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butterflylion:
This is extremely laughable

The machines used for checking or measuring time are simply what they are. THEY CHECK AND MEASURE TIME AND DID NOT CREATE TIME.

For anyone to build a machine to check anything or measure anything it means that thing was there before the machine was built.

Let me give you a very small history.

In ancient times man developed ways of keeping or measuring time and some were

1. Sundial

2. Moondial

3. Obelisk

4. Water clock

5. Incense clock

6. Time ball

Etc

All these methods were used to measure time and in the case of the sundial they made use of the movement of the sun to keep track of time and this is how we know that when the sun is over our head it's noon day. The watches and clocks we have today work with the same principle but with the addition of seconds, minutes and hours for sake of precision.

However when your watch says 12 o'clock and you look at the sun, you will see it is over your head.

Time has always been there. We simply learnt how to measure it. We did not cause time to exist. It existed before us. We simply began measuring it for our own benefit.

Stop arguing and get this as simply as I have illustrated. Time is not your slave, you are a slave to time. Time is your master while you simply learned how to live with this master.

The only valued statement u made that is connected to what we are discussing is this
"For anyone to build a machine to check anything or measure anything it means that thing was there before the machine was built."
If you are able to think critically u will understand that this is not to be compared with time cos you can only measure what you see
listing equipments for time checking and telling me how it's being checked which I already knew doesn't connect with what we discussing
I quite agree with you there are things that can't be proven nor disproven, I think the only way you can understand what i'm saying is moving your brain to different level entirely,
It's easy and rightfully to think that time exist.

lalanice:
I thought atheist claim they are more intelligent how did you come about this post?

You are just letting me know, how did you come about with the discovery?

Why Would you require hard work to achieve something that has been already programmed by God, thought it only people who knew there is no God to help them works hard for themselves

ambassagod:
Sorry, are you an illiterate? Did you ever go to school?

I asked because I am greatly marveled at the height of deformity in your post here.

As for the bolded, you can close your eyes, put your hand upon your chest and say that anthem over and over again.

As for the remaining post, it really proves that you are an illetrate and I can't engage you. Go find your fellow atheistic illetrates not me.

Seems like religionists prefer insults more than intelligent argument not only that, most of them are intellectually disabled, you especially(i can attest by ur reply) and yet claiming wisdom,
You first made this statement "everything popped out from nothing" and getting back to you with the same statement you actually made, you picked it up and assumed it's what I believed,
Come on dude you are way too far better than this

ambassagod:
More confirmation coming through!!

This exactly what I just talked about!

He simply asking this simple decade repeated dumb question; "Who created God?"

Just swerve please.

Everything popped out from nothing, at least there is earth and research is still going on, your God can't even show itself and you are very sure he is there with you now without any research rather prefer focusing on baseless logic
Time has no beginning yet God existed with time, time created God
Hehehehehehehe

OLAADEGBU:
Coming from the one who doesn't believe God exists.

Watch the movie here:===>www.atheistMovie.com

Is that ur evidence
Laughable

ambassagod:
Better! At least it saves you from being dumb, believing everything popped out from nothing.

And God popped out from where

Mysterious

vaxx:
I think there should be clear scientific evidence on the topic. it is an issue that most be resolved to address gender inequality.


since there is no credible scientific evidence known to me for now. I shall base my findings on observation and assumption.

in physical strength. men appear more stronger than women in the area of size and muscle but in general physical qualities like agility and balance ,immune system and emotions women outperform men.

I also observe women live longer and the reason I accredit to this is that women are bilogically better survivors from the day they’re born.

Statistically, baby girls are more robust than boys, which makes mortality rates among babies a little skewed in favour of girls.

And for reasons that scientists don’t fully understand, throughout their lives women tend to survive the same diseases that kill men.

I think we both being on the same side just that you a being fair with words

kayoph:
i do believe in God.. But i just gave you "facts" proving that time was before man..I've explained it.. I get your point... And i think one pivotal error is that you think man invented time.. "NO ONE INVENTED TIME.. WE WERE ALL BORN IN TIME".... still doubting? pick your browser and search for the man that invented time?.. i bet you that the result you'll will get will be along the lines of " so.. so..so person was the first one/person that invented a "TIME-KEEPING" device/machine... what man did was just to device a mechanism for keeping track of time... I'll like you to know that my point is profound.. Its not about being impervious.. its about you not seeing that believing that we(Humans) were the one that invented time is erroneous.. If that is what you still think.. It means you never understood what time is .. And my explanation will be of no meaning if that isn't understood.. i guess you are thinking that time is or refers to the ticking of the clock or turning of the pages of a calendar...But really these are just incidental physical manifestation(set in place by man) of the underlying concept... If you really want to understand this simply, Take your time and Read my comments again.....

On a lighter note.. i do believe in God.. I embrace ATR( -Yoruba Religion)... I'm a scientist, i believe in empirical evidences.. But i want you to know that the concept of materialism is not entirely true Physics will explain that to you..... If that's the basis upon which your atheism stands find another .. lol don't mind me am a free thinker too... But seriously.. the concept is not entirely true...

Do you think that there is a difference between now and 1billion yrs to come or even 1billion yrs ago if not for transformation which goes to everything that existed, later it will sieze to exist for some moments and then recycle the process again and again, from the beginning time is being used to measure all the processes
The no beginning no ending time you are using to describe your God does not exist
If you are using the term "timekeeping" yes that is what I'm talking about

The machines used as a mechanism for checking time made the existence of time possible
I'm sure u get it now

Proudgorgeousga:
you said women

fooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooL

Seems like you find insult pleasing

Proudgorgeousga:
you said women

fooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooL

OK

butterflylion:
As you are today can you call 10 to be two? Can you call 200 to be twelve?

The symbol and the name are inextricably linked. I do not know how to say this to you again.

Without a symbol there is no name to give!!!

I understood what you are saying, numbers can be recognized by it's symbols (same as ideas), this is entirely different from the main issue that led to this argument
In terms of meaning symbols and numbers differs
Simply saying "the existence of numbers can't be proven"

Proudgorgeousga:
fooooooooool

Stop showing your length of stupidity, correct me if I'm wrong, meanwhile I didn't say all women

U must have had some experiences

Even Bible gives people reason to die

butterflylion:
Oga number 1 is a symbol. And so are 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 . These symbols were given names to set them apart for a specific mathematical purpose.

The items the numbers are used to represent are not ideas but truly existing items. Like I said, numbers exist because the objects they represent exist.

I wonder who told you that numbers are not symbols?

You can only say that the name of the idea being represented by symbol exist but not symbol
Symbol is nothing but only a "word"

butterflylion:
Oga number 1 is a symbol. And so are 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 . These symbols were given names to set them apart for a specific mathematical purpose.

The items the numbers are used to represent are not ideas but truly existing items. Like I said, numbers exist because the objects they represent exist.

I wonder who told you that numbers are not symbols?

Show me where I stated that numbers are not symbols, seem like u don't have anything more to say
There objects they represent do exist, Objects like numbers do exist

vaxx:
I disagree with you. but before I go further. do you have any scientific evidence that claim women are more weak than men.

Do you still require scientific evidence for things happening around you, go further bro maybe I need enlightenment

butterflylion:
Can you show me how and where I switched positions? When struggling with an argument calmly walk away when you are lost and stop accusing me of switching positions.

Numbers are symbols! The numbers that people use are completely arbitrary symbols. Their meaning is assigned by general consensus.

Someone had to invent the symbol and then assign it a meaning, and the meaning stuck throughout the centuries, so that's the meaning we assign to it today.

I repeat, numbers exist as long as what they are assigned to exist!

Numbers are symbols with names and those symbols (numbers) are inextricably linked to what they are attached to.

Numbers is simply an arithmetical value representing a particular quantity and can be used in counting and making calculations but can only be expressed as symbols
Symbol differs, number doesn't, once you hear the word number you know what to be expecting
Number and symbol doesn't mean exact same thing and both can't be proven either,
that something is representing an idea doesn't mean it exist, the idea possibly has it own name

Women tends to have weakness more than men
Both physically and mentally(infirmity), that's why they can easy be deceived

butterflylion:
Numbers themselves ARE SYMBOLS! 1234567890 , I, II, III, IV, V VI VII VIII, IX, X are all symbols WITH NAMES ASCRIBED TO THEM.

hope you get it now.

That's why we are not talking about symbols cos it contains alot of characters and also has different meaning, we a talking of a particular thing "number"
Stop switching positions

butterflylion:
Well numbers do exist! As long as what the numbers symbolize exist and as long as man keeps trying to understand them by constructing numbers then yes numbers do exist! MAN MADE NUMBERS TO EXIST!

if you had 20 apples and had no knowledge of numbers you would simply see them as " many of the same kind of fruit" but with no specifics. Man "created" numbers for sake of accountability and order.

So if man created numbers for these reasons then to man numbers exist because "to man" numbers are inextricably linked to what they symbolize.

We are not talking about symbols, symbol can be used as a character for conventional representation of an object,
Number is just a sign, they don't exist
I mean it can't be proven

butterflylion:
Numbers are just a deliberate construct of man to make meaning of things we do not understand. What the numbers symbolize or represent exist which was why man needed numbers to understand them.

As long as the things numbers symbolize can be replicated endlessly then numbers themselves can be said to be endless.

If we get to gazillion man would simply create another level of numbers like metabrazillion or advantogazillion

You see, the choice of what to call the numbers or symbolic numbers is all up to man but what the numbers represent caused man to create numbers.

And that dude is claiming that numbers do exist but has no beginning or ending

bkool7:
There is no end to numbers.


Ever heard of Googolplex?
Numbers have no beginning and ending

As such, God exist , He endless and can make things endless.

Those saying everything has beginning and ending should give me the 1st and last numbers .
Then i will give up that God was created

You are going with the wrong step dude
Numbers are just signs, can you prove that numbers exist

DMerciful:
Time is not an invention of man. Time is existence and man did not create existence. I agree that Time is a dimension of God, the beginning of Time is the beginning of God

The kind of time you are talking about, no beginning or ending does not exist,
time has beginning and equally going to have ending, it's an invention of man
Time is not existence cos there is nothing like time existence that's why man never created existence, I thought you are saying that real time has no beginning or are you confused

As if she can't go where people do not know her, dumb priest, if only he could be challenged

kayoph:
1*==> That is erroneous... i would like you to understand that even if man seize to exist, time continues... Time was before man.. Let take it one by one. What do you understand by the word "Time".... if you check my last comment on this topic i stated it simply there.. but i just copied this from google now: "Time is the indefinite continued progress of existence and events that occur in apparently irreversible succession from the past through the present to the future". source:wikipedia

The existence referred to in the definition isn't just for man.. It covers the continuous existence of all materials.. In all frame of reference time Exist.. But not absolute for all.. So Note that the incidental occurrence either natural or artificial that man uses to track time is a tool..my point here is that MAn creating a mechanism for keeping track of time isn't the reason for the birth of time but just a proof of time continuing regardless and it's infinite (i'll talk about this later).. Like you said Everything has a duration of existence, of course i agree with you.. for example there will be a point in time where every present living thing on the earth will seize to exist and its our offspring that will live in our stead..

2*==> i'll like you to understand that the supposed time-frame(life span) is equal if we are in the same frame of reference, dilation only occurs if we are in a different F.o.R.. So for You, I and the animal, we are all in the same frame of reference 100yrs = 100yrs, 10yrs=10yrs,etc.

3*==>That is also erroneous, time is infinite in only one direction...


In summary,
When time started you can't tell because we cannot tell the foremost of all event.. Even if we could that doesn't = it's beginning its just a clue that this was the first event recorded "in time".. It is ever infinite.. That was why i said in my last comment that "i think": its coming from -∞ going to +∞... so what we only do is to make reference with the tools we use to tell time-frame of a particular event from the present(which is however continuous "in this context" to the distant past..
For example: The age of our galaxy is 13.21 billion years ago(i.e away from this present time)..
The age of planet earth is 4.543 billion years away from this present time..
The modern form of humans only evolved about 200,000 years ago. Civilization as we know it is only about 6,000 years old..

This typically tells us that time has been running long before us and surely even before the formation of what caused the formation of what caused the formation of our galaxy... and even after we all sieze to exist will still continue..

ULTIMATELY it was because of this mystery i concluded that time must be a dimension of God.. An inseparable consequence of his being....

I hope its a clearer explanation this time..

Not at all
Time was never there before man cos man invented time, your time definition was right cos that exactly how it should be in order to suit measurement,
Of course the galaxy is about 13.21Billionyrs and planet is 4.543billionyrs forgetting that it was possibly calculated with the help of "time invention" and there no difference between then and now except that the earth is passing through it's own process of life which at a time expires (completed it's life span), life sizes to exist and that infinite time you think exist continues
I never said 100yrs is equal to 10yrs just that I equated it mathematically to an animal which has about 1000+Yrs of life span and made equivalent to 100yrs

Do you believe in God? Cos I think that might be themain reason you are being impervious to this argument

DMerciful:
Time was not created by Humans. Clock is not time...it is a device to measure or calculate the progress of existence(time)

Seems like your brain is paining you, when argument like this is involved don't just come and chip in words any how, who is saying clock is time
Maybe you can involve calendar as well

creating what you are not sure of and yet making it mandatory for everyone to believe or face consequences

What kind nonsense is this

kayoph:
Time , Time, Time... Actually i will like you to know that man didn't create time... Time is the first thing and it is immaterial... Time is basically a sequence of event.. It is a stream flow of event n happenings.. Moving strictly in one direction ==> forward... What man did was only to create a mechanism for measuring time... so the tools: Clocks to measure time in seconds, minutes, hours, calendar(working on results obtained from clocks), Day n night as result of earth's rotation, different seasons etc......All of these are tools used my man to keep track of time....

N.B: suppose all of the tools listed above ^^^ don't exist.. Time still does exist....

All of the Events that certain persons claim occurred before the creation of world, maybe/maybe not all, but certainly if it does it is yet "in time"..Because its an event. Just that no one was there to record it.

Time didn't just start when the world started.. It has been around long before the formation of what caused the formation of what caused the formation of what caused the formation of whatever there is.. All of those events happened "in time"

So personally i think time is coming from a -∞ going to a +∞
Its a mystery because it certainly has no finite beginning and no finite end

I embrace the ATR.. But if you would ask me "i think TIME is dimmension of God.. It's an inseparable consequence of his being.....


I hope my explanation helps someone

Your explanation doesn't
Man creating a mechanism for measuring time is the reason why time existed, time has beginning and undoubtedly going to have ending,
if you can reason beyond you will understand that everything has length of existence and it doesn't have anything to do with time, just temporal but continues

you have about 100yrs lifespan, that's a lot of time to you but it can be equivalent to 10yrs to a particular animal, out of your 100yrs lifespan 24hours can also be seen as a lot of time and lifespan to a particular animal too, mayfly has a day as lifespan but it been existing for over 300million years, it's just a measurement, nothing differs but it continues, same applied to every other things (including earth)

Time is not infinite cos there is nothing like real time, it does not exist

Kelblaq:
And why should i be lieing I don't believe this happened to me coz have never been a fan of any spiritual ish

And can't even drop the number

winner01:
Not at all. You recognized the importance of time when you alledged that humans created time as some kind of measurement. And measurement is important to ascribe value to matter. Humans are valuable beings and we do believe ourselves to be valuable beings even though some think Otherwise.

You're right. Specific units have no meaning if they are not measured. Values are made meaningful by quantifying into individual units. Measurement is made meaningful only with the existence of time.

What else can be the importance of time if not for measurement only, I think you are going all round to backup your claims