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Bahamas95:
You guys are just deceiving yourselves, the church is in your heart and not just a physical building.

Brother those who go to church are not deceiving themselves. The Bible says, faith without corresponding action is dead.
You see, if the church is in your heart, you will show it in the open amongst your brethren, in the congratulation of the children of God. The Bible says:

1 Timothy 5:8
[8]But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.


You see, that text is talking about providing for your family. Yet in this context, the church is the family of every one born again child of God. So if you are not contributing to the growth of the church either through fellowship or in giving, the Bible says, you have denied the faith, and you're worse than an unbeliever.

Urgent1Million:
Come to church without contributing offering or paying tithes when someone will tell me that I am robbing god?
No thank you.
As for giving freely, I currently give out more than what the pastors will even demand. I'd rather use my Sundays productively than sit down and listen to some motivational speaker tell me to pray to god when I need something but ask people to contribute money for him when he needs something.
Isn't that concerning?

Brother don't kill the messenger. The Bishop is not telling you and have never said in his life in the ministry that anyone is robbing God for not giving. Brother it is God Himself who said you are robbing Him. The Bishop is only preaching the word of God as it is written

Malachi 3:7-8
[7]Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
[8]Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.


The late Dr. Chinua Achebe wrote a classical novel titled: "Things fall apart: the centre cannot hold." This book is speaking to the political upheaval of Nations. Now if I go to the National Assembly of any nation in the world and quote those lines of phrase by Chinua Achebe, does that make me the Author of that phrase? No. The Author remains Chinua Achebe.

Therefore, it is God saying you have robbed me in tithes and offerings, not the Bishop.

Urgent1Million:
Lol...
Matured in love you say?
There isn't any love in the church. Take away the tithes and offerings and you'll see the real character of your pastors and church leaders.
Even the devil will show you "love" when he wants to collect something from you.

Brother, do you know you can come to church for the rest of your days upon the earth and no man will coeherse you to give tithes and offerings.

You see, the Bible says, "if there first be a willing mind." And in another place scripture says, "if ye be willing and obedient."

As a Christian, the love of God should make you to give willingly even without being preached to. Life is all about giving. Plants give oxygen to man; and man gives Carbon dioxide to plants. The rain falls off the sky upon the earth, and the earth yied her fruits. The fruits and plants through transpiration and evaporation gives back water to the sky. The cycle is all about giving.

So if tithes and offerings will hinder you from going to church, let me encourage you that nobody will force you to give when you make up you mind to attend. And as a matter of fact, for every one Christian who refuses to give a minimum N50 offering for the growth of the church, God will raise 1000 more persons that will give in millions of Naira.

Praise God

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Truthseeker10:
Oga you gave no point....just rest. So we should go to gilead to be cured? You are very funny.

Brother, the Bible says, Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.

paxonel:
What is Canaan land and who is Bishop?

If you'd read that article thoroughly, you would have known what Canaan Land is, and who the Bishop is also.
I'd advise you take your time and read that post carefully through to grasp the answers to your questions: because the answers are therein in the latter end of the article.

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Truthseeker10:
Do you have authority more than James 5:14? If James 5:14 does not say we should go to a doctor according to you, why are you now saying that there is nothing wrong in seeing a doctor? Why are you adding to the word of God?

1 Corinthians 14:38
[38]But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Don't be ignorant as touching this matter. I believe you could read. Let me put it here in plain sight again:

Jeremiah 46:11
[11]Go up into Gilead, and take balm, O virgin, the daughter of Egypt: in vain shalt thou use many medicines; for thou shalt not be cured.

James 5:14
[14]Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

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Recently I was discussing with a brother, who is a Winner, and he said to me that he's not one to attend the community church. That he likes attending service in Canaan Land. This got me thinking: because ever since I became a Winner, I have not deliberated attending service at Canaan Land. Though I have had the longing to go but I'd not really giving much effort to it.

Recently, upon thinking about the words of that brother, that he's not one to attend the community church, I was like, is there something wrong about attending the community church? I looked around me and noticed that many around our community are like that brother. They don't like attending service at the community church. They rather go to Canaan Land to hear Bishop, which is good and fine.
As that thought became preponderate on my mind, I realized that even some Winners who reside opposite the community church, on Sunday morning ,prepare to attend service at Canaan Land.

Now don't get me wrong, there's nothing bad in going to Canaan Land if you're resident around Lagos-Ota and environs. However, the local community churches also need people to develop them. They need the strength of all and sundry to make the local church as aesthetic as what we have in Canaan Land today.

Unfortunately, many who go to Canaan Land are, by my own submission, presumptuous that the local Pastors don't have the same anointing as Bishop, which is true: because the disciple cannot be greater than the master (Matthew 9:11). However, the same corporate anointing which flows from Canaan Land is the same in all the local community churches. But many don't believe this, and so many are not well established as a Winner in their local church communities.

At one time, Bishop said, God showed him fire, as in the anointing, coming down and splitting into several splinters. This the Lord said to him that the same anointing that is resident in Canaan Land, is resident in all the local assemblies and Home Cells. Now why many don't believe this and attend services in their local assemblies, but would rather go to Canaan Land, I don't know. Many perhaps do not believe in the words of the Bishop in this aspect, or they would rather see Bishop than the local Pastor.

2 Chronicles 20:20
[20]And they rose early in the morning, and went forth into the wilderness of Tekoa: and as they went forth, Jehoshaphat stood and said, Hear me, O Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem; Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper.

Notice scripture says, "... Believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper." You see, many are not prospering in their local assemblies because they do not take heed to the words of the prophet concerning the fact the the same corporate anointing in Canaan Land is obtainable in all local assemblies. For the Bishop had said, the same corporate anointing which is resident in Canaan Land, resides in all the local community churches, and Home Cells.
That statement is scriptural. And until many a Winner believe in it, they shall not be established amongst their brethren in their local assemblies.
Now why did I say that statement by the Bishop is scriptural? In 1 Samuel the thirtieth chapter, David speaking by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost says:

1 Samuel 30:24
[24]For who will hearken unto you in this matter? but as his part is that goeth down to the battle, so shall his part be that tarrieth by the stuff: they shall part alike.

Notice that text says, "... But as his part is that goeth down to the battle, so shall his part be that tarrieth by the stuff: they shall part alike."
Put somewhat differently in this context, 'But as the blessings and encounters of he that attend service in Canaan Land, so shall his blessings and encounters be that tarrieth in the local assembly: they both shall part alike.'

When I got this revelation, I decided there is no need heading down to Canaan Land, when I can have the same blessings by walking a stone throw from my house to the local assembly.

As a Winner, you are part of the Living Faith Church Worldwide, founded by Bishop David Oyedepo. While Canaan Land is the international headquarters of the church, attendance is not mandatory.

The church encourages members to attend services at their local assemblies or community churches, which are usually closer and more convenient. These local assemblies are still part of the Living Faith Church Worldwide and provide opportunities for worship, teaching, and fellowship.

However, attending services at Canaan Land can be a powerful and enriching experience, especially during special programs and events. Many Winners do travel to Canaan Land for these occasions, but it's not a requirement.

Ultimately, as a Winner, you should seek to attend services at a location that feeds your spirit and helps you grow in your faith, whether that's at your local community church or Canaan Land.


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Truthseeker10:
Oga if you can't show me where James 5:14 tells you to go to the hospital, then you are a false teacher.

Off course, James 5:14 did not say is any one sick, let one see a physician. Rather, the text says, Is any sick among you, let him call for the elders of the church, and let them anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord: the prayer of faith shall save the sick. And if he's committed sins, the Lord shall raise him up.

Truthseeker, all you need to do when you're sick is to stand on that verse in James 5:14, and the prayer of faith will heal you.

But I will not have any man bound because faith is in measures. Therefore, if any have faith to be healed according to James 5:14 let it be according to his faith. And if any have faith that after being prayed for, if he see a physician, God would direct the hands of the physician to effect the much-needed healing, let it be according to his faith. For God is ever faithful to reach us and help us at every measure of our faith.

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Truthseeker10:
So where does James 5:14 say we should go to a doctor? If you can't answer that question then you are teaching false doctrine.

Was Asa given the instruction in James 5:14?

Brother you are the very one that asked the questions that if a man is sick and go see a doctor, if he has sinned or not.

I have not changed what I bagn declaring to you since you asked that question, that the Bible says in James 5:14

James 5:14
[14]Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

This is word of the Lord. When the sick act on it, the prayer of faith shall heal the sick and if he's committed sins, the Lord shall raise him up.

You see, concerning the sick, the Spirit asked the question:

Jeremiah 8:22
[22]Is there no balm in Gilead; is there no physician there? why then is not the health of the daughter of my people recovered?


This text is speaking to the healing anointing in Christ Jesus. And the Spirit is asking why are my people not accepting the healing which Jesus had already wrought for them (Matthew 8:17)?

The answer to that question as touching divine healing is given here below:

Jeremiah 46:11
[11]Go up into Gilead, and take balm, O virgin, the daughter of Egypt: in vain shalt thou use many medicines; for thou shalt not be cured.


That text just got through saying, go up to Gilead and take balm. That is, accept the healing which Jesus has wrought already because in many medicines thou shall not be cured.

You see, sickness has a spiritual cause: sin (Act 10:38). In the world of medicine there is a saying, "We treat, but God cures."

All the sick need to do is act on God's word!

Truthseeker10:
Is seeing a doctor allowed in James 5:14? If yes, show me where the verse says so.

The Bible did not say king Asa did a wrong thing for not seeking God first concerning his sickness. Rather, the Bible says, "... Yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians."

The import of that statement is that Asa should have sought the LORD first. This is corroborated by James 5:14

Truthseeker10:
Does James 5:14 recommend seeing a doctor? Yes or no?

James 5:14

[14] is there any sick among you, let him call for the elders of the church, and let them anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord, and the prayer of faith shall save the sick. And if he has committed sins, the Lord shall raise him up

Brother, one could believe when one is prayed for, one would receive one's healing. Another could believe when he's prayed for, and he sees a physician, God would direct the hand of the physician to effect the much-needed healing.

Faith is in levels and measures.

Truthseeker10:
Does Jemes 5:14 recommend seeing a doctor after prayer?

It is according to your faith. I had already expalined that earlier: but it bears repeating

... One could believe when he's prayed for, he would receive his healing. Another could believe when he's prayed for, and he sees a physician, God would direct the hand of the physician to effect the much-needed healing.

Faith is in levels and measures.

Truthseeker10:
So which one has greater faith in the example above?

Is the second example in line with James 5:14?

If you know the category you belong to as explained, then you will receive according to the measure of your faith.

1. Peter had a little faith and he was able to walk on water for a while.
2. The woman with the issue of blood had great faith that when she touch the hem of Jesus' garment she would be healed: and she was healed.

It is according to your faith!

Truthseeker10:
Why should there be an "even if" after following James 5:14?

That's because it's according to your faith. One could believe when he's prayed for, he would receive his healing. Another could believe when he's prayed for, and he sees a physician, God would direct the hand of the physician to effect the much-needed healing.

Faith is in levels and measures.

Truthseeker10:
If I do exactly what James 5:14 says, why do I still need a physician?

I said "even if" you will eventually see a physician. This means you might not need to: because the Bible says, the Lord shall raise him up!

James 5:14

[14] is there any sick among you, let him call for the elders of the church, and let them anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord, and the prayer of faith shall save the sick. And if he has committed sins, the Lord shall raise him up.

Truthseeker10:
So if I go to the hospital when I am sick, am I seeking God first according to James 5:14? Yes or no?

King James Bible
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

Brother when you're sick, first and foremost, do exactly what James 5:14 says, even if you will eventually see a physician, "Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord..."

Truthseeker10:
So if I go to the hospital when I am sick, am I seeking God first? Yes or no?

Seeking God is hearing from Him and leaving and acting on his words. The Bible says, "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him" (Hebrews 10:38). Asa sought not the Lord, but to the physicians, and he died.

2 Chronicles 16:12-13
[12]And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.
[13]And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.

Truthseeker10:
So if I go to the hospital when I am sick, am I seeking God first?

Dear brother,

I have piped to you, yet you wouldn't dance.

Seeking God is hearing from Him and living and acting on his words. The Bible says, "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him"
(Hebrews 10:38).

Truthseeker10:
Has a person who does not seek God first done something wrong?

The Bible did not say king Asa did a wrong thing for not seeking God first concerning his sickness. Rather, the Bible says, "... Yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians."

The import of that statement is that Asa should have sought the LORD first.

Truthseeker10:
Good. So how can you now say that going to the hospital is good and fine.

So we must not go to the hospital in order to please God? True or false?

I said, there's nothing wrong in seeing a doctor. But it is good, ultimately, to seek God first.
You see, king Asa did not die because he sought the physicians rather than God, but the Bible says, Asa did not sought God concerning his sickness.
Pleasing God is acting by faith; and faith comes by hearing the word of God.

You are a good guy Truthseeker. But let's put God's word first above all else, however good the intention notwithstanding.

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Truthseeker10:
So if I put God first, why should I still go to the hospital?
Is going to the hospital not a sign of lack of faith in God?

Brother, the Bible says, King Asa did not sought the LORD concerning his sickness, and he died.

2 Chronicles 16:12-13
[12]And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.
[13]And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.

Truthseeker10:
So is going to the hospital a sign of lack of faith in God?

Brother, I just got through telling you that going to see a doctor is good and fine, but before you do, endeavour to put God's word first.
King Asa did not sought the LORD, and he died of his sickness.

2 Chronicles 16:12-13
[12]And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.
[13]And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.

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