IPOB REMAINS my BEST pressure group in Nigeria ever.

All the mockers and jesters on this thread are not half as courageous and diasporic as IPOB movement.

aribisala0:

Guy you will not get away with fictitious quotes .What is wrong with "loving" women are we supposed to hate them

There is no where God rebuked Solomon forhaving many women.
It has correlation wwith the irreleance you brought up that I responded to

Don't just read the scriptures, STUDY the scriptures.

Its embarassing that as a Christian supposedly who claim to know the scripture, you don't see the correlation between Solomon's overindulgence with women and idol worship of which God warned him.

All these have NOTHING to do with tithes.

I won't go any further, God bless you.

Danladi7:

Cant you see the topic of the thread?

That is Tagentiality coupled with you guys persecutory and grandiose delusion,all symptoms of schizophrenia is complete in you guyz ....however,to hell with Abacha,buhari,nnamdi kanu and you Aba made jews.



MO COMOT JARE,TAG YOUR FELLOW JOBLESS IPOB
TERRORISTS AND ABA MADE JEW TO GROW YOUR
UNITY BEGGING THREAD,BYE

I know you feel threatened by the efforts been made by afenifere and ohaneze to restore unity and love between Igbo and Yoruba. How pathetic.

I can completely maul you online if I want to, but am more mature than that.

Don't kill yourself over Igbo matters.

aribisala0:

Did God Rebuke Solomon for having 700 concubines?

I guess that is OK then

Yes God rebuked Solomon. The Bible said "Solomon loved women....." so much that they made him yield to worshipping foreign gods. 700 concubines and about 300 wives was enough evidence to prove that Solomon was a womanizer.

God warned him severally through dreams, but Solomon heeded to none of it, he was hooked already.

All these however has no correlation with tithing. See eh.... It dosent really bother me where you stand, but pray sincerely that God should lead you.

I rest my case. God bless you sir.

http://www.tribuneonlineng.com/celebrating-ironsi-fajuyi-open-new-vista-igbo-yoruba-relationship-afenifere-ohanaeze-ndigbo/


The celebration tagged, “Handshake across the Niger,” organised by a Think-tank group, Nzoko Umunna, under the auspices of Afenifere and Ohanaeze Ndigbo, to hold January 11, in Enugu, is expected to witness the biggest gathering ever of Igbo and Yoruba.

The planning committee for the event headed by Mr Yinka Odumakin, Senator Chris Anyanwun and Biodun Sowunmi, said this at a press conference it addressed in Lagos, describing both Ironsi and Fajuyi as gallant officers that deserved to be celebrated, having demonstrated a bond that passeth all understanding which still lived years after they had died

Speaking on behalf of the committee, Odumakin, while recalling how both Ironsi and Fajuyi were killed by the coupists, said it was “difficult to celebrate one without mentioning the other as they became one inseparable spirit in their last hours on earth.”

According to him, dignitaries expected at the event include governors, prominent Nigerians, traditional rulers, among others.

“The event will hold under the joint chairmanship of former Chief of General Staff, Commodore Ebitu Ukiwe and the Olu of Ido-Ani, Oba (General) Olufemi Olutoye.

“The chairman of Southern Governors’ Forum and Lagos State governor, Mr Akinwunmi Ambode; Chairman of South -East Governors’ Forum and Ebonyi State governor, Chief David Umahi; Abia State governor, Chief Okezei Ikpeazu and the Ekiti State governor, Mr Ayodele Fayose, are special guests of honour expected on the occasion.

“The Ooni of Ife, Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi and the Obi of Onitsha, Igwe Alfred Achebe, will be royal fathers of the day.

“The leader of Afenifere, Chief R. F. Fasoranti and President- General of Ohanaeze Ndigbo, Chief John Nwodo, will receive guests in the Coal City. We look forward to a big celebration of friendship, harmony and inter-ethnic understanding in Enugu, on January 11, Odumakin said.

Noting that the wrong narratives over the years had been the defining points of Igbo-Yoruba relationship while playing to the background this finest moment of the uncommon bond, Odumakin said it was now a new day as the best of Yoruba and Igbo gathered to celebrate Ironsi and Fajuyi as well as construct the East-West bridge of understanding.

It will be recalled that Ironsi was in Ibadan as guest of Fajuyi to address natural rulers which he already did

when the coupists stormed the Government House, Ibadan, arrested the duo, took them to a village near Lalupon, killed and buried them in a shallow grave.[color=#006600][/color]

Mynd44 OAM4J

aribisala0:

Killing women and children is very scriptural,So is taking other people's wives,having dozens of concubines etc

Never mind eh... Don't bother yourself. No one is forcing you to pay tithes. You don't have to turn the scriptures upside down in order to crucify tithing.

It is well.

MrPristine:


Abraham also slept with and impregnated his house maid which makes it scriptural. Going by your twisted logic, as Christians we should be free to sleep with whoever suits our fancy. That is apart from the fact that the version of tithes preached and practiced today is different from the obsolete biblical type.

See how obviously INCOHERENT you are, attempting to relate tithing to sleeping with a maid.... Your itching ear is quite obvious.... You cant stop tithing because it comes with its own blessing. No body is forcing you to pay tithes. Your noise will soon fade.

aribisala0:

You have said nothing

Taking people's wives is scriptural King David did it deal with it
That a thing is scriptural does not mean it is good or a commandment

Suit yourself. It won't stop or change anything. Tithing is very scriptural and has its own blessings.

MrPristine:


All this revelation you are shouting upandan is at best a fraudulent manipulation to me. Fact is that Melchizedek was a King priest and Kings used to collect a tithe as taxes in those days.

So be it to you. Your opinions are inconsequential. Tithing is scriptural. It started with Abraham. Deal with it.

MrPristine:


He was a King priest and Kings in those days use to collect a tithe as a form of taxation.

even you know that your response was empty and shallow.

Study Hebrews7:1-3 and tell us who Melchizedek king of Salem was.

If you don't get this, then you lack the revelation of who Melchizedek was.

And so....? He is a minister and that is his God-ordained ministry

MrPristine:


Your appealing to this "revelation" rhetoric is at best dishonest to me and any discerning person. The bible never said that it was by revelation so stop committing the sin of adding to scriptures. We know from history that tithing was a custom were Abraham came from so that was clearly the reason he tithes. Does it even make sense to have a revelation of what was already commonly practiced in an area. What kind of yeye revelation is that

Tell me who Melchizedek, king of Salem was and stop dillydallying....

Keep shifting the goalpost and be ignored for good.

Peacefullove:



Was Tithe used to cater for the early Ministers of Christianity or voluntary contributions ?

"Voluntary contributions" is an ambiguous term for tithes and offerings. They are not given compulsively.

Please study your bible along with seasoned bible commentaries. It will help you.

MrPristine:


I just provided evidence to you that Abraham tithes based on the customs of his people and you are still insisting it was by revelation without any evidence to back your fables. Stop making up stories and appealing to a fictitious"revelation" to justify the tithe scam. Tithing is an ancient pagan custom of the people from Mesopotamia were Abraham came from and that's why he tithes to the king of Salem. He didn't do it based on any imaginary revelation.

Who was Melchizedek, king of Salem? Tell me what the bible stated about Melchizedek. Tell me please.....I want to know, So we can from there deduce whether it was about customs or by revelation that Abraham tithed to Melchizedek.

aribisala0:

You are the one that needs to study deeply nut just Hebrews 7 but Hebrews 8.


That should confirm to you that there is no need any longer to pay tithes.

You can keep shifting the goal post if you want my brother.

Tithing should be done by revelation just as Abraham did, not by compulsion like the mosaic law.

Romans 2:28-29 shows that there are still REAL JEWS today, and Ephesians 4:11-12 proves that these Jews have MINISTERS after the order of christ our HIGH PRIEST, who ministers Gods words and power to them. The ministers and the ministries should be catered for, and tithes does exactly that.

aribisala0:

He did not give to God. HE gve to a KING.

The King ofSalem
Mechilzedek who was also a priest
Abraham was a very rich man blessed by God.

Did he ever for one day tithe his property to God?
I am not saying you shold not tithe I am saying it should be voluntary.Any erson whosays it is compulsory is a liar
No human is more blessed than another because he tithes and the other does not.
It is more important to do the Things Jesus talked about. Jesus has hundreds of quotes in the bible about dos and don'ts .Tithing is not on the list so tithing cannot be MORE IMPORTANT than those things Jesus felt it was necessary to talk about.

Seeking the kingdom of God and his righteousnes
feed the hungry
clothing the naked
comforting the wretched
Loving our neighbours as we love our selves

If you tithe and do not do these things you are wasting your time.If you do these things and do not tithe you are doing fine

That is the koko

Study HEBREWS 7: 1-10 deeply.

Levi, a latter descendant of Abraham paid tithes (through Abraham's war bounty) to melchizedek, the priest who had "no beginning nor end"....

Abraham's tithe was by revelation, not custom. Latter mosaic laws made it a Jewish custom.

MrPristine:


Abraham's tithe was not by revelation but based on the customs of his people. Abraham came from the land of Ur in Babylonia and tithing was a part of their custom then. If you doubt this just google the phrase 'babylonian tithe ' and you will get your answers. The Egyptians also had a pagan tithing tradition that predates the Jewish tithes so and Abraham visited Egypt so stop deceiving yourself that he had a revelation to tithe.

Tithing to Melchizedek, a priest (who had no beginning nor end) who wasn't from Ur WAS BY REVELATION my brother.

That said, your position on customary tithes of different lands who practiced theocracy in some form still helps in further buttressing my point.

joshnes:
There is a saying that evidence ends argument. Tithe was before the law, in the law and after the law. Abraham and Jacob paid tithe before the law, the Israelites paid in the law and Jesus (Who is said to come and abolish the law) urged us to tithe. How do I know? Matthew 23:23 (TLB) Jesus speaking "Yes, woe upon you, Pharisees and you other religious teachers - hypocrites! For you tithe down to the last mint leaf in your garden, but ignore the important things - justice and mercy and faith. YES, YOU SHOULD TITHE, but you shouldn't leave the more important things undone." This Is Jesus speaking in the New Testament, I personally believe that The Lord's Words is final. YOU SHOULD TITHE.

Thank you my brother.

aribisala0:

That is your interpretation. Mechilzedek was the king of Salem so I could argue he gave him tithe as lord of the Area . The bible does not say WHY he gave him the 10%

If they were his proceeds how come he said he had made a vow not to keep any of the proceeds and ended up giving away all the 90% to his men and the owners go and read the scripture.

He did not keep a goat for himself!

The so called proceeds was the wealth that had been stolen fro the kings of Sodom.Gomorra and 3 other kings and Abraham returned their wealth to them and the fighting men kept a tiny share

You really didn't know how wealthy Abraham was. Much of the war bounty was enough to be his tithe. Which means he had a tenfold of every proceed he made from the military campaign.

See eh, am not the one under pressure here. I have deep understanding about tithing by revelation, NOT bible theology.

aribisala0:

Tithe is an English word

The bible was not written in English. Tithe means 10% in English and refers to a TAX
In the bible the only LAWS relating to TITHE are about agricultural produce and THERE ARE SEVERAL TYPES OF TITHE
under the law yearly and 3 yearly eg ALL are about agricutural produce ,eating and drinking at the place the lord has chosen etc


You are projecting your own beliefs and opinions


What was the revelation that informed Abraham's tithe/.
Did Abraham pay tithe from his own property ? How ,How often to whom? Where
Can you provide EVIDENCE from the bible

My brother, you are painting a picture you only want to see. Trying to box me into your narrative and idea won't change things.

Tithing is giving a tenth of your proceeds, as simple as that. Don't intellectualize it.

Abraham gave his tithe to God, not to a human government, so it was a religious practice, only NOT in the similitude of the compulsive mosaic law.

I tithe, willingly and cheerfully, without compulsion. I know and understand the blessings it can bring. I do it by revelation, not by ignorance or head-knowlege. I know tithing is different from almsgiving. Ministers are not called into the "beggar and needy" category, the work of God MUST be taken care of by revelation.

aribisala0:

Do not mix Abraham and Jacob

Jacob gave a voluntary tithe there is no dispute.
It is not relevant to the Christian tithe that is provokng all this debate because that is being projected as a mandatory commandment from God. Do you accept that there was no commandment to Jacob? If there was provide evidence

Abraham did not give tithe from his property He went to war against 4 kings returned with loot and gave a tithe to Mechilzedek who was a king and a priest . He isnot on record as tithing his own property. The rest of the loot 90% he did not keep

So whether he gave Mechilzedek 10% because he is a king or for religious reasons the bible does not say

We do know that there is a commandment to share war loot fro Jehova much later
and this was for 1/500 nott 10%
Numbers 31:28

Abraham's "war bounties" were his PROCEEDS (not neccessarily his physical properties) as at the time. The bounty was enough for him to tithe. And he gave a tenth of it to the priest Melchizedek.

The tithe was even extended to his "loins"....that is, he also gave for his unborn descendants.

aribisala0:

Abraham tithing cannot be used as EVIDENCE for anything .We should not give it significance or meaning that it does not have.
Abraham DID NOT TITHE with his property

Let us define the word tithe.
It means 10% and has no religious signifcance . Unless we give it such.
One can tithe a cigarette ,a bottle of beer or a cannabis joint .It simply means giving 10% to another person.
Abraham did not go looking for a priest to tithe. HE went to war to recover stolen goods. In the process they took the property of the thieves. On their way back this priest who was also a king turned up and Abraham gave hi 10% of war loot while his men kept 90% Abraham himself kept nothing



This Mechilzedek was a king and a priest. There is no reason to conclude that giving him10% was because he was a priest and therefore was "giving to GOd". It could have been because he was a king who witnessed the sharing of plunder.

At any ate the formula for sharing plunder to God was not tithe but 1/500

Numbers Numbers 31:28

My brother, TITHING does not have two meanings. Go through various Bible commentaries and study it further. Abraham's tithe was the beginning and the first evidence of pre-law tithing.

Abraham tithed, obviously not by compulsion as done in the mosaic law era. He did his by REVELATION. and this attitude of his is exemplary. We should tithe by revelation.

slimghost:


I am not interested in your twisted argument. I just had to call you to order.
So answer my question and continue your job of twisting the scriptures for personal gain.
What is tithe?
What did Abraham give? 10 percent of his what?

You are not interested in my positions you consider "twisted", yet you want to ask me questions.

I leave you to your own self inflicted bitterness.

Stay on your lane. God bless you.

lisimmo:


All blessings in the Bible have physical manifestation. There is no such thing as a blessing that is unquantifiable.

1. God blessed Abraham: he had cattles and silver and gold and about 300 Henchmen under his care alone
2. God blessed Isaac and he had physical blessings (Gen 26:12- 16). To the point that the Philistines envied him
3. God blessed Solomon, we all know the story
4. God blessed that woman who had a few flour left for her family and she became an international merchant in the flour industry (exaggeration)
5. God blessed the woman who couldn't pay her husband's debt. She became the Oil Magnate of her time 2 Kings 4:1-7
6. God blessed Job before the devil struck, we can quantify what he had Job 1:1-10
7. God blesses Job after the devil struck, we can quantify what he now has. We saw that he had double Job 42:12-14
8. God blessed David, we know his story
9. What of Jabez

Heck even Malachi 3 tells us the quantity of the blessings : "... you won't have enough room to contain them". Room is physical, you don't need rooms for spiritual blessings.

I could go on and on. There is always a physical manifestation of that blessing. God's blessing is not MMM that will freeze up in one virtual world in accessible to the physical.

God is not MMM, yes. But God has principles. Gods blessings also can be "provoked" to rain down in many many ways. Tithing is one of the ways.

slimghost:


Stop confusing yourself and answer the simple question.
one tenth of what exactly? Abraham ONCE gave one tenth from his spoils of war and not from his earnings not income and you call that tithe? You are despicable and may God have mercy on you.

When you begin to run out of points, you begin to abuse.

Abraham tithing appeared only once in the bible does not mean one MUST be tithe once...one can tithe as much as he can. It is a thing of revelation.

Is anyone forcing you to tithe? Why blowing your steam here. Leave the thread if you are no longer in tune with my point of view. Or simply ignore me. What the bitterness?

aribisala0:

So called spiritual blessings accrue to Christians Muslims and non believers alike.
There is no evidence that those who believe in God are more blessed than those who do not believe . So titithing the does not come into.
How many Christians are in Japan,Korea ? They see quite blessed compared to us in NIgeria

More impportantly ,There IS NOT ONE SINGLE STATEMENT from Jesus in the bible to back this claim. So if Jesus did not talk about it it was not the most important thing to him

Jesus taught so many times and never NEVER taught anything about tithe

If you went through my post, you will see that I have addressed this claims you are making. Don't be in a hurry to read them. DONT ALSO BE IN A HURRY TO READ THE FOLLOWING:

Malachi 3:10 never limited tithing to financial/blessings alone. Tithing was done by revelation in early times, later, it was made a law in the mosaic law (old testament) thereby ushering in compulsion. But since grace has replaced law, tithing is NO LONGER by compulsion. It is by grace according to ones revelation of Gods word.

JESUS never condemned tithings, in fact, he validated it in Matthew 23:23 when he was criticising the religious leaders for paying attention to tithing ONLY and not to other "WEIGHTIER" matters like dispensing justice, compassion, etc.

"Weightier" means "more pressing or more important", which is to say that TITHING is important, but there are other MORE IMPORTANT issues.

aribisala0:


Evidence of Abraham practising tithing?
Moses

King David Killed a man and took his wife ONCE.

Is that the same as practising it

Abraham only gave a tenth on one occasion in his life and it was
not from his earnings or wealth

The fact that Jacob made a vow meant it was voluntary not a commandment

Christians can make voluntary contributions or vows even 50%

But that is very different from the doctrine of compulsion.

You claim of Abraham practising tithes is untrue.

Its there in the bible - TITHES. or does the word have another meaning? Abraham gave tithes (even for his unborn generation). But whether it was by compulsion is another thing entirely.

Abraham tithed, and it wasn't by compulsion. He did it by revelation.

Because you practise something once, and it favours you, don't you think I will practise MORE of it to be MORE favoured?

slimghost:


Stop lying mindlessly here. Abraham didn't practice tithe. He only have 10% of his spoils of war and even did it ONCE!
From the spoils of war and not his earning nor income.

Is that the tithe?

What is a tithe? One-tenth of ones substance. It doesn't have to be cash.

I know you are one those who despise tithing. Do you think ministers are called to be beggars? Almsgiving is NOT tithing.

lisimmo:


2. I agree absolutely with you on points 2 and 3

So since we have established that not paying tithe is not a sin then we can conclude that

1. There is no punishment or curse for not paying tithe
2. God can bless you even if you don't pay tithe. After all you didn't transgress
3. Tithing should be freewill and based on conviction not MANDATORY as we have today. If you doubt that tithing is mandatory today then let's discuss existing church practices and sermons with video and pics evidences.

Not every ministry preaches MANDATORY tithing. That said, tithing is like a seed from your substance being planted for more favours and blessings.

Tithing is DIFFERENT from alms giving. Ministers are NOT beggars or called to beg. Any atheist or muslim, etc can give to the poor and needy, but who takes care of Gods business? Its his true worshippers of course! Tithing secures the welfare of ministers and other ministerial projects.

lisimmo:



1. I disagree. Tithing doesn't guarantee God's blessings. Here are my points

Many advocates of tithing are of the belief that tithing is causal to blessing. This is untrue as we will see from the scriptures. They also use Abraham as their principal example of tithing. But let's analyse the scenario of Abraham.

1. Abram (as he was called then) received God's promise to be a great nation and be blessed BEFORE he gave tithes (Gen 12:1)
2. He received the promised land BEFORE he gave any tithe (Gen 12:7)
3. God defended Abram's wife before Pharaoh (Gen 12:17) BEFORE he gave any tithe
4. Abram was very rich in cattle, silver and gold BEFORE he gave any tithe (Gen 13:1)
5. God reaffirmed his promise to give the "promised" land to Abram BEFORE he gave tithes (Gen 13: 14-17)

6. After the aforementioned events, Abram gave tithes (Gen 14:20). The question however is: On what did Abram give tithe? He gave tithe on the spoils of war (Gen 14:16). Nowhere was it mentioned that Abram gave tithe on his personal belongings. He gave tithe only on the spoils of war. This meant that if he hadn't gone to war, he probably wouldn't have given any tithe at all (this is inferential).

7. God reappeared to Abram to assure him once again of his promises (Gen 15:1-10). This appearance wasn't as a result of giving tithes in any way.
8. God made a covenant with Abram about the promises (Gen 15:18). Again, this isn't as a consequence of giving tithes.
9. God reassurred Abram of his covenant and changed his name to Abraham (Gen 17:1-. Furthermore he stated explicitly the part of the covenant which Abram must fulfil: circumcision not giving tithes
10. God changed Sarai's name to Sarah and promised a son through her (Gen 17:15). Again, this isn't as a consequence of giving tithes.
11. God revealed his intimacy with and confidence in Abraham that he (Abraham) would teach his children the way of the Lord to do JUSTICE and JUDGEMENT (not giving tithes) Gen 18:19.

12. We are made to know that Abraham received all these things through FAITH IN GOD (Heb 11:8-19) not through giving tithes

We could also look at the lives of Isaac was blessed with no tithe record!

You can check the list of billionaires in the world and you'll see that a large portion are not even Christians let alone pay tithe.

Then check the list of the top 10 economies of the world, you'll see countries that have more atheist, fewer Christians than Nigeria, fewer churches than Nigeria hence fewer tithes dominate the list. Nigeria with all our tithes is no where to be found.

This is enough proof of the fact that tithes is not a guarantee to Gods blessing

With all the lengthy attempt you have made to prove your point, you still think tithing is ONLY about getting MATERIAL/FINANCIAL blessings from God?

Tithing guarantees Gods blessings in the sense that when you give him your token of what he has blessed you with no matter how little or how large, he multiplies the blessings that comes with it. This means, God blessing the FRUITS of whatever you lay your hands on to do. So no one is saying you shouldnt be diligent in your business.

That said, tithing is NOT all about getting financial/material blessings in return... It can be spiritual blessings or divine favours in all areas of ones life.

aribisala0:


Abraham only gave one tenth on ONE occasion out of plunder from war and the other 90 % he returned to the men who fought he kept nothing. He gave it voluntarily. This was not a case of Abraham giving a tenth of his earnings or wealth.

Some men captured his relative and took his property .Abraham went to battle against them. Recovered his relataive's property from him and also his men plundered the aggressors. On the way back they met a priest who prayed for them and they gave him tenth of the PLUNDER while the fighting men kept the rest .Abraham took nothing

It is dishonest to misrepresent this to mean Abraham had a practice of tithing. He DID NOT




Can you provide evidence of Jacob payying tithes

Abraham practised tithing, but not after the similitude of the mosaic laws and ordinances.

Same for for Jacob Genesis 28:20-22....He vowed to give his substance, raise a pillar and give his tithe, all to honour Gods blessings upon him.

lisimmo:


In Malachi, God cursed them for not remitting the full tithe. So it was a curse under the law of tithing. Jesus has redeemed us from the curse


Let me pose these questions to you:
1. Does giving tithes guarantee God's blessings?
2. Does giving tithe assures one of salvation?
3. Is not giving tithe a sin?

Wrong context. Wrong placement.

You are still quoting the tithe that was practised under the law. My point is that tithing existed BEFORE the law.

1. Yes it does, if done with the right understanding.
2. It has nothing to do with salvation or eternal security.
3. No it isn't.

If you follow my posts on the 16th and 17th thread, you will see that I have long addressd these questions with details even.