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Obviously, the only way you see to make your allah look better is by comparing it to your worst intepretations of the Bible. Sad ehn, when you need a prop to hold up your head.

But at least you admit that "some" of you have to enter hell - that's better!

Only thing is what your book says is "ALL" which means even the chairman is in hell being "purified" by fire. Imagine - poor irreverent suicide bombers - they thought virgins were waiting & GBAAAMM, then quiet. Suddenly, as they looked around, a guy spooned up their remains (?) and threw that into FIRE!

Which first shows the stup.idity that you subscribe to - even the thought that your bodies will follow you from life into death shows how ridiculous your belief is. Never even mind that being basest amongst men, you go on to believe same dead bodies will again make love in death.

An arrant travesty of reasoning. But then, what did we expect from "all I think about is s.ex reasoning"?

My own is simple - start getting ready for FIRE. Both the Bible and you Koran ASSURE you of it - that goatee on fire. Wow!

Fight ke?? Impossicant and unpossible. Because of politics, to boot?

You know me - once I know someone is intelligent PLUS has sincerity to make their life a continually updated experience, I'm weaker than Jo's arguments

You and okada-man remain in my hall of fame

Moral issues - you signed to an agreement. Then you throw it out. Then after you win, you insist that it is in effect for others. The issue is not if he has right to be president - everyone of us has that right. The true issue for me is that after it was thrown out to his advantage, he ought not have raised it again. That is so animal farm.

I know Churchill's words (and MORE + you know I do) - are you stating then that you'd do same if in that seat? Come on!

I'll keep quiet about heresay - time will bear one of us out. It always does

On privatisation, the dude knew what he planned is my point. Yet he kept supporting privatisation till those words (amidst a myriad of others) got him where he wanted. But then you yourself allude to the deceptiveness when you say "blindsided by him"

Fine, constitution says every state is to produce a minister. Is he "reforming" that by adding MORE?

You understand my point. I know you do!

Last "thing" only - "zoning" was scrapped because he wanted the party ticket. After he got it, zoning again existed - "animal farm" style Napoleon?

There is a moral issue here and I wonder what that inteprets to in the psyche of 150million Nigerians.

Aside that, no, its not that I take you as GEJ's defender - seems I've made the mistake okada-man also did yet inadvertently. I just wonder if Nigeria does not deserve better than this -

"we know" who was responsible for the Oct 1 blasts until "some" people stopped their campaigns and threw weight behind "we" - I may be wrong but I see that as using human lives as bargaining tools.

"Rome" is on fire but the emperor wants entertainment and sees tenure elongation as priority

Privatisation has "failed"? Why after the election?

A "streamlined government" has become more minstries, PAs, SPAs, and hanger ons.

"foreign accounts" now acceptable? NOW?

It goes on and on and me, I just wonder - "what could be worse?"

^^ I see!

Nice try but I wonder how close you are to people on the bottom rung

How has this govt or anything it is implementing, helped poor people? Health, education, jobs, transportation etc?

The issue of corruption and big-manism - how has this govt reacted to these?

Security of lives AND emphathy - do you believe you are safe in Nigeria?

I could go on & on but, , ,

We both know you are far above the "its just 3 months" crowd! So tell me ONE (or maybe TWO) positive things you can ascribe to the HOS in the past 12 years he has been "applicable" in this system?

We all supported him against Atiku but looking back at the issue of "zoning" and the somersaults we have seen, would YOU, Aletheian do same OR support such "manouvering" as indicative of a sincere\honest person?

Una 2 don convert this simple thread to inter-"I no know wetin" warfare and COMEDY!

Oya, e don do - we bow say una carry grammar for head. Even the 2 people you guys are defending will take cover with all the "farrago" and "amadioha".

Back to earth please!

I wonder if Aletheia will humor me and tell me what more you'd wish to go bad before accepting things have really been up-ended in this system. And what positives you see that incline you to believe things will improve

And I owe you an apology - will still write

So much noise about mercy. Yet what we find is that it is your Prostration marks that angels will use to know you and bring you out of fire. So _

1. You will burn in hell
2. Your burning will be so bad that even the mighty angels cannot differentiate between you and say, a Shango worshipper
3. Which is why you have to harden your head by striking it around till even fire can't burn it
4. How do you know when its hard enough to survive hellfire?
5. If its that "Koko" used to know you (by angels), your bits are gone. So is you tummy! So is your back.
6. What will you use to "enjoy" virgins without "bits"?
7. What will you use to drink "rivers of wine"without tummy
8. What will you lay down with when you have no flesh?

Merciful indeed!

Seems the guy who wrote those verses was drunk on wine, enjoying a virgin (or 2 or 3) and obviously was in bed he looked around, felt that was the best deal and hey "write that down too".

^^ Initially thought you made a typo above but subsequently you confirmed.

How did your withdrawal of support "tip" the scales in GEJ's Favor? Are you not taking yourself too seriously, friend?

Mehn, that's some badass self-OVER-estimation!

^^ for now, they are still both Muslim.

But when they have killed all "infidels", they will turn on each other.

First atheists, then pantheists, then monotheists (Christians and Jews)j finally themselves - that is the testimony of history

"Paddy" is SHARP

Your lies and deliberate confusion only prove Frosbel right

You people cannot be reasoned with. You understand only mud-slinging which is only another form of violence

@LagosShia:

While I do not mind listening to people, I do not like people thinking that only them have knowledge. You have more or less stated that I was lying when I said David was punished for misbehaving.

David's child from adultery died - was that a blessing? Or would you pray to bury your own child?

He was told (over another sin) that violence would never leave his line - do you pray your children hunt themselves like rabbits?

I can give more. Yet you sit there stating fallacies as though they are fact and even claiming "laughter" if proved wrong. You people have this innate capability to irritate with such sweeping statements yet you cannot take same while insulting other people - can't you just be civil?

Your Mohamed visited the Temple by flight - can you tell me how a man visits a place that was destroyed before he was born? Can you tell me how crucifixion was used in your Koran thousands of years before crucifixion was invented?

Yet you insist on looking for faults in other beliefs when all of us have only "faith" and not facts. Yes, I can provide things I am uncomfortable with in the Bible - behavior, philosophy etc but that is because I am honest.

Are you? Or the fear of saying anything against Islam is better than lying? Truth, not opinions, dude.

^^

Let us "reason"

If we start our discussion from the point of view that God exists as Christians state, we needs must accept that He is not bound by the same laws or morals we are bound by

So I ask - do you have a dog? Does it have the same priviledges you have e.g. would you allow it sleep with your wife (and be considered normal)? In the same way does God have us (even greater since we did not create our dogs)- do we then expect to share same "priviledges"? Laws were made for us and not Him just as you expect friendship but not equality of your dog.

Where there is no law, there is NO transgression. What laws were made for God?

^^ I'm puzzled.

If we start from Eden (assuming you accept the Biblical perspective you are using to argue), how would mankind have been propagated aside "incest"? I thought the first instinct is survival - would you rather extinction than "incest"? So what's special about Abraham marrying a half sister under those conditions. Or has Davidylan supported that someone marry their mother "today"?

You say "God supports it" but where? Do you see Abraham "rewarded" for incest? Where is this famous "support"? Its like the quest to find error has got you grasping at straws here.

@newmi:

Why should he paraphrase? I like the word "dog" in the context

Shows the veneer is slipping. Truth always shows

^^

Another attempt to rile and\or irritate; then when there is a harsh reaction, the victim mentality kicks in and they start screaming "bully", "he's abusing us and so is not Christian"

Çan't you read through the thread to know my position?

@mabell:

Newmi has imbibed this night. Sapele water number 4 always makes you see funny things

One thing this thread has taught me is how gullible most of us are - give us an idea and a rumour and we have all we need to build a galaxy. No wonder the Word says people will wonder after the beast - this much superstition and fantasy ought not be found among people who are meant to, as I have stated twice on this thread, "know God, be strong and do exploits".

Rather obvious now why people worship what they call MOGs

@MyJoe:

Hello Sir.

@Zikky:

Will await your pleasure

@Natasha:

It is NOT an insult to call a goat its name. What IS an insult is for you to tell me a lie and insist that I should believe it. What that says is that I ought make my brain subservient to yours. I have only called the shallow "shallow". They can prove otherwise by showing depth.

Take as simple example the fact that while I say witchcraft exists but not in the manner claimed and tried to explain, 3 people (likely the same person using different IDs) insist I am saying there are no witches.

Jo, Mabell and now Newmi. Is that depth?

^^ ah, here comes one of the gang!

Dunce, can you show where I said "witches do NOT exist"?

If you took your brains out of the hole in your backside, you'd understand this is about you people stopping to blame innocent flesh for what is due to evil spirit

@Zikky:

Please write me at nlbomb@gmail.com

@Zikky:

I wrote that "ALL" of us have heard these stories and been involved in "deliverance" sessions. But I say "demons" do these things; NOT the children. Did you ever hear of people being "framed"? Look at how deceptive some here are and try to imagine what devils can do to deceive.

Then understand me - the children are framed and there is seemingly tacit agreement by many of us who ought be wiser and know better that we have a responsibility to see past what looks obvious and see the power of deception. An innocent child who had a dream and recounted it to an audience who later that day see the exact thing run out to them will be called a witch. Wisdom tells that it is so easy to influence such for a demon yet because our empty heads seek the Spirit inside the Flesh, they decide they have "cracked the code" and caught a witch.

Make we no talk too much. But there are people who have practiced arts most have never dreamt of and planned evil you can't conceieve - but make I no talk

^^ The Bible did say God would be mocked because of some and we all can see who fits the description. Our man "Martian" is of those who seek excuse to mock - how could an educated human say that the OT position is the NT position?

Basically then, his claim would ONLY be tenable if our agreement is that Judaism is the same as Christianity - a claim Oga Jo will deny most since it reduces him to mere mortal! Or are the punishments etc we find under Judaism as same as today?

But then, whose fault is it if not the theiving empty-heads who use Scripture simply as a means to self-gain and thus dance between Old and New using all and sundry out of context to suit their manipulative schemes

^^

Which is part of why such as Martian glorify in Jo and use him as a prop. Contradictions
, lies, self-serving moronic postulations and ignorance disguised as scholarship all in a bid to mystify and thus seem special.

An enemy from within does help the effort of the thief coming from outside as the yoruba say

^^

So tell me, dude, what's the differece between OT and NT if you have a right to "suffer not witches to live" today. Plus tell me what the difference is between you and the pastors in that video if your hatred of the concept that God exists demands you say witches should be killed since that is what you saw written?

Dude, wake up - "we" have moved forward but to find support, you needs must live in the past and find a prop in insisting that theology from 5000 years ago is cogent today even when there is clear dissent with that in Scripture.

Basically then, remove vacuous hungry dimwits like our hungry "pastor jo" and suddenly, all of you supposedly refined atheists find yourself without a clue - you need Joagbaje's theology to mock Christianity.

Btw dude, I do NOT follow man - kindly expunge your allusions to agreement with bishops or pastors etc. This is personal but then, since you NEED to support Jo to mock God, I guess your scholarship does not extend past searching the web for support from others like his empty self and yourself.

Not all of us have such little self-confidence.

Frosbel raises a concern above which seems tenable - you people teach from "Bukhari"! So how do you decide what parts are right in it and which are wrong?

I agree that Islam has been misrepresented by many people but how do you wish correction? The northern guy will kill you as easily as he will kill me during a riot even though he sees your beard and hears your Arabic - BECAUSE he doesn't see you as a true Muslim. Interestingly, you also do not see him as a true Muslim - so which is right?

And was your prophet AND Koran wrong to ask BOTH of you to ask Jews and Christians for clarification when you are confused? Me personally just wonder at these gymnastics - humanity and LOVE is all we all seek for in my opinion and can anyone complain against Jesus or compare Him to any other where "LOVE" is concerned?

^^

Very funny!

The supernatural is assumed to be a lot of mumbo-jumbo but we find Scientists explaining (for example) the 10 plagues of Egypt as resulting naturally from ONE issue - the production of algae that produced a "blood like" situation in the Nile. What is NOT explained is how the guy knew in advance. God (not being a MOG after the like of your greatest supporter here or Magician OR I.diot like our hungry pastors) uses the natural to achieve His Objectives. I would have thought that the refinement we credited you with would colour your posts but no, you need a prop in the asinine Joagbaje to give you credence. Shows how strong your argument is when the most discredited character on NL has to support you for you to find a stand, doesn't it. This is a guy who created multiple IDs just to support himself to win "poster of the year" - compare his joy, ecstatsy and preening to Davidylan's almost comical conception of the idea and you'll find you stand in sad company if Jo is your prop.

Well and for your information, your case is ONLY damaged by HIS support

Pastor "thief":

Unbelievers love your theology - it supports them in their mockery of God. So why wouldn't Martian just love your somersaults?

And while you allude to knowledge of cause of someone's instability, you cannot mention the cause. Yours however is well known - hunger caused by laziness, a marked aversion to honesty and hardwork and a desire for self-glorification.

Btw, where is the gang? Have they abandoned their alter-ego or have you forgotten the passwords, "pastor deceiver"?

^

Until we get rid of the criminals in pulpits, your view(s) of whatever I say will remain colored by a tainting brought about by their opinion

Do some reasoning - The craft of "blacksmiths" exists and it likely is easier to pass down to descendants because of "closeness" and expectations - but does that mean its passed via dreams? ^

^^

Indeed, Satan shows himself as an angel of light.

And truly "the world wonders after the beast".

"beast" - very apt name for one controlled by his belly, isn't it?

Meanwhile, where are the alter-egos (alternate IDs) to come scatter the thread? Abi your "Ipad" has gone on the blink?

Demons exist! I believe that. But I know that their greatest weapon is misinformation. You will hardly find any Christian of over 10 years who has not attended or participated in "deliverance" sessions.

But just as I go into an exam prepared, spirits come to such sessions prepared as well and their greatest plan is to cause confusion. So a child eats in his\ her dreams. Or is slow in school. Or seems particularly cruel\cold. So you take them for such sessions. Joagbaje places his hands on her head and pushes back and poor child has to walk backward without falling - note that this is usually done whenb the child ought be asleep. And Jo keeps screaming "loose", "confess", "come out" - a combination of fear, extremem fatigue and manipulation will end up making a child confess ANYTHING - that's why you see thje children in these videos accepting anything. They just want to sleep and have you leave them alone. Such as Natasha end up grateful that mummy and daddy "forgave" them and grow up "proudly" believing they were witches.

Meanwhile, the demons that follow Joagbaje around in his quest to dominate the world jump for glee and celebrate their control of his session. Their lying capabilities made Christ avoid conversations with them. Same with the Apostles. They avoided misinformation knowing their adversaries lie for a living. Only today do we find people revelling in talking to "demons" and hearing a load of bunkum which they then re-propagate as truth.

Witchcraft is something you consciously study and become adept at. It is a way of a human deciding to try control what ought be left to God; by acquring "powers" that allow them influence issues. Yes, someone can introduce you into it but NOT without your consent and not in your sleep. The sleep activity portion we call "flying to meetings" comes only as a form of astral travel achieved by study & practice - can this be done unconsciously? But demons can show you visions of you landing on the moon abd being worshipped for your powers. Which remninds me of a funny thing - how many books have we read of "queen of the coast" and "I was the most senior witch"? Please - if everyone is the "Queen", who are her slaves? If everyone is NEXT to Satan, who is number 3 or number 4?

But deceivers (specially empty yet proud ones) seek that which mystifies and thus makes them look special - so I am aware truth is not the issue here; just a desire to get people (customers) to send email or add a BB contact. After that, business ccan commence - please attend your local "Chris Embassy" and tell them I, Joagbaje sent you - thinks to self -"maybe Oga Chris will now know I dey try well well"

LagosShia:

I honestly am challenged by your perspective. This is the first I've seen a Muslim who accepts there is any possibility of error in Islamic literature. Most willl just insist that whatever is found written must be right. Funnily, I thought it was the Shias that were illiterate fundamentalists wearing beards and carrying daggers around - my bad

You mentioned rape, adultery and incest in the Bible - true, such is found but the Bible is about facts. David misbehaved and was punished for it etc. But after punishment comes forgiveness and thus he was forgiven so you cannot find a Biblical justification for him or anyone's sin(s).

Let me ask you however - you have said ONLY the Koran is "absolutely" Holy! Does that mean everything in it is true and above board? obviously, you don't trust the Hadiths. But do you trust the Koran "absolutely"?

I think it is one of 2 things - either sahih Bukhari is wrong or if it is right, then Mohammed could not be a prophet of tje true God.

@LagosShia:

Which one is true? Or is there a 3rd position?

Better to allow you keep your delusions then. As the Bible says "God sent them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie"

But before I go - which year did Joagbaje "deliver" you?