₦airaland Forum

1. Atiku former former VP
2. Bola Tinubu
3.Abubakar Atiku Bagudu, governor of Kebbi State etc.

I learnt the most corrupt persons according to APC (Obanikoro, NOI, Orubebe and co) visit the State as I do go to Obalende from Ajah.

Dasini:
A lion indeed, I remember how obasanjo dealth with this acclaimed lion, na usain bolt legs he borrowed to run out of ado, calling fayose a lion, is comparing life with death, that dude is just a loud mouth, and a tout, I remembered wen I was a student in ekiti in 2004, he came to address us after students protested of maltreatment from drivers. His reply and comment indeed showed, he is unintelligent, he said "I can ask police to start shooting at you(students), a gathering of over 4 thousand students with about 800 police officers, he was however fast in cunningly dance to student tunes. This dude is an empty drum, some of the things we even read, I doubt if bros is actually the one writing. I remembered the president of the SUG back then wanting to mount podium, fayose refused him, the noisy shout and angered that rented the atmosphere forced him to concur. And when he(student head) addressed us, people hail, bt wen it was Gov's turn, some dude said, fayose olodo, meaning, dull governor, he didn't do GNS in schl. He laughed, and said, students are crazy. For me for the years of his first term in office, it was marred with killings, daramola and fasuba are few of many, a gov that leads touts to assault and maim perceived enemies, no respect for elders, he had serious issues with ewi of ado-ekiti and others prominent rulers. He has an agenda, that is why he is busy shouting all around, as if these things were nt there during PDP era. He is not bt a hypocrite, u condemn someone for travelling to china and days after he embarked on same. Ur can

And u called Amaechi the outcast loved by outsider Lion and he couldn't win his local government despite the fact that he was given a full battalion of soldiers to rig. hypocrisy should be changed to your very name.

igboboy3:
Absolutely insensitive!! She could have chosen any other day, but she chose the day of the anniversary of the Chibok girls abduction.

The worst part is the governors of the 36 states are going to stockpile copies of a book on beauty therapy

Stop ds nonsense, which 36 governors? just say the states under the control of APC

ellovee:
Why didn't they specify the part of North that owns what, the way they specify those of South

We ain't complaining, it is none of yo business, let yo apc specify theirs.

lonamy:
PDP has missed it very BIG this time around. So, South Easterners can never be President in this country again?.

How is it your business with PDP zoning arrangement? Let yo APC zone the presidency to the East, we ain't complaining.

pls who are the lawyers? Op just say APC lawyers like Itsa Sagay criticize Senator. I for one embrace this amendment, because it is being used as instrument of oppression by the Presidency.

Hassan Dankwambo for President come 2019

modath:
PDP is just doing their usual mago mago, they just want to woo back the north by subterfuge, they have no blueprint!!!

NW has the highest no of Reg Voters, you actually think PDP will pull the plug on its comatose state by zoning them out NOW?

NE is being gradually rehabbed by & the trioka featherweights politicians from that side do not command enough grassrOot support so as to make a bold stand on

NC?? , No brainer, it's full of a million minority tribes, it's the twin of SS, unless by happenstance, PDP ain't ceding nothing that way!!

Pls correct yo self on the population of south south.
From 1999 to date the South South has always garner more votes than the South East and West.

Sweetlemon:
Do me I do you ke? Point of correction it is "Do me I do me too"

Awon olodo buruku jati jati that think that "doing Buhari" is a way of revenging for GEJ. You are simply doing your dumb as.s self cos if Buhari fails, you will be the most affected by it. Let's look at it this way,
1) Does Buhari queue for fuel
No. There are free filling stations in aso rock
2) Does Buhari have issues sending his children abroad
No. His salary alone is enough to tidy that up.
3) Does Buhari and his family have issues feeding themselves due to high food stuff price nowadays
Hell no! All he need to do is write a budget for his kitchen, even his dogs and he has it!

4) Will a single pin touch Buhari and his family in any case of terrorism outbreak?
Hell no! Not a single pin. He has all the security he needs.

Now ask yourself all those questions and see if you won't be f**ked by the slightest social/economic/political/religious disturbance in the country.
Awon efulefu! Shior!


Gosh! But sometimes one can't help but use insults on these set of humans.

Hypocrites

whenever I remember how APC goons celebrated Rotimi Amaechi when he was insulting Jonathan and his immediate family, but disparate Fayose for criticizing Buhari, I laugh out loud. If not for Fayose, who could've fight for us against the human right abuse, the molestation of opposition and the executive rascality? Like him or hate him, he is the LION of modern democracy and not one toy whom you guys referred to as the Lion of Ubima but couldn't deliver even his local government for APC in the just concluded Rivers rerun.

babadee1:
Ok fine let's assume you're right. Her father the VP is a thief and she knows about it. What is her own responsibility in the matter? Should she report him to EFCC or what? She shouldn't post pics on Instagram again forever? She should not enjoy her life again? She should just lay down and die? Abeg free the girl and face the politicians that you voted for. She has never asked for anyone's votes in her young life.

But u never freed Jonathan's immediate family?

Guyman02:
Modified: Even in America personal lives of the children of their politicians is a NO GO area. A woman resigned from her job the other time for a post on Facebook about Obamas daughter Malia dressing.

You can attack the President or Vice anyday as we do here daily by calling them (Dullard, Clueless, Wailer, Zombie, Baba Go slow, Otuoke fisherman etc) but not their family members except if they are holding a public office.

I guess u weren't part of those Zombies that insulted Jonathan and his family day in day out.

Afghanistan or South Sudan

Keneking:
One out of ten months ie F9.
Jonathan pls talk to Dickson, I blame them ..they had the option of voting APC and they refused over branded 5kg rice and 5litres red oil.
Anyway, serves them good.

Who was the APC candidate? the drug addict? Or the Chief Executive of Vikings World Wide?

Tokety7:
1) First and foremost, this is azikwe road alongside the monorail track and not aba road
2) I still made use of Azikwe road late last week, there is nothing wrong with that road as at that week and no worker was working on the road.
Is it that between last week and this week, this road went bad and contractor are immediately mobilized?
3) Monorail was never abandoned by Amaechi, it was ongoing. Instead wike abandoned it having sworn not to touch it. use ur head.

Pending when i will ply this same road next week Gods willing to authenticate what i am seeing here, i can sense lies somewhere.

Pls can u enumerate the usefulness of the elephant monorail project embarked by Amaechi that justifies the over #45b spent on it?

swagzofroyalty:
The act is simply a crime

Please try and read properly so u will comprehend my position before u quote me out of context. I never said the act is or not. I was talking about the Preliminary objection Saraki filed. He didn't coach it as "the alleged act" rather he challenged the generality of the Tribunal's criminal jurisdiction, which was a disservice on his counsel part.

swagzofroyalty:
A Law demanding for a Suspect or an accused to defend himself in private is a violation of section 36 of the constitution on open trial and same cannot invalidate a criminal trial. The reason for the calling was to clarify ambiguity if any exist but with the kind of Kwara State Government fund lodged in his personal Account, his fraudulent intentions has been established.

Point of correction, the requirement u r quoting is not for an accused, it is at the time of filling the form and not when he is been found culpable. The word accused is at the arraignment level. The essence of calling on the person is to ensure that the person is sure of the information he or she provided. This is the reason Tinubu was freed by same Justice Umar. He overruled himself because of the word " May" which I earlier made reference to.
On the issue of Kwara State government lodging money into his account, that is the reason we called it persecution. The CCT or CCB has no jurisdiction on it. That is simply an efcc matter because it bothers on Financial crime and not declaration of assets. I see no rational behind that statement from the witness and I am taken aback as to why didn't Saraki's lawyer object to such line of question because it has no relevancy to the case before the tribunal.
As a matter of principle, character evidence in criminal matter is inadmissible except the Defendant make a case out of it or the character of the Defendant or Accused is an Issue.
On relevancy of the evidence, see Julius Berger v. Useni a "celebra causa" on this.

iyke926:
Who dash Udom... He was just a comfortable millionaire before he became governor of Akwa Ibom State.

U don't even know Udom, where was he when Akpabio appointed him as Secretary?

dyydxx:
The acts are criminal by virtue of the act establishing CCT

Ok, let me agree with u because I v not gone through the charge sheet itself.

lawnreigh:
But barrister after everything is said and done, who did you think the ruling will favour in this case in the long run. Saraki or FG and if it's in favour of FG, What is the chances of Saraki in case of Appeal or Supreme Court? Thanks

I am not the justices so I can tell. However, if there will be anything that will favour Saraki, it will come from the Supreme Court, me personally I don't trust Court of Appeal Judges. The only escape rout the Supreme Court will give Saraki is on the requirement that "the person who gave the false declaration may be invited to clarify any ambiguity". The Supreme Court will determine the word "May".In law, words are not just as u see them. Two people can define the word "May" in two different ways. In doing this, the Supreme Court will look at the mischief the law intended to correct. It will interprete the intentions of the lawmakers on the requirements of inviting the person (Saraki) to clarify the ambiguity. Take for instance the Orubebe's case, the witnesses said they wrote to Orubebe to come and clarify but he fails to come. Whereas, in the Saraki's case, he was not invited and that is why I am sensing persecution. Why giving others the time to come and clarify the form but denied Saraki same right.
In a nutshell, the word "May" will determine Saraki's case at the Supreme Court.

dyydxx:
Simple question sir,

Does the act establishing the CCT make it a criminal court?

Your concerns have been well addressed
http://www.ndibe.org/2016/02/cct-supreme-court-dismisses-sarakis.html

Making his argument, Joseph Daodu, Saraki’s lawyer, pegged his brief on three points. He argued that the CCT, in its trial of the senate president, was not properly constituted, and that the tribunal was not a court of competent criminal jurisdiction. “The CCT is just a disciplinary panel for public officers,” he had said. He also argued that the case against his client was not properly initiated owing to the absence of an attorney-general at the time.

But Rotimi Jacobs, counsel to the CCT, urged the apex court to dismiss Saraki’s appeal for lack of merit. He argued that tribunal was properly constituted, as only two members were required to form a quorum to sit in judgment on a case. He further argued that in the absence of the attorney-general of the federation, an officer in his office could initiate criminal proceedings against anyone as was in the case against the senate president. On November 12, 2015, the supreme court asked the CCT to stay proceedings in the trial of Saraki, pending the determination of the appeal before it.

In October 2015, Saraki approached the appeal court, asking it to quash his trial at the CCT. His request was also grounded in the argument that the CCT was not properly constituted, and that the tribunal lacked the power to try criminal matters. But on October 30, 2015, the appeal court dismissed Saraki’s argument that the CCT was not a court of competent jurisdiction to handle the criminal charges preferred against him. “The CCT is a court of criminal jurisdiction, albeit limited jurisdiction,” the court had held.


“The immediate question is whether it is a court or not. There is no inherent difference between a court and a tribunal. The only difference is that tribunals in most cases handle special cases. The tribunal has power to impose sanctions according to the law. It is a court with specific criminal jurisdiction.” On November 5, 2015, Saraki’s lawyers walked out of the CCT courtroom after the tribunal ruled that the trial must continue despite the pending appeal at the supreme court

so am asking what again remains?

What the Supreme ruled on was whether it has criminal jurisdiction.
The supreme court from your post held in the affirmative, however with a "but".
i.e limited criminal jurisdiction.
The issue before the court was not whether the charge was a criminal charge, Saraki only quarries the criminal jurisdiction of the cct which I earlier held that it is when the act in question is a crime. Saraki's lawyer is only trying to raise frivolous, scandalous and vexatious objection. He shouldn't have quarried the general jurisdiction of the cct. What he should've quarried was whether the alleged breach of the act amounts to crime or civil breach of trust.

ikwubaba:
So are we discussing civil matter here? false asset declaration is criminal.

In interpretation of law, the court employs different canons of interpretation. It depends on the judge's school of thought. He may decide to follow; the mischief rule, the golden rule, the literal rule etcetera.
It depends on w the judge. What a good lawyer does is to read the mindset of the judge. If I am Saraki's lawyer, I will advice him to go for political settlement because with the demeanor of Umar, it is clear Saraki won't escape it. Maybe that is why his lawyer is doing everything possible to delay the trial with series of preliminary objections.

Oxenomy:
I will like you to throw more light this intending law will have on Saraki's case.. Thank you!

It won't have any effect on Saraki's case. It is a trite principle of law that, the rules of court in effect when a matter comes up is what the court will use in deciding the case. The rules of court here is the ACJA. Rules of court is a procedural law and not substantive law. The Rules applicable now will be used to decide his case and not the prospective rules.
My argument is about the principle of "retrospective in criminal trial".

dyydxx:
But the Supreme court already affirmed the jurisdiction of the CCT as a criminal court empowered by the Act setting it up to trial cases like Sarakis. So what exactly would be challenged again after the Supreme Court has ruled in its favour

Please tell me where the Supreme Court affirmed it as a criminal court? In whose case, because I know that was not part of the preliminary objections Saraki raised which the supreme court ruled on.

CFCman:
The CCT has the power to impose criminal punishments http://www.hipernetix.com/ccb/estbalishmentCCT.html

read the proviso, "where the act is a criminal offence"

CFCman:
Although the Tribunal is not a traditional court, it has the power to impose criminal punishment of any party guilty of contravening any part of the Code of Conduct statute.

The constitution in section 36 ( talks about the right against retrospective application of punishment. The constitution is against charging someone to court for an act which was not an offence when it was committed. The constitution goes against the legislation of retrospective criminal laws to enhance punishment. The legislature can make a law and backdate same provided the punishment can't be backdated.
In other angle, the CCT is not a superior court of record. Go and read the supreme court decisions about the Trade Dispute Act. This prompted the NASS to amend the constitution and include the Industrial Court to be among the superior courts of record.
This Saraki's case will take a long time to be finalized. I am speaking from the bar with my 6yrs experience as a learned man. So many issues will rise against the powers of the cct to cloth itself as a criminal court. Read the thread again and see the argument of my learned senior, Senator N. Peter about the contravention of the CCB act against the constitution and that of the ACJA which vested the cct with the power to use it's rules.

2BB4CB3E:
Ure the only reasonable person that I have seen on nairaland thumbs up

birds of a feathers howl together

CFCman:
Again, if another bill is introduced to confer immunity on the Senate president and/or Speaker, it wouldn't affect Saraki's present case. It is still the same constitutional principle of ex post facto that bars laws from having retroactive effect.

How many times will u b tutored on the principle of retrospective law. The law talks about criminal laws and not civil pls. go and read yo constitution well.

abbey621:
Are we not forgetting something here? Even if it passes both chambers, would it not require the signature of the president in order to become law?

I see why Zombies are called that name. Please go to the constitution and read about the passage of an Act by the NASS. I won't give you the section because you will end up blaming Jonathan for the section that empowers the NASS to override the presidential assent after 30days.

amaechi1:
Some of us are celebrating this criminals who has looted this country, thinking that PMB will be a casualty. They have absolutely display their worth, not for the people but for themselves. Someone was accused of false assets declaration and embezzling the state fund. They best they can do is to change the law. How many law have they passed that will benefit the people. They woman right bill was through almost immediately.

What a shame!

What a pathetic comment. You praised Buhari for perpetrating impunity and you are castigating the senate.
No one is against the fight against corruption, what we are against is not following due process.
What have u said concerning the continue incarceration of the leader of the Shiites? Let's leave the corruption matter and talk about the impunity being perpetrated against the leader of the Shiites. Stop allowing emotions to control your reasoning. I recommend you to read "The Republic" by Plato on allowing your reasoning to be overwhelmed by emotions.

CFCman:
The constitution bars the National Assembly from making retroactive laws (i.e. ex post facto).

Thus, even if the proposed amendment is passed by both chambers, vetoed by the president, and the NASS overrides the veto with a 2/3 majority in both houses, the law would not apply to Saraki's case because his case commenced before the enactment of the law. Also, other pending cases before the CCT won't be affected by the proposed legislation.

The proposed new law will only take effect on future cases i.e. cases commenced after the day of enactment of the amendments.

that is misinterpretation of the constitution, the constitution only bars retrospective criminal laws. The CCT is not a criminal court neither is the Act a criminal Act