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Hopefully, this is my last word

@Kun

Every (aside societal misfits of any form) baby is celebrated. E V E R Y single one! For as long as babies are still being born, they will be celebrated and "honest joy" will be worth repeating.

@homer:

Okay I hear but decency requires I give him benefit of the doubt which is all I did AS I WOULD IF IT WERE YOU!

^^ Totally wrong and you should know better! Me, its truth and NEVER sentiment

When everyone said yaks yaps was an occultist and freemason, do you remember I said it was inconclusive?? Was that also "soft spot"?

Let us follow truth alone please and not our anger at the lies people perpetuate. I just believe the likelihood this was said in honest joy is much higher than any other motivet- we all do same so why should his own have bad motives?

^ The writer of the article on infidels.org actually shot himself in the foot.

If truly the events were written after the fact, why does he go to such much trouble explaining away each (almost) word? What is he afraid of?

Worse and amusingly, he claims Daniel was written after the fact. But Daniel speaks of events to the "end of time" - are we there yet? His best (worst) estimate is 167BC when Rome was empire - how about events following the fall of Rome - like how it was 10 tribes rising after Rome? Like how another "horn" different from the others rose amongst them and uprooted 3? How does a book written in 167BC explain the exact 10 kingdoms? How does it explain that the Catholic Church (religious and political AND THEREFORE different as Daniel says) destroyed and wiped out exactly 3 of the 10 European tribes as Daniel says?

Did anyone ever compute the timing of the French General Bertier's March into Rome for you? He avoids all such and just throws a blanket saying "he considers what is MORE likely" - those words come from that link.

Unreliable and partisan witness - please throw it out

^^ I'm sorry but I think we see these things differently even if we agree on some things.

Call us (Christians) whatever you wish but we are not senseless. Which is why I reminded you Pastor Adeboye has a PH.D. If it was some other person, I may have kept quiet but does anyone honestly believe a doctorate degree holder would not have new babies receive vaccinations OR that he would announce "DOA"s as successes to advertise his minstry? Why? Why wouldn't he keep quiet rather than risk embarrassment, disgust and vituperative comments? I simply think there are laws of decency that people will not cross - I believe its called giving "benefit of doubt". All of us (including Adeboye) are allowed that, aren't we?

Theatrics and a lot of fun (for now) ! I think Gray-Beard started with issues that need quite a bit of faith. I would have started with prophecy then brought these after "when" a bit more trust could be expected.

@mazaje:

Concerning the issue of conservation of energy within a "closed system" -

faith-mongers (LIKE ME) believe in the supernatural while you do not. If we are right, then what we call the supernatural exists OUTSIDE of the closed system (reality) that is normally available to humans. This would totally negate the principles of energy constancy! I have used fish before as example and will do so again.

Say you breed fish in a pond. They are hatched there, grow there and die there. To all intents and purposes and from the perspective of these fish. THAT is their universe. Now say for some reason, you, owner of that system AND owner of some same-like others, have cause to transfer 1 of these to another "system" but later say 2 days later, return it to the initial "closed" system. On return, it meets as before it went on its "supernatural experience" some bigger, some more educated, some more sexy, some very insultive, some fanatical etc and spreads tales of a "system" outside - what do you figure as response? I assume of course, that fish communicate (as we know all life does within species), have their own "timing" system etc. The works! Supernatural suddenly becomes a concept that "can" be possible if we remove our "insolence" that we are the best thing since sliced bread.

That is "our" reality and I sincerely believe the difference in perceptions and explanation comes from differing levels of intellect, communication skills and possibly "worlds" outside this "our general KNOWN" closed system. Of course, there is also the greed, selfishness and deception some use these matters for!

Above assumes a lot to come to conclusion yet is not too far-fetched. Neither is it more inconceivable than your idea of negating other ideas without "proof" that you're being sold a lie simply because you're not the fish the owner "took someplace else".

^^

@gray-beard:

orgive me but let me make the "four" empires clearer and more simple for readers -

Daniel spoke of 4 beasts (Dan 7)

1. A lion with wings - Babylon has been represented thru history as lion - proud and overbearing
2. A bear "raised" on one side - the Russian bear or medo Persian empire raised because the Persians were stronger than the medes
3. The leopard\cheetah - symbolising the speed of Alexander's triumphs. This animal had four heads symbolised by alexanders almost immediate death and his succession by his 4 generals
4 - the 4th terrible indescribable cruel beast - obviously Rome which remains the wort cruelest empire till date stamping on and destroying all in its path. This beast grew 10 heads ( the 10 tribes of Europe) but a little head grew out amidst them and uprooted 3 (the RCC destroyed 3 of these 10 tribes)

Consider when Daniel spoke and when these happened - these were the ONLY 4 empires that had connection to the Jews.

^

Very fine, thank you!

I do wonder - we all know faith\trust\personal _conviction is required to believe. How do you think an academic exercise will result to such?

But this thread will be fascinating IF the normal NL insanity does not take ove. Gray-Beard has some absolutely fascinating stuff using the prophecy\history angle and he is obviously mentally capable of presenting clearly. And he comes against another great mind. I just hope sentiments and the usual childish mentality of "I must win at all costs" does not obscure arguments here.

Goodluck (not the Nigerian type though)

This one pass popcorn and coke. They are "ro-ing" 3 congos of gari for me - that load no go gree me stand up even if I want. But I still want coke and popcorn

@graybeard:

You will provide my popcorn (igbo)

Watch out - your opponent has a left hook that will make you think you're a catfish

@mazaje:

Respects Sir - you will provide my coke (schnapps or sapele 49)

Be on guard - he'll smile as he skins you alive

LET THE CONTEST  BEGIN.

^^ of course he believes it - his brain was "expelled" 15 centuries ago.

@vedaxcool:

True, Necta is hilarious but I find allah much more hilarious - see the joke he is playing on you

1. Told you he's sending you all to hell
2. Called you ignorant donkeys who don't want to learn
3. Praised your greatest enemies as being learned and not proud
4. Told you in the quran that those of us who follow Jesus will be ahead of you.

The great deceiver has spoken - think about it

^^

Do you honestly expect the humor of a cretin called a donkey by HIS OWN god to be funny to a human being?

The reason why you think it is funnier is because you ALSO are a donkey and "birds"
(donkeys) of the same feather (idiocy) flock together

As you read this, you are angry at me and want to harm me - Yorubas will say "Esu fe ya'e lo" - which is to say " satan wishes to borrow you".

So tell me Donkey, does he want to "borrow" you truly? Or is it his implied suggestions that a wise person used as a proverb? That's exactly what happened in the Bible there. But how can donkeys, murderers, allah approved liars and pedophiles be expected to understand decency especially after knocking their brains loose?

Go eat some grass, you ignorant jackass

The braying of a donkey indicates it has seen a devil

But Allah also calls his worshippers ignorant donkeys

Which means "Necta" & "Shiabobo" keep "BRAYING" because they are seeing the devil nonstop (thus living with him) unknowing they are on the side of satan

Truly Allah (concerning his worshippers) is all-knowing.

@thehomer:

Stop the theatrics - was the story a "quote"? Was it Adeboye that wrote and\or published it? So how do you know that was all he said without words for your supposedly victimised midwifes and mothers?

Criticism when these people are wrong is one thing but "this" seems petty.

^^ this is disappointing - were people (anyone) happy when YOU were born? Was your birth celebrated or did they hide you from view?

I am MUCH MORE critical of these people than you, thehomer, yet what's wrong with celebrating a birth?

Or is it celebrating births that make him\them "problems"?

Plus the guy has a Ph.D I you think he'd be the midwife and cut the placenta with his teeth or shards from an empty bottle of Southern Comfort? I hold NO brief for Pastors (especially these guys) but there is nothing wrong with celebrating 80 births!

Na chicken Dem born?

This matter of hellfire being assured for all Muslims is really paining this guy.

Your new "reality" is throwing everything including your beard at us?

Bring them ONE by ONE and you will get educated. But for eacg you bring, will you allow us bring one too? Or will you start crying "they are insulting and mocking us" when we send you into fire right here on NL?

Next one please

@LagosShia:

After His crucifixion, Jesus came back - undefeatable because He had already conquered death and some of those who heard the promise above saw Him.

"he always spoke in proverbs when the crowds were there"- the "Glory" flesh expects is honor, riches, power etc whist with the Spirit, it is Glorious Righteous Eternity.

So I cannot blame your mistake. We have pastors who have no clue to the truth so "donkeys" can be excused

No wahala - I wil keep quiet about 100% - just stop the "challenges" and patronising!

My brother:

You have said NOTHING above aside ramble and produce links to the lying sites you all use since donkeys cannot face MEN with the brains they have.

Context ko, suicide bomber ni!

on Muhammed's fate, which should we believe?

Quran 46:9 - "Say: I am no bringer of new fangled doctrine amongst the Apostles nor do I know what will be done with me or with you"

And in hadith - by Allah (I swear) though I am the apostle of allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me"

But you don't believe hadith, abi?

If not, I would remind you that Bukhari tells us that the "prophet" said only 70,000 OR 700,000 of you Muslims (he was not sure which he heard) will get to paradise.

If true, what portion is that say, 700000, in the 1.2 billion on earth NOW talkless the billions who have died and who are to come? Gimme 2 reasons why you will be among them (if Bukhai is true). But you believe Bukhari is a lie sha  

Funny - it also says ALL black men are going to HELL

LagosShia has introduced the "victim" card. I just hate liars, whether Muslims or "make pretend Christians for the sake of money"

Where were you when Mr Necta was throwing challenges when I am 100% sure he has not even read the Koran well but goes trolling sites for daft arguments.

I kept trying to avoid proving it to him but he was dancing and calling me coward, demanding I become a Muslim because I could not refute him etc. Where were you?

I even still am saying shut up and I will leave you alone. But I know you won't. That's why I already called him donkey cos na so Dem no dey hear word. Now that the challenge has been taken, talk now! Its painful ehn? That's why it is always better to talk less and listen more. And please, ask questions - you will lear things that will shock you.

Until then, carry your "someone is insulting Islam" and go rebuke yourself - you live inside a glasshouse and you should avoid stones yet you carry catapults around flexing muscles like an archangel.

@LagosShia:

Anyone can call Christ what they want but both Bible and Koran that YOU believe in call Him a sinless perfect Character.

BOTH agree He is with God! B O T H your book and mine glorify Jesus!

But even your own Koran has Muhammed NOT sure of where his own destination is! In short, while the Koran is clear about the fate and status of Jesus, Muhammed's end is vague EVEN IN THE KORAN abi you want to "challenge" me on that too?

@Frosbel:

It wasn't me that called them donkeys - its their own literature! You can ask Sweetnecta for confirmation. Shows how much love there is from allah

@Sweetnecta:

Whether it includes Jinns is NOT my problem but yours - your "challenge" was to show that ALL Muslims would go to "Fire" and that is what I have shown above. In your OWN words above, you have NOW admitted that ALL men including Muslims will go to hellfire. Just as I said and you EARLIER lied about! Liars = thieves=murderers! And of course, you have also shown you cannot be trusted - I have demanded - NO MORE THAN 5 LINES PER POST!

But let me educate you more -> only those who die in Jihad can "escape" that fire (according to your Koran). But Muhammed himself did not die in Jihad. So where is he now?

I am driving and parked just so you see this. It should tell you a lot about how much I know. Talk to you later, donkey!

The point is he told you to see the knowledge that will clarify things to you from JEWS & CHRISTIANS!

And you stating the rubbish you have done here shows you need it. And, even if Jesus was abusing His followers by telling them them were being "used" by the devil and thus, were effectively "devil" (since it was the devil's character showing), at least He taught them to seek good things and be good. Not to change wives anyhow or search for sex in "paradise" or sleep with babies or "thigh" them!

Where are they? Trolling Al-Taqiyah sites looking for lies or ways to distract from the truth, ehn?

I have other things to do, abeg!

^^ arguing with these people can make someeone blow a gasket from laughter. So Jesus rebuking pharisees, sinners and correcting His Disciples was "talking" to the Christian person?

Jesus praying means He faced east or beat His head on the floor 5 times etc?

I resign

@Frosbel:

Which one is worse in your estimation? These "donkeys" or our "Christian" goats?

Lying Donkey:

Maryam ko, Abudu ni!

You thought I didn't know enough to buttress my assertion and kept screaming Chapter 3 alone, abi? I have read your Koran at least 12 times. At LEAST! But you don't have to believe me _ just try me. And we don't "lie" for "gods".

We will still visit other issues O - I am tired of you people exposing ignorance as knowledge and God grant me time - you wil slink away like the liar you are. But shut up and I will leave you alone

The only thing you can do is say the Arabic is different which will only prove you a greatter liartr since it was YOUR people that translated it

I "get" small time for you today sef! Where is the boastful windbag that said I should "demand" what I want from the fanatical lying follower of a lie?

What does Surah 19:71 & 72 say -"There is NONE of you that shall NOT go there (hell) - this is the judgement your lord has purposed! Then we shall saver those who fear allah and we shall leave the evil doers in the fire on their knees"

So, tell me NOW what is "purposed" for you, windbag?

But wait - let me even go further. What does verses 68 & 69 say? "We (allah) shall gather them together and also the devils; then we shall bring them round hell on their knees. Then indeed we shall drag out from every sect all those who were worst in obstinate rebellion"

From the above, where is allah himself if not insid the fire with you windbags dragging you after himself inside hellfire?

You don see where Bible talk of God Almighty or Jesus inside fire before?

Don't vex me today please - just generally listen to Frosbel because he is only showing you truth. Meanwhile, we know your problem is fear - Surah 5:101 " O ye who believe (Muslims). Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble"! Wetin them dey fear to insist that you should not seek the truth? Ehn? Answer me, windbag!

Compare to Jesus "you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free".

MY DESIRE - since the above is proof you cannot avoid hell if you follow Islam, is that, just please shut up and stop posting the long pointless senseless annoying monologues you post. Any post that is more than 5 lines is hereby banned from YOU!

Happy now? And I never start - cos I educated myself unlike "DONKEYS"!

^^

Live like Muhammad -> lying (Al-taqiyah etc), raping, theft and murder

Fight like Ali -> yes, champ whose brain was shaken loose & THEN, he switched to Islam (proof of loose brains)

Die like Saddam _> yep, hide in a hole in the ground, reviled by his own people, hung as a criminal.

ANYWAY, I was speaking to the right windbag. For those who have "understanding", Paradise is being as it were, in the presence of God, feeling His Grace, filled by His Glory. There is another paradise description which is confused as paradise as the previous but refers to heaven, the "true" as it were, above of heavenly beings.

Which is where you people miss it - being blinded by your delusions, you refuse to educate yourselves. What you do is sit in idiocy revelling in your low IQs and thinking that what a true God wants is for you to hit head against ground. Even Muhammad himself told you to go to those who are your "betters - "learned men, Jews and Christians, people who apply themselves to study and reasoning" OR DIDN'T HE? Why because he knew they (we) educate ourselves before talking.

And why did he feel you need education? Because, AS HE HIMSELF (allah) DESCRIBED YOU, you are IGNORANT unwilling-to-learn goatish brutish animals, best compared to "what" - "DONKEYS"! Your own books say that and you should take that advice and stop showing the empty spaces between your ears. The fact that your own religion points you to the truth will reveal to you that you have NO excuse on the judgement day.

Paradise is "God's presence" and not a physical place- its like saying an "org.asm" is the space between Hajiya "Mrs sweetnectar"s legs rathe than whereever you experience it - I know that example will hit home since that is your life ambition

@Frosbel:

Was actually puzzled at the title of your thread but thank God, you just wanted to clarify the truth - the "end-time revival" is that of the enemy trying to deceive; most will fall but those who remain faithful and do not worship the false prophet and beast that sent him will be saved.

Truly, God is calling His own out of Babylon and true worshippers will do so in spirit and truth, not with fine fancy words seeking treasures in this world and denying the Cross. The Old time Religion that included denial and looking to the coming world was good enough for the Apostles and is good enough for those who belong to God

@pastor Kun:

Nothing wrong with the announcement - would you prefer them to announce that 80 people died? Safe delivery is something ALL of us celebrate and thank whatever we serve for so Adeboye didn't do anything untoward

Its difficult to take you serious - because you are a habitual liar and remind me of the history of another man who said one thing while planning another. A turncoat murderer. A philandering criminal who didn't even respect the sanctity of family.

Of course, you will challenge "from Koran ONLY" but tomorrow, Bukhari will be applicable when you need it. But we both know "the messenger" explained death as coming with hellfire in Sahih al-Bukhari, vol. 1, Book 12, Numbr 770. and vol. 8, Book 76, Number 542.

All the rubbish you wrote about Eden means exactly "naught". You do NOT have understanding because you have been blinded by the god of this world. Plus you helped him too with all the head banging on the floor - it has shaken your "tools" loose and your thinking is impaired

Very recently, I told you were no more than a flatulent windbag and everything you say proves it- I should accept a challenge?? Why can't you people think of other things except fighting, trouble, challenges?

I should name my desire if you lose?? Lose what again after you have been promised hellfire? Even funnier - how can someone win against someone who says Adam and Eve are in the garden of Eden = there will be dancing and gluttony in paradise. Did you go to school at all? When did Eden become paradise? Nobody has right to be as donkey-headed as you are - your people should put you in a cage. Haba!

May allah "make" you victorious What does that mean? You will start searching for interpretations that suit someone who knows he is going to hellfire? Or maybe I should say someone who knows "some (all)" of those who believes what he believes are "designed" for fire?? Al-taquiyah (religion where lies strenghten "reality".

Sorry I just keep imagining you thinking (and composing your thoughts forever like you do on NL while dancing inside allah's fire) CHEI, I WAS FOOLED.

You are assured of fire, friend and while you see Frosbel as an enemy, he is only trying to save you from eternal regret. "Mo" is burning - do you want to go join him?

Friend:

Please go back and help him (if he will listen). But remember what brought him down is pride so do not imagine henceforth that you are always right and him always wrong.

But you don't seem proud so you should be alright