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Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 9:18pm On Oct 19, 2025

gohf:
apart from you not getting what I wrote, you are here assuming a similarity between being born of water to being born again abi?

Brother. Okay, apologies.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 6:15pm On Oct 19, 2025

gohf:
so to you being born of water means to be baptized of water?
So wait is a person born of spirit spirit then of water are they water now 😏?

Guy Jesus was explaining what it means to be born again, except a person is born of water which was the first birth and that doesn't need to be repeated and then born of the spirit.

Everyone of us came from the water in the womb, that's our first birth. Water baptism mimicks this as a symbol of repentance but no new birth takes place at water baptism bro.

Bro to be born of water require the necessary water baptism coupled with the word of God: as Peter rightly put it, "Being born again not of corruptible seed but incorruptible by the word of God."

Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 6:11pm On Oct 19, 2025

femi4:
You are confused

What happened between Philip n the Ethiopian is water baptism. Don't just jump into discussion if you have no idea of its context

Act 8:36 - 38

As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?” [37] [c] 38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.

No brother I'm not confuse. I just got through saying water baptism is necessary and required as the text you quoted had shown.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 4:45pm On Oct 19, 2025

tctrills:
We also learn in John 4
When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

Though in that text Jesus wasn't the one doing the baptism but his disciples. Yet, it is on record/history/scriptures that during the time of John the Baptist and Christ, it could be infered that over 95% of the populace were baptized: even the Pharisees and Sadducees, who were leaders, did baptized, and as such, influencing many to also baptize

Matthew 3:7
[7]But when he (John) saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 4:35pm On Oct 19, 2025

MrGerald:
Why mentioning catholic? They understood baptism more than you do

Can you prove that. Even the Bible says, "Prove all things."

I'm a Catholic bro, yet saying Catholics know more about baptism more than me is like saying, you know more how to drink water more than me.
There is nothing to demystify other than to appropriate the principal doctrine of baptisms which the Bible teaches. Anything other than that is a doctrinal tangent made from the presumptuous nature of man.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 4:17pm On Oct 19, 2025

femi4:
Baptism of the spirit doesn't need water...what evidence are you looking for

If it doesn't require water then the Holy Spirit who led Phillip to preach and baptized the Ethiopian eunuch would have said so.

You are in the wrong brother.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 4:12pm On Oct 19, 2025

tctrills:
Please state how you know the thief was never baptized? I know some bad boys who have been baptized. I really need to know how you came upon the knowledge that the thief was never baptized

Thank you brother. It was even infered in the book of Mark that it's plausible that that thief on the cross got baptized
Mark 1:4-5
[4]John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
[5]And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Notice that text says, "And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him ( John)."

So it's highly plausible from my inference that that man was baptized of John

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 4:06pm On Oct 19, 2025

arabralph:
This must be a write-up from the Church of Christ of which I'm a member. Baptism cannot be sprinkling as purported by some of our religious friends. Even Jesus as our exemplar, subjected himself for Baptism as a way all would-be Christians should follow.

I'm O.C Novak Michael and the Author.
The write-up is to bless all Christians, denomination notwithstanding.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 3:59pm On Oct 19, 2025

[quote author=mirrael68 post=137178562][/quote]If the living can stand in for the dead during baptism I don't know it. Give me the verse and scriptures and we can talk.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 3:56pm On Oct 19, 2025

Ezechimaobim:
What's the impact of all this on what's happening in Nigeria?
The hardship, the Bad Leadership, what's the impact of baptism ?

I know you're wondering, after all the baptism by Christians, Nigeria and the people therein are getting worse by the day. I quite understand you brother. But truth be told, God is not the god of this world. He's not running the system of this world, the devil is. Though you're baptized into Christ, but the truth remains that human action are influenced by metaphysical forces. Scripture says, "... The way of a man is not in himself. It is not in man that walketh to direct his steps..." (Jeremiah 10:23). And in another place Scripture says, "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" (Romans 6:16).

Put somewhat different, the action of a man are influenced by spirits, and he can yield himself to the Spirit of God or to the Spirit of the devil. Unfortunately, many, though Christians, at times yield to the god of this world to act out their fleshy desires which is contrary to the Spirit of God. This is why things are getting worse by the day: because we don't yield to the leading of the Spirit of God.

People are getting baptized and things are the way they are, now imagine if there's no iota of the nature of God in man. The world would have been like hell.

In the final analysis, get baptized, do your best and work out your own salvation.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 2:29pm On Oct 19, 2025

femi4:
Be careful how you interprete his words. You certainly doesn't have the right interpretation.

Lk 7 : 48 -

48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”

49 The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”

Brother the word "saved" in that text imply the idea of healed, whole, preserve. JESUS wasn't saying that woman have salvation because Christ has not died and offer his blood as atonement for the sins of all men. So Jesus couldn't be referring to salvation in that text

50 Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 1:56pm On Oct 19, 2025

Antoeni:
Baptism is Sacrament Which Cleans Us From Original Sin, Makes Christians, Children Of God And Members Of The Church (Catholic)

I was once like you brother. I thought like a child, I spake like a child and understood as a child.
I'm a Catholic but I can't write what you just posted because Catholic denomination is a member of the body of Christ and not the whole body.

In Ephesians chapter one, when Paul was inspired to write that God has made Jesus the head over all things to the church, there was no perenthetic emphasis that says the church being referred to was Catholic denomination.

Every one in the body of Christ is the church whether Catholic, Anglican, Pentacostal, Methodist... etc. We are all member of Christ.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 1:44pm On Oct 19, 2025

tctrills:
I don't know, it was not stated but all I know is that Christ doesn't lie. If He says without baptism you can't enter His kingdom, I believe Him. I have no need to believe you over Him.

Mark 16:16 – “lHe that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.

Brother it was not stated specifically but it was infered in the book of Mark

Mark 1:4-5
[4]John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
[5]And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Notice that text says, "And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized..."

It is plausible and could be infered from that text that that thief was baptized of John before his death on the cross

Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 1:39pm On Oct 19, 2025*

femi4:
Was the thief beside Jesus on the cross born of water

The water in that context refer to spiritual cleansing

Brother how did you know the thief wasn't baptized at some time before his death on the cross?

At the time John the Baptist began to baptize, Scripture says:
Mark 1:4-5
[4]John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
[5]And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Notice that text says, "And there went out unto him (John) all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem and we're all baptized..."

How did you know that their was not among those who were baptized of John?

The word of God is taught line upon line and precept upon precept.

Think about it!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 1:28pm On Oct 19, 2025

D4gmail1:
Stop sharing knowledge about what something you are less knowledgeable about.

Baptism has not spiritual significance in anyway. It is a ritual done in the old days to show submission to a school of taught (What you call admission today). It is usually done by teachers who are accepting new students who wants to learn in the line of their master teacher. This is why John the Baptist baptised. This is why Jesus was baptised because he submited to John's school.

Fast forward to today, Baptism is not longer needed because of way of schooling and learning has changed. We now have admission instead of baptism.

How would you think the creator of the Universe (think of the stars and the far planets beyond us) would care about how some person in a tiny dot called Earth should immerse themself in water before he is one with them? It is the hight of foolishness and delusion.

So Jesus lied when he said, "... Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God?"

Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 1:25pm On Oct 19, 2025

gohf:
after writing all this, especially being baptized into Moses do now see that water baptism is baptism unto John

Jesus didn't baptize anyone with water but with the Holy Spirit, the living water

Did Jesus not made water baptism mandatory when he said, "... Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (John 3:5).

Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 1:22pm On Oct 19, 2025

Aidoko2:
Don’t allow Theology or organized religion to baptize you.
Baptism is in the name of Jesus and not the titles of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Be baptized in the name of Jesus and not the title of (father, son and Holy Spirit)
Matthew 28:19 go and baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Father is a title not name
Son is a title not a name
Holy Spirit is a title not a name

Jesus is the name of the father JOHN 5:43
Holy Spirits name is Jesus JOHN 14:23.

Baptism formula
Act 2:38
Act 10:48

Those that repeat the commission in Matthew 19:28 without mentioning the name of Jesus are the candidate of hell

Brother the Spirit of God does not induce confusion. You see, Matthew was inspired that baptism should be done in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. And in Acts the apostles baptized in the name of Jesus. Both are correct because even John the Baptist did not baptize Jesus in the name of Jesus Christ.
The same Spirit which inspired Matthew to write in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost is the same Spirit which inspired the apostles in the book of Acts to baptize in the name of Jesus Christ

Both are correct brother!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 1:16pm On Oct 19, 2025

AntiChristian:
Alhamdulillah for my life!
No baptism!
No formication!
No smoking!
No killing!
No vices!

People have died during or after baptism ceremonies due to various tragic events, including attacks by gunmen in Niger in 2025, drownings in incidents in Johannesburg in 2022 and Texas in 2024, and a cardiac arrest in a baby during a 2021 ceremony in Romania. In other cases, people have died from medical emergencies shortly after a baptism, such as a man in Birmingham, UK, in 2023.

JESUS once told one of his disciples when he protested: "... Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me."

You have nothing to lose if you allow Jesus wash you, but you will lose everything if Jesus wash you not.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 1:08pm On Oct 19, 2025

Sirleo05:
My dear brother ocnovakmichael , I appreciate your input to the subject about baptism. But let me ask this question,
Because everybody and church are doing the same mistake of preaching baptism as a religious activity or a doctrine , so my question is ,

what is the significance or goal or aim or purpose of baptism?
When you get it then you"ll know that is beyond immersion into water.
Pls study, Acts 1 vs 5. Acts 10. Acts 11. Acts 18 vs24 to 28. Acts 19 vs 1 to 7. Ephesian 5 vs 25. Matthew 3 vs 11. John 1 vs 19 to 34. Luke 3 vs 1 to 20.
My brothers , is beyond immersion

Yes brother I know it is beyond immersion, but it's necessary to get immersed. The Lord Jesus made it necessary when he said, "... Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (John 3:5).

It is in baptism that a man is begotten because at baptism the man identified himself with the death and resurrection of Jesus. Paul testifying in the book of Acts said Jesus was begotten when God raised him up from the dead; and so are we when we are born of water and of the Spirit

Acts 13:30,33
[30]But God raised him from the dead:
[33]God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

It is when we identify with Jesus' death and resurrection that is when we are begotten because we died and are resurrected by the Spirit through baptism. Without identification with Christ death, we cannot be begotten

1 Peter 1:3
[3]Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Notice again that we are begotten through the identification with Jesus' death and resurrection

Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 12:51pm On Oct 19, 2025

femi4:
Water baptism is good but not mandatory.

There were more emphasis on holy ghost baptism by the apostle especially in a scenario where water baptism couldn't be conducted

No brother. Water baptism is very much mandatory. The Lord Jesus made water baptism mandatory when he said, "... Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (John 3:5).
Did you notice Jesus said, "Except a man be born of water?"

Baptism by water and the baptism of the Holy Ghost are two streams flowing from the Holy Ghost.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 3:38pm On Oct 18, 2025

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 2:40pm On Oct 12, 2025

As the Lord Jesus was begotten when he was raised up by the glory of the Father, so are we when we are baptized in Christ.

As the heaven opened over Jesus when he was being baptized, so the heaven open over you when you baptized.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 7:41am On Oct 12, 2025

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Christianity Etc › The Principle Of Baptisms And Why You Should Get Baptized by ocnovakmichael(op): 3:20am On Oct 12, 2025

Baptism from the Greek word baptizo, meaning "to dip" or "to immerse." In Christianity baptism is the immersion of a believer in Christ in water: signifying the identification of the believer with the death and the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the head of the church.

The second verse of the sixth chapter in the book of Hebrews, baptism(s) is referred to as one of the first principles of the doctrine of Christ. At baptism something miraculous happens: the one being baptized dies and resurrect in the spirit with Christ Jesus.

In scriptures, the revelation of baptism was a principle God used to usher in both men and nation into destiny. Baptism was revealed to Moses, Elijah, and John the Baptist; and was prophesied of the Christ. These four are what I will describe as the gate keepers: because each of them opened a new era, so to speak, in the realms of the Spirit. This was why the priests and Levites, whose responsibility is to offer up sacrifices unto God on the behalf of the children of Israel, asked John, "... Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet (Moses)" (John 1:25)?

In the book of first Corinthians, Paul in his epistle says, the children of Israel were baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea: symbolizing the baptism by water and of the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 10:1-2
[1]Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
[2]And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

You see, in order to bring the children of Israel into the promise land, God had to prepare and sanctify them through baptism in the cloud and in the sea.

Also, the prophet Elisha, when he was about to step into the office of the prophet after the order of his master Elijah, he was led through the rudiments of baptism in Jordans River; and afterwards, Elisha received a double portion of the spirit of Elijah.

2 Kings 2:6-8
[6]And Elijah said unto him, Tarry, I pray thee, here; for the LORD hath sent me to Jordan. And he said, As the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. And they two went on.
[7]And fifty men of the sons of the prophets went, and stood to view afar off: and they two stood by Jordan.
[8]And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground.

Notice as the children of Israel were baptized unto Moses after they passed through dry land after the River was parted, so Elisha was baptized unto Elijah when they both passed through dry land on Jordan's River after it was parted.

John the Baptist understood by books and by the revelation of the Spirit that for the Christ to come, men must be baptized to sanctify, prepare and to make straight path for the coming Messiah. This was why John preached repentance and baptism. And when asked of his testimony he referenced the prophecy of Isaiah: "... I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord..." (Isaiah 40:3-4).

Now there's a scriptural foundation I want to emphasize on why many who are yet to be baptized should do so; and those who were baptized as infants, particularly Catholics and others, should perhaps rebaptize in adulthood.
To many what I'm about to teach might sound absurd but meditate on it in the light of scriptures and understand.

What am I getting to? You see, the Lord Jesus before his ascension into heaven said to his disciples, "... Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned" (Mark 16:15-16).

Did you notice in that text that Jesus said, "... He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved?" This statement implies that the believer will be baptized based on his faith and convictions in the gospel of Christ which was preached to him. Consider for example, Philip baptized the Ethiopian eunuch based on his belief in the scripture about Christ.

Acts 8:11,26-38
[11]And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
[26]And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
[27]And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
[28]Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
[29]Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
[30]And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
[31]And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
[32]The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
[33]In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
[34]And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
[35]Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
[36]And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
[37]And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
[38]And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Notice Philip got a testimony of the eunuch's belief in Christ before baptizing him.

This is why I said Catholics who were baptized as infants should perhaps rebaptize in adulthood because as infants their parents or guardians professed faith on their behalf before they were baptized. As infants, they had no conviction nor professed faith in Christ of their own before being baptized.
I was born into a Catholic family and I'm still a Catholic, but when I came into adulthood I had to rebaptize because by my own convictions and faith in Christ Jesus not of my parents. Jesus said, [i]"... He (that is, the individual) that believeth and is baptized..." [/i]He that will be baptized must do the believing himself and not someone else doing the believing on his behalf.

In the final analysis, the children of Israel were baptized unto Moses and that opens the door into their promise land; Elisha was baptized unto Elijah and that opens the door for him to step into the office of the prophet; John the Baptist baptized many and it opens the way for the Messiah to come, the Lord Jesus was baptized and the heaven over him was opened, the Ethiopian eunuch was baptized and that opens Africa to the gospel of Christ, the disciples were baptized on the day of Pentecost and it opens the world to the gospel of Christ.

I'm confident that when you, the reader, get baptized, the heaven over you will open up.

Do not hoard knowledge, propagate it!

Jesus is Lord!

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3nity7:
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MaxInDHouse:
That means you didn't understand the post to have everlasting life we must be at peace with both the father and His son! John 17:3

Brother scriptures says he who hath the Son hath the Father. If you have fellowship with the Son, you have fellowship with the Father.

Stop trying to make the Father and Son mutually exclusive. I understand you meant well but let's just leave it the way Scripture has it.

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