You won't see delusional nyamuri flat.heads on this thread, if they had only put the same energy castigating Lagos, kaduna, tinubu and Buhari, into their HIV/erosion ravaged area, it would have been like Dubai
The way they insult and call north backwards, ull think their potopoto region is like Dubai.. look at that thing like witch doctor leftover sacrifice!
Definitely!! If you belong to a state then your destiny belongs that specific state, unless you move and leave to another state, why do you think there are political asylum and exile seekers? That's bcuz they can't change the political realities, constitution, rules and regulation governing a country or state they belong to, hence they have to leave.. this is the scenario the minority MB find themselves in
you can't change a situation if your the minority by force or coercion, you can only do it through dialogue.. MB agitators are minority in tribe and religion, hence it will be very hard for them to ever have their way..unless through mutual understanding
Tiv, Berom, junkun etc will not have a problem aligning with the south and MB agitators, bcuz they are the majority and rule their respective state, both religiously and ethnicity.. we can even use the presidential and gubernatorial election as case study, but remove kwarra, Kogi, Niger and maybe Nasarawa out of ur equation, bcuz these states are bound by religion
It will be easy for Yoruba to get kwarra, bcuz the state is ruled and cultured Yoruba, so they have everything in common, but they will never join the MB agitators bcuz they don't share anything in common
Who the Bleep is John Danfulani!!! Mtswws!! How is he relevant in the scheme of things, what influence and clout those he have? Bcuz he said Sk will join Biafra doesn't mean anything to us, referendum will be done on geographical or state-to-state basis, the likes of SK and Danfulani don't have the numbers and population to defeat hausa/fulani in kaduna state, using presidential and gubernatorial election as case study
" Nobody from another tribe can decide what people from another tribe want", its true, bcuz referendum will be done on state-to-state basis, not tribe-to-tribe.. I dare you mention one country that got their independence base on tribe?
the core north has very little influence on minority tribe like tiv, berom etc in MB bcuz these tribes are the majority in their state and rule it, hence they can wish to align with whomever they feel like, but minority tribes in kebbi, SK, gombe, bauchi, adamawa etc, don't have a say bcuz they are the minority in their respective state, so any of their agitation will be defeated and DOA
Nowenuse: In your small mind, You think because someone belongs to a state, then their destinies are tied to people of that state? You must be very myopic to think this way.
In Kogi state for instance, the Okun (Yoruba) people of Kogi west are not culturally tied to the Ebira & Igalas. They belong and participate in different national Yoruba groups. OPC has their branch in Kogi west. Go and declare war against them and watch all the Yorubas from the Southwest come in to defend their own. If Yorubas are going for a referendum today, do you think they will leave the Okuns behind because Igalas & Ebiras don't want a referendum?
It's like you don't know that in Nigeria, most people owe their loyalties to their ethnic groups before their states ba?
If the Gbagyis, Kamukus & Kadaras of Niger east decide that they want to form one national sociocultural body, a political party or a national pressure group with Southern Kaduna and Plateau tribes. What then is the business of Nupe or Zaria people? If they decide that they now want to identify under one identity and jointly fight for a cause nationally, will Zaria people go and stop them? You are talking like a child.
When John Danfulani went to meet Nnamdi Kanu in Igbo land and told him that if Nigeria divides, Southern Kaduna will go with Biafra, can someone from Zaria come out to shut him up? Of course not, because he never said Kaduna state will go with Biafra, he said Southern Kaduna and this has no business with the Hausa fulanis of Zaria.
How does an agitation of Zuru people in Kebbi south affect the Hausa fulanis of Kebbi north? Will the Hausas leave their villages to go and meet the Zuru people in their villages and tell them not to agitate? I just don't understand your point.
In Nigeria, people's hearts lie with their ethnic groups and affiliations and not some stupid states.
If it ever comes to a referendum with our people, it will be based on ethnic groups. Every ethnic group will decide where they belong and this is not going to be the business of Hausa or fulani people or Yorubas or anyone else. Everybody knows his or her ethnic group and homeland. Nobody from another tribe can decide what people from another tribe want.
If you cannot get this into your thick skull, then I give up.
Hashanah your literally in an illusion and hallucinating in another dimension far from reality, if you think religion is not the main motive, reason and cause in people aligning and merging with different tribes and ethnicity to protect their interest
Why is the rotation of presidency base on religion not tribe?
Why did APC reject the potential Muslim/Muslim ticket of Buhari and Tinubu if not of religion?
Why most the president and VP be from different religion?
Why do nupe, igala, ebira, kanuri, align with the core north even tho they have different tribe and culture, if not cause of religion?
The more we delve into our discussion, the more I deduce your clearly ignorant and lossing steam.. I feel like its more of a class in session, giving u free lesson.. count any minority tribe dominated by Muslims out of ur equation, bcuz they will always side with the core north bcuz of religious aspect
Tafawa Balewa/Bogoro, is a Christian dominated area, that for certain I know, I think that's where Yakubu Dagora comes from.. hausas don't need to go to Zar to dictate to them whether to join MB agitators or not, bcuz that's not how its done.. they can only join you base on referendum, not alignment.. Why I said that is bcuz, alignment will be impossible bcuz they are the minority group in bauchi state, so any attempt will automatically be shout down by the larger tribe and group, which is hausa/fulani e.g gubernatorial and preaidential election as case study
referendums, are only done base on geographical region e.g. USSR, brexit, Czechoslovakia, S/Sudan..not on a specific area in a country or state, that's why Catalunya, Checenya, Alaska, S/Cameroon etc are founding it very hard to seceed is bcuz they are the minority in their region and found it hard to vote agaisnt the overall majority in the region.. they are in the same predicament like the MB!
This is why the minority tribes you keep calling and mentioning can never be a threat to the core north, from any angle u come from, its DOA. . I know you hate to admit it but this is the truth
For the last time. The group I belong to does not care about anybody's state or religion. Your ethnic group is what matters and your desire to choose your own destiny. Whether you think Niger, Nasarawa or Adamawa is a muslim state is your own business and not ours. It belongs to your pocket only.
Every smaller northern minority ethnic group who speaks hausa as a 2nd language and has a desire to establish it's identity is by default part of us.
Take Bauchi state for instance, it is an 80% muslim state with Hausas & fulanis and many dozen tribes. Most of the minority tribes in the state have sold their identities to the caliphate and no longer care. However, you have the Sayawa (Zar) people of Tafawa Balewa/Bogoro who have mainted their unique identity. These people share a boundary with Plateau state. They are part and parcel of us. Now, can Hausas leave Bauchi town or Azare and go to Zar land to tell them not to join such a progressive movement? Hell no.
Zar people are Zar. They have no business with hausa fulanis or the other hausanized tribes of Bauchi state on the views they decide for themselves. They are not an enclave in Hausa land.
As simple as ABC. Every tribe knows his or her boundaries and what he/she decide for themselves.
The only people's support I think my people should care about are the Tivs & Idomas of Benue state, because without them, we have no direct land boundary to Southern Nigeria, unless through Cameroon.
And here is your final blow. The overwhelming majority of ethnic groups in the areas I mentioned that are circled in red will be very glad to belong to a regional movement as such.
Of course, the only people that will be against it are the Hausa fulani and Kanuri settlers in our midst. But sadly for them, they are not even part of the union and they are very insignificant as far as the union is concerned.
Of course there will be agents of the caliphate from some ethnic groups who based on religion will want to reject membership. Sadly for them, 98% of the ethnic groups within the geographical area are predominantly christian or a 50/50. An Alago muslim for example cannot come out and speak against it because his own fellow Alago christians will come out to challenge him. So, definitely, the use of religion to manipulate things will fail. Alagos may have the highest muslim population in Nasarawa state for instance, but half of them are christians and the christians from that ethnic group will not stand to watch agents of the caliphate distract them from such a lovely union. The Kanuri settlers of Lafia will have their say in the matter, but it will not count because it does not concern them
Your clearly delusional to say the least!! There is know difference in the way ur projecting and making your analysis, your just using a different tactics and nomenclature to propagate your argument.. your not making any sense and logic in this debate, what's the difference you and him when you keep attaching base lead numbers and percentage? How do you expect a layman to verify and ascertain your claims?
Again with the myopic and imbecilic bullshit meant for the birds!! your obvious hate for the north will soon drive you to the market, when did the north "reject the inclusion of ethnic and religion in our census..this profound proclamation is not far from bear parlour gist, deprived from too much Alomo intake.. do you have any reference to it, or is it part of ur concocted and fabricated stories?
Central Intelligence Agency(CIA), has hausa/fulani and Islam as the dominant tribe and religion in Nigeria, so what's the essence of rejecting a census when the truth and reality is out there for all to see, or did the CIA rigged for the north too?
this is the fourth time I'm providing a link and evidence to verify my claims, I expect you to do that too.. but u rather through some incoherent tribes and attach baseless numbers and percentages to it.. You make an argument, you should provide cogent evidence and authenticity , I'm not the one that is supposed to do that for you
You want me to use Google to get a bigger picture of ur skewed analysis, but you have failed to use the same Google to provide any link or evudence since we started this debate to vindicate yourself
Using Facebook is not an authentic avenue or perimeter to deduce and attest the "ethno-religious demography" of a place, I just disproved that in the other debate we had.. for example, the MB group your in that analyzed buhari will lose, had a 80% Christians participants, base on ur logic to use Facebook, then one would have thought 80% of inhabitants of MB are Christians, which we all know its not true and legit info!
Another example, if an American uses Facebook to examine and study the population of Nigeria, he might think Yoruba or Igbo are the majority, since they are the ones using Facebook the most, but we all know this is not true.. so your reference to Google and Facebook is DOA and stupidity, bcuz it can't be reliable
Time without number, you have failed to understand the genesis and moral of my argument!! it has nothing to do with taraba, adamawa or minority groups.. our debate started base on what I confirm as hausa/fulani and Islam being the dominant tribe and religion in MB.. can you disprove that?
I don't know the debate ur having with other monikers, but ours was base on MB
Nowenuse: Nyamuri, can you see what your fellow abokii did? See how he is breaking down Taraba quite well, just because he met 2 people from there. Now imagine if he had met at least 20 people of different religions and tribes who gave him their different pictures of the makeup of the state, he would be able to juxtapose everything together and come to a better point.
Don't be a foôl to ask for references backing up the ethno-religious demography of a place. The core north rejected the inclusion of ethnicity and religion in our 2006 census because they do not want to be exposed.
If you truly want to know the ethno-religious demography of a place, you can ask multiple natives of that place who are knowledgeable to help you out. In a place that is mixed with different tribes and religion, make sure you ask people from different tribes and religions, unless you may get a skewed picture, because everyone will try to glorify his own ethnic group and religion over the others.
Secondly, use google, facebook, youtube! Search for news events from that LGA, search for the name of the ethnic group and events surrounding them, check for their traditional rulers. Check for the political leaders and political contenders of elections in that place. Use the names of their traditional/political leaders to search on facebook for people who have such similar names and check their affiliations. You can also use foreign sources like ethnologue. Although ethnologue has very outdated figures. However it will tell you the names of LGAs that tribe are found. It will also give you the alternative names. Also, you can travel a lot.
For example, I used to think that Afo people in Nasarawa state were overwhelmingly muslims, until I was able to follow the 'Afo national union day' and I saw the huge number of christians in the crowd. And not just that alone, also, for every Afo muslim person that was mentioned and honored, there was a christian too.
Also, I used to think the Babye people of Nasarawa were mostly christians, not until I joined their facebook group and I saw huge numbers of muslims who were proud to be Babye.
Look at this video below. This is a dance from the women of Rindre (Nungu) who are the majority tribe in Wambai LGA, Nasarawa state and minority in Sanga LGA (Gwantu) of Southern Kaduna. This is the tribe that the female deputy governor of Kaduna came from. From their dressing, you can see that about half of them are muslims and about half are not.
Do not be foolish enough to wait for anybody to spoonfeed you with references especially when it comes to the demographic makeup of middlebelt areas or any other part of Nigeria you don't know. If you want to know, you can know.
You keep going in the same circle, rotating on the same point time without numbers!! U seem to be in a maze that has u confused . I'm not debunking or contradicting the fact that there are minority ethnic tribes in any of the same you listed, of course there is!!
What I'm saying is that, all these minority tribes from those specific states, don't have the influence, clout and strenght to successfully agitate for their course
The majority of tribe in Kebbi state are hausa/fulani, who are Muslims
The majority of tribes in kaduna state are hausa/fulani, who are Muslims
The majority tribes in Niger state are nupe/hausa, who are Muslims
The majority of tribes in bauchi, adamawa and gombe are hausa/fulani, who are Muslims
So, I wonder how you will get the numeric number or influence to help your course, no state will foolish look at you while you do that.. I always alight when I see middle belt elders issue empty propaganda that MB is not part of the north.. You simple don't have the population to effect that!
You guys should look at this map below carefully. These are all the areas I am talking about encircled within red. The problem with you guys is that you have never sat down with a map to see how the places are. Someone was asking me how does Southern Kebbi connect to Southern Borno, well, there is it on the map. Southern Kebbi shares boundary with Eastern Niger which shares boundary with Southern Kaduna. Southern Kaduna shares boundary with Nasarawa & Plateau which both share boundary with Taraba. Taraba shares boundary with Southern Gombe and Adamawa which both share boundary with Southern Borno. Simple as ABC. Taraba itself almost shares boundary with Cross River in the South-South.
Now I dare all of you to go and check the indigenous ethnic groups in all these areas encircled in red and tell me how many of them are predominantly muslim.
There are about 150-200 ethnic groups in all these encircled areas and apart from the Hausa-fulani settlers in these areas, only like 5-10 ethnic groups in that circle can claim muslim majority. The rest are mostly christians.
We are not concerned about the population of Hausa fulanis, Kanuris, Nupes or whoever outside these areas. This is our area of focus and Hausa fulanis are not the majority within these areas. Chikena.
Lastly, you guys keep on talking about muslims being majority in Niger, Kwara, Kogi and Nasarawa hence they cannot be with us.
See, i do not care about these places except Nasarawa and parts of Niger. This movement of ours is made only for the smaller minority tribes who speak hausa as a 2nd language. Nupes, Ebiras, e.t.c do not fall here and I don't care about them. We have no cultural similarities with them.
Kwara is a majority Yoruba state. They are going along with their fellow yorubas, so they don't even belong to the middlebelt in the first place.
with just some part of nasarawa and Niger state siding with you(as you claim), it is quite obvious and vivid that you guys are in the very minority to tilt the scale in ur own favor in terms of anything.. how can you align with the south if your the minority and lack the numerous clout and influence to do that, do you really understand what ur saying??
What you fail to understand, is that, alignment, referendum and independence are done base on majority votes caste.. so how do you intend to garner most of the votes of MB, Niger and nasarawa state which are all Muslim dominated state that share "culture and religion" with the north.. be realistic with yourself, ur agitation is DOA
I would have been scared and worried if IBB or Abdulsalam say that, bcuz they have the influence and reach, but certainly not your people!! Or how do you intend to convince the majority of Muslims in MB that share same culture and religion to vote agaisnt their brothers?
I agree kwarra is a Yoruba state, but since when did they start agitating!! I have never heard of that! What I know is there issue with fulani, but they have never agitated with in support of minority tribe
I have notice that you like looping every minority group into your fathom and imaginary "MB agitation" even without their perior knowledge .. You called omenka and Bafanabafana Muslims bcuz they only didn't agree with you, not every minority group want an alliance and alignment with south bro!
As for Nasarawa state. Are you people aware that Buhari lost Nasarawa state in 2011 & 2015 elections? Of course he rigged and won in 2019. Muslims dominate governorship in Nasarawa state because the largest christian tribe in the state (the Eggons) are disliked by people from other tribes and both christians and muslims from other tribes vote against them. Even their cousins (the Madas) who are mostly christian and the 3rd largest tribe in the state vote against them.
There are about 30 tribes in Nasarawa state and apart from the Hausa fulani & Kanuri settlers in the state, only the Egbura & Akyekura (Jukun) are predominantly muslim. And these tribes are not even among the top 5 in the state.
Eggon, Alago, Mada, Gbagyi, Gwandara, Afo, Migili, Nungu, Akyekura & Tivs. These are most likely the 10 largest tribes in Nasarawa state.
Eggon, Mada & Gbagyi are 80% christian or more. Tivs & Migili are over 98% christian, but Tivs are regarded as settlers in the state, but is argued.
Alago, Afo, Gwandara & Nungu are a 50/50. While Akyekura (Awe) are over 90% muslims.
All the remaining tribes are christians except for Agatu, Ekye, Bassa & Babye who are 50/50 and Egbura who are predominantly muslim.
Hausa fulanis and Kanuris in the state are a minority, but if combined together, they should be like number 7, after Afo people.
Lastly, Igbos and Southernerns are now very very many in Nasarawa state, because of the development of Abuja (Karu) into Karu (Nasarawa) and both Karu in Abuja and Nasarawa are predominantly christian.
So, I don't know where you guys get this your claiming Nasarawa to be against the middlebelt comes from. It is very very strange.
Nasarawa state is a peculiar state in terms of national politics bcuz of the composition of religion, that's why I often leave it out of consideration even when im analysing MB politics. Lol. It's funny how elections are only rigged when it's not in ur favour
Buhari lossing twice in Nasarawa doesn't indicate anything, bcuz of how the religion is almost 50/50
You keep mentioning tribes, attaching numbers, statistics and percentages to it, since the start of our debate in this thread, you have been doing that without any evidence and proof to back it up!!!! Stop disturbing me with concocted tribes and numbers if you won't attach a link to it so I can verify, everybody can make these stupid claims
I don't know much about Nasarawa state apart from couple of friends that came from there, if you want to convince me, then you have to do way better than concocting and fabricating baseless numbers to a tribe
Also, let me burst your bubble about Kogi state! Igalas (who are the largest tribe in the state) are 50/50 or now even predominantly christian. The current Attah of Igala (head of the Igalas and Kogi state traditional council) is a christian and he is a strong pro-middlebelter. He supports the middlebelt agitation a lot. He banned the use of Hausa turbans among all Igala kings and royal houses and re-established the connection between his people and the Aku-Uka of Wukari. The former Attah who was a muslim used to tie a turban like an Emir.
I don't care about the composition of the religion of various tribes, I didn't argue on that, all I'm saying is that kogi state is a majority Muslim state and you can't disprove that!
You said "The current Attah of Igala (head of the Igalas and Kogi state traditional council) is a christian", this doesn't proof anything, bcuz u can use the same argument by saying all the permanent political Igala elites that governed Kogi state are Muslims, so what's ur point?
You said "he is a strong pro-middlebelter. He supports the middlebelt agitation a lot.", your a pathelogical and pathetic lier!! I dare you to show me 1 link, statement or evidence he made in support of MB agitation.. You keep concocting, fabricating and interpolating lies thinking I'm a illiterate
So what if he banned the use of turban, I don't see anything wrong or amiss with it, is he a hausa/fulani or an emir, obviously not.. he has his culture, so why will he mimic another one!?!?
The shehu of borno doesn't dress as an emir, the etsu of nupe doesn't dress like an emir, does that make it not a majority Muslim state??.. so whats ur point?, there is nothing wrong if they don't want to dress like an emir, bcuz that's not their culture.. even tho I know this one ofbur made up stories!
As for Niger east. David Umaru (their longtime senator) is the most respected leader there. Infact most of the Gbagyi leaders in Niger east are christians. The Gbagyis, Kamukus, Koros & Kadaras of Niger east are 60% christian. The Hausa settlers in the state have been using religion to gain power in the state. Divide Niger state into three Nupe (Niger south), Gbagyi (Niger east) & Kainji (Niger north) and the power of Hausa settlers will disappear.
what's the basis and moral of ur argument, that Christians are majority in Niger state?
Nowenuse: In that post of mine which you are quoting, I clearled agreed that Atiku can never win Niger state, cos I knew many Niger people were not part of the forum. Of course, many Nupes and other Niger muslims do not join middlebelt groups. Likewise the Yorubas of Kwara & Kogi. But Igalas & Ebiras were well represented in those names in the comments. So, I want you to add the votes of Plateau, Nasarawa, FCT, Benue & Kogi in the last election and tell me who won between Buhari & Atiku.
Atiku won in all these areas combined of course, even with all the rigging. So my prediction never lied. The rigging only reduced the percentage.
2ndly, my telling you to go to facebook and check tribal groups of middlebelt tribes has nothing to do with a regional group based on an agitation. If you go to check an Igala group on facebook for instance. You will see Igalas of all religions and hometowns there. All Igalas know that they are Igalas and cherish the identity. So, it will be a good representation. So, please you have no point here. If I make an assertion with facts, kindly refute it with facts as well. You cannot refute a good ethno-religious breakdown based on election results. That is poor.
lol. I see how your desperately looking for a way out of the maze u entangled urself into.. these are exactly ur words, and I quote
"I pity for those who think that most middlebelters will vote for Buhari because he is from the North and we are called North-central.
"The only state Buhari can win in the middlebelt is Niger state"
"APC is leaving the entire North-central next year."
Lol. Who are you fooling? These are exactly ur comments, the internet doesn't lie nor forgets.. the only exception you made was Niger state, after generalizing that APC/buhari won't win the MB, now ur shamelessly trying to cherry-pick some specific state and tribes.. or is nasarawa, kogi, Niger and kwarra that Buhari not part of MB anymore
You even said "Governor Lalong, you are packing your bags back to Shendam next year" , did that come to pass too? .. All your predictions have been defeated, You can only fool southerners, but not us
Hahah fool!! You think ur debating with a illiterate
Muslims bring out underaged children to vote in elections or do you also want me to prove this to you? I can show you. But can you ever show me any proof of underage christians voting? Abeg we know all these things.
I have shown you instances where muslims win elections in christian dominated areas, can you show me one place in the entire north where a christian won an election in a muslim majority area since 1999? I am talking of local politics and not presidency elections.
Muslims carry the blind, the lame, the deaf, the old and frail to go and vote, people are carried on wheelchair to vote. Should I show you the pictures? They are all over the internet. Can you show me that happening among christians?
These and more should clearly tell us the truth about who take elections more seriously.
Also, should we post the PVC collection list and Voters turn out list (against registered voters) and let us see who has the highest? Abegi. Stop deceiving yourself.
This is why I believe that other people have no business in sharing one country with Hausa fulanis. People who take elections more serious than education.
I'm talking about the percentage of voters that voted for Ashiru in Christian dominated area of kaduna state, which is SK, not south Nigeria in general.. do you reason logically or rationally at all before u spew trash, or are you telling me Muslim underage voters rigged for El-rufai in Christian dominated LG like Zango kataf, kajuru, kuara, jaba, jeme'a etc which Ashiru got over 70% votes!! How will that be possible if they rigged in favor of El-rufai? Ur contradicting urlself
Ashiru got 87,546 in Zango kataf and 63,124 in jeme'a (predominantly Christian areas), while, he only got 28,624 in his LG kudan... El-rufai only defeated Ashiru kudan by 234,130 votes!!
All these statistics and your telling me SK did not take the election serious.. are you trying to be a nuisance or what!! Bcuz clearly this is getting embrassing
If you say there are underage voters that's rigged for El-rufai, then logically his margin of victory should have been way higher than what he got, why was that not the case.. Lol. You keep using ur own argument against urself
Can you please mention the name of the Kanuri village or community in Plateau or Adamawa? What is the name of their district head or traditional ruler? That friend of yours must be one of the settlers in Jos who call themselves Jasawa.
If your friend said he was from Nasarawa state, then it is understandable, because we have the Kambaris of Lafia in Nasarawa state (who are descendants of Kanuri immigrants). They have been in Lafia for like 200 years now (more than 6 generations).
You see these LGAs? Askira-Uba, Chibok, Biu, Kwaya Kusar, Hawul, Gwoza, Shani. These are LGAs in Southern Borno which seperate Adamawa from Kanuri LGAs. These places I listed in Borno state do not even have Kanuri indigenes, let alone Adamawa state.
See, I am taking my time to type lengthy words, I don't want to waste it on ignorance. Go and make proper inquiries before you come here to make assertions abeg. I cannot be spoonfeeding your ignorance everywhere.
My bro, Nowenuse.. I have clearly schooled you since this debate started, ur running out of ideas and desperately clinging to straws, you keeping going around the same circle, sort of a hula hoop .. all ur good at is attaching numbers and percentages to tribes and states without bringing any tangible and concrete evidence to validate ur argument.. everybody can make insinuation, but its useless till u back it up with proof
I have showed you and indicated my evidence twice with a link attached to it, but ur still insisting and denying without any authentic document, link or publication to support your argument
I want a link or publication to support ur claim that there are no kanuri in Adamawa and platue, just like how I provided you one.. not all these useless English, grammar, tribes, numbers you keep attaching!! It means nothing to me!!
In the court of law, we use evidence not sentiments or emotions.. until you can present it, don't quote me again with baseless jargons
Kanuris are only found as indigenes in Borno north & Central + Damboa (Borno south), in Yobe north & central and in few LGAs in Jigawa and Bauchi north. Then the immigrants in Lafia. Chikena. Anywhere else you find them, they are not indigenes! Kajiko?
raybaba97: Tribal bigots ruined the other thread for us, so I made this one because I wish to educate others on how we Yoruba Ijaws came to be.
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Ondo State is unique because we are a lot like the mid-belt region of Nigeria. hmm There are so many tribes in Ondo state that it is ridiculous, and many believe this is why the ekitis could leave the state so easily.
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I'm not here to talk of other tribes though, I'm here to talk about the Ijaw Apois and ijaw arogbo.
these two groups are the indigenous ijaw groups of Ondo state.
l myself am from Gbekebo, and I'm an Ijaw apoi by extraction.
From the way my father described it to me, we migrated from one of the ijaw state to the Lagos coastal areas hundreds of years ago.
During the slave trade era however, a lot of us moved to the Ondo coastal areas to escape capture and to farm.
those farms gradually built-up as more family members moved in and we eventually occupied what is today recognized as Apoi land. This is why we speak a dialect of Yoruba with a mix of our original ijaw dialect.
I hear the Ijaw arogbos however migrated directly from bayelsa to start living with us apois once our community was prospering. which is why they still retain their original dialect from bayelsa.
Keep in mind that this is a guess, but I'll say we make about 7-12% of Ondo state's population.
this is a ridiculous percentage when you consider that there are over 15 recognized tribes in Ondo state alone.
We don't control the state because the Ondo, Ilaje, and owo people wield more influence than us. we are however the fourth most influential group in the region.
the only reason Akeredolu even became governor is because his deputy is an ijaw man. By the normal arrangements, the next governor will come either from us, the akure people, or from the Ikales.
the majority of us see ourselves as just another Yoruba tribe because of how long we've stayed there, but recognize our own uniqueness enough to distinguish ourselves.
To the average Ondo ijaw man, we are both Yoruba and Ijaw.
Hahaha thx for amplifying it, that's what I'm trying to tell him all this while.. he thinks the middle belt is made up of benue and platue only, whenever they issue a statement, ull only see the likes of Joseph tarka, Jerry gana etc making it a Christian affair.. one wonders if there are any Muslims in middle belt
Or maybe kwarra, kogi, nasarawa and Niger are not in MB
fk002: I didn't bother to read what you were yabbing about but your last paragraph caught my attention. How is you and your people opinion on Arewa relevant on the scheme of Nigerian politics? Arewa is naturally diverse culturally, if you are saying that you ain't Arewa how on earth will you be able to carve out your imaginary middle belt? I don't think it will ever be possible, when the likes of Nasarawa, Niger, Kwara, and kogi have something in common with North "Religion".
Hahaha watch him claim ur a hausa/fulani/muslim bcuz you defer
BafanaBafana: Dude, I'm from Benue, a full blooded Idoma and El Rufai is my mentor. If not for hearsay, nobody has a reason to hate Elrufai. An on the struggle you were talking about, you guys are strictly on your own
It's funny How ur talking about constitution now, ur using your own hand to hurt yourself, where in the constitution did it talk about a right to referendum, obviously non.. so that means you can't get a referendum , since you using the same constitution in ur argument
Align with the south for what? can you elaborate more bcuz ur a bit vague.. is it politically? If that's the case, then it's nothing new bcuz for a long time, benue and platue have been on the same page with the south, i have no problem or argument on that.. May issue is when you try to generalize the whole MB, that I takI an exception!! Since the inception of Nigeria, kogi, kwarra, nasarawa and Niger, have always aligned with the north politically
You keep talking about how these tribes are this and that, I don't know the percentage of minority tribes in MD that are Christians, whether if it's 60% or not, that's not the bone of contention!!
All I'm saying Muslims are the majority in MB.. in kogi, kwarra, nasarawa and Niger.. so it will be very hard to align with the south at the expense of those states I mentioned
Let me make it simple for you, in a layman's level... if their is a referendum in MB today to join the south, there is no way ur people can win bcuz majority religion is Islam and we know how votes are casted base on religion
Can u disprove that,
Nowenuse: Referendum can be based on ethnic groups too! Geopolitical zones are an artificial creation of yesterday. They are not in our constitution and hold no water. In 1956, all northern minorities under the middlebelt umbrella requested for a unique independent region from the British before independence. The documents are still there. Mind you, by that time there was nothing like North-central or Northeast. From Borno south down to Zuru (Kebbi south) were considered as middlebelt.
Besides, when did I tell you that my people will vote in a referendum? I said we will allign with the South. How does that translate to a referendum?
All the areas I mentioned for you share boundary with one another and Nasarawa/Taraba share boundary with Benue state which has a massive boundary with SE & SS, so what exactly are you talking about?
You people just sit down to call places you do not know the demographic composition.
Do you think the Eggons, Mada, Migili, Nungu, Gbagyi in Nasarawa state are any different from their neighbours in Plateau or Southern Kaduna? Or you think because many Nasarawa people are muslims?
Let me burst your bubble. There are about 30 indigenous tribes in Nasarawa state and apart from the Hausa-fulani & Kanuri settlers in Nasarawa state, almost every other tribe in the state is predominantly christian or a 50/50.
Eastern Niger is owned by Gbagyis, Koros, Kamukus & Kadaras. All these tribes are also found in Southern Kaduna, Nasarawa & FCT and they are 60% christian. What do you think will seperate them from their brothers & sisters in neighbouring areas?
Kebbi south is dominated by the Lelna (Zuru or Dakarkari) and they are a predominantly christian people. They have always been part of Niger province right from colonial times, but they were wrongly removed and merged with Kebbi. They and the Kambaris & Dukawa of Eastern Niger north also share same cultures and values with the rest of us and will gladly join the rest of us in our struggle.
Very soon, you will know if we have the clout to succeed or not. Just wait for the unity of all these tribes under 1 umbrella. The core-north only take all these tribes for granted because they are not united under one cause. The moment that comes, it is finished.
You keep diverting and derailing off topic, I'm not talking about Adamawa and taraba, let's leave it for another day or you can open another thread for it
You still don't understand my argument, I'm not talking about the percentage of other minority tribes that are hausa/fulani/Muslims or not .. im saying hausa/muslim/fulani are the majority, hence the reason it will be very hard for middle belt minority to have clout or influence in the region
That's why you see states like kogi, kwarra, Niger going the northern way
Can you disprove that?
Nowenuse: Among all the hundreds of ethnic groups in the North-central + Adamawa, Taraba, Southern Kaduna e.t.c. Tell me how many of them are predominantly muslim compared to those that are predominantly christian.
See, in the entire 19 northern/middlebelt states. Once you remove the Hausa, fulanis, Kanuris Shuwa Arabs and Hausanized Bauchi tribes. 95% of the remaining ethnic groups are predominantly christian or 50/50.
Hahaha I have forever claimed zamfara state, I'm not like u primitive ritual flat.head HIV patient that open multiple monikers and be quoting yourself
NNEWIsuper: so your from that poor, backward and good for nothing zamfara, today marks the last day I take you seriously, ordinary zamfara..I thought u were even from Kano or kaduna
Whatever you believe about the election, whether its rigged or not, that's subjective and your opinion doesn't matter in the court of law.. I brought you a proof and vindication that is backed up by the law and regulation of a country, your not in any position to indicate anything, that's why the court is there
Now, I have told you to bring your own proof that is backed up by the law or government, but u keep beating around the bush by throwing bogus numbers and claiming how your in a "middle belt group" , that's non of my business!! bring something tangible/article that has been publish in ur support
I have the election as my evidence accertain by the court and law, what do you have?
I don't care whatever group you belong to, it doesn't portray or validate anything.. if that's the, how could u woefully fail in predicting APC/buhari will lose middle belt? That means you don't know anything about regional politics or events
You can't tell me to go make research while ur the one making the points, you have to back your arguments with facts and evidence.. that's how debates are done, we are talking about KD not Adamawa.. You want me to go on Facebook and check names, but that's the same template you used in judging that buhari will lose the MB bcuz 80% in the group were Christians and we all know how it ended
If a foreigner is on social media and sees that 80% of the people are southerners, does that mean southerners are the majority in Nigeria? You see how ur argument is falling like pack of cards
Your lying to say Muslims take elections more serious than Christians, maybe in the south, but definitely not in KD.. we all have seen how pastors were daily instigating their members not to vote for El-rufai on a daily basis, to the point that El-rufai even said "even if I make pope my running mate, SK won't vote"... Ashiru kudan got 816, 234, while, El-rufai got 1,045,421, that's a margin of only 229,187!! Is this ur definition of not taking an election serious! .. Ashiru only got 22,022 in his LG(kudan), while he 87,542 in Zango kataf(a Christian dominated area), and you foolishly say Christians don't take election serious
How can you say there are no kanuri in platue state and adamawa, I have a friend that is kanuri and from platue state.. it's clearly from this assertion that you don't know much about ur region. These people migrated centuries from Borno state
Let's concentrate on KD now and leave Adamawa and taraba bcuz it's like we are derailing the topic in hand
Nowenuse: You call 2019 an election? An election were soldiers were used to rig all over? An election were Buhari got 40% votes in Plateau state? Tell me which people would give Buhari such votes in Plateau in 2019 after all that has happen. Or have the Hausa fulanis in Jos suddenly become 40% of the state? We all knew how useless this election was, but many do not care since it is a fulani vs fulani election.
Suit yourself.
I know the demographics of most middlebelt states because I have been a leader in many regional groups affecting my people. I travel a lot and learn from everyone I come across. And thank God we are now in an age of internet and social media. If I tell you this tribe is found here and here and are so so percentage christian/muslim, you are free to do your research E.g If I tell you that Bwatiyes (Bachama, Mbula & Batta) are the 2nd largest ethnic group in Adamawa state and found in 4 LGAs and they are 95% christian. Here is one simple way you can verify this, go and search for the facebook groups of this ethnic groups, check through the profiles of the people you find in this group and you can see from their names alone and name of hometowns to know what religion they are and what towns they are from. Simple
Using politics to judge religious composition is a very very bad way to judge. Muslims take elections far serious than christians in Nigeria. Go to the south during elections, most people don't come out of their houses. The missionaries who evangelized northern christians taught us that politics is a bad thing. We always say among ourselves that politics is a dirty game for the sinners and many abstain. Many people only started changing their views not too long ago when we saw how muslims play their politics with bigotry. Till now, many have not learnt their lessons and that is why all over the middlebelt, you see muslims who have emerged and are still emerging elected in areas that are predominantly christian. Just like Ibrahim Mantu who you mentioned, was elected a senator of Plateau central, a district with 80% christians. Or do you want to tell me that there are more muslims in Plateau central? I know this area very well. I am an indigene of Plateau state.
Muslims in Plateau are very small, but in Taraba where they are a significant minority, can you say what Taraba state govt have done against the wishes of it's significant minority?
Read what you wrote again, you are making no point. Ok, here, let me help you. Why were christian dominated areas in old Kaduna LGA removed and added to Chikun LGA when old Kaduna LGA was divided into 2? I'm sure you cannot answer this.
Hahahaha, you do not anything about Plateau or Taraba state. There are no Kanuri indigenes of Adamawa state, let alone Taraba or Plateau state. Ask questions on what you don't know.
Among the about 50 ethnic groups that make up Plateau, Boghom, Bada/Jhar and Bashar (Yangkam) are the only muslim majority ethnic groups in Plateau state and they are not among the top 10 tribes in the state. Jukun Kona, Afizere, Pyem (Ibrahim Mantu's tribe) & Kofyar (where Kwalla falls in) are about 30-50% muslim each. All but Jukun Kona are among the top 10 tribes in the state, but not top 5. This is how you do an ethno-religious demographic breakdown. Plateau state is 10-15% muslim without the Hausa settlers in Jos. I can do that of Taraba for you if you ask nicely.
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.. Ashiru only got 22,022 in his LG(kudan), while he 87,542 in Zango kataf(a Christian dominated area), and you foolishly say Christians don't take election serious 
