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^^^ If we dont get it right in the coming months, then our journey to the promisedland is still much longer than where we started from 50yrs ago.

Oh not again! this is becoming too much.

olafolarin:
Again, BUt this man is a Professor of English.
May their soul R.I.P

I doubt if souls that died like this can truly R.I.P

I have read too many threads on Jonathan not qualifying and suitable to be president come 2011.

I am not for or against Jonathan yet and  I guess there are many like me.

Instead of spending much effort disqualifying Jonathan, why not present your better candidates and what he/she has to offer

When Jonathan made up his mind to contest, he will tell us his credentials and what he has to offer, or we can ask him via his facebook.

then we can make up our minds on the better candidate to vote for come 2011.

becomrich3:
I see what you are trying to show. He failed his high or secondary school examination. And had to go back and retake it. I passed on the first time i did it with A's.

It even took him 2 years to pass to get to university, I got in fast.  It took him 7 years to get a PHD. What?

OK guys, leave GEJ alone, here is a better CV. . . Mapomeji aka becomerich for president.

Vote for him and all of you will become rich  

Beaf, you are giving IBB an undeserved publicity, making it looks like he is the man to beat.

This man and his followers should be ignored like a rotten egg.

who cares?

Happy birthday madam Dora.

hmnnnnn, 360,000 PDP faithfuls I guess

I will allow the womenfolk to explain this. It is difficult to understand women sometimes.

too bad for a 3yr old kid.

Merger talk indeed! When the 2 governors they had, have both decamped to pdp.

Kalu should begin to count his loss.

I have to bookmark this thread. so much for my Lagos.

t5000:
How can one unsubscribe or permanently delete ones registration with Nairaland?
Thanks.

t5000:
I still have an unanswered question . . .

log out & forget your password so u never log in again. Trust me, you are as good as being 'unsubscribed/deleted'

menek:
Lord! Thou are merciful unto me. OAMAJ, honestly I didn't know u are kind heart to this extent, towards me. I am deeply touch by your effort. U demostrated love and desire for my success by contributing to me. My God will never fall to contribute to u when u need him. I am touch by everybody's assistance. God! look at this ones that have made a sacrifice for me, what do i have to offer them in return, NOTHING. I only look up to u; pay them. As u attend to them pls never let me put them to shame. I beg you my lord. Let the risk that they have taken today bring back joy and happiness to them. I wish i was seeing someone, i would have jump on u for been my life saver. I had sounded so hopeless because in my calculation i  knew it's going to (take long) be tough but now i'm not far anymore. I'm very very close to the mark. I'm grateful. OAMAJ, i owns u more than thanks that the mere thank u  words can not express. Nl join me in thanking him, as he has sent me 200 dollars=30k. Thank u so much for been by my side in my low state, surely i am rising.  I wish i'm starting today for i still have a step to go (86k-30k=56k)  I'm very very eager and pressurd to do something now, I believe the lord that has done all these will never leave me alone (wisdom to sails through) I felt rejected before but now very happy and belong.

TheCongo:
May the Lord richly bless you OAMAJ. With your contributation, we are about to reach the target.
May the Lord protect your home.

TheCongo

aisha2:
Bless you Omaj. God will meet you at every point of your need, as you have watered so shall you be watered.
Menek please be patient with me, I have some really pressing situations with the kids we are sponsoring, but I will surely do my part

Thanks for the prayers. Am glad i could help.

Wish you all d best menek and that more people come to your aid. My joy will be your final success story.

honeric01:
Who founded Nigeria? the British did, because before they came, every tribes, groups were on their own, but when the British came, they established a governing body that brought all these groups together by putting up a structure (central government) (forced together lol) , this can be likened to the issue here, the binis came to Lagos where there were different groups with no structure, they ended up setting up a central structure (politically) and that was what brought about the EKO we all are talking about now.

Did the British speak any of our languages? nope, though they left theirs with us, likewise the Binis, they didn't speak Yoruba when they came, but they didn't find it fit to teach the people in EKO their language.

It's everywhere, all the places the binis went to, they never found it important teaching the people their language (Big shortcomings). if they had done that, most of the south south and other west African countries would have been speaking bini language by now and you'd be surprised at the extent of the impact the Bini kingdom made.

The Bini empire is not just an empire, it was a VERY strong empire that went about conquering and were feared by their neighbors.

Beaf:
I don't see why they shouldn't; being the founder of a place does not give one the right to claim ownership.
It is funny that in all this back and forth, we have somehow forgotten the existence of the Egun, they were there long before everyone else; the Awori's, Bini's and everybody else. So where do they stand in your concept of the meaning of "founder?" Do you no see how faulty your concept is?
I believe that you are taking "founder" to mean people with indigenious rights. Bini people founded Eko, but they have no rights (indigenous or otherwise) over Lagos. It's our history and it shows how mixed we all are and how tribalism is most times the same as slapping oneself.

Your concept of founder is faulty. Assuming I accept your concept (which I dont), it then means Eko as it is today was no longer founded by Benin but by Portuguese and the British or lately the FG.

Also you still haven't answered my question, what development did Benin brought to Eko to earn them the status of a founder?

chyz:
The facts have to be stated that nigerians as a whole mentally arent ready for a female president. this is a country that bases choices off of emotions for gods sake.

Nigeria is ready for female President, only that Nigeria will not just support any woman cus of 'women sympathy'. Any woman that must lead must earn the honour and respect of the people

and IMO, Ngozi Okonjo Iweala has earned it.

honeric01:
How help ourselves here, if i decide to put a block on the ground without digging, measuring and then using cement and gravite to erect the blocks, and someone else comes to do the latter, who are you going to say built the house?

me that place blocks on the ground without proper foundation or the other person that used gravite and cement?


Now, with your definition, can you say the Aworis had any concrete structure on ground that shows that they actually wanted to build a city/town?

Apart from the tents and all that they built around the seashore where they fished, what else did they do?

Where actually did you people read that Benin brought to Lagos a superior technology, built brick houses and super structures; they only administered and collected royalty on behalf of Oba of Benin, they later settled down and married among the Yorubas, spoke their language and dwelt among the Yorubas.

Beaf:
As long as they build a new town where none previously existed, then that is correct. For example, the Aladja, Steel Township was founded by the Federal Govt.
Aladja is a Warri suburb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aladja

For the purpose of your argument and your definition of founder, its OK, but whether the Gwaris and the Aldja people agree with you is another. But we Lagosians believe that Yorubas and  not Benin found Lagos  and we are not descent of Benin.

We have as a nation aspired for greatness without being inspired to strive thereof. We are reactive rather than proactive. We lose a tournament we never prepared for and shamelessly turn around to probe for a non-existent reason as to why we failed.
We bring together our best to draw up a road map to greatness – 2010 - 2020 and that’s just it, a wish list that will not materialize except we dedicate our energies to work, work and work for its actualization.
And as long as we produce or allow incompetent and visionless leadership, we can expect nothing but a mediocre nation as an end result.
Enlightened leadership is the desire of every progressive nation on earth, why do we beg to be different…?
Donald

True.

You are being unfair to the Gwaris and you are attempting to rob them of their ancestral heritage and land ownership claiming FG found Abuja.

So if today the FG comes to Your part of Delta (especially the creek areas), rebuilt, develop, and possibly rename it with a new federal structure leadership, your people cease to have any claim to being the founder - Right?

Andre Uweh:
That Igbo candidate is no other than Pat Utomi.
Nzeribe: Nigerians have not forgiven him and his ABN for the impasse in Nigeria in 1992/3.
Soludo, no way near it.
Anyaoku, Ekwueme-two old to run.
Ngozi Iweala-Good.

She is more than Good. that woman has balls. better than all the clueless heads we have in government today

I used to listen to her speak as then financed minister, how she used to tutor those dumb-heads politicians.

check his website http://www.utomifornigeria.com/ and feel free to ask questions/his views on true federalism, lean central government, resource control, state police etc.

And this is what i found from another dictionary (Accurate and Reliable Dictionary - ARD online)

Found

Definition: To lay the basis of; to set, or place, as on something solid, for support; to ground; to establish upon a basis, literal or figurative; to fix firmly.

Definition: To take the ffirst steps or measures in erecting or building up; to furnish the materials for beginning; to begin to raise;[size=13pt] to originate[/size]; as, to found a college; to found a family.

Definition: set up or lay the groundwork for; "establish a new department"


http://ardictionary.com/Found/2488

mikeansy:
Whether IBB means what he says is a totally different debate.

But his proposals of running a lean central government, devolution of powers to State and LGA, encouraging State Policing while refocusing the efforts of the central Government on National Security, Foreign Policy is at the heart of the sort of ideas that can remake Nigeria.

So IBB may be lying or being the maradona we always knew once again. But if you forget all that and look at the policies on their merit, you will see that IBB has very juicy policies.

You need to read more of Utomi's manifesto, I watched him debate with Buhari during the last election, he made Buhari look foolish during that debate. for me IBB is completely out of it.

chyz:
The think is people are out for self and their cronies. Igbos dont through out candidates like uzo kalu.he just comes out like many others to help through things off to help him and his elite cronies in the other parts of the country.

That happens every where, virtually in all the zones, but what is yet to be seen among the Ndigbo is majority of Ndigbo supporting one candidate as is seen in other regions.

When you have 50 - 70% of Ndigbos behind a candidate, then we can say we have a true Ndigbo candidate.

Beaf:
There is no doubt that the Awori's built the first settlements in lagos, but a settlement is not a town. You guy's need to place the Awori's and pre-Eko (if thats allowed) times in proper perspective. These were folk who were fleeing from war and were harassed on all sides by slave raiders from Dahomey, Oyo armies, the constant need to dodge Bini armies etc, they had no time for truly permanent settlements. It is also quite clear that Aromire was still in charge of the Awori's at the time the Bini's took over, meaning the Awori's themselves were still very new to the territory.

Because of the chaos and insecurity of those times, it took a power to establish a functioning city, Iga Idunganran was converted from a pepper farm to palace grounds by the Bini.

The closest I can compare the situation of the Awori's with, is the Gwari's being the earliest settlers in Abuja. However, the Gwari's clearly did not build Abuja.

What is the debate again? Who found lagos or Who built Lagos? or are they the same?

Nobody is contesting all what you stated, the contention is that Binin did not found Lagos, some people came to establish some strictures in a place does not equate to them the status of 'Founder'

The fact that the 1st settlers were running away from war does not rob them the status of being the founder. Do you know how many towns and settlement that were found by people running away from wars in those days?

The 1st settlers in a place are the founder, not the people that built roads and bridges. So who are the founders of Abuja? Murtala, Obasanjo and Babangida?

warripekin:
Correct me if i am wrong. The papers this morning says its Emmanuel Ikhazubor.

Read the whole story. Ikhazubor is an Interim administrator.

The Securities and Exchange Commission yesterday named Emmanuel Ikhazobor as interim administrator to oversee the Nigeria Stock Exchange (NSE) pending the appointment of a new director general, but sources say Yvonne Fasinro, JP Morgan Chase Country Lead for Nigeria, will soon be named the substantive director general.

The major challenge of Ndigbo up until now is their inability to speak with one voice and rally round one formidable candidate.

Every time a position is zone to Ndigbo, you'll find 50 or more candidates ready to battle it out.

Also Ndigbo has to present credible candidates with good track records, if you keep throwing up candidates like Orji Uzor Kalu, other zones will have no choice but to look the other way.

interesting!

^^Pat Utomi is a presidential candidate, am just wondering why Igbos are not supporting him, and my guess is that since he is a delta-Ibo (or so I think) may be, Ndigbo think he is not a full blooded Igbo.

What about supporting Pat Utomi, or is he not Igbo enough?

or if you can get Ngozi Iweala to contest, I will relocate back to naija temporarily to campaign and vote for her.

too bad. rip!

Beaf:
Son and grandson are the same in our extended family structure, so there's no discrepancy.
Your summary is wrong. The argument is that Bini people founded Eko, not that they first set foot on Lagos Island. Even their own version of history acknowledges that the Aworis were farming and fishing there and had scattered settlements, but it was the Bini's that built Eko and established a rulership structure.

Lagos royalty (especially Oba Akiolu) have repeatedly come out in support of the Bini version of history. If there is a dispute about who Ashipa was, the story his descendants tell should trump all others hands down.

So what you want us to believe is that the Yorubas living in Lagos before the Benin expedition came were inconsequential, it was the few people who came from Benin on expedition; who set up rulership structure that found and built Lagos?

We can as well move further and claim that the British who came many years after; who set up a more solid rulership, built most of the standing structures; roads, bridges are the founder of Nigeria.