] Christians are "totally ashamed" because elder voltron the baby brain has "crushed" us by saying he is right, telling us about ijebu land and Zainab and informed us that turkeys and bullshit are his area of expertise and thus we are wrong.

I beg, I need a cup of water and some fresh air before I start throwing up. Then we'll come back for the "extended stories" REPLY since points cannot be kept to or direct queries answered. Noise must be adhered to

AS I've said earlier, its you that is limiting God. I don't understand if you think you've achieved sarcasm when you ask if He can be any of the extremes you state, but God is not limited to any imagination and can do whatever He wants or show Himself as whatever He wills.

Keep it in mind He is not a Yoruba King who needs to show Himself as "Ekeji Orisha" or olabowale who has to "win" on NL cos of his pride. Here, there's simply no point to prove cos God is God and He knows it.

BTW Nuclearboy, why do you even bother with someone who has "christians" doing magic shows for him in his sleep? Or is it "chum chi chum"? Can't you see that "Afefe ti sapa lori ni!"

All hail our resident oldest court-jester on Nairaland.

@Jester-Voltron:

It is YOU that limits God by saying there are things He cannot do. He luckily, does not limit Himself to your imagination which is of less mass than the average soldier ants antennae

One day, you will keep to the topic. At that time, people will take you serious. Until then, ,  ,

@Abu:

I answered your question. Do we stay here with you asking over and over when I already answered?

@Old man Voltron:

Can't you ever stick to the point?

Like the name I gave you which was a joke equating you with a mental age (that of the children's fantasy tale where the name comes from), my stories were meant to point you in the right direction. Did you not read that they came from the Jokes section? But then, your mind can only look for contradictions anywhere you turn your face to. Fighter! Alagbara!

My puzzle with you is your age and background which all of us have been given so much info about - how did you turn out like this? For an adult to start arguing about where a turkey was on a tree when eating Bull droppings, -> na wa! And then we go on to Nuclear and neutrons? Why not try the theory of relativity and the finer points of diamond cutting? You get problem O! By the way, please paint your living room in "wosal" since it is a better green than green. Whatever you do, by no means should you ever consider yourself a good representation of [1] A yoruba [2] an adult [3] a muslim

@Abuzola:

I answered your question IMMEDIATELY you asked it and I even went out of my way to answer from your OWN KORAN which says the "carpenter" was Allah's Word and NOT any man's child. If Allah is God and His word became Jesus inside Mary, use the allegory of "touching Abuzola" to answer who Jesus is. How many like that have there been? TWO! Him and Adam, according to the Koran. What happened to Adam. He lost his sonship by sin. Jesus therefore stands alone (according to the Koran which chooses Him over ALL other "prophets" and is the only begotten SOn

ITs simple!!! Adam sinned and that cost him his status. Jesus did not. He is the "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON". Leave the Bible out of this. Your own Koran says "His followers will be greater then those WHO DO NOT follow Him". Your own Hadith says "He will rule God's own Kingdom".

Abu, when you write your own will, do you plan to leave everything you worked for to your Servant called "Muhammad" or your son called "Jesus"?

Your own Koran has answered you. If you say its a lie, its the Koran you're insulting, not me cos I only said what the Koran said.

If you want points to argue on, answer the following:

Who was Jesus's Father according to the Koran?
Who was Muhammad's Father according to the Koran?
Which had a greater pedigree or SOURCE?
According to the Hadith I quoted, who will rule God's Kingdom?
Why "crying carpenter son the son" Jesus and not Holy Kind Compassionate Amazing Muhammad (the greater)?

You say these things as if you expect me to roll over whenever you say something just because you said so! Me and your other readers: Do you believe we have brains and can reason If yes, then I tell you, friend, Black and red are different no matter how loudly anyone shouts. And I'm not your enemy or trying to "win" any perceived war/argument/contest. There's never been any battle between us.

A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold, the bird froze and fell to the ground in a large field. While it was lying there, a cow came by and dropped some dung on it. As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of cow dung, it began to realize how warm it was. The dung was actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy. A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to investigate.

Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him!

The morals in this story are:

1) Not everyone who drops poo on you is your enemy. THOSE TELLING THE TRUTH ARE NOT YOUR ENEMIES, MYSELF INCLUDED. TRUTH IS BITTER.
2) Not everyone who gets you out of poo is your friend. ANYONE SUPPORTING ERROR IS THE REAL ENEMY. SUCH ABOUND HERE
3) And when you're in deep poo, keep your mouth shut. NOBODY CAN WIN AGAINST TRUTH NO MATTER HOW LOUDLY THEY PREACH A LIE

My textbook says:

[1] Green is a color
[2] Red is a color
[3] Wosal is not a color
[4] Blue is a mixture of "wosal" and red
[5] green and Wosal are the same thing
[6] Wosal is a better color than green
[7] red is the worst color

Asked to explain why [6] since Wosal is not even a color, my answer is "my textbook says so".
Then they ask me to lets use deductive reasoning. My answer is "NO, my textbook is "reason" itself
Shown that a color and a non-color cannot be same, my answer is "WHY not, since my book says so"
Red must be worst because my book is luminous
History is wrong because my book is "brilliant"
Science is wrong because my book said Green is a color. Since that is right, then my book is perfect

All those who showed me the truth must be ashamed because I've proved my book is right SIMPLY by saying "it is right"

I am absolutely right that they are ashamed and hiding their faces in fear of me and my perfection!

@Mavenbox: You are right. Seeing the truth is not the same as accepting it.

@Voltron et al: I got the following from the jokes section on NL:>

A turkey was chatting with a bull. "I would love to be able to get to the top of that tree," sighed the turkey, "but I haven't got the energy."

"Well, why don't you nibble on some of my droppings?" replied the bull. "They're packed with nutrients." The turkey pecked at a lump of dung and found that it actually gave him enough strength to reach the first branch of the tree.

The next day, after eating some more dung, he reached the second branch. Finally after a fortnight, there he was proudly perched at the top of the tree. Soon, he was promptly spotted by a farmer, who shot the turkey out of the tree.

Moral of the story: Bullshit might get you to the top, but it won't keep you there.

Those who read all we wrote made their own deductions. I thank God I got personal mail from 1 of "your" people and know it was not in vain

no point

@No2Atheism:

You've joined MavenBox and Viaro in my Hall of Fame with your response. The desire and willingness to learn and the humility that comes from accepting one's limitations are attributes to be admired.

@Abuzola:

I have admired you a great deal because you stand up for what you believe in and I still do. But you need to know its not all about winning. I'm sure you played football or something else sometime. Did you always win? Losing atimes is the way to Victory

I knew your mental age would show. What level of understanding would say that only a Muslim can do what this man did? You puzzled me for awhile till I saw a post you made where you quoted Fela Anikulapo Kuti in the Religious section. After that, there's not much you can do to amaze me!

You yourself, come now, think and understand why I said you're using something funny. I wouldn't be suprised to hear you snort "Alabukun" mixed with burnt paper.

You will "crush" me? Oya now, Chairman Ol'elderly ancient man. You are really pitiful and you do so much for Christianity simply by not being a Christian

Voltron wrote:

the bolded gave us that the two were on the same level of sonship, until Adam was either demoted or Jesus promoted, as a result of Adam's sin, which the Judeo-Christian God did not forgive him of, hence Jesus is the only begotten son! What a concept, considering the fact that Adam (AS) was created from mud and water, as a son wouldnt his brother be made from the same things? (This confirms what Allah says in the Quran; the creation of Jesus is like the creation of Adam, they were both commanded to be alive by "Be, so it be".

Unless somebody can say that when Jesus was going to be begotten Something had to sleep with his mother, the virgin Mary thereby disvirgining her, yet they call her virgin still? Maybe since she was mounted and overshadowed and come upon her, this is how he is begotten? I am wondering if Nuclearboy is paying attention to the reality of his writing? This God made one son rotten and cleansed another, even though the cleansed son called somebody a "fool" though he stated a mere saying a thing like that will learn that person on "hell", did he not condemn himself by his own statement before he called somebody "a fool" at the end?

I know you will use the idea I did not bother going thru your post to make noise. Lets go thru it together

[1] Where have you seen Man, Angel or Divinity demoting and promoting children before. If by that statement, somene is telling you that you achieved sarcasm, laugh at yourself.
[2] Mud and water?? I thought it was the breath of God that made him live. Is it not that same breath your Quran ascribes to "Allah" where Jesus was concerned? Are you on cheap drugs?
[3] You confirm what I wrote that it was Kun fa ya kun (right spelling?). Whats new telling us what I already said. If you've nothing to write, have mercy on that war torn keyboard
[4] Does the Koran say "something slept with Mary"? NOT ONLY ARE YOU BEING RUDE AND DISRESPECTFUL TO ANOTHER PEOPLE'S SET OF BELIEFS BUT WORSE, YOU'RE LYING AGAINST YOUR OWN KORAN! Ol'elderly "boy", stop using those drugs. Drink plenty of water!
[5] In nyour quest to show how "intelligent" you are, you've reverted to type and tried to derail everything here - Virgin! When did we digress into the issue of Virginity here? Why didn't you spend your time replying the questions rather than jumping into insulting the Koran which said no man slept with her. I once asked this question - Which is right? You or the Koran??
[6] Your English is reprehensible "God made one rotten etc." Typing for the sake of banging keyboards. I know you want to kill and drink blood. Unfortunately you can't so your keyboard, reason, good sense, truth and light are the things you're trying to kill. Was it not Sin that caused Adam's problem? Did God made him Rotten? Where was Jesus Sin? Did God then cleanse Him or His state of sinlessness kept him "cleansed"?

As I always conclude with you and I suspect this time will prove, now it is time to start JIHAD against your keyboard and show Nairaland your mental age. The redness of your eyes, violence of your speech, lack of reason of your thought processes all show thru your keyboard. Islam would be well rid of you as you're Islam's greatest opponent here. So show us more what you are now.

This time I know you will prove the spirit living in you that is fighting Islam even more than Christianity. At least above, you've stood against Islam so why should I worry for your spewing against Christianity or poor Nuclearboy. Fight on, Brother. Muhammad must be happy you didn't meet him on Earth

Hello Voltron:

I see you are back. How is Zainab?

The issue is simple. Your Quran places Jesus above Muhammad in 3:55b! Is that a lie? Similarly the Hadith says He will rule! Lie? So answer me as "A MAN" -

which is more senior? The top servant (according to the Koran) or the one who will rule (according to the Koran)?

If the servant is the greatest messenger, then can the ruler be a more junior messenger?

Does it not stand to reason that the ruler is more senior and therefore must be greater than servant. What is greater than servant if not Son of the household?

But you have a right to reject the Truth. That is what this has always been about anyway; seeing and knowing the truth but denying because "what will people say, me, a whole Alhaji" OR "does that mean I accept I've been wrong all along? Kai, Allah forbid, better to die like this and follow everyone else to Hell rather than lose my pride" etc etc etc.

One thing I know though - many people have read this thread and saw and understood. Its just like the diagrams of the Egyptians (blacks, semites) above. This No2Atheism guy!!!! I salute knowledge.

Its amazing that even when the people themselves say, drew and proved they were black, you're still trying to find a way to "win". Win what?? Nobody can see these paintings, read what you wrote and not wonder at your minds, my Friends.

Me, I retire. What I had to say has been said and you have been very helpful and shown me more of what Islam is about.

Voltron, say hi to Zainab and Abu, remember, its not a war to win. You cannot win against Truth anyway.

Salutee